Steam injection test on Saab 900 Internal combustion engine, not HHO or water car but Hypermiling

[nlo114]

Why bother with the steam generator?

The inlet manifold vacuum will lower the temperature and condense the steam into water.

Would it not improve the efficiency by just injecting water?

[volks1234]

your tricking your engine to run lean

the oxygen sensor works by temperature so the steam lowers temps computer adjust by running lean

[givebenadollar]

The increase in vacuum you see is due to the cooling effect of the steam. The steam you are providing the engine is low quality (high water content) and the water then boils off in the engine removing heat. This causes the internal temperature to go down and increases vacuum. The steam also plays a part in combustion, and preheating fuel/air. This does not change AFRs (with the exception of the more efficient burn possible with the water.)

[wizardman42]

not sure about the vacuum issue , but when splitting molecules any kid of stess helps break them down , steam injection is like electrolysis on the fly , first heat turns the water in to saturated steam , under 400F, some of the mol. give up its basic components , then the compression stroke break some more, then BANG electricity !!!!then more fire , heat and pressure , well DANG!!!! a lot of the molecules break apart to basic gas's I had a Nissan 1.9 liter up to 80 MPG and was not using a pump

[kenterprise1]

steam cool down the air/ mixture during compression, reducing pumping looses and then over-expand on power stroke and further cool the gases during exhaust stroke. That's why you get higher vacuum on idle and less "smoke" - vapors in fact - on exhaust. Engine load based variable volume improve the combustion preventing spark plugs wetting. Comparing to large water droplets injection the steam is already "energetically charged" so for less added energy still have expansion potential ..

[Pinhead650]

I don't know why the exhaust condensation disappears with the steam.

The increased power and mileage, however, is due to the fact that steam expands at a much higher rate than nitrogen. This increase in expansion creates higher cylinder pressures which increases the amount of work done on the piston.

[Ollitopay]

The car thinks it is getting air but it is actually getting air and steam. The steam takes a great portion of air out of the air to fuel ratio equation and replaces it with water. Water doesn't burn. Less air = richer air fuel ratio = more power and efficiency. But it is bad for the emissions system. The engine is cleaned because water is an excellent solvent, especially when it is hot.

[marek0086]

@Ollitopay~ no u got it wrong! Whats water made up of??..... Hydrogen and Oxygen!!!

Which means the air:fuel ratio will be leaner!

He should hook up a wideband O2 sensor and check the afr's under load.

[kremene]

@Crazylalalalala I never said that is a splitting.Steam is just water but with another state of energy(much higher).Indeed is not burning with a regular flame but if you try with high voltage plasma definietly will BURN.Inside combustion chamber are very high temperatures and presuures and so steam IS BURNING(in fact first molecule is splitting then hydrogen burning)

[kremene]

I see here only idiots.Steam is hot water and from Chemistry point of view is a mix of Hydrogen and oxygen.hydrogen is the most energetic element in UNIVERSE.When is combustion in oxygen results 143 Kj for every gram of Hydrogen.Gasoline offer only 44 Kj of energy.So Steam INCREASE POWER OF ENGINE AND HELPS TO IMPROVE BURNING OF GASOLINE.Thats why never smoke when steam is injected in manifold.chek on Google Patents Yuri Yatsenko US PAtent Application 021507 from 2007(September 20)

[Crazylalalalala]

@kremene

fact that is made of hydrogen and oxygen doesnt mean that they are split. just think about it next time you boils water put a lighter to the steam and you will see that it doesnt burn.

if you want to split those the water will need to be in the temperature of 3632F for just 3% of the water to split. into H, H2, O2, and OH. idk if thats worth the lost of air volume sense only 3% of the steam you put in will be likely to split.

[marek0086]

This guy is a total amature!...He doesnt even understand that atmospheric humidity is responsible for the amount of steam coming out your exhaust.

[Emporator]

@marek0086 Doesn't everybody start off as an amateur? Oh, you mis-spelt amateur.

[baggyaxewound]

the vac drops becuase the steam is replacing the atmos air , your pumping in pressure so the VACUUM will drop ,

WOW is everyone thick as fuck the only good outcome from this , is you will reduce the knock on your motor

[marek0086]

@baggyaxewound~ u forgot to mention it will clean the valves and combustion chambers.

[omiateeful]

You need a lesson on vacuum gauges and manifold pressure gauges.

