To those who are saying that this weir is safe; you need to be more careful about what you post. A newbie could see your comment and decide that a local weir is 'safe' without weighing up the dangers. A weirs danger is relative to a persons individual skill and experiences. A playboater might feel at home sitting in a weir like this whereas a newbie in a displacement hull club boat would find this terrifying and will take a backward progression, not helping their comfort zone. See you out there.
It's not a dam it's just a wier and a pretty low one at that. The guy that was guiding him out looked competent enough to go in and get him if anything went to bad. The guys filming would no doubt have throw bags. Plus it was a local river so they would have known if the stopper was a fully retentive or a major risk.
@Kanukante2810 River Don, Sheffield, England - Doesn't look anything like that 99% of the time, only when it flooded majorly a couple of years back, this was a few days after the floods.
Ssssssooooo lucky! You had no rescue equipment (at least visibly accesable), no common sense, and NO business running this!I hate to RE-overstate the obvious, but running low head dams is ignorant. There was a safer line on river right, but still,a statistic waiting to happen.
My son was killed at one of these in VA - how incredibly stupid to do this on purpose - These dams must be removed from all rivers - thousands are killed each year!!
@scvolpejr weirs are fine as long as weirs like this one have a 'weak' spot in them to escape. Alot of weirs here in the UK have been given 'weak' spots either by angling them in a way that will let swimmers and boats out or have had sections blown out of them again to make sure that there is a spot in which someone could escape.
im willing to assume that these guys knew the area pretty well and this level doesnt look nasty anyway, even if that could hold a boat im sure a swimmer would flush
Well about setting up safety, there was a guy with a videocamera on shore - he might also have had a throwbag (not seen and not needed, although the escape route for the trapped guy was kinda the other shore he started well withn throw range).
About running lowhead dams - I mean, see for yourself, it worked for two of the guys, but you can really get worked quick by having to sidesurf this thing across its whole length.. so tedious and tiring if your lucky enough to get out at all..
There's an awful lot of unhelpful ranting against this clip.
The guy goes too far left and doesn't pull himself through with a stroke upon impact.
However once in the sh~t he stays composed and gradually works his way to the outflow. He maintains good edge and stays upright the whole time.
Maybe there wasn't much to be gained from running the weir or taking the line they did but the clip shows what to do if you find youself in same situation. kudos for putting it up. Glad eveyone was ok.
Sorry Cncobsession, but running dumb shit is not "pushing the limits" especially when the line is clearly far right where the guy finally does exit the hole. The only reason he made it is because the weir was designed with an outflow on river right. otherwise he'd be another statistic and another jackass making boaters look bad out there.
Great moves to deal with a situation that will be experienced by any whitewater boater. Yes the dam is a dangerous place but not unrunnable as was shown. Actually quite mild if the problem is dealt with calmly, panic never helps. In 10 more years this will be a mere play hole. I remember when all boats were 13'1" and what people said were the limits. Thank god nobody listened then either. Proper technique was used in this video, learn from it. Kayaks beat open boats in big water, period!
If the yellow boater near the toe back had a short sling he could toss it to the victim and then drift ds pulling em out. Super useful whem swimming is not an option.
1. Running low-head dams like this is very dangerous. Canoe or kayak, doesn't make much difference. The flooded hydraulic jump creates a roller than pulls boats and people in and then pulls you down. A PFD won't really help you, the water is too powerful.
2. Kayaks do FEEL less tippy because you are sitting lower. A properly loaded canoe, though, often will have a lot of secondary stability -- past the initial wobble, the canoe will stay upright, whereas the kayak will just roll.
haha, so you know about canoes by owning a kayak. Better go get a single stick and learn to boat, especially in this situation open boats just go over the towback while kayaks get stuck.. I'd say open boats are better suited for whitewater but people avoid them because they afford technique to master. Actually, this third guy did quite well, too ;D
Does he approach too far river-left? It looks as though he hits an eddy that takes him into the towback zone. Notice the first two paddlers approach from nearer the middle of the river.
i think that this is a very runnable peice of water for those who know what they are doing. people do die in weirs similar too this. the only thing i would like to ask is why no throwbags? on a weir such as this i would say they are mandatory.
that should not be regarded as deadly or dangerous its just white water. If he had not paddled out he would have swam out easy, been there done that. You guys in the USA are doing much more hardcore stuff.
