Penn and Teller - The Death Penalty Part 3

[BobSagetFanboi]

This is the first episode of Penn and Teller I didn't fully agree with. Abolishing the death penalty isn't smart, but the system does need a lot of fucking work.

[Clanki]

Your offered actually VERY little freedom dumbass >.> *talking to the idiot in the video at the end*

[planet1000]

8:40

Afforded more freedom than any place else? WHAT THE FUCK AM I HEARING?!?!?!

Stupid neocons.

[USMarineRifleman0311]

@planet1000

guy lost his daughter, show some fucking respect

[tyjet66]

This is the only episode of Bullshit that I personally disagree with. I know there are no facts backing up the death penalty and I don't care either way. Simply put, I personally don't believe that if someone did end another person's life without justification, (self defence, etc.) that they deserve to keep their own life.

I love this series, it really makes me think.

[SelfImmolator]

@tyjet66 how do you know whether they did end another person's life?

[tyjet66]

@SelfImmolator That is a great question. With how technology is advancing perhaps we will have the ability to read one's memories. As for now, we have video and picture proof, DNA proof, or even a huge accumulation of witnesses. In cases where it is merely speculated that they did kill someone, I don't think the death penalty should be used.

Thanks for not flaming me as it's nearly my opinion, cheers!

[galwitprifor001]

@tyjet66 So even if a person is innocent, if he or she is convicted to killing another person, because of prosecutorial misconduct, it is alright?

Look, nobody believes that murderers and their ilk should not be punished. I'm just saying that 1) We cannot guarentee that every single case is tried in a fair and balanced manner and 2) Since we are incapable as of yet of bringing a person from death, that we atleast be willing to have a moratorium on it.

[tyjet66]

@galwitprifor001 That why is I said, if we hand absolute proof of the killer being guilty, as in film or a confession, etc.

[Slik00Silk]

If I were king....LOL ....I would set up an escape proof reservation and throw all the murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and other violent animals in there and let them form their own society as they would have it. I would monitor the situation, and periodically send in some assassins to take out the top dogs (we can assume they are the most dangerous killers). The only cost would be for the security, some seed, and a few tools.

[BlueEyedSexyPants]

@Slik00Silk That's the plot of "Escape from New York."

[TwoHandedSledge]

Wow...You know, I love Penn and Teller, and I agree with 99.9 percent of what they say, but this apparently is where we differ. Okay, so you found ONE innocent man on death row. It is their argument that thousands of innocents are sent to the chair every day. You found one. Show me the others being put to death, and maybe I'll change my stance. Oh, and don't just ask the prisoner if he's innocent, because we all know (according to the prisoners) there isn't a single guilty man there.

[TwoHandedSledge]

Of course the black guy on the show is going to say it's a racial thing. Imagine that.

[skillcoiler]

The black ex cop got it right in the wrong way yes the way service was provided is different in his example but heres the thing take out white and black the difference is rich and poor end of story. The white black bs people keep bringing up is a smoke screen fact is rich people regardless of color have always had and will always have it better than poor its the same in every city state and country across the world.

[sonbuhitsunei]

"They're talking about killing a human being"...I'm sorry, but the guy who rapes and murders a fucking 2 year old and then wears their skin as a hat is NOT a human being. They're not even animals. They are pure scum.

[jymbo1969]

@sonbuhitsunei No, they're still humans. Sick, diseased pitiful and pitiable humans.

[22ness0hayden]

How many people really care if Stanley Tookie Williams is dead rather than serving life?

[BobSagetFanboi]

@22ness0hayden

I sure as hell don't. I'm not going to pretend I do.

[22ness0hayden]

I don't think anyone commits a crime while thinking about getting caught. Hmm better cross over the state line so I avoid the death penality?!?

[Slik00Silk]

I think this issue is trivial. Let's look at the numbers. Say that in ten years, one hundred innocent people die legally. How many innocent victims die in that same period from murderers? How many innocent people died from doctor fuck ups? How many died from pharmacist fuckups? How many died from unsafe consumer products? From drunk drivers? From industrial "accidents"? From parental abuse? From police abuse? "Possibly innocent" murderer the are a very small percentage of the #s! 

[PsychoticNeurotic]

@Slik00Silk That's like saying 'I'd be willing to watch 100 people I knew die to ensure one murderer died'.

[bcamara145]

I think if ur a murder u should be tortured everyday for the rest of ur miserable life... In stead of the death penalty.

