#139 - HHO shim cell by REK Machine & Mold

[Atimar01]

this energy supply guy is so funny ... he just has no clue what the ignition of HHO is like i think he should compare it to this 1kg of coal has about 20 MJ of energy 1kg of TNT has 4 MJ of energy light the coal and your house warms up light the TNT and its fare well house the trick is in the burning speed hydrogen burns about 3x faster than gasoline that means a faster heatup of the air in the cylinder also, HHO can burn on an extremely thin mixture (up to 180:1)

[captainwho1]

Do you have one of these shim cells so that you can test it and maybe do a video soon ? Or are you still waiting for parts ?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Still waiting. :-/

[rkonnen]

Zero should have some shims to test the first week of May.

Regards, REK

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You da man!

[EnergySupply2008]

Mega Joules per liter.

Gasoline 34.2

Gaseous Hydrogen at room temperature 0.01079

HHO, two parts H one part O so divide 0.01079 by 3 x 2 = energy density 0.00719 Mega Joules per liter at room temp.

Raise temp to typical HHO cell temp 185 F (60 amps input) gas expands 21.76 percent.

0.00719 divided by 121.76 x 100 energy density now 0.00590 Mega Joules per liter.

34.2 Mega Joules divided by 0.00590, ratio of 5,796.6 to one. One gallon of gasoline = 5,796.6 gallons of HHO.

[RotaryPistonEngine]

How many watts do you plan to use?

How many cubic feet of HHO do you plan to make?

What BTU per hour?

How many watts do you think it takes to make 9cu/ft at 1 ATM?

[hho1junkie]

I bought this F-16 Pulse King, my engine is running so smooth, I looks like I am getting more HHO with less amps.

I have them in all my cars and a Honda Motorcycle. It is very high tech. I finally bought something that works

[davidswin]

Find out what PMW is and how to connect it to you HHO gen.

Don't use salt use baking soda salt makes Chlorine.

HHO gas floats up to the ceiling in a house do project outside.

Use wind power while driving down the road the wind resistance

against the car and a wind turbine connected to the HHO cell.

Search for "simple generator" on YouTube.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Now that you've spammed 4 videos with the exact same message, you're done. Have a nice day.

[partwerks]

What are you using for gasket material between the plates?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Rope gasket in the shims, not against the plates.

[kissmyhho]

hi there zero from down under...

just a good question for you....

i type in hho rotary engine and nothing relevent really comes up. do you know of milage testing in a rotary and if not maybe you can put the question out there as you have a big audience. my initial thought is no timing issues but then again i dont pretend to know but someone will and i want to ;)

regards andy

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Andy, you make a great point. I used to have an 83 RX7 with the 12A and 4bbl. Wish I still had it.

The plugs fire 20* BTDC and at TDC on each chamber. If someone wanted to test efficiency gains with ignition at TDC all they'd have to do is ground out the two plug wires that fire BTDC. The distributor has a great deal of adjustability too.

[turbomoore]

Alrite explain to me this: Power consumed across a resistance is defined as: Current (times) Current (times) Resistance, this is equal to power in watts. The power you consume in the HHO cell is equal to the current you feed it (squared) and then (times) the resistance across it. Then how can such a low volume of H2 gas released from an 'HHO generator' have a greater heating value (in watts) than it took to make it?

[jhollaswrx]

I have gone to the R.E.K. website and took a closer look at there pictures. Does the gas exit from between the shims at the unit like a bob boyce design?

[radicalman66]

Zero do you have a site where that shim cell could be bought? I am wondering about one that is about 120 plates.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Still waiting for Richard to announce release of the new shims.

[7979celebrity]

I bought a F-16 Pulse King on ebay and my HHO went crazy. My engine purrs like a kitten

[frank0067]

doing lot talking but not saying much guys

tell us the info, specs, etc

[advancedhydrogen]

i talked to the fella that makes the shims he said that he pulled the mold and is re doing the shims. i am ordering 12 shims and he said he has only a couple hundred untill he installs the new mold.. untill then !?!

[Davehho1]

" Even I have to wait. As far as I know Richard is still working on the new mold. I have not heard from him in quite some time. "

Can't wait to see that setup in a 100 cell

unit.

Looks like ole bob is up to a similar setup.

Hit the "The Cell" dot com, while bob is on the weblogs talkin monoatomic/resonance crap, hes in production of the 36v tero wet cell. An ad man said they are producing 4000 a month. So much for the mystical Resonance and bobs torid

thanks Z

[Ben111778]

I hope you get that thing hooked up soon.. this is like Kill Bill in theatres, you've set us up, but now we have to wait for the finale...

