to what ive' seen i think anne of cleeves was d most succesful wife of all d 6 wives for she was ttreated fairly even though the annulment was so humiliating
jane was impatient to become queen/ She was the less innocent of all the wives. But paid the prize for that by her own destiny....and her son too! No prosperity for a very bad person....her wedding was just 10 days after the execution of 5 innocents men and queen anne! But all that bloody didn't hurt her very much.
Poor young lady !! she was innocent and sweet . she was a victim of the ambitious of the royalty and even from her parents!!...Lady Jane I'm sure you are now in the glory of God.
Actually, Anne of Cleves was the most successful. Married to Henry only six months, likely did not have sex with him, was probably not around him for much of the time, then gets a nice settlement following the divorce, living in luxury for the next 17 years (outliving Henry by 10 years, and even outliving Catherine Parr by 9 years).
Actually during Edwards reign she hit hard times, she had to write to her brother the Duke of Cleves asking for money to pay her servants. But Yes , I agree Anne of Cleves got a good deal.
I always wondered about that. I do know there was a serious economic downturn during Edward's reign, and corners were being cut everywhere, and I suppose Anne's settlement was no exception. Edward was a strange sort who became hostile to those around him: aside from ordering the executions of his two uncles, he ignored Anne's pleas for assistance, persecuted Mary for her religious leanings, and then sought to disinherit both her and Elizabeth from the throne.
Well, by this time, Cleves was not as important politically to England, and besides, Anne's brother was none too happy about the divorce from Henry, and was even more upset about Anne's desire to remain in England. As a result, any connections between England and Cleves may have been all but dead by the 1550s.
In a sense, the Duke of Cleves was caught between a rock and a hard place. He never cared for the Holy Roman Empire due to his Protestant leanings, and now there was this rift with England due to the failed Anne of Cleves marriage. France could have been an outlet (despite being a Catholic country, it too despised the HRE), but Cleves always knew that France had territorial designs upon it. So where could one go?
Also, I believe her brother the Duke was dead by that point, but Anne converted to Catholicism shortly before she died during the reign of Mary I. Whether this was purely for self-preservation, I cannot say, but Mary had always liked Anne despite her Protestantism, and unlike Catherine Parr, Anne was hardly a religious rabble rouser. At any rate, the Duke would not have approved of this, either!
You would think that Edward being a fanaticalprotestant would try to keep Anne in a good state as to keep on good terms with Cleves, Then again her letters to home were probably proof read like in Henry's reign.
but you have to admit, if Henry wasn't the jerk he was, Anne Boleyn would have never hooked up with him; Elizabeth I never would have existed; the protestant movement would have most likely never happened; and who knows what other repercussions it might have had.
It was not all entirely Annes fault that Catherine was divorced, Henry was a horribile beast of a man who went after what hewanted no matter what the cost. Keep in mind, Anne never wanted to marry the King she wanted Henry Percy..
And Jane was never kind to Elizabeth, Yes she helped Mary a lot but acted as though elizabeth did not exist.
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There was no evidence Jane was unkind to Elizabeth either. Royal children were kept in separate houses then and like all of them, Elizabeth had her own house. Jane spent most of her time (1 year) as queen locked up and pregnant. We shouldn't judge her.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems you have a great problem with the Catholic faith. I myself am Lutheran, not Catholic but I realize that corruption and abuses go on within almost every faith, to accuse simply the Catholic faith of being array is disregarding many of the protestant faith's many scandals.
Also, only the bad churches make the news, you never hear about the faithful and true churches that have conducted themselves in the proper ways. Just keep in that in mind.
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You're giving Anne credit for the Reformation? The only part she played in the reformation was that her presence sped it up, it was going to happen in England sooner or later, with or without AB.
If KoA and Mary remained in their rightful places, there would not be mass murders of peoples of the protestant faith and others, look at the current Catholic nations, they certainly do not kill protestants, nor do they attend mass daily or speak only in latin.
I just want to say that I like Jane now! Well, not like, but I think she was smarter than I gave her credit for! She after all did a lot of good for Mary- whom I don't like, but I think it was still a good thing to do! And she was very brave to interfere in politics after what happened to Catherine and Anne.
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actually jane was intelligent! she wasnt as intelligent as katherine of aragon or anne boleyn, but at least she used common sense after seeing wat happened to anne and kept her mouth shut...so she actually was quite an intelligent woman
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jane was not a bitch! she had nothing to do with anne boleyn's downfall...that was all henry and anne's enemies at court's doing, not jane's, jst cos henry fell in love with her, yuu cant be mad at her for that. plus anne was EVIL to katherine and mary, at least jane was kind to both mary and elizabeth, so actually, anne boleyn was the bitch!