[omiateeful]

Get rid of the vacuum guage and use an absolute pressure gauge, a manifold pressure gauge, and see what you get.

[DineRida]

i would think the moist seals up any lost compression. a dry cylinder and the rings have air leakin through the moist helps seals them up... just me thinkin a second. this was interesting.

[marek0086]

@DineRida~ thats what the engine OIL is for!!!!  haha!

[Novecentocabrio]

First i'm sorry for my english. I know a injection system ( by Saab about year 1978) that use water; i don't know how work but in Brescia Italy the "Saab specialist" have one of this rare Saab. Find it on internet maybe can you have more ansare at our question.

Up Saab's!!!

[rintsik]

video is OK ! Camera work is horrible.

[budzag]

haha thats random on the side of the road steaming the motor

[Polybun]

There is a very simple reason they are not on cars today. They require daily filling to provide any benefit. There just isn't an easy way to make it work.

[turbomoore]

Fail.

Injecting steam displaces air that would be used for combustion and heats up the remaining incoming air. Meaning the engine is breathing less air, making less power, and likely to predetonate. Intercoolers are used on turbo engines to cool the intake charge so more air can be pumped into the engine. Water injection does the same thing and works well too but don't confuse it with this steam stuff. This demonstration is almost as pointless as HHO

[burmkilla]

i bet that shit will rust your cylinders if u leave the car sit for a while

[RTJaKaL]

@burmkilla actually one of the normal products of combustion is water, so it wouldnt be as bad as you think as far as corrosion inside the cylinder.

[samandlauz]

Quick question. You say you have 14% increase in efficiency so far. Have you fitted a device to your engine now? If you have it would be interesting to see what you have done. P.S Nice Saab, I love 900 Turbos.

[ProjectCarTV]

Whats the song in the background?

[killbotexe]

Get exhausted wasted fuel because your air sensor senses higher pressure so the ecu adds more fuel to the mix? RPMs rise faster due to an increase in pressure making it seem kind of like ram air in a moving vehicle...

[killbotexe]

Get exhausted wasted fuel because your air sensor senses higher pressure so it adds more fuel to the mix?

[camlpg]

Adding water vapour causes complete combustion. There cannot be total combustion without water. Yes, we were all taught in school that you must have fuel and oxygen for combustion but a living cell does it better than any engine because it uses the third necessary ingredient - WATER!!! There you have it Watson, FUEL + OXYGEN + WATER equals fait accompli - another trinity of nature. You could take a chance and drive the car to see if fuel economy increases.

[matcotech]

I think what you have done is set the ECU's programmable memory to run on watery fuel. The change in the idle is due to the computer trying to compensate for the mixture. I would also be careful not to warp your pistons.

[BlakeMason2]

You could just be throwing off the 02 sensor which faked out the computer to run the fuel injection at a better operating point. You really need to test it on a road trip under load AND under boost to see if MPG is increased. Slight changes at idle aren't really significant. The best test by far would be to take your steampot and car to a dyno shop and apply steam under full boost and load and get a printout with the results.

[FINJERRY]

Great music!  Tell me more about it.

[uscar17]

uuum... whats the music ?

[DenRotlose]

Measure the fuel pressure?

[archucky]

why heat the engine even more? isnt that why turbo cars need intercooler?

[liang00able]

beacuse your steam is put after throttle body , when you star the engine , it supose to be a rich mixture , but you acturlly leaning it, when you doing that way, thats the reason why there no "white steam" in your exhuase.

[liang00able]

a aaa

[GCimprezaFTW]

what's up with that music...

[tgamirov]

@GCimprezaFTW It's called ambient and is very popular in Europe.

[GCimprezaFTW]

@tgamirov there goes my American ignorance again... my bad!

[mikeyz75]

injection of water steam helps actually cooling down the manifold/throttle body. Nothing more. Your fuel efficiency is better because you're concentrated more on 'watching the gauge' than on pushing it down on the throttle pedal ;)

Anyway, I like people like you, because they're so fun to watch 'exploring' the things that the hi-school physics textbook would overrule at the very first glance ;) Keep on, it's always better than drugs :)

[Welcome2SweetLife]

The steam in the cylinder will expand more while being ignited. That's why faster response, cleaner combution, higher mileage and cleaner engine. I dont like people like you, because they are to narrow minded all the time ;)

[josephdupont]

I can't see steam increasing power.

it migh tincrease gas mileage.

