I think what is even more impressive is that nobody said anything about the tomahawk missiles shot on Libya costing 1 Million dollars each, at 50k a year salary you could pay 1 teacher 20 years with one missile, some news said over 300 missiles have been shot.
I was barking up the same tree a few months back as reflected in my videos, but the proposed 3% tax hike on the rich never saw the light of day, & along with all the layoffs in Wisconsin, it's time to advocate for an alternative.
"Stop throwing hookers in jail, Stop the war on drugs!"
The majority of Americans are still socially conservative. You got about as much chance seeing those policies scrapped as I have seeing my experiment take place.
Rich will get more and more tax cuts, and then i got guys like you asking:
"what, you're gonna concentrate only on one class here? the higher class? that ain't right"
... Seriously mate, the middle class has been marginalized and shrinking over the last decade and before that. Average wages have been stagnating, and you are complaining about concentrating on the upper class only?
For the record, my father was a high school teacher for 30 years and his state pension is a vital part of his income. So there's my bias. And, of course, class war rules - as long as the right side wins. :D
I am guessing you were a bright, driven and very motivated student. I was such a student as well. Not everybody is that though. You seem to disregard the psychology of students, of young people. They are not so mature yet. I think part of the studying could be done on the internet and with books, but teachers (good ones) are necessary and group studying, with other students, is helpful too.
In capitalism there will always be recessions, it's in the interest of workers to protest, so they do.
@dewinthemorning "I am guessing you were a bright, driven and very motivated student"
Oh heavens no. The classes were 80 minutes long. By grade 11, I hardly ever attended. It really did feel like a prison to me, & there were many others in my shoes, wasting all that time instead of being allowed to have a wider range of options compared to the same ABC, year after year. I doubt my grade 12 proposal for online expansion is limited due to immaturity. Here, 18 = Objectively Mature Adulthood :)
@AntiBullshitMan The key word in that phrase is "objectively." But people vary. MHO is that de-schooling is fine, provided you're dealing with a motivated individual he can show his stuff w/o the external trappings of a classroom, teachers, and fellow students. If this honor system is tried it must be earned, with the right to mandate the student's return to a traditional setting if he slips up.
"de-schooling is fine, provided you're dealing with a motivated individual"
That's why I would invest even more money in education & compensate the teachers generously with results-based bonuses (the better the kids do, the more money the teacher gets). The difference between a good teacher and a bad one is reflected in your motivation to learn. A shitty teacher can put off even the most willing-to-learn kid. And a good teacher can make the dullest subject seem interesting.
And I am all for letting home-schooled kids take the oral and written exams and have an equal opportunity to get their degree if they are capable of it. But these responsible, highly motivated-on-their-own kids represent a small fraction of ALL kids. So yeah, I would invest a lot more in institutionalized schooling, even compensate the kids with money for their results too (they would have a trust fund they'd be able to access once they turn 18, that's to avoid the parents exploiting them).
i've been activist promoter of an "student trust fund" compensation pay for results performance as incentive to energize them to excellence.
ready-made college scholarship fund for poor kids after HS ; )
one of the Left political organizations my father lobbies for and contributes to, has that new kind of student fund program as one of its primary mission tier.
your idea is being proposed more and more despite resistance. i love your idea ; )
"highly motivated-on-their-own kids represent a small fraction of ALLkids"I don't believed this claim.I think all children are motivated to learn.Learning and curiosity begins the moment we are bornand continues to grow and developed as we grow into children and eventually into adults.Learning and curiosity are notsuddenly expressed in us the moment we attend school. The problem is, children are not encourageto pursue their own self-interests but rather push 2 learn subjects they dont care about
@ZOMGitsCriss Of course, there's a catch-22 in that: a good education system shunting its best students out of the classroom is ultimately downsizing itself. That's ABM's point, & one he endorses. Another hitch is that those who believe the most in de-schooling want to defund public education itself; those who care the most have a vested interest in its institution. In poor-neighborhood US schools basic discipline and attendance are also major problems.
"a good education system shunting its best students out of the classroom is ultimately downsizing itself"
The students who are able to study on their own are nor necessarily the best. There are many "gifted" kids with great potential who are simply not disciplined/organized enough to be self-taught.
"In poor-neighborhood US schools basic discipline and attendance are also major problems."