No offence, but I was never really interested in Jane Seymour. hers was one of the more "quiet" stories... I mean, she WAS the only one to give a male heir, who later became king and made the succession to the throne seriously retarted (which ended up having Lady Jane Grey killed in little over a week after she became queen.) The thing aabout her that interested me the most was the what could of happened if she haden't died so suddenly after giving birth to Edward.
I agree that Jane has one of the quieter stories, I guess all wives can't be that exciting and some have to be different. I think it is tragic that she died after her baby was born.
Poor anne i mean atleast anne boleyn had the sense to fight with henry jane seymour was remembered as quite and meek....she and henry were married only 10 DAYS after ANNES EXICUTION like thats just crule marring sumbody 10 days after he killed his previous wife...seems pretty sluttish to me but thats my own oppinin,..no afense to jane seymour fans*
I agree that it is cruel, but I don't think Jane had any say as to what her wedding date would be- the decision was all Henry's and he couldn't wait to be rid of Anne. The hasty maraige was Henry's doing, not Jane's.
Anne Boleyn is my fave but Jane was the successful wife. Gave a son, was submissive to the King, died just in time and he chose to be buried by her side. And Jane did not have to wait long to be Queen: she got in less than a year what Anne got in almost seven years.
Jane WAS successful. At least, her success was based on what the definition of 'wife' was at that time- during the 16th century a wife's duty was to bear a son, which Jane did. How can you not say that Jane was successful when women actually died trying to birth a son, or were even put to death (like Anne) for not being able to?
I was hoping they would get Miranda Otto (Eowyn of Rohan LOTR: THe Two Towers) to play Jane but we'll have to wait & see who they get If she shows up mid season why isnt she in any trailers?
The actress portraying Jane Seymour is an Icelandic actress named Anita Briem. According to the IDBM website, she is expected to make an appearance in the later episodes of the 2nd season. In addition, Michael Hirst reported that Jane Seymour will be beautiful, complex, with ice in her veins. That's all I have heard of her for now. Check out the IDBM website for further info, or check out showtime's website. I hope this was a help.
thank you, I visited sho. com shes not in the cast list The icy veins I like A Cold yin to Anne's red hot yang but beautiful?!? Jane had nice features like pale skin blue eyes and blond hair but she wasnt even pretty nevermind beautiful Oh well we'll see how it all turns out
That's a very interesting view of Jane Seymour. I don't think she really was very complex. But I like how justlooking put it- a cold yin to Anne's hot yang
I think Jane was a Fascinating women. She may not have been beautiful of pretty but she did have pretty features. Her blue, eyes, straberryblond hair, and fair milky skin.
Well yes she did keep his love till the end - but he was with her for a very short time before she died, likely long enough for him to stray, really (not anything serious anyway) and then she dies giving him the one thing he craved more than anything - so in her death, she was almost martyred in his eyes.
Jane is my least favorite of King Henry's wives. I dislike how everyone praised Jane and loved her and called her nice and gentle and sweet, but if she was really like this how could she help kill Anne? Jane couldn't even read or write anything but her name!
My sentiments exactly! The only reason why everyone loved Jane (at that time) was because she was the only one who gave birth to the desired son. She just got lucky regarding that. Another reason was because she was a product of the time- mainly, an obedient maid.
My guess is that today, we all know the real truth- Anne Boleyn WAS innocent of the made-up charges against her. If Anne was really guilty of anything, she was guilty of not being able to conceive a male heir for Henry. In addition, I think Anne Boleyn was ahead of the time-she was real educated, sophisticated, fascinating. And if it wasn't for her, England's greatest monarch would not have been born.
oh my gosh! I can't believe someone gave your comment a -1, love3! I can't believe Jane has fans! I mean- who could like someone with a lower IQ than Beavis and Butthead?
just because she acted quiet doesn't mean she wasn't smart... she was smart enough to only rouse the king's anger once. he never tired of her in two years. she was also smart enough to catch him and to pursaude him to reconcile with his daughters. she wasn't thick at all, but a good actress
I read somewhere she could only just about write her own name :S
To be honest the only reason she was successful was because she bore him a son, had edward been a girl im 100% certain she would have gone the same way as catherine and anne
I agree Jane was a successful wife for Henry and became a saint in his eyes for bearing him Edward, but unfortunatly a lot of people will always remember her for being basically a homewrecker who had a lot of influence in having Anne Boleyn killed.
I believe Jane Seymour would have suffered the same fate as Henry's earlier wives if she had not produced a son-or at least been divorced like Anne of Cleves.
I think Anne Boleyn has the rather stronger memory in the popular mind as a homewrecker. Jane has often been portrayed as rather meek, and mild-and as some believe Anne's 'marriage' to Henry was not valid due to the fact that it occurred while Catherine of Aragon lived-there wasn't much of a home to wreck. Anyway the true homewrecker imo was Henry VIII himself imo-he literally destroyed lives to get his way-including his closest family members. The man was just wicked imo.