[karlehamel]

More freedom in the US than any place else in the world.... WTF? This is exactly why we non-Americans in the rest of the civilized world think (I know it's not true, it's just a stereotype) you are all just ignorant, religious, stupid and xenophobic people.

[MouraVianna]

i can solve this paradox of the old woman

I support death penaltty for guilty people

I don't support death penalty for inoscent people

[Talvara]

@MouraVianna where do you find absolute certainty about a persons guilt though?

I began watching this with the idea that the deathpenalty can be justified. but the arguments presented on the show have changed my mind,

The failure of the deathpenalty as a deterrent.

and the fact that mistakes happen. Depending on your views on the sanctity of human life, we can't in good conscience afford mistakes, if we cant rule out mistakes, we can't allow the deathpenalty in our toolbox.

[MouraVianna]

@Talvara My point is-the only guilty people for that mistake are the incompetent people working in the case, not the society who wants death penalty for Guilty people.

I myself am against death penalty it solve absolutly nothing, I think the pain of the psycopaths or serial killers are way worse than the victym's, i'm just trying to say that believing in death penalty is not a Paradox

[Slik00Silk]

@MouraVianna Solves nothing??? It eliminates the possibility that the S.O.B. will kill again. It eliminates the possibility that the convicted killer will kill another human being; perhaps a guard, perhaps some other innocent if the scum manages to escape.

[MouraVianna]

@Slik00Silk scape from prison is extremly hard, you can kill as many criminal people you want they will never be extinct, you have to focus where really matter

Stop being so scared of everything, the world is a jungle, we are animals, you need to know how to defend yourself and you can evetually die, get used to it

[Slik00Silk]

@MouraVianna So why should I work to pay taxes to keep the murdering sunsabitches alive. A bullet or rope is much cheaper. Better yet, put them all in a cage and let em fight it out like the rats they have proved themselves to be. Oh yeah, toss in some congressmen and senators just so the murderers have someone to look down on.

[PsychoticNeurotic]

@Slik00Silk actually, the total costs of a single DP case resulting in the DP costs you 5x more in taxes than imprisoning them for life would. fact. sorry pal.

[Slik00Silk]

@PsychoticNeurotic You just tossed that "fact" out without substantiation. It is not true. I know for a fact that 20 murderers could be executed for under fifty bucks: the price of a box of 30-06 shells. I say that once we are absolutely convinced that they are guilty of murder, it is time to send them to join their victim(s), the sooner, the better.

[PsychoticNeurotic]

@Slik00Silk Well, these YouTube comments are word-limited! - but you're right to question my sources: The California Commission for the Fair Administration of Justice puts the DP yearly upkeep at $137 million. A non-DP system would cost $11.5 million. So, really, it's over 10x more for you in taxes.

Also, I'm not silly enough to believe that a lifetime incarceration costs less than one bullet. But you specify that we need to be 'absolutely convinced' of guilt - that's where the fees originate.

[jymbo1969]

@Slik00Silk "'An eye for an eye' is the basest of human emotions." Or didn't you watch the video?

[celticsfanization]

There should be undeniable proof of the crime if the person is executed.

[crabmanAK]

During World war 1 hundreds maybe thousand of allie sholuders were shot by firing squad for corwardice. We now know about shellshock and post tromatic stress. A contry thatuse the death penalty during peace times will use it even more during war. In war due procedure goes out the window. Ie if u support the death penalty who give the oppourtnity for poeple to expand it to other crimes that arnt realy crimes be a shitbag aint a crime!!!

[bradjbourgeois73]

Religion, low IQ and violence seem to go hand in hand.

[MrJabloney]

@bradjbourgeois73 I read an article years ago which stated that violent criminals,on average,have higher IQs than the average person and that about 50% of them have no religious affiliations of any kind.

[bradjbourgeois73]

@MrJabloney I think that is for serial killers, which are extremely rare. The average run of the mill violent criminals are religious. Our prisons stats show that without a doubt.

[MrJabloney]

@bradjbourgeois73 I've worked in prisons for eight years.The inmates can sometimes be assholes but most aren't religious.Let me reword that.They can be religious if they think it will get them the sympathy of the parole board.Some become "true believers" but most only continue the lifestyle of subtle manipulations that they enjoyed before they were arrested.The less intelligent inmates are easy to control.Its the smart ones that keep us on our toes.