I hate to say it, but if you keep paddling stuff like this, you will regret it. I'm glad everything worked out ok, and that was a good surf. But he got SERIOUSLY lucky in getting out unharmed. Drops like that aren't worth the danger involved. End of story
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There's no danger in a weir like that!?? If you kayak you'll know that a weir can only kick you out one way, just side-surf it and look for a weak point, (prefrably the end of the weir) and get out there. If weir's weren't safe, people wouldn't run them. Think about what the fuck you say, BEFORE you say it!
Wiers can be dangerous!!! Think bout what your saying before you say it!!! Yes in this case its runable, but i have seen many Wiers that are not - e.g. Halton Wier in high water - i'd like to see ya paddle that 1!!! closed stopper with bout 2m tow back n a re-cirulating flow behind that!!! Do some reading up mate!
Many wiers will also have metal spikes protruding and debris caught!!!
We all like a gud paddle but SAFETY HAS TO COME FIRST!!!!
thats at least a ten metre towback, the only reason the other two didn't get trapped is because they're in creekers, oh and to jeddy, no whitewater you say....... have you been to torver beck recently?
10 metres lmao thats ridiculous. that maybe a weak 3ft towback. Get your fact right. If that was a 10 meter towback boats wouldent matter, your dead. End of.
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It's a lowhead. all the boaters in this video suck. why would you stop paddling? I guess the fact that there is no whitewater in UK makes the Brits suck at paddling...
I got caught in a stopper recently, except it was in a racing boat that was completely unsuited to me and the stopper was much bigger. In a GP/playboat, the stopper in this video would have been piss easy to get out of.
14 people died a few days ago in Slovenia on a river Sava after getting caught in the current at a hydroelectric power plant in construction. This dams are killing machines, once they catch you the current will just keep you in circles...Don't play on them
@keenanwaeschle white water kayakers are thrill seekers they try and find the hardest rivers to run thats why they ran the Don, i've done that dam myself and its not that bad, they all made it fine so not much of a deathtrap is it?
The paddler must have a strong shoulders since a High Brace is not the best stroke in this situation! Well shot, classic action, interesting narration. Glad I was there!
Uh, what would you do if you were dumb enough to run the low head dam and not paddle through the falls? A low brace isn't going to get you anywhere. A j-stroke would look about the same and accomplish essentially what the paddler did, ferry to one side to get out.
To those who are saying that this weir is safe; you need to be more careful about what you post. A newbie could see your comment and decide that a local weir is 'safe' without weighing up the dangers. A weirs danger is relative to a persons individual skill and experiences. A playboater might feel at home sitting in a weir like this whereas a newbie in a displacement hull club boat would find this terrifying and will take a backward progression, not helping their comfort zone. See you out there.
MrJasefox 3 weeks ago
very scary. seeing him in that for so long is terrifying.
efiorentino1024 3 weeks ago
It's a small weir with a stopper. He was fine and probably would have washed out if he swam.
PoSSeSSeD82 1 month ago
It looks like a fun stopper to me, I think I would quite happily get stuck in it on purpose
davebrads 3 months ago
It's not a dam it's just a wier and a pretty low one at that. The guy that was guiding him out looked competent enough to go in and get him if anything went to bad. The guys filming would no doubt have throw bags. Plus it was a local river so they would have known if the stopper was a fully retentive or a major risk.
wetbivybag 4 months ago
dumb asses
Techie0119 4 months ago
Where is it? I think Monschau, Germany
Kanukante2810 5 months ago
@Kanukante2810 River Don, Sheffield, England - Doesn't look anything like that 99% of the time, only when it flooded majorly a couple of years back, this was a few days after the floods.
sp3nc33r 3 months ago
If you are going to run a dam, PADDLE , PADDLE, PADDLE,,FFS, DON'T STOP AS SOON AS YOU HIT THE FOAM.
But these, as every one else has said, are dangerous, but hats off to the leader for keeping him calm and talking to him..
ROTABAT 5 months ago
Ssssssooooo lucky! You had no rescue equipment (at least visibly accesable), no common sense, and NO business running this!I hate to RE-overstate the obvious, but running low head dams is ignorant. There was a safer line on river right, but still,a statistic waiting to happen.
jo3tag 5 months ago
My son was killed at one of these in VA - how incredibly stupid to do this on purpose - These dams must be removed from all rivers - thousands are killed each year!!
scvolpejr 5 months ago
@scvolpejr weirs are fine as long as weirs like this one have a 'weak' spot in them to escape. Alot of weirs here in the UK have been given 'weak' spots either by angling them in a way that will let swimmers and boats out or have had sections blown out of them again to make sure that there is a spot in which someone could escape.