If you read something recent on the Tudor Era(NOT Alison Weir), such as David Loades, you will learnt that in fact Anne had very little to do with the treatment of Katherine and Mary. That little bit, which has been circulating the universe for like 500 years, is, as Josephine Tey would say, "tonypandy"
"the good she did as queen was indescribable" the wonder of the universe the human body nature these things are indescribable What does Loades know that Starkey & Wier dont? Again Genius & high Ambition dont lend themselves easily to compassion Katherine & Mary were the enemy & this was war! All the good that happened is because of Anne & all the bad is because of Henry Is that really that black & white? Name 1 thing you don't like about Anne
Of course she was She was committed to religious reforms a keen politician & sparkling intellectual She was elegant & chic But she had no compassion 4 the Queen or the Princess Anne knew she was playing a dangerous game & prophesied that her royal career could end in death but It never occurred to her that she might one day find herself & her child in the same terrible position as discarded wife and bastard daughter
She could've petitioned her Nephew the Emperor to invade England but she had compassion on her subjects & now that I think about KoA had nothing to gain from burning heratics (unlike her parents & the weathly conversos)Mary unfortunately wanted revenge
you know what, i feel sorry for Mary and Elizabeth but, all in all those girls were spoiled like hell, when their mothers were out of favor, they lost the favor their mother gave them, as for Mary, Henry was going to restore her old lifestyle if she agreed, and Elizabeth didnt have any thing going on for her after her mothers death, she was forgotton but not trashed
That Mary hated Ptotestants had nothing to do with her mother. The reason was her father! because of him and his new church she had to deny her catholic faith! The protestant church was the reason that she became a bastard! And because of that she hated the protestants...
And Elizabeth, yes, she was a good Queen, but what she did with Mary Stuart was also bad!
we seem to have forgotten this video was about Jane Seymour. Jane, I do not think was noticable at all, but I still feel kind of bad for her. I think Henry would have found some excuse for getting rid of her too if she'd lived.
After Edward she was secure Now if Edward was born Edna Janes ProCatholic agenda already laid the groundwork 4 a charge of treason but she could have sons, knew when to shut up & gave Henry his freedom to roam She would have gone the distance
then again, maybe not. Henry was going mad, and he still could have found some way to get rid of her- like look what he did with Katherine Parr. By the time of his death, he hated both Catholics AND Protestants.
Parr didnt have a son why would he act against the mother of his son or the validity of thier marriage He would never make Edward a bastard He was wakko but he could be reasoned with thats how Parr survived by playing the gender card
Then why didnt he have Parr tried & executed for treason By the end He was mad but also exhausted Had Jane had lived & been a faithful wife he would have appreciated her like he came 2 appreciate Parr b4 he met his end
Katharine a saint? Give me a break! If she had lived, I could see her gleefully roasting Protestants. And psychoange, don't find an excuse for that. I'd have been dead1
Anne Boleyn will crush Katharine of Aragon any day. Katharine was mother of one of England's worst rulers, Anne was mother of one of its best! Besides, I blame Katharine for teaching Mary to hate Protestants.
yeah, I wasn't thinking correctly. In the end, no one is to blame for Mary's actions but Mary. The real reason I don't like Aragon is she's my polar opposite- I identify more with the ambition and wit of Anne Boleyn. As for Jane- I just feel bad for her.
If Anne Boleyn was a whore who deserved everything she got, then the same is true with Jane. Jane did nothing Anne Boleyn didn't do plus she urged Henry to kill her. And she was such a boring bitch no one even cared when she died.
Anne Boleyn was an intelligent, charming, accomplished, and by all accounts a fascinating person , whereas Mistress Seymour was a dullard. Jane Seymour, by far , is my leas tfavorite of his wives
well, the whole realm did mourn when Jane died, but that's only because she had a son. It's funny how years later Anne Boleyn is more admired, and Jane is hated.
Anne Boleyn will crush her anyday. Jane was the mother of a King for eight years , Anne Boleyn was the mother of a Queen for forty, so take that, because she was not guilty of anything and i bet you that haunted King Henry for the rest of his life!
Even if he didn't, that doesn't make her a whore who got exactly what she got. It just means she wanted to go somewhere with her life and the only way a woman could do that was in marraige in those days.
that is very very true. so sad that that was the only way women could do anything. And it makes Anne remarkable for even telling her father no at first
I would tend to agree with you on that. BTW I love all these videos on Henry VII's wives BTW by YeOLdeTune. Wonderful music and imagery. THank you very much.