[bradjbourgeois73]

@MrJabloney Well, I don't think anybody really believes any of it, lol. Everybody uses religion the same way!

[MrJabloney]

@bradjbourgeois73 There are people in the world who are murdered because they won't back down from their religious beliefs.I'd say that they really believe it.Also,keep in mind that many of the religious say that aheists, deep down, actually believe in god but are just too angry and bullheaded to admit it.I find that the people on both sides of the arguement accuse each other of the same things.Thats why I rarely share any of my own perspectives on the existence of a higher power.

[bradjbourgeois73]

@MrJabloney Good point, lol. So many just seem so insincere though.

[MrJabloney]

@bradjbourgeois73 They seem especially insincere when they tell you that they love all of gods children, then ask you for money.

[biggunsnstuff]

wow they really are bringing race into this?

[mexicanmayhem88]

Death row gives murderers access to top notch medical, the kind I nor anyone else I know, could afford because let's face it you can't exicute a sick man,and the person on death row has the right ao appeal, which can take years and cost thousands of dollars. Personally I'm ok with keeping someone locked up for the rest of their natural life. There's less risk of killing an innocent person, it costs a lot less tax dollars and it gets dangerous people off the streets

[datpakiman54]

Troy Davidson.

[basioh1818]

Whaha, I don't completely agree with Penn on this one, but the argument he made 8:33 and especially the way he put it was great!

[GryffinDarkBreed]

I agree with the death penalty, but perhaps they should be retried immediately prior to the execution? To apply modern science to evidence collected 20 years ago. If there isn't enough evidence to prove that the man on death row was the culprit beyond any doubt in the minds of a fresh jury, then the prisoner shouldn't be executed, and should be allowed to reargue his case.

However if there is no possible way we have an innocent man, such as the case with Jeffery Dahmer...

[daemonowner]

@GryffinDarkBreed I agree with a reasonable application of the death penalty, and I don't agree with how really any country is applying it. We should up the bar of evidence far higher and take extra precautions to stop the murdering of innocent people as much as possible, but because some slip through the cracks - even if less do with a higher burden of proof - does not mean the death penalty should be stopped. We send innocent people to jail after all, and that's just the price we/they pay.

[GryffinDarkBreed]

@daemonowner However there are some people who are not only horribly guilty, but are FAR beyond rehabilitation, like Charley Manson, who should have a fucking EXPRESS LANE to the firing squad. Like right after he was declared guilty.

[daemonowner]

@GryffinDarkBreed This raises an interesting question, what about insanity? Should we impose the death penalty on someone who is clinically insane, and why? I don't really have a position on this, I need to think about it some more, but I know that it's a common objection to the death penalty.

I found that I haven't thought about so much relating to the death penalty that I'm looking around for other peoples perspectives on these issues and questions, which is how I found this.

[atomicmrpelly]

@GryffinDarkBreed But where do you draw the line? And why do you think that is justified? "If you take a life when a life has been taken, that's revenge not justice."

Like Penn says let him sit behind bars for the rest of his life thinking about it.

[GryffinDarkBreed]

@atomicmrpelly Sure, while the people pay to give the fucker a free roof and food when we have starving homeless people? Fuck that.

[atomicmrpelly]

@GryffinDarkBreed Killing somebody costs a lot more than keeping them in prison, and in America paying for prisoners is the last of your worries: the prisoners are used basically as slave labour making licence plates and stuff.

[daPlumber702]

Just like Manson and just like anyone that kills in cold blood because it suits them. I don't know if the gov. should be the one doing the murdering or if it should just be "fate" but I don't side with anyone that I saw arguing against it in this video... nor do I side with those arguing for it.

[daemonowner]

@daPlumber702 BullShit isn't known for it's scholarly approach...

[daPlumber702]

My biggest problem with the people arguing against the death penalty is they find it far to easy to overlook what those that are guilty are there for. Stanley Williams was a murdering, no good bastard. Children's books or no children's books. And even though there is a mountain of evidence saying otherwise he refused to apologize for the acts that put him on death row in the first place. he deserved to be murdered.

[deathofsmokey]

Any risk of putting innocent people to death is unacceptable. Completely. If one person in the world is put to death and we already know they have been, then you throw the whole fucking thing out. This is one of the best episodes of Bullshit.

[willtheoct]

"if you support the death penalty and one innocent person dies, you deserve to die".