[tonycavez]

you can't see it but you can feel it ' steam= higher compretion

[mikeyz75]

@tonycavez

Can you prove how steam at athmospheric pressure increases compression ratio?

[klbar2005]

amazing idea was created by saab and you are avery smart man really to own and drive saap 900 its afine art man please take care aLot about this hot old girl and aLways keep it clean and in good conditions too your car =fortune for who really care about reaL cars!!!!!!!you welcome as friends in my page

[Tranixx]

hmm..

how long the electronic injection would do it?

that seems to be possible, but not good for the engine...

[fenix144]

i think this tard was just somewhat trying to say he had a steam car. something about those lines. whatever a steam car really is called. or he was simply lithuanian :\

[jimmyhackers]

can i make a suggestion?

buy a 12v travel kettle from ebay and rig that up to make steam into your intake so it is portable and see if you gain a power increase from it?

[irishhotti2]

extremly bad idea..... you get your mass flow sensor wet.. and your fucked

[windsurf7772]

but thatslike having a warm air intake. i want my engine running cooler not hotter i dont think the idea buys me son

[gnatsum67]

look up water methanol injection snow performance i think sells a kit same idea

[jdshadle]

I had a 77 Dodge truck with a 225c.i. slant 6 engine, one of the most reliable but roughest running ever from Chrysler Corp. I installed a vapor/mist system made out of a medical oxygen moisture canister hooked up to a inlet to the intake manifold. The introduction of the mist(comparable to steam) as I understood it, atomized the fuel / air mixture even more , thereby enhancing combustion.The idle smoothed out to the point I could set a cup of coffee on the air cleaner, & would stay put!

[koglowa]

OMG! MY CAR CAN DO THAT TOO!

[MGullberg1]

Steam gives pressure(steam explosion) and then suction(condensation). Hence your vacuum increase.

Why nobody did it?........ We never wanted to decrease consumption.

[kev68theone]

Seems to me that your induction sensors (whether they are Mass Air Flow or Speed Density) are realizing that the air mixture coming into the engine is much denser when the steam is injected into the intake tract. Therefore, your computer is probably increasing the timing and adjusting the fuel mixture at the same time since it believes there is a dense mixture already going into the engine (just like how a car feels like it has more power on a cool dense night). Just my opinion.

[douglundy]

you might read about the water-gas shift in wikkipedia, and water injection has been used since wwII on aircraft to boost performance..and many many examples.

Cars are not actually made for the consumer, but to produce the demand for oil the corporations wish to see..

Thanks for the simple demonstration.

[hassan385]

when you are connecting the hose directly to the intake, are you doing it before the throttle plate or after. Because i think you are connecting it before the plate and unless you open the throttle, you will not see any smoke at the exhaust.

That's what i think.

Good Luck

[928GTSR]

What song did you use for this video?

[zehboss]

This is a simple mas flow situation. The moist warm air weighs more. The turbo can more efficiently pump the air and thus the gain in boost. Any condensate in the air is expanded during the combustion at 1600 to one using some of the additional heat energy that would normally be lost as well. I have had a vehicle that ran on upto 50% injected water. This also works by better utilizing the wasted heat energy. These type of systems are used on high performance airplane engines.

Brian

[NVMDSTEvil]

the steam is leaning out the air/fuel mixture.

Most vehicles run with a fuel rich mixture by default to make sure they wont ping/detonate/pre-combust the fuel. Many now have sensors to detect ping/knock (a microphone basically) and adjust the engine timing accordingly but even that is not perfect.

Steam/water/HHO injection can help in many cases when tested and done right. Without proper care its pointless though.

Catilytic converters also increase fuel mixture..

[gerhube2000]

very possible so do ur home work dont think if u speak like this i will get angry an show u

[samandlauz]

Look. I am a doing a national diploma in motor sport engineering. I have studied cars and engines all my life and I know that you cannot run a petrol piston engine on steam. For a start, steam is not combustable so the spark plug will do nothing. Secondly if steam is the main fuel then you will have a lot of water in the cylinders which doesnt compress, therefore your engine will be blown to smitherines.

[gerhube2000]

hey for the passed three month i have being driving my car complete on steam there are few things u need to add then u start ur car with petrol after 7-10 minute when the engine is hot disengage ur fuel d car is ready to heat the road just with steam, ur car will be 5 to 7 times more powerful than what it use to be but every other thing are perfect the way they are. the temperature of were i stay is -12degree still i enjoy free energy from water :) listen to me u are in the right track

[L33TFooMaster]

Your claim is absurd. You can't keep extracting working from water without putting work into it. There is no such thing as "free energy". It has to be taken from somewhere.