That's true. Supposedly sweet and kind Jane needed a murder to achieve the crown. She may have been a ninny but she watched an innocent woman die and went to her throne through Anne's blood.
to what ive' seen i think anne of cleeves was d most succesful wife of all d 6 wives for she was ttreated fairly even though the annulment was so humiliating
MultiChechebureche 2 months ago
jane was the most sucessful of henry's wifes but she paid a great price for it!
TheAngzl1 1 year ago
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The most successful!...She was just a belly for henri! and did perfectly the job.
verobinful 1 year ago
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jane was impatient to become queen/ She was the less innocent of all the wives. But paid the prize for that by her own destiny....and her son too! No prosperity for a very bad person....her wedding was just 10 days after the execution of 5 innocents men and queen anne! But all that bloody didn't hurt her very much.
verobinful 1 year ago
Poor young lady !! she was innocent and sweet . she was a victim of the ambitious of the royalty and even from her parents!!...Lady Jane I'm sure you are now in the glory of God.
danielitaiyta 1 year ago 6
Actually, Anne of Cleves was the most successful. Married to Henry only six months, likely did not have sex with him, was probably not around him for much of the time, then gets a nice settlement following the divorce, living in luxury for the next 17 years (outliving Henry by 10 years, and even outliving Catherine Parr by 9 years).
ligreekguy 1 year ago
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Actually during Edwards reign she hit hard times, she had to write to her brother the Duke of Cleves asking for money to pay her servants. But Yes , I agree Anne of Cleves got a good deal.
MutatioAesa 1 year ago
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I always wondered about that. I do know there was a serious economic downturn during Edward's reign, and corners were being cut everywhere, and I suppose Anne's settlement was no exception. Edward was a strange sort who became hostile to those around him: aside from ordering the executions of his two uncles, he ignored Anne's pleas for assistance, persecuted Mary for her religious leanings, and then sought to disinherit both her and Elizabeth from the throne.
ligreekguy 1 year ago
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You'd think Edward being the fanatical protestant would keep Anne in a good state as not to cause tension between Cleves, dont you think?
MutatioAesa 1 year ago
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Well, by this time, Cleves was not as important politically to England, and besides, Anne's brother was none too happy about the divorce from Henry, and was even more upset about Anne's desire to remain in England. As a result, any connections between England and Cleves may have been all but dead by the 1550s.
ligreekguy 1 year ago
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True, Im suprised the two went involved in diplomatic fueds.
MutatioAesa 1 year ago
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In a sense, the Duke of Cleves was caught between a rock and a hard place. He never cared for the Holy Roman Empire due to his Protestant leanings, and now there was this rift with England due to the failed Anne of Cleves marriage. France could have been an outlet (despite being a Catholic country, it too despised the HRE), but Cleves always knew that France had territorial designs upon it. So where could one go?
ligreekguy 1 year ago
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And I suppose being a protestant state on a largely Catholic continent would have caused enough problems, let alone fueding with England.
MutatioAesa 1 year ago
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An understatement!
ligreekguy 1 year ago
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Also, I believe her brother the Duke was dead by that point, but Anne converted to Catholicism shortly before she died during the reign of Mary I. Whether this was purely for self-preservation, I cannot say, but Mary had always liked Anne despite her Protestantism, and unlike Catherine Parr, Anne was hardly a religious rabble rouser. At any rate, the Duke would not have approved of this, either!
ligreekguy 1 year ago
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Haha I think not!
MutatioAesa 1 year ago
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And actually the duke lived til 1592.
MutatioAesa 1 year ago
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Really! Certainly a very old man for that time.
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@ligreekguy Haha yes, old geezers were not common back then, but there were a few.
MutatioAesa 1 year ago
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You would think that Edward being a fanaticalprotestant would try to keep Anne in a good state as to keep on good terms with Cleves, Then again her letters to home were probably proof read like in Henry's reign.
MutatioAesa 1 year ago
but you have to admit, if Henry wasn't the jerk he was, Anne Boleyn would have never hooked up with him; Elizabeth I never would have existed; the protestant movement would have most likely never happened; and who knows what other repercussions it might have had.
Alura11 2 years ago 4
God save all the queens of england from the king of nuts, henry!!!
I stilll says dammit Henry, Zthis is Ur fault!!!!
:-P
DuttyGyal718 2 years ago 8
Very good played music!
tudorfan1500 2 years ago
Really nice! Very good choice of music.
szilvavirag 3 years ago
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lilmizzspac...
It was not all entirely Annes fault that Catherine was divorced, Henry was a horribile beast of a man who went after what hewanted no matter what the cost. Keep in mind, Anne never wanted to marry the King she wanted Henry Percy..
And Jane was never kind to Elizabeth, Yes she helped Mary a lot but acted as though elizabeth did not exist.