And just so I ain't complaining, I'd like to thak you. Great work as always, keep it up.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Sorry for all the suspects. Even I have to wait. As far as I know Richard is still working on the new mold. I have not heard from him in quite some time.

Richard, are you still out there?

[TheLivingDeadOne]

What happen back in #29, it said not for minors? The whole video I was afraid you might have blown yourself up. It was very suspensful right to the end. I've just tonight watched quite a few of your videos. Great work. Whats your stock ticker symbol?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I suspect the "not for minors" label has to do with the hazards associated with HHO.

Stock ticker? I have no intention of ever going public.

[HHO4ALL]

Anyone that likes experimenting with HHO should try this. OxyClean works as well as sodium hydroxide!!! In fact it seem to generate more bubbles and they are loud as hell when you put flame to them.

The best thing is that you can buy a huge tub of OxyClean for less than $10 bucks.

[Davehho1]

Don't leave us hangin Z !

[Javadavida]

pretty!

[john29302]

i as well saw the cell and expressed this may be the biggest advance to date for economy and efficiency. the gas output tube and the refill tube hasnt been made complete yet has it? uses plain ss 8" square plates. and connections? i dunnotaht either i am sure richard...actually he just completed the prototype the night before. very impressive implications. time takes time. good luck

[PreferredSolutions]

Z, have you had a chance to draw up a diagram of the shim cell yet? I looked on your website but didn't see anything. I would like to build one.

[alexjonesretard]

your car is 17% on gas . a fuel cell car is 50% on gas . fuel cells not hho

[trendvester]

zero. That url isnt working. I need to buy an hho gen for my diesel hauler. Do you think this shim cell will serve my needs better than others? Also,will someone with diesel/hho experience msge me. -Thanks

[KenLaunchMag]

Hopefully the website will be fixed shortly. After reading through the comments, I see the confusion about what makes the shim-stack different. The liquid transfer holes are in the plastic shim and not in the SS plates. I am still anxious to see how the power connections are made.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You are correct about the fluid transfer. I'll TRY to find some time to sketch up the entire design concept. Been working on my childrens' cars all weekend (New fuel tank and rear exhaust on one, front strut tower bearings on another). >:-(

[gemrough]

Hi Zero,

I have a quick question for you. Could you not just stager the holes from left and right AND "seal" the holes in a dry cell with something as simple as paint to prevent current leakage? Sometimes the solutions are just so simple they are overlooked....

Shane

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Tried that already. Ineffective.

[gemrough]

Thanks Zero that answers a question. It is now obvious that the problem is NOT the current leakage from the edge, the problem is the current is jumping THRU the hole from the adjacent plate (at least on my staggered hole setup)!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

... which is still an edge.

[gdjohny]

Hi

I am in need of some help. I am doing second year of college HNC in Mechanical Engineering and for this years project i chose 'Diesel engines and HHO'. I will perform a lots of test on my car and my wife car. I am looking for a cell to buy and i cant make up my mind.Can someone send me PM with link to some with good output and possibly cheap. Many thanks.

[advancedhydrogen]

good job! i was talking to another hho minded fella we were mulling around the same idea. except we wanted to mold the plates into the gasket material so that a 11 and 21 plate unit would be a one piece deal! i want to purchase some of your gaskets to try out! scott

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I get none of the credit. Check the links to the right under "more info"

[recbo]

Somebody else used plain plates, outside bolts, and a plastic tunnel block for electrolyte and voltage blocking. Maybe hhohuntsville? Using just a minimal tunnel block on outside-bolted dry cell was smaller than the above, I think. Tunnel block could use case clamps like above, then just a rectangular gasket under edge of block.

[FearTurtles]

Looks to big to me. I don't think your going to get enough electrolite to pass acrossed all that plate surface. Good luck with it. I can't see the inlet and outlet ports so maybe I'm wrong.

[SmartScarecrow]

this is a very nicely put together prototype ... not really earth shaking as it resembles a 1903 Westinghouse patent that was made with brass plates and bakelite spacers ...

this design is a natural evolution of the currently popular dry cell arrangment ... EBN has considered a very similar design ... so far the cost to manufacture such a device has been the problem ... test marketing of the 8" EBN dry cell has shown there is price resistence at the point we would need to be ...

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Expect shims to be about $2.25 ea. Plain 6x6 316 plates are much less expensive than machined plates.