Back your rediculous claim up! post a video with a well-thought and concisely written explanation.

If you can't do that, then you should stop spreading your oh-so-false information.

[gerhube2000]

u really have alot of things to do what do u understand by the word free? and what is energy? if u are paying for water then is not free but for me i dont pay for the water i use to drive my car and that is were i get my energy from

[samandlauz]

This is bollocks. You cannot run a normal petrol engine on steam. Its impossible.

[samandlauz]

I am guessing the steam acts as an anti-knock agent, the ECU picks this up through the knock sensor and allows more boost to be applied, I think thats part of the reason for the greater power. Not only that but when water gets into the cylinders and combustion takes place, the heat converts the water/steam into pressure. Saab actually used to offer a water injection kit on their old turbo models. You should look it up and find out a bit more about it, its quite interesting.

[gerhube2000]

and u feel that u know it all? u better advance ur study very well, i use about 6litres of water 300km for a speed of 140km/h and my car engine is 6times more powerful than before. knowledge is power right now i start my car with complet water every thing is just water. think very well act wisely u will get right

[samandlauz]

Look, water is not combustible, you cannot run an engine on water alone. It has no calorific value. Therefore you cannot run a petrol engine on it. You are clearly talking bullshit. Not only that but you are claiming your engine is now 6 times more powerful then before. That means your engine has gone from 30% thermodynamically efficient to 180% thermodynamically efficient. Absolute bollocks. You cannot get over 100% efficient. Do your science and stop wasting time by posting lies.

[chenyj]

We are working on a solution based on the same principle. Steam is the key to fuel efficiency.

See this video. Steam Combustion Engine

[gerhube2000]

run ur car completely on steam then u will have a hiher efficiency 5-7times more powerful than what it use to be and ur engine will last longer than ever

[L33TFooMaster]

The increase in power and torque is not a mystery... it's not even hard to explain! Quite simply: an internal combustion engine wastes quite a bit of heat energy out the exhaust. By using the heat from the exhaust to create steam and then inject it into the engine, you are RECYCLING the wasted energy, thus giving it another chance to do work.

You may also consider pre-heating your feed water with engine coolant (heat exchanger) then flashing it with exhaust heat.

[L33TFooMaster]

There is no HHO being produced, there is no "free energy mystery" or other mumbo-jumbo. Just simple thermodynamics.

Remember: an engine is not a "pressure" engine, it is a heat engine!

[gerhube2000]

ur coment is stupid becos u are not helping him neither he is on the right track better than hho

[L33TFooMaster]

I agree, he IS on the right tack. The downfall of the internal combustion engine is all of the wasted heat!

And no, there is ABSOLUTELY no "free energy" here. HHO is also not the driving principle here either.

Call me stupid if you wish, but my opinion won't change until you can PROVE me wrong. Go on, ask any physicist if there's "free energy"!

[samandlauz]

You are right. An engine looses 70% of its thermodynamic efficiency through heat. Some very expensive engines such as the ones in F1 are a bit more efficient as they use ceramic parts in the engines to reduce heat loss. There is something being tested at the moment called a 6 stroke engine which injects water after the exhaust stroke to make use of the waste heat.

[L33TFooMaster]

Yes! I've read about it, it's a great concept!

One thing I've been on about lately is the "heat of rejection". Basically, if your heat sink (read: engine block) is x tempurature, and the thermal enegery released by combustion is y, then y-x energy is lost and not made into work.

The block can only "reject" x amount of heat, everything else is waste.

This is proven. Modern engines have a higher operating temperature, and also a higher thermal efficiency.

[gerhube2000]

give me ur email i will send something to u so that u can keep ur grease muth shut u are backward u lin on what people has already done that is ur big problem

[samandlauz]

No, I do look at new inventions and theories, but I reject ones that defy the laws of physics. Plus I am not going to give you my email address, you can post it on here.

If you have actually defied the laws of physics then tell me. What car have you used, what engine, what is your power and torque output, what is your fuel economy and what modifications you have done to it. Go on, amuse me.

[gerhube2000]

i think u reason like my dog better so u chat my dog not me

[gerhube2000]

bitch u think i will gett angry ashow u something strahge u have never seen? i will not i know who u are try someone else looser ur dick is missing tht is why u can not get get any idea of what of step i gave u big looser dont write again asshole

[samandlauz]

Listen you retarded pathetic little excuse for human being. You can not run your car on water. End of, stop trying to con people.