BombGangGirl 3 years ago 9
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There was no evidence Jane was unkind to Elizabeth either. Royal children were kept in separate houses then and like all of them, Elizabeth had her own house. Jane spent most of her time (1 year) as queen locked up and pregnant. We shouldn't judge her.
sakiguzman 3 years ago
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems you have a great problem with the Catholic faith. I myself am Lutheran, not Catholic but I realize that corruption and abuses go on within almost every faith, to accuse simply the Catholic faith of being array is disregarding many of the protestant faith's many scandals.
Also, only the bad churches make the news, you never hear about the faithful and true churches that have conducted themselves in the proper ways. Just keep in that in mind.
LNor19 3 years ago
Were you talking to me?
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
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You're giving Anne credit for the Reformation? The only part she played in the reformation was that her presence sped it up, it was going to happen in England sooner or later, with or without AB.
If KoA and Mary remained in their rightful places, there would not be mass murders of peoples of the protestant faith and others, look at the current Catholic nations, they certainly do not kill protestants, nor do they attend mass daily or speak only in latin.
LNor19 3 years ago
i also believed that if the spanish hadnt took over the vatican (KoA nephew), the pope would probably have granted the divorce
DuttyGyal718 2 years ago
I just want to say that I like Jane now! Well, not like, but I think she was smarter than I gave her credit for! She after all did a lot of good for Mary- whom I don't like, but I think it was still a good thing to do! And she was very brave to interfere in politics after what happened to Catherine and Anne.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago 9
Again, such lovely pictures =)
My favourite would have to be 1:45, such beautiful colour
Also as per usual, the song fits too, sounds English (even if it isn't!)
KAJAKKtrek 3 years ago
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Jane is a very big bitch .......Anne Boleyn FOREVER !!!!!!
Giugia777 3 years ago
Anne Boleyn is my fave as well but Jane was the most succesful of Henry's wives.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
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I disagree, I think Catherine Parr was.
MutatioAesa 1 year ago
How was Jane a bitch? This is so ignorant. How can you even blame her for Henry's mistakes. I expected better from an Anne Boleyn fan.
sakiguzman 3 years ago
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AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
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actually jane was intelligent! she wasnt as intelligent as katherine of aragon or anne boleyn, but at least she used common sense after seeing wat happened to anne and kept her mouth shut...so she actually was quite an intelligent woman
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anneisdabomb 3 years ago
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jane was not a bitch! she had nothing to do with anne boleyn's downfall...that was all henry and anne's enemies at court's doing, not jane's, jst cos henry fell in love with her, yuu cant be mad at her for that. plus anne was EVIL to katherine and mary, at least jane was kind to both mary and elizabeth, so actually, anne boleyn was the bitch!
lilmizzspac 3 years ago
what is the name of this song? and if possible, could you give my all of your background music for all of your fantastic videos?
princess11211993 3 years ago
i second the addition of the names of the songs to the video descriptions.
mbgal07 3 years ago
No offence, but I was never really interested in Jane Seymour. hers was one of the more "quiet" stories... I mean, she WAS the only one to give a male heir, who later became king and made the succession to the throne seriously retarted (which ended up having Lady Jane Grey killed in little over a week after she became queen.) The thing aabout her that interested me the most was the what could of happened if she haden't died so suddenly after giving birth to Edward.
toaang 3 years ago 2
I agree that Jane has one of the quieter stories, I guess all wives can't be that exciting and some have to be different. I think it is tragic that she died after her baby was born.
sakiguzman 3 years ago
Poor anne i mean atleast anne boleyn had the sense to fight with henry jane seymour was remembered as quite and meek....she and henry were married only 10 DAYS after ANNES EXICUTION like thats just crule marring sumbody 10 days after he killed his previous wife...seems pretty sluttish to me but thats my own oppinin,..no afense to jane seymour fans*
wanna2h 3 years ago 7
I agree that it is cruel, but I don't think Jane had any say as to what her wedding date would be- the decision was all Henry's and he couldn't wait to be rid of Anne. The hasty maraige was Henry's doing, not Jane's.
sakiguzman 3 years ago
Anne Boleyn is my fave but Jane was the successful wife. Gave a son, was submissive to the King, died just in time and he chose to be buried by her side. And Jane did not have to wait long to be Queen: she got in less than a year what Anne got in almost seven years.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
I understand where your comming from.
But you can't call a wife succesful just becasue she gave him a son.
If so Anne and Vatherine where also succesful just that their children died.