And I'm all for finding solutions to IMPROVE public education (like a money motivator)
"And I'm all for finding solutions to IMPROVE public education (like a money motivator)" The problem is , we have been throwing money at public schools for about forty years and yet the test cscores remain stagnant. District of Columbia has a pretty high student expenditure, yet they rank the lowest in education. The united states has one of the highest student expenditures in the world, yet ranks the lowest in general academic performance compared to all the oecd nations.
"those who care the most have a vested interest in its institution."
Btw...I don't understand what you mean by "vested interest". I believe education is crucial to the progress and wellbeing of any society. I also think that teachers play an essential role in that, even if I am all for technological progress. There are plenty of assholes making shit loads of money by delivering useless crap products and exploiting workers. I see no point in ragging on teachers, out of all things.
@ZOMGitsCriss There's no question of teachers' vital role. I'm referring to the conflict between the current educational system & deschoolers, as in ABM's video. Those who care the most about the institutional school system defend it, with all its faults, because of course it's their jobs at stake as well as a vital service to society. Those who want to break it down point to all its failures for scrapping the whole system. I think ABM's throwing babies out w/ bathwater here.
Oh, but there is. Since *some* people believe that teachers are just selfish, useless greedy cunts who are nothing but redundant in the light of the awesome internet. I know my comments may seem hostile but I have a very good reason for that.
"There are plenty of assholes making shit loads of money by delivering useless crap products and exploiting workers. I see no point in ragging on teachers, out of all things." There are also plenty of teachers distributing inaccurate information to there students. Ever heard of the book, lies my teachers told me? This book documents many historical and economic inaccuracies that are often presented in popular textbooks. At least with the internet, you can discern between good info and bad info.
Perhaps teachers they do. owever,what makes you think that public school teachers most have to play that role for the majority of the population? There are plenty of teachers online who don't have a formal degreeand that do have a degree, I delivering their pedagogical methods to people fore free. Just the other day, A kid presented an effective way to do any digit multiplication(/watch?v=JcZsN3b-BvU&feature=channel_video_title) that doesn't involved memorizing but did not learn this in school
You really do demonstrate you don't really follow the issue. The unions agreed to the cuts in the first week, under the condition that they don't take away their rights.
By rejecting that deal the Imperial Walker proved it's not about the budget, but it's entirely political. Also the three unions that rooted for him during the elections are exempt.
Did I mention that before Walker pushed through corporate tax cuts WI budget was scheduled for a surplus?
The issue I have in mind in much bigger than the current status of the Walker case. In the weeks leading up to this video, I was repeatedly asked for my opinion on the goings on in Wisconsin, so I used them as a stepping stone towards the main course, that being the way education is done in general. I'd have scrapped any Wisconsin talk had I known that people were going to obsess over it to this extent, while ignoring everything else I talked about.
My understanding is that the unions were willing to negotiate a pay cut. What they couldn't stomach was the abrogation of their collective bargaining rights. I don't see anything wrong with everybody making sacrifices in rough times, but the sacrifices should be spread across the board and shared by every one according to their ability to pay. That is not what we are seeing in Wisconsin, and in many other places in the U.S. What is needed is not utopia, but justice and fairness.
Estate tax? Do you guys also have this weird construct in which you don't have to pay taxes over the interest of your mortgage, no matter how large it is? We do here in Holland, and it's bullshit.
To allude to tho developments as my homework is to miss the main point of this video. I was asked for my 2 cents on the protest issue & since I planned on doing a video about education reform anyway, I figured what better time to throw in my take on Wisconsin, than now. The underlying point stands.
"antibullshitwoman"
Yes... I am a woman for this video. How degrading to my manly pride to be thought of as one of those silly inferior creatures.
I'll try to address this in the next FTW, but I definitely won't unsubscribe on the basis of different opinions, unlike some of the folks here. I am a bit ashamed that some of the comments here do nothing but say "unsubscribe," "fail," and "fuck you." If you want to address the points, do it without having to resort to those tactics.
@bubbamickmac I didn't unsub due to a different opinion... I unsubbed due to all of the misinformation, verbal attacks against teachers, and the fact that the "Anti"bullshitman said pretty much nothing but bullshit in his entire video.