MrJasefox 3 weeks ago
This is my local river, the water underneath isnt that deep, and all these are experiance paddlers. There wasnt a very high risk at all :)
Brappznd 6 months ago
fucking retards at play right there. who the fuck runs a low head dam? Darwin award.
outOFthePITT 7 months ago 9
im willing to assume that these guys knew the area pretty well and this level doesnt look nasty anyway, even if that could hold a boat im sure a swimmer would flush
MrHappyfuntimeskayak 7 months ago
Well about setting up safety, there was a guy with a videocamera on shore - he might also have had a throwbag (not seen and not needed, although the escape route for the trapped guy was kinda the other shore he started well withn throw range).
About running lowhead dams - I mean, see for yourself, it worked for two of the guys, but you can really get worked quick by having to sidesurf this thing across its whole length.. so tedious and tiring if your lucky enough to get out at all..
mahyongg 7 months ago
retards
rawders 8 months ago
damn that damn dam
Imachowderhead 9 months ago
This should be called how to commit suicied in a river!!
ohiocanalgirl 9 months ago
Seriously? Running a low head dam is just plain stupid, you're lucky that one wasn't very strong.
walkerte3 10 months ago 3
really stupid. dont mess with dams
matthewpaul0007 10 months ago
watching shit you should do on facebook,
not in the kayak on the river,
then you should act (or better set up safety first)
maudchica 11 months ago
Look at the boil line. These guys give paddlers a bad name. Run something real.
asrielle12 1 year ago
There's an awful lot of unhelpful ranting against this clip.
The guy goes too far left and doesn't pull himself through with a stroke upon impact.
However once in the sh~t he stays composed and gradually works his way to the outflow. He maintains good edge and stays upright the whole time.
Maybe there wasn't much to be gained from running the weir or taking the line they did but the clip shows what to do if you find youself in same situation. kudos for putting it up. Glad eveyone was ok.
KayakBloke 1 year ago 5
hhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa owned he to weak
benaschenbrenner 1 year ago
retards
ZZombyWooff 1 year ago
looks like a party
tremayne6489 1 year ago
Sorry Cncobsession, but running dumb shit is not "pushing the limits" especially when the line is clearly far right where the guy finally does exit the hole. The only reason he made it is because the weir was designed with an outflow on river right. otherwise he'd be another statistic and another jackass making boaters look bad out there.
dremarques 1 year ago
You Should NEVER. Run a weir. Dunno what they call them in the states. A low head damn I am guessing.
But it creates what is called a hydraulic jump.
slobhinav 1 year ago
this is not a safe thing to do
ohiocanalgirl 1 year ago
Great moves to deal with a situation that will be experienced by any whitewater boater. Yes the dam is a dangerous place but not unrunnable as was shown. Actually quite mild if the problem is dealt with calmly, panic never helps. In 10 more years this will be a mere play hole. I remember when all boats were 13'1" and what people said were the limits. Thank god nobody listened then either. Proper technique was used in this video, learn from it. Kayaks beat open boats in big water, period!
CncObsession 1 year ago
If the yellow boater near the toe back had a short sling he could toss it to the victim and then drift ds pulling em out. Super useful whem swimming is not an option.
paulcarus 1 year ago
And that is an example of one reason why you shouldn't run low head dams.
SquirrelGirl72 1 year ago
Think he totally mastered the Situation. But very risky, no need to repeat.
andik2000 1 year ago
1. Running low-head dams like this is very dangerous. Canoe or kayak, doesn't make much difference. The flooded hydraulic jump creates a roller than pulls boats and people in and then pulls you down. A PFD won't really help you, the water is too powerful.
2. Kayaks do FEEL less tippy because you are sitting lower. A properly loaded canoe, though, often will have a lot of secondary stability -- past the initial wobble, the canoe will stay upright, whereas the kayak will just roll.
MikeB3542 1 year ago
evolution at work: dum people get killed so that they wont pollute the human gene
ZZombyWooff 1 year ago
The third guy almost died. why would you try this? especially in such a small tip able boat?