I believe they only reason he loved her the most is because she gave him a son.
laurenlfc48 3 years ago
Of course she was successful for that. To give a male heir was her only duty. And she could do it.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
the only sucessful one was the last-
divorced, beheaded,died,deivorced beheaded died it was like a pattern for henry.
azianxchic 3 years ago
and Anne of Cleves. She escaped the foul beast of a man!
anneisdabomb 3 years ago 2
Jane WAS successful. At least, her success was based on what the definition of 'wife' was at that time- during the 16th century a wife's duty was to bear a son, which Jane did. How can you not say that Jane was successful when women actually died trying to birth a son, or were even put to death (like Anne) for not being able to?
sakiguzman 3 years ago
Right. Jane did what she was expected to. She was the succesful one.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
All though i dislike Jane Seymour greatly, great video! :D
anneisdabomb 3 years ago 3
Thank you
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
yeahhh i love the music, whats it called and where u get it?
XxCrazygal2007xX 3 years ago
It's a Susato dance. I think I found it via internet.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
thanks!
XxCrazygal2007xX 3 years ago
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I don't dislike Jane though any more; I pity her, in many ways
anneisdabomb 3 years ago
I was hoping they would get Miranda Otto (Eowyn of Rohan LOTR: THe Two Towers) to play Jane but we'll have to wait & see who they get If she shows up mid season why isnt she in any trailers?
justlooking213 3 years ago
The actress portraying Jane Seymour is an Icelandic actress named Anita Briem. According to the IDBM website, she is expected to make an appearance in the later episodes of the 2nd season. In addition, Michael Hirst reported that Jane Seymour will be beautiful, complex, with ice in her veins. That's all I have heard of her for now. Check out the IDBM website for further info, or check out showtime's website. I hope this was a help.
soprano123 3 years ago 2
thank you, I visited sho. com shes not in the cast list The icy veins I like A Cold yin to Anne's red hot yang but beautiful?!? Jane had nice features like pale skin blue eyes and blond hair but she wasnt even pretty nevermind beautiful Oh well we'll see how it all turns out
justlooking213 3 years ago
I'm so sorry. When I said the idbm website, I meant the IMDB website. Sorry for the confusion.
soprano123 3 years ago
That's a very interesting view of Jane Seymour. I don't think she really was very complex. But I like how justlooking put it- a cold yin to Anne's hot yang
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
I think Jane was a Fascinating women. She may not have been beautiful of pretty but she did have pretty features. Her blue, eyes, straberryblond hair, and fair milky skin.
TudorRose85 4 years ago
Boleyn is my fave wife. Jane was the most succesful: had a son and kept Henry's love to the end, they still share a tomb.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
Well yes she did keep his love till the end - but he was with her for a very short time before she died, likely long enough for him to stray, really (not anything serious anyway) and then she dies giving him the one thing he craved more than anything - so in her death, she was almost martyred in his eyes.
Dawnage 4 years ago
I meant likely NOT long enough for him to stray, lol
Dawnage 4 years ago
True, but to be honest I think she would have suffered the same way as Anne and Catherine of Aragon had Edward been a girl
XxCrazygal2007xX 4 years ago 4
Jane is my least favorite of King Henry's wives. I dislike how everyone praised Jane and loved her and called her nice and gentle and sweet, but if she was really like this how could she help kill Anne? Jane couldn't even read or write anything but her name!
lovex3jessica 4 years ago
Thank you! Jane was a dullard! Even Catherine Howard was smarter!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago 4
My sentiments exactly! The only reason why everyone loved Jane (at that time) was because she was the only one who gave birth to the desired son. She just got lucky regarding that. Another reason was because she was a product of the time- mainly, an obedient maid.
soprano123 4 years ago 5
that's funny- they'd be so shocked to know that we hate her guts and like Anne Boleyn and Catherine Parr better now!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago 2
My guess is that today, we all know the real truth- Anne Boleyn WAS innocent of the made-up charges against her. If Anne was really guilty of anything, she was guilty of not being able to conceive a male heir for Henry. In addition, I think Anne Boleyn was ahead of the time-she was real educated, sophisticated, fascinating. And if it wasn't for her, England's greatest monarch would not have been born.
soprano123 4 years ago 6
Anne was more of a woman of our time than hers. She was centuries ahead- I feel I am also centuries ahead of my era, so I relate to her.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago 7
AMEN to that!!!! xxxxxxxx
Dawnage 4 years ago
I wonder what Henry would think if we knew that intelligent women were, if not admired, at least not considered to be freaks of nature anymore.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
i would LOVE to see his rection to someone telling him that!
TonksPinkHairedGirl 3 years ago
He'd probably order them beheaded- and then he'd realise he didn't have the power of an absolute monarch anymore and just throw a temper tantrum!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
haha lol
TonksPinkHairedGirl 3 years ago
Anne Boleyn was ahead of her time and she paid for it with her life.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago 7
oh my gosh! I can't believe someone gave your comment a -1, love3! I can't believe Jane has fans! I mean- who could like someone with a lower IQ than Beavis and Butthead?