THEREFORE,

"if you support prison, and one person is wrongly convicted, then you deserve to go to prison."

that is the paradox of the lady who calls things paradoxes but doesnt know what "paradox" even means.

[deathofsmokey]

@willtheoct

She was making a pretty clear point. If you say I'll kill you if you kill innocent people, and then kill an innocent person, then under your own philosophy - you deserve to die. I support that idea. The guy who best represents my opinion is the guy who was on death row and was innocent and nearly put to death. You cannot trust the government to execute only the guilty with a 100% success rate, so you cannot trust the government to execute anyone.

[mrgabest]

Some of the arguments presented on this show do no justice to the hosts. The clearest example is the suggestion that executing a prisoner makes the people involved (by implication, everyone in the society) murderers. Murder is a word we use to describe killing that we disapprove of. It's a flavor of killing, if you will. If you approve of it, it's not murder. If you don't, it is. Continuing the discussion as though murder and killing are exact synonyms is disingenuous at best.

[Soulsphere001]

@mrgabest

One interesting thought it what makes something murder instead of killing? If I were to join the Canadian military and kill someone in another country, I would be considered a murderer in that country but in Canada I probably wouldn't be considered a murderer.

[deathofsmokey]

@mrgabest

If you kill an innocent person, it's murder. If you execute an innocent person, it's murder. You are defining murder completely incorrectly. Murder is a flavor of killing, you're right, but it's defined by law as being "committed with malice aforethought, characterised by deliberation or premeditation" - the death penalty absolutely fits that bill. I have the practical approach to this, but even the guilty people killed by the death penalty are technically being murdered.

[camshaftgsxr13]

The entire argument against the death penalty balances on the end of a pin, it assumes life is some how sacred or precious. So unless you don't eat plants or animals you agree life isn't sacred and precious, it's just life. This is the first time I've seen Penn and teller run with a presupposition like that, and while I disagree, I do respect the argument made.

[acdclandon1]

@camshaftgsxr13 That's pretty easy to combat. Human life. I agree with Penn's assessment that the State should not have the ability to kill their own citizens. In any situation.

[P0weredByPie]

I don't get the guy's logic: he sounds like he's saying "with extraordinary freedom comes extraordinary repercussion."

Doubleplusbad. The Ministry of Truth should clarify.

Being acquainted with how the U.S. goes about its business makes me grateful to live in a FREE country that has abolished the death penalty, has equality of marriage, gun control, and universal health care. The quality of life, longevity, and happiness of our citizens outranks the U.S. in every study. This is a damn shame.

[mike112769]

This is only the 2nd time I've really, totally disagreed with any of their shows. I hate WalMart with a passion.

[mike112769]

If anyone were to do to my child what was done to Polly Klaas, the government would not get the chance to kill them. I would do it myself. I can almost guarantee Penn or Teller would do the same if someone brutally raped and killed their children. Some people are born stupid, and some people just need killing. I do agree that there should be more accountablity on the part of the prosecutors. The first time they convict an innocent man, they should be jalied and disbarred.

[deluxeaction]

That comment about Shaft is pretty damn racist. Would he ever make that comment if it wasn't a black person walking down the street?

Still I agree that being pro death penatly is being pro killing, and if you are, you need to be very careful with that information, certain types of people are pro-killing and you don't want to be in their camp

[someoneiswakingup]

you never realize how bias this show is until you disagree with penn haha

[GreyLabyrinthine]

I would like to see the follow-up video with aaaall those "innocent people may be killed/innocent people are on death row/we're all murderers"-guys and gals... talking to Mr Klaas. Only to him. Not to the statistics-say- guy, not to the it-happens-less-often-than-you­-think- guy. *That* would be an exchange I'd want to see.

[RBNightlinger]

Charles Manson's been in prison since 1969. How many tax dollars have been spent on keeping his crazy, murdering ass alive? But maybe that's too pragmatic a question. How about this... Instead of him sitting in an air conditioned cell with cable TV, throw irons on him and put him on a chain gang.  At least he'd be earning his keep.

[mordinvan]

Why would accidentally killing an innocent person when good evidence showed him likely guilty make you as culpable for murder as knowingly killing an innocent person, when there was no conceivably moral reason to do so? This is an interesting game of equivocation, and I'm going to fittingly enough call 'bullshit'.