[gerhube2000]

u are right i was lieing, u are great im a looser are u happy now?

[samandlauz]

Yep

[tuvoca]

Don't get so angry... it makes people want to laugh at you and not take you seriously.

[tuvoca]

Face it, gerhube2000 -- you got pwned.

[gerhube2000]

so get lost asshole u know not but just bench wormer at school u have noting to contribut to this world

[samandlauz]

Look, if it was possible, F1 would already be using it right now. They spend millions on engine research and development. Plus you haven't answered my question or proved me wrong. I suggest you go back to school or read a book on the laws of physics. Prove to me that you can set fire to pure water and I will believe you, but I know for a fact that water is not combustible, therefore it will not work in a petrol engine.

[gerhube2000]

please answer this question for me what is crude oil? is it flamable? when refind what do get out of it? were is kerosine from? were is petrol from? etc what state is water? when u refine it how many good state can u get out of it? listen i dont know who u are and what ur plans are it not possible to use water as fuel good for u so take it that way bye

[samandlauz]

crude oil flammable? yes it is. water isnt, so whats your point? also you might want to learn some english.

[VE3n0m]

First of all, gosh!

F1 spend alot on research and development, but still street cars was the first cars to use the KERS system? So is it not possible that a street car can be first to use steam in addition with fule to get better performance out of a car?

You are not defining the laws if physics, you are just fooling the ECU i beleave. You add different mixtures of air/fule ratios then it's used to and the ECU pushes more juice into the engine, thus giving more power. Chip modding is better tho?

[samandlauz]

Back in the 80s turbo era they used to use water injection which is the same principle.

[VE3n0m]

Heard some rumours about the steam also "cools" the system down even tho it's "hot" thus giving you oportunity to cream out more power without the engine running hotter?

[samandlauz]

It cools combustion down certainly and reduces the risk of knock or pre-detonation. If you look up water injection it will come up with some sites like the aquamist site which tells you quite a bit about it. The only downsides to this is that it could potentially corrode the engines internals and you also need another tank for the water to come from.

[tuvoca]

Go see a therapist about that.

[gerhube2000]

u need some fucking in the ass what is H2 and what is hho and what is the plasma state of water? were are u from? what villege do u study? do u study in the 3rd world country better look for 4th world to study u are not fit to study in 2nd world nor 1st world countries. if u are dont mention it

[samandlauz]

Hydrogen is not steam you idiot. Its still the compound of H20 except because its over 100 degrees its in the form of a gas, but its not flammable. Hydrogen you can run a car on. But the power it takes to make the hydrogen from water is more then the engines output. You can get an engine to run on hydrogen if you have another tank for it and it comes from a pump, but it cannot be created to run itself. And no I am not from a poor country, I am from the UK, home of things like the Jet engine.

[tuvoca]

gerhube2000 - It's really hard to respect your emotional incontinence. You seem to get off on being angry and hostile. I don't even think you care about the topic and that you are just spamming us. Go do something that really fits your level of ability -- like learning your mother tongue.

[VE3n0m]

Hu? o0

Flamers, never really understood if they simply score lower on an IQ test then a fish or if they just lack a brain to begin with.

Learn English before you try to correct someone twat -.-

Think Ill have a look on the mechanics behind this on my Opel Speedster with a B234R engine. Might give nice results.

[gerhube2000]

rely on ur physicist is he not somebody like u? why not u work and ur own and change some old theorem that is not right, inventors are human like u. listen i dont want to waste time chatting with u cos u will add noting to improve the world.

[L33TFooMaster]

Wrong. Science is built entirely on proving -- or disproving -- the ideas of others. "Changing some old theorem" is exactly what science is.

If you can provide proof of your claim that you get extract free energy out of anything, then that's sceince. But if you can't show proof -- no working models, no math, no evidence -- then your claim is moot and you're blowing steam.

Any inventor, scientist, physicist (ad infinitum) will ask for proof.

[videoeer]

I applaud your effort at tinkering with this but isn't it more simply water vapor than steam by the time the engine gets it? There's no pressure to the steam, right?

[urfree]

Thanks for posting this video ShadowWorks. I like music playing in the background. What is it?