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago 3
never mind- Beavis and Butthead are too smart for her!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago 3
just because she acted quiet doesn't mean she wasn't smart... she was smart enough to only rouse the king's anger once. he never tired of her in two years. she was also smart enough to catch him and to pursaude him to reconcile with his daughters. she wasn't thick at all, but a good actress
domino23456 4 years ago
Yes, Jane was a sucessful wife for Henry. I think she was the wife for him and the most succesful of the six.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
I read somewhere she could only just about write her own name :S
To be honest the only reason she was successful was because she bore him a son, had edward been a girl im 100% certain she would have gone the same way as catherine and anne
XxCrazygal2007xX 4 years ago
I agree Jane was a successful wife for Henry and became a saint in his eyes for bearing him Edward, but unfortunatly a lot of people will always remember her for being basically a homewrecker who had a lot of influence in having Anne Boleyn killed.
CavsCausnChaos 4 years ago
Her duty as Queen was to give a male heir to the throne. She achieved what she had to do, no another thing was asked to a Queen in those ages.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
I believe Jane Seymour would have suffered the same fate as Henry's earlier wives if she had not produced a son-or at least been divorced like Anne of Cleves.
audie83 3 years ago 7
Sure. But if she'd have survived Henry would have never put her aside.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
i think so too
XxCrazygal2007xX 3 years ago
I think Anne Boleyn has the rather stronger memory in the popular mind as a homewrecker. Jane has often been portrayed as rather meek, and mild-and as some believe Anne's 'marriage' to Henry was not valid due to the fact that it occurred while Catherine of Aragon lived-there wasn't much of a home to wreck. Anyway the true homewrecker imo was Henry VIII himself imo-he literally destroyed lives to get his way-including his closest family members. The man was just wicked imo.
audie83 3 years ago 4
Yeah, Henry wrecked his own fuckin home
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
More wondrous musicke!Magicke!! Tis all goodley....continueth pour toujours....the crumhorne, sackbutte, drummes, belles...all goodley too!!
R.Searle
Searle8 4 years ago 2
Is the music a sea shanty?
CCmani 4 years ago
No. This is a song written by Susato, a typical XVI century dance.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
Really? Iteresting!
CCmani 4 years ago
May i ask where you get these songs from please?
ravenlillysoa 4 years ago
Early Music (from XVI century)
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
the ending is so sad :(
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
If you read something recent on the Tudor Era(NOT Alison Weir), such as David Loades, you will learnt that in fact Anne had very little to do with the treatment of Katherine and Mary. That little bit, which has been circulating the universe for like 500 years, is, as Josephine Tey would say, "tonypandy"
iloveyoutoo825 4 years ago
"the good she did as queen was indescribable" the wonder of the universe the human body nature these things are indescribable What does Loades know that Starkey & Wier dont? Again Genius & high Ambition dont lend themselves easily to compassion Katherine & Mary were the enemy & this was war! All the good that happened is because of Anne & all the bad is because of Henry Is that really that black & white? Name 1 thing you don't like about Anne
justlooking213 4 years ago
Anne boleyn? ive been reading a book on her recently , by nora lofts. Anne boeyn was an incredible woman
or8m8 4 years ago 3
Of course she was She was committed to religious reforms a keen politician & sparkling intellectual She was elegant & chic But she had no compassion 4 the Queen or the Princess Anne knew she was playing a dangerous game & prophesied that her royal career could end in death but It never occurred to her that she might one day find herself & her child in the same terrible position as discarded wife and bastard daughter
justlooking213 4 years ago
I don't think Mary or KoA were that compassionate either.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
She could've petitioned her Nephew the Emperor to invade England but she had compassion on her subjects & now that I think about KoA had nothing to gain from burning heratics (unlike her parents & the weathly conversos)Mary unfortunately wanted revenge
justlooking213 4 years ago
you know what, i feel sorry for Mary and Elizabeth but, all in all those girls were spoiled like hell, when their mothers were out of favor, they lost the favor their mother gave them, as for Mary, Henry was going to restore her old lifestyle if she agreed, and Elizabeth didnt have any thing going on for her after her mothers death, she was forgotton but not trashed
SilverDrama 4 years ago
That Mary hated Ptotestants had nothing to do with her mother. The reason was her father! because of him and his new church she had to deny her catholic faith! The protestant church was the reason that she became a bastard! And because of that she hated the protestants...