Ynehc 1 year ago
@Ynehc no these boats arent "tip able" at all there kayaks btw canoes are the tip able ones. i kno i own a kayak :)
MicroMouse007 1 year ago
@MicroMouse007
haha, so you know about canoes by owning a kayak. Better go get a single stick and learn to boat, especially in this situation open boats just go over the towback while kayaks get stuck.. I'd say open boats are better suited for whitewater but people avoid them because they afford technique to master. Actually, this third guy did quite well, too ;D
mahyongg 1 year ago
@mahyongg i have a canoe too im not a dumbass, and i hate canoes there so tpable and stuff
MicroMouse007 1 year ago
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@Ynehc no these boats arent "tip able" at all there kayaks btw canoes are the tip able ones. i kno i own a kayak :)
MicroMouse007 1 year ago
@Ynehc how did he almost die we do this on purpose in our kayak club
corkkayaker 1 year ago
and if you are going to run it at least look for the outflow which is obviously river right... giving kayakers a bad name..
dremarques 1 year ago
wow. dumb.
applefries32 1 year ago
dumbass yelling paddle just bout got his buddy killed
HiWay69s 1 year ago
dude your such a idiot a wier is like a liquid chopping block!
CHOZification 1 year ago
you are retarted
TheMonsterLiam 1 year ago
How f'ing stupid are you? You're going to kill yourself pulling this shit.
Tokey1986 1 year ago
What a bunch of morons!
paddleboy84 1 year ago
Does he approach too far river-left? It looks as though he hits an eddy that takes him into the towback zone. Notice the first two paddlers approach from nearer the middle of the river.
TechnoEngineer 2 years ago
Don't mess with weirs, they are silent killers...
lumberjacklifestyle 2 years ago
Bottom line here is, the drop itself isn't worth the risk involved. Kayakers who are familiar with low head dams know what I'm talking about.
j2owilson 2 years ago 4
i think that this is a very runnable peice of water for those who know what they are doing. people do die in weirs similar too this. the only thing i would like to ask is why no throwbags? on a weir such as this i would say they are mandatory.
realtambo 2 years ago 3
Not very smart running that ! good way to get killed !
bigbrutemudder 2 years ago
your stupid for running that. and its pretty obvious that no one there had the equipment to pull somone out of the weir- alive or dead.
sjamieson7812 2 years ago 3
Someone should teach him how to low-brace!
It would've been a joyful ride
mickmorrell 2 years ago
that should not be regarded as deadly or dangerous its just white water. If he had not paddled out he would have swam out easy, been there done that. You guys in the USA are doing much more hardcore stuff.
Peace out and be safe.
donohue100 2 years ago
True that.
Enough hull speed, a brace, and a couple full draws and you'd be out of that np.
kyleKAB00M 2 years ago
actually wrong. his hull speed made his bow dive deep to resurface right at the weir. the other high rode slow and high and over the foam pile.
eastcoastsurfer06 2 years ago
pfff,
build a ramp and jump it.
hahahaha
kyleKAB00M 2 years ago
doooooooouch bag.
rubidiumstud 2 years ago
What we fear as deadly in the U.S. the Brits enjoy and deal with - well done!
strika62 2 years ago
I hate to say it, but if you keep paddling stuff like this, you will regret it. I'm glad everything worked out ok, and that was a good surf. But he got SERIOUSLY lucky in getting out unharmed. Drops like that aren't worth the danger involved. End of story
mchg0988 2 years ago 2
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There's no danger in a weir like that!?? If you kayak you'll know that a weir can only kick you out one way, just side-surf it and look for a weak point, (prefrably the end of the weir) and get out there. If weir's weren't safe, people wouldn't run them. Think about what the fuck you say, BEFORE you say it!
k7842 2 years ago
Wiers can be dangerous!!! Think bout what your saying before you say it!!! Yes in this case its runable, but i have seen many Wiers that are not - e.g. Halton Wier in high water - i'd like to see ya paddle that 1!!! closed stopper with bout 2m tow back n a re-cirulating flow behind that!!! Do some reading up mate!
Many wiers will also have metal spikes protruding and debris caught!!!
We all like a gud paddle but SAFETY HAS TO COME FIRST!!!!
andycalland 2 years ago 6
That's not true. You obviously aren't that experienced. A man made weir can have no week point and can hold a boat for as long it it pleases.
wetbivybag 2 years ago
Your talking crap, end of story.
KayakinPaul 2 years ago
It's places like this that causes sad singing and slow walking.
Glad to see that all is well.
slowcrow69 2 years ago
lmao 10metre tow back hahaha... 3max! and if its so sticky why didnt you guys just run river right if theres a break out point oer there...?
kearneyakastaples 2 years ago
thats at least a ten metre towback, the only reason the other two didn't get trapped is because they're in creekers, oh and to jeddy, no whitewater you say....... have you been to torver beck recently?
cdtrussbcoy 2 years ago
10 metres lmao thats ridiculous. that maybe a weak 3ft towback. Get your fact right. If that was a 10 meter towback boats wouldent matter, your dead. End of.