[honda4004]

mint funny thing is ,like when a headgasket is weeping you get better performance forabit .but i expect needs to be mixed at a proper proportion tofuelasalloy pistons may faulter or bore inners pitted ,as you get when running a headgasket weeping engine.just suggestions melvin

[babaluto]

Nice video. I view steam(water vapor) effectiveness being directly related to the REDOX or ORP of the water before it is vaporized. Some of your observations could be related to intake air density which can be difficult to manipulate throughout the summer/winter changes but IMHO, it is the state of the water before it vaporizes which makes a big difference.

[babaluto]

Nice video. I view steam(water vapor) effectiveness being directly related to the REDOX or ORP of the water before it is vaporized. Some of your observations could be related to intake air density which can be difficult to manipulate throughout the summer/winter changes but IMHO, it is the state of the water before it vaporizes which makes a big difference.

[OriginalUncleNemo]

Great video! The amount of steam you are using is probably not enough to cool the Catalytic convertor enough to stop it from working. To test this, just measure the temperature on the CAT and see if it is greater that 600 degrees F. If it is, the CAT is fine. GREAT JOB!

[higherpoweredh2o]

he has no cat. and by the way the outlet temp has to be min of 50-100 degrees f hotter than the inlet. 600 degrees is actually quite cold. egt on a gas motor go as high as 1500 so heat tranfer can make a cat as hot as 1000 with it hollowed out. temperature differential is the way to check the cat.

[higherpoweredh2o]

The steam cools down the egts and makes the catalytic converter not work anymore so the steam will be reduced out the tail pipe. you would be better off putting steam upstream of turbo unless your steamer can output over the amount of manifold pressure. Also be carefull not to add too much steam, it can do damage. With the steam you will be able too run cheap gas instead of premium also. :) good video 5 stars

[GeorgeArroyoGrandeCA]

How do you determine what is too much steam ?

[higherpoweredh2o]

Basically you have to use an egt guage to fine tune a steam injection. It does take alot for damage to occur. I just finished a setup for the suburban using cold fog and its about 3 lph vaporized. will do a vid later on that exp.

[ShadowWorks]

Good theory but this engine has no Catalytic convert, No Lamda or 02 sensor either, I will have to buy a infra red thermometer to test the EGT as I don't know what is happening.

[higherpoweredh2o]

So you are always open loop? If so what appears to be water vapor in exhaust may be over rich condition. If thats the case the increased vacuum when stream applied will lean out mixture. increased vacuum means less fuel. The vac boost gauge is an excellent instant mpg gauge. Guess its really hard for me to tell whats coming out your exhaust on the video. good test none the less. I would be interested in egt at wot and wideband readings if and when that info is avail.

[GeorgeArroyoGrandeCA]

There's a lot of pollutants in the exhaust since there's no Cat., O2, etc.

Does steam cause a better gas burn like HHO ? And will an infrared thermometer work as good as an EGT probe installed in the exhaust manifold ?

Thanks again Rob for your master mechanic expertise.

Blessing, George

[GeorgeArroyoGrandeCA]

After thinking about it some, I can probably answer my own questions as found below in my previous post.

No, an infrared themometer won't work in the place of an installed EGT guage because EGT's need monitored continously, especially at wot and load conditions, ie going up a grade. Infrared only provides a snapshot of EGT's at idle and wot which is not sufficient enough for fine tuning the steam volume.

Exactly how steam increases effiency is still a mystery. HHO may be produced at spark.

[stevon78]

Yes, George, I feel you are correct about HHO being produced at the spark. Has anyone seen the spark plug boys and their PLASMA spark that increases when they MIST some water onto the plug ends? It amps up the spark volume by many factors--say ten--and that would explain the increase. I remember reading that Stan Meyer USED STEAM in his super spark plug, which instantly converted the steam to HHO as it hit the plasma field and went into the combustion chamber--*BANG!* This makes sense!

[rufyellowbird]

I have been experimenting with a new coil heater on the down pipe to make true Superheated Dry Steam @ 200+ Degress Celsius with less than 5% water, this should not condense into water or mist in the intake, from all the patents I have read this is better for the engine? this is all new to me.

[rufyellowbird]

The steam once in the cylinder is expanding more under combustion and giving more force on the piston?

[MrJamHood]

Very interesting. I have no idea myself, being an dumbass when it comes to anything wven close to engines, but I've posted this vid on a SAAB forum in Sweden where many pro's reside.

Hopefully someone can answer and discuss it more. If they don't answer themselves I'll get back.