And Elizabeth, yes, she was a good Queen, but what she did with Mary Stuart was also bad!
queenofbelair 4 years ago 3
we seem to have forgotten this video was about Jane Seymour. Jane, I do not think was noticable at all, but I still feel kind of bad for her. I think Henry would have found some excuse for getting rid of her too if she'd lived.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
After Edward she was secure Now if Edward was born Edna Janes ProCatholic agenda already laid the groundwork 4 a charge of treason but she could have sons, knew when to shut up & gave Henry his freedom to roam She would have gone the distance
justlooking213 4 years ago
then again, maybe not. Henry was going mad, and he still could have found some way to get rid of her- like look what he did with Katherine Parr. By the time of his death, he hated both Catholics AND Protestants.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Parr didnt have a son why would he act against the mother of his son or the validity of thier marriage He would never make Edward a bastard He was wakko but he could be reasoned with thats how Parr survived by playing the gender card
justlooking213 4 years ago
ok, yeah, I can see that.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
by the time of ihs death, he was pissed at the world dearling
prettyprincessmegs 4 years ago
Then why didnt he have Parr tried & executed for treason By the end He was mad but also exhausted Had Jane had lived & been a faithful wife he would have appreciated her like he came 2 appreciate Parr b4 he met his end
justlooking213 4 years ago
HmmmmMMmmmHHHHHHHHHmmmmmm
supposedy jane was a bitch deep down
prettyprincessmegs 4 years ago
What, executing a woman who had serious political power and who was plotting against her? Oh gah, get a grip.
iloveyoutoo825 4 years ago
Katharine a saint? Give me a break! If she had lived, I could see her gleefully roasting Protestants. And psychoange, don't find an excuse for that. I'd have been dead1
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
i hear ya i don't think she was who history made her out to be
redlady555 4 years ago
you mean Katharine of Aragon or Jane Seymour isn't? Jane Seymour was just kind of- there. Katharine of Aragon?
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
jane
redlady555 4 years ago
Anne Boleyn will crush Katharine of Aragon any day. Katharine was mother of one of England's worst rulers, Anne was mother of one of its best! Besides, I blame Katharine for teaching Mary to hate Protestants.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
well, then you would have to blame Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain for teaching Katherine to hate Protestants. And soo on.
SilverDrama 4 years ago
yeah, I wasn't thinking correctly. In the end, no one is to blame for Mary's actions but Mary. The real reason I don't like Aragon is she's my polar opposite- I identify more with the ambition and wit of Anne Boleyn. As for Jane- I just feel bad for her.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Protestants did not exist during Ferdinand and Isabella lifetime
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
I know that, someone else said that.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
If Anne Boleyn was a whore who deserved everything she got, then the same is true with Jane. Jane did nothing Anne Boleyn didn't do plus she urged Henry to kill her. And she was such a boring bitch no one even cared when she died.
iloveyoutoo825 5 years ago
Anne Boleyn was an intelligent, charming, accomplished, and by all accounts a fascinating person , whereas Mistress Seymour was a dullard. Jane Seymour, by far , is my leas tfavorite of his wives
herrleutnant 4 years ago
well, the whole realm did mourn when Jane died, but that's only because she had a son. It's funny how years later Anne Boleyn is more admired, and Jane is hated.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
dat because Anne died on false charges and was mommy to an incredible rular of England
SilverDrama 4 years ago 2
Anne Boleyn is my favorite Queen, but I like Jane as well.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
Anne Boleyn will crush her anyday. Jane was the mother of a King for eight years , Anne Boleyn was the mother of a Queen for forty, so take that, because she was not guilty of anything and i bet you that haunted King Henry for the rest of his life!
carolinahonda 5 years ago
Yeah right, you don't even know your history, Anne Boleyn's farther told her 2 play Henry VIII, so there.
CCmani 5 years ago
Even if he didn't, that doesn't make her a whore who got exactly what she got. It just means she wanted to go somewhere with her life and the only way a woman could do that was in marraige in those days.
iloveyoutoo825 5 years ago
that is very very true. so sad that that was the only way women could do anything. And it makes Anne remarkable for even telling her father no at first
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Says who?
Phillipa Gregory?
or Margaret George.
lmao
iloveyoutoo825 5 years ago
I dislike this wife
CCmani 5 years ago
Not anymore though =D
I like all the wives
CCmani 3 years ago
She has Anne Boleyn's blood on her hands.
iloveyoutoo825 5 years ago
I would tend to agree with you on that. BTW I love all these videos on Henry VII's wives BTW by YeOLdeTune. Wonderful music and imagery. THank you very much.
herrleutnant 5 years ago
You're welcome!I love Tudor era.
YeOldeTune 5 years ago
these are good, i love watching these
SilverDrama 4 years ago
That's true. Supposedly sweet and kind Jane needed a murder to achieve the crown. She may have been a ninny but she watched an innocent woman die and went to her throne through Anne's blood.
Elisabetta611 5 years ago
true. Anne may have TALKED of killing Catalina, but Jane went even farther and watched Anne die.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 5 years ago
I love the music!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 5 years ago