[ginjaninja1988]

If you get rid of the death penalty just dont go the opposite. Here in New Zealand first degree murder will maybe get 11 years in jail. Not kidding they walk and usually commit other crimes. Ontop of that they were usually released on bail for other violent crimes before they murdered. Its just mental and Kiwis mostly want life in prision to mean life.

[castigadormapuche1]

well mister prosecutor maybe there is not a so high possiblitiy of executing innocent people but it still exist and there still a risk!!!

[SuperSpaceMaster]

The argument that the CIA, for example, wants people alive so they can tell us things may fall apart in the future. If we develop the ability to connect a person's brain to a computer and read it, why keep a dangerous terrorist alive after doing so?

[wrjamescom]

The argument that an innocent person might be wrongly convicted applies to all punishment, the death penalty is irrelevant to it. Should we never punish anyone in case of a wrongful conviction? It's a silly argument.

[TheAtheistSwede]

I've always wondered what I could do in America that I can't do here in Sweden. What exactly are those "extraordinary liberties" that fucktard is talking about?

[MRFLOPPYmr]

@TheAtheistSwede the difference to sweden or germany where i come from is that we dont have the right to buy fully automatic combat rifles or shotguns for private use ....

[TheAtheistSwede]

@MRFLOPPYmr Aah, yes. There's that hehe.

Shit - now I feel all repressed.

[TheEndKing]

@TheAtheistSwede: Hey man, can't be a RoboCop or Rambo fan without getting the hardware too, right? Booya.

[Alexsuper15]

@TheAtheistSwede

Dude he lost his child was murdered and raped...

This thing i dont get... people get compassionate about the criminals but they forget the victims.

[jymbo1969]

@Alexsuper15 No one forgets the victims, you idiot. It's that the perps are forgotten. They're human beings and deserve human rights simply for being human. That's what "human rights" means. It's only when we try to redefine "human" to exclude certain humans that state-sanctioned murder becomes possible (eg. the Nazi and Bolshevik death camps). Murder is wrong... always.

[TwoHandedSledge]

@jymbo1969 I'm guessing you've never had a daughter that was kidnapped, brutally raped, tortured, & then brutally murdered, huh? It's so easy for all of you fucking tree hugging twatsticks to sit back and preach this "killing is wrong" bullshit, but if the shoe was on the other foot, I'd bet money you'd walk a different path. If that were my daughter, I'd want to inject the fucking needles myself. Call me blood thirsty, call me vengeful, call me an animal ...or just call me human.

[jymbo1969]

@TwoHandedSledge You are a human, and so are those on death row. Humans are animals: apes, in fact. Also I am no tree hugger. I just maintain my philosophy in all aspects of my life. When my humanism puts me in difficult moral ground, I don't stop being a humanist. And your assertions that these humans are not human is not an argument. And if you don't know that blacks are much more likely to end up on death row than a white who commits the same crime, you are a fool.

[TwoHandedSledge]

@jymbo1969 Oh and one more thing. "It's that the perps are forgotten." YES, they're fucking forgotten. Fuck them. You are telling me they deserve compassion, after they brutally rape, torture and murder children? The fucking hell they do. Anyone that could do that, and not feel a bit of remorse doesn't deserve to have human rights, because quite frankly any human that can do something like that isn't HUMAN. He doesn't deserve to play poker w/ his prison buddies, he deserves to fucking die

[LancePoint9]

@TheAtheistSwede We're free to pay too much for education, health care, and national security while learning less, dying sooner, and feeling more fearful. And then we're more free to buy overpriced pharmaceuticals to handle our growing waist lines and depression while sitting in front of the tv and thinking about death. And then there is American political ads sponsored by the corporations which want us consuming ideas at federally approved levels of bullshit;. Hope this helps.

[deluxeaction]

@TheAtheistSwede I don't know if you watched the earlier parts of this, the fucktard in question lost his daughter in about the most horrible way a parent can suffer. If his arguments seem off or unbalanced its because his brain is broken and you can give him a break for it. It doesn't make his opinions correct, it just makes you sympathize with his reasons for them

[LutzDerLurch]

@TheAtheistSwede I presume the Liberty to consider your own shitty Nation the ultimate and best one in the World andthe liberty to not care about the rest of the world, along with the liberty to feel entitled to apecial right because your Gods favourite people...

[daemonowner]

@TheAtheistSwede Free speech to say anything, maybe? Aren't Europeans trying to pass laws that stop criticism of religion?