[magick205]

Looks very interesting. What's the basis of the physics at work in this case. I'm not very familair with fuel cell technology.

[mrwebb7]

Can you elaborate a little on why this is amazing? I feel a bit left out on the joke simply because I'm not an HHO buff yet (but I am trying to learn and will get there!) The device looks pretty cool, how is this any better than the models you've made though?

[EnginSaab]

Yes I too don't see the major difference in the EBN and this design. Please explain the benefit.

TIA

[ZeroFossilFuel]

No holes inn\ the plates to create edges exposed to electrolyte. i.e. no current leakage across plates, i.e. greatly improved efficiency. I predict 7+ mmw easily.

And it's entirely modular. Build to any size you want.

[Drpepper687]

Hey man, this design looks very similar to the "clam" design that I've seen and since made. Is it the same thing? Plates spaced very close together, positive and negative plates spaced by neutral plates?

[cricketol]

if there was a url its not there anymore

[cricketol]

do u know where to get any of the shims at?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Yes. I have already posted his contact information right here on this very watch page.

[cricketol]

sorry but i looked and i dont know if it is in there .. sorry ill look on your site too

[TheDisturbingTruths]

HHO IS THE FUTURE!!! Check out my account, cool stuff, shocking stuff.

[markmil2002]

.....and I though nothing could be better than the EBN cell. Next will be a cell that gets 12 mmw.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I doubt brute force will exceed 7.5 mmw. BUT, other technologies will push it beyond. FAR beyond.

[insAneTunA]

Amazing indeed, another great job. Thank you for all the hard work, and the afford you put into this. (not sure if my English is correct, I am dutch) Maybe that is the reason why I like HHO so much, we dutch folks hate to spend money for nothing. But there is still a lot of disbelieve in my country, because of all the disinformation that is told by so called experts from oil and energy companies. But you guys proof what can be done.

Rick

[tjgame2]

Why not post any of my comments Zero.

[edewit08]

Are the patents problem here?

Nice innovations but are they usable for us Zerofossile fuel fans?

Where to get info on combination of Solar & Hydrogen pover cell solutions for "everyday man" ;o)

ThX.

[webster6410]

more info please more more we want more please

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Keep an eye on my web site. Full details 2b posted there.

[hhoconnection]

So where are the electrical connectors on the plates?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Details 2b posted at my web site but to answer your question, charged electrodes will simply be 6" square plates with a 1" wide tab in the center that rises through a channel in the top of the shims then bends to a right angle. + or - is determined by the way the tabs extend, left or right. Connection to tabs by threaded rods inside the top gas collection manifold.

[gdjohny]

Big stuff!!

I could use that to power up my welder that i need.Can i get one for testing ;) ??

Good work-Test it ASAP .

[kratomosphere]

Soooo. How do I place my order??!! :) Electrolyzers are evolving. Thanks for the vid and keep us posted on these.

[97whiterangerpu]

If you do a google search on "Jack's Web (misfitjackie)" and look at his blog under "Booster's (general)" and entry "December 12th 2007" you'll see that he had a similar idea. Don't know if he ever did it or not.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You only need to post once. Spam here again and you WILL be banned. Capiche?

[97whiterangerpu]

Spam is useless information, not what I was doing. I was trying to contribute for the greater good. My multiple posts were because I didn't realize at first that you were screening the posts, I thought that youtube was blocking them because I was attempting to put a URL in to a website.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

By posting the same content a dozen times? I think not.

[97whiterangerpu]

I only remember 4 or 5 attempts on my part, but chaulk it up to a misunderstanding. Now if you think we can get past that what do you think about misfitjackie's October 10th 2007 picture of his design on his blog. I think it's pretty cool and must be very similar to this "shim cell" concept.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Took me a bit to find it but yes, very similar concept only taken to the next three levels beyond this. In this conceptual diagram no provision is made for electrical connection or fluid transfer. The gas outlet passages are also MUCH too small. When you see the completed design it's going to knock your socks off.

For everyone else this is the url

au*geocities*com/misfitjackie/­images/SeriesModularTest04*jpg

[97whiterangerpu]

Thank you, I am very anxious to see it (shim cell).  The one that I really want to show you (and everyone) is at the same url you posted but without the "04". It's actually a more sophisticated but earlier design that incorporates a labyrinth-like equalization channel for fluid transfer. Very cool.

This is the url

au*geocities*com/misfitjackie/­images/SeriesModularTest*jpg

[gregsmetalworks]

I was unable to get the url to work, any other way you might think of?