KayakinPaul 2 years ago 12
good vid, i think every paddler knows that feeling, nearly out, nearly there, just ... one ...more ....stroke..... AH here we go again!!!
jaws7298 2 years ago 4
Good recovery, and fair play to his mate who stayed beside him and guided him out!
jix177 3 years ago 3
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It's a lowhead. all the boaters in this video suck. why would you stop paddling? I guess the fact that there is no whitewater in UK makes the Brits suck at paddling...
jeddy44j 3 years ago
what gives you the right to say that?
your just an arragent person who obviuosly doesnt get out paddling much.
and if you are going to fight back, i paddle nearly every day on classic british white water
charlesblyth 2 years ago
I agree with Charles, your arrogant and i'd like to see a vid of you paddling..
KayakinPaul 2 years ago
Dave florence?
downsey1691 2 years ago
i sware it's a weir not a dam
aria230 3 years ago
a weir is a type of dam
Geckoforhire 3 years ago
you are right, but a weir is something called a low head dam
charlesblyth 2 years ago
Darwin's law, ottta the gene pool dumb ass..
rpmkayak 3 years ago
fuckin dumbasses
blazin9683 3 years ago
hydrolics scare me in kayaking :(
geod5 3 years ago
stupid, stupid, stupid.. never paddle a dam..its just to dangerous...
Aerofil123 3 years ago
pleeeaaassse!
embudo1 3 years ago
not necessarily, we do it all the time
talkto20john 3 years ago
very good bracing would he have drowned if he had even got out of his boat but capsised?
drumhead95 3 years ago
no...but it wouldnt be plesant
aria230 3 years ago 4
Is this Bolham weir on the Exe?
chrisdw2110 3 years ago
That's good bracing strength but you shouldnt paddle lowhead damns
Burningpoodle 3 years ago
Damn lucky, could have ended badly...
BrettHoustonTube 3 years ago
people who died in Slovenia on river Sava this summer R.I.P
AdrenalinDependent 3 years ago
I got caught in a stopper recently, except it was in a racing boat that was completely unsuited to me and the stopper was much bigger. In a GP/playboat, the stopper in this video would have been piss easy to get out of.
spawnoftoaster 3 years ago
THE DROWNING MACHINE!!!!!!!!! (better not fall out of your boat xp)
halfpipefreak 3 years ago
stupid to be running that.. but awesome surf!
Akrammen 3 years ago
WOW,lucky guy!
peca90c1 3 years ago
Been there and it is scary he was lucky
wwwelvisandscotsman 3 years ago
oooh should be pretty scary if your in it..... but pretty funny =P
gifventje 3 years ago
not to smart that damn is a drowning machine
czechkayaker 3 years ago 2
I have never seen such idiots in my hole life.. Im just glad he came out allright... dams like that makes me piss my pants.. I would never do that
Aerofil123 3 years ago 3
not smart dudes
JBattaile 3 years ago 2
14 people died a few days ago in Slovenia on a river Sava after getting caught in the current at a hydroelectric power plant in construction. This dams are killing machines, once they catch you the current will just keep you in circles...Don't play on them
aosfive 3 years ago 4
I'll take a 30 foot waterfall over that idiot trap. I suggest you take a swiftwater rescue training class before hitting that again.
romannelson 3 years ago 2
Fucking douchebags!!!! Zomggz0r
tomhayward99 3 years ago
What the hells wrong with you? lowhead dams are not supposed to be run because they are deathtraps, dumbshit.
keenanwaeschle 4 years ago 48
@keenanwaeschle white water kayakers are thrill seekers they try and find the hardest rivers to run thats why they ran the Don, i've done that dam myself and its not that bad, they all made it fine so not much of a deathtrap is it?
ENGEDMUI 1 year ago
hey i recognize you guys you were in the crazy whitwater kayaker beatdown vid too weren't you;)
ahanger 4 years ago
Why the hell are you going over a low head dam?
MacavityF 4 years ago 7
The paddler must have a strong shoulders since a High Brace is not the best stroke in this situation! Well shot, classic action, interesting narration. Glad I was there!
TENSEG 5 years ago
Uh, what would you do if you were dumb enough to run the low head dam and not paddle through the falls? A low brace isn't going to get you anywhere. A j-stroke would look about the same and accomplish essentially what the paddler did, ferry to one side to get out.
romannelson 3 years ago
What happened dude....
Good stamina
elpenguin0 5 years ago