[Thetarget1]

@TheAtheistSwede Probably the liberty to die from starvation when you cannot find a job.

[grantcivyt]

@TheAtheistSwede I've never been to Sweden, but I would love to. I understand it's beautiful and so are its people. Still, I can tell you that among the freedoms is getting to decide what to do with the extra 200 of every 1000 SEK that you earn (on average).

You could eat your favorite food, you could buy your girl a gift, or you could write a check to your government. I think that would be a nice liberty.

[jymbo1969]

@TheAtheistSwede I'm an American ex-pat living in Australia, and there are no freedoms an American possesses that an Aussie does not (except the "freedom" from health care, and the basic necessities of life).

[Woolfieman]

The old lady has a wonderful accent.

[AntiMTVMovement]

Dudley Sharp will do anything to make EVERYBODY see that the death penalty is the answer. He goes #3 to it.

[VampiresBiteHard666]

i am against the death penalty and i will NEVER EVER SUPPORT IT

[DarkMind95]

The why theres so much black people getting death penalties in U.S. -> Racism, history -> Slums -> Criminals -> death penalty. The racism in U.S history still affects the present day black people -> Their parents -> bad education (gets downwards due racism) -> bad jobs -> slum areas -> more criminals.

Now don't get offended by this, I'm just talking about the fact that there are almoust as many black criminals as there are white (maybe even more. the fuck I know) and there must be a reason ???

[nopolysix]

When you get the death penalty it usually takes 25 years before you are actually put to death. At that time you are no longer a person and death is just a relief to most inmates. Death penalty is not societys revenge to criminals. It´s just a very expencive way of keeping criminals indoors.

[mongolikejazz]

Good thought provoking film. That's what I like about the show. It makes you think. Funny thing is, most conservatives who support the death penalty are vehemently against abortion rights. And liberals who are against the death penalty fervently support abortion, which is in a way, population control.

The statement that we're all killers...technically true. If you've ever stepped on a bug, swatted a fly or shot a bird with a bb gun, you are a killer. Depends on society's value of the victim

[SSTTEEAALLTTHH]

@mongolikejazz

Abortion is population control? Euhm no? Last time I checked, abortions weren't mandated. No one is forcing abortions upon people. Liberals advocate a choice, not an obligation to abortion.

[EpicSuccuss]

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. ~Abraham Lincoln

[topster888]

We're all murderers if a single innocent person is killed?

Something tells me this lady doesn't know much about law

[inkedful]

@topster888 Maybe more about ethics, yes?

[NittenOAC]

@topster888 However she seem to have a better grasp of ethics then you.

[TaylorBlostfire]

Thanks for the upload, love ya.

[ViperRob42]

I didn't really notice the video sync problem that much lol, great episode though thanks for zee upload, and I hope somewhere in the various arguments ppl make in comments there is something we can learn from eachother, not just face a wall and fire back at someone but actually listen & understand there points and make them get yours

[shitpickle1128]

well the whole innocent people in death row is not rlly death rows fault but the justice system pure scumbags deserve to die

[Pemx99]

@shitpickle1128 i couldent have sed it better myself

[deadapostle]

By "we all killed Stanley Tookie Williams" I assume they mean California citizens. I lived in NY at the time and the death penalty was declared unconstitutional there.

[gulbirk]

hahahyaha. I die of laughter when people seriously think that they have so much freedom in the USA. you have NO MORE FREEDOM THEN MOST OF THE WESTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.

[Jaydoggy531]

@gulbirk

Does it feel good to gawk? I pity you. In the USA, there is freedom of speech, no limit at all. Something I find a most valuable treasure. In western European countries, you can be fined for saying something someone finds "offensive." Case-dependent, of course, but such a thing is inconceivable to me that speech could be limited. If you lose just a little of free speech, there's bound to be more to follow. Watch your elected officials - don't let them take more from you.

[gulbirk]

@Jaydoggy531 THEY arent the ones taking anything. The people who made restrictions are those who complain. Dont make it seem like the goverment is involved in it, thats BS.

No, actually we can say pretty much what we want here, even if people find it offensive.

[Austyn0827]

Better, but same problems.

[CrystalEye736]

@Austyn0827 I know, my apologies. I'm working off Windows MovieMaker and it keeps doing that to my video clips even at its best quality

[Keim4ever]

At 7:44 the guy has an A on his shirt.

[pashaahsj]

@Keim4ever yep, that's a microphone :P