[97whiterangerpu]

Sorry, there was a blank space in between the "/" and "images" by mistake. Don't know how that happened. Also, don't forget to replace the 3 "*"'s with "."'s. You can also delete everything after "misfitjackie/" and look at his whole blog, if you want.

[lrover03]

Man, I'd love to see some tests on this! I almost froze my cell in my VW the other day. Finally had to pull it out for the winter. That's the only bad aspect of this type of technology.. your fuel medium has a tendency to freeze in cold weather. :-D

[cavebandit]

I havn't gotten a chance to try it yet but I was told that people have been using denatured alcohol or windshield washer fluid (lots of alcohol in washer fluid) mixed into the electrolite to prevent freezing.

[kfortner51]

Using 90% Isopropyl alcohol with your electrolyte mix will work very well as a "antifreeze" in the cell and bubbler.

You'll have to determine the ratio for you particular system. I tested a 1:4 ratio in the freezer and it was fine.

[Edward1589]

Mate, just wanted to say: YOU ROCK THE SOCKS OFF THE FATCATS. Keep up the great job. :)

[tjgame2]

How low can you get the volts.

[captainwho1]

So I take it he's molding the spacers/gaskets that separate the plates in a way that creates very small passageways for the electrolyte to pass through to accomplish fluid leveling throughout the cell, but the path for electrons is so long and circuitous that there is effectively no current leakage?

What material is he using in the mold? Is he using 316L stainless steel shim stock for the plates? How thick? I saw somewhere else that someone had a similar idea - can't remember who off hand.

[HHO4gas]

My Campbell gasket routed the fluids around the plates through the gaskets. It failed due to my limited access to materials and machinery to build the gaskets. The same obstacles have held me back with the Mars and Phobos gaskets, but I hope to have success with new materials, which I'll be testing very soon.

Bob

[jdcmusicman]

Nice job.Thats about the same concept as tjgame.Just done on a more professional level..Now lets see that thing run ..Has it been tested yet? any MMW readings yet?

[tjgame2]

There are no holes in the plates, my no hole can get down to under 1.8 volts, have you done any low volt test like that.

[mikeyidh]

Good job I am so jealous. I wish I was apart of EBN.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

This is not an EBN cell.

[pbrexs]

Very well thought out proto. Someone had a lot of cash to invest. I wish them well.

[hydromakers]

Zero,It was great to meet you at the HHO games. I don`t mean to be Pessimistic but! I flew down from Macon Ga. just to see a bunch of

Mason Jars with Wire in them,and If you got lucky, somebody had 6 or 7 Plate in a container complaining they got an 30% to 50% increase in fuel mileage. The modular design frames was the best idea there, All we need to do is to figure out how to maintain a correct water level in each Cell.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Howdy, Macon. Several years ago I drove there from CT with my family to buy a Finnish Spitz from a breeder there by the nickname of Rowdy. It was worth the trip.

Z

[bandit1996]

it feels like we are only months away from the complete answer, if i find out anything that you or the other top runners haven't, i'll let you know. anyhow cheers from Down Under

[najman100]

where is the input output ?

[shubus]

Damn! Now that's some pretty serious hardware!

[Grieverjoao]

Hi there Zero. Griever from Portugal here.

That would be somthing amazing to see working at full AMPs.

I wanted to ask you (if you don´t mind) about the Stanley Meyers resonant system. Did you find or are you close to find something more about it? I think the last time you talked about it was something like resonant=pendulum system if i recall it correctly??!!

Thank you very much

[Harvstallion]

How many liters of HHO will you be able to get out of this set up?. And could a car,s battery, couple to your PWM be able to power this cells in a car? Will you need a better bubler or is there anything else needed to improve this setup?

[hhoconnection]

I'm confused Z, where is the water flowing?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Very small channels down low on the side of the shims flowing into a leveling manifold.

[lookout816]

wow!

[bandit1996]

hmm, how many volts to run that, may be just a tad big for a car. but we gotta keep trying. i might put a couple of vids up soon,but my info is much the same as anyones else. smacks bob boyce style dry cell might have less leakage than the EBN guys

[ZeroFossilFuel]

What ever voltage you want. Fully configurable. Only guideline is to keep the voltage between each plate around 2v. Completely self leveling. Virtually zero current leakage between plates. We expect 7+ mmw from this design easily.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Refinements to the design that we HHO foundation members produced are being incorporated in the next public release of this shim cell design. It's going to seriously kick gass!