@bubbamickmac "I am a bit ashamed that some of the comments here do nothing but say "unsubscribe," "fail," and "fuck you." "
I said at the beginning of this video that people struck me as being overly emotional about this issue. Turns out I was more right than I initially thought. And don't be ashamed, this is the typical type of fallout we see anytime someone makes a video not rooting for the home team they were expected to root for based on previous videos. Nuance is unwelcome.
@AntiBullshitMan "Turns out I was more right than I initially thought."
Oh, please forgive us... it's not like we're emotional creatures or anything--- it's not like you're responding emotionally, right? You weren't pushing buttons here... no no... just being "honest". Right.
I'm sorry, couldn't watch the whole video as you requested due to the fact that you indeed did not "keep up" with what was and is going on in WI and at least 17 other states across the nation. There are far too many facts to address and ramification to the working class to point out and 500 characters won't get it..so to give a short comment..you're wrong.
The video is about education reform in general. The Wisconsin ordeal was merely the stepping stone I used to get to the big picture, since I was nagged to talk about the protests in a video. But suit yourself.
The redistribution of taxpayer money by ending the war on drugs, decriminalizing prostitution, reducing gov. officials "personal spendings", increasing the VAT on non-essential products, etc is NOT utopian. It is perfectly practical and achievable. The only reason it's not applicable yet is because the majority of people don't realize they are throwing their money away on counter-productive programs. And some of the few ones who do realize it, like you, dismiss the argument for bullshit reasons.
One last thing, since I was just reading how Walker plans to save $300 million over the next two year by stripping unions of collective bargaining rights .
The US military aid for Israel amounts to some $2.5 billion annually. This is tax money that no US citizen will ever benefit from. I guess we should all close our eyes to all these unjustified expenses and dismiss arguing against them as being "utopic" and "unrealistic" while applauding teacher's salaries getting cut. What a pile of crap :(
@ZOMGitsCriss how about legalizing hemp? How about eliminating all taxes. Google "crypto-anarchy". You'll want to learn all about it cause its happening whether people want it or not.
You are being utopian ZOMGitsCriss. You're right; it would be practical to end the war on drugs and legalise prostitution, but it's 0% likely. You can argue that the solution to a budget deficit is a course of action that is 0% likely.
If your solution to a short-term budget deficit is something that would require the complete liberal re-education of all American taxpayers, then you don't get to tell ABM that you're not being utopian.
@ZOMGitsCriss cris, your just another statheist, a socialist who stopped worshipping god and started worshipping the state, how dare you think I need to pay for a VAT
Whipping out Nazi cliches to argue your point? You have to be a plant pretending to be an anti-statist to reinforce all the nagative stereotypes about them.
Yes, all state law is analogous to auschwitz. You have figured it out.
Have fun not being taken seriously in any political debate you attempt injecting yourself in that's outside your little YT cult. Though I'm sure you're used to it by now.
1. Reducing the number of teachers wouldn't lead to more students. I proposed balancing any reduction with an increase of serious online courses.
2. Since my proposal dealt with grade 12 students, the organization would be limited to quarter-year end exam taking, and perhaps the odd class project if deemed necessary. But certainly none of this daily attendance & regurgitation of lesson plans. Those would be made available online for free. Allow experimenting & you'll see improvements.
@AntiBullshitMan that's not what I said. I said "more students EACH TEACHER HAS". online classes will not 'balance' anything. teachers would still have more students each, more grading to do etc. Also it's been shown that the more students a teacher has the less well those students perform, there is a direct corrolation.
Students need to do regular work that the teachers sees so that their performance can be judged and the teacher can react accordingly.
"that's not what I said. I said "more students EACH TEACHER HAS"."
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"online classes will not 'balance' anything"
Square one. I'm not going to argue circles with blanket assertions. You're overly confident that a proportional increase in online options adjusted for teacher reduction would lead to more students per remaining teacher, & that's fine, just don't stand in the way of the parents/students who disagree with your bold predictions from experimenting with the unseasoned alternatives.
@AntiBullshitMan Your idea of pushing it all onto a few exams would increase stress on students, increase stress for teachers as well as huge increase to workload destroying any free time during the exam period.
There are already corresponadnce courses and they have a lower achievement rate than studing regularly under a teacher.
"pushing it all onto a few exams would increase stress on students"
I wish people wouldn't speak for all students as many loathe the time draining fluff in between exams. I know many who were disincentivized due to essentially having to learn in a prison-like environment for 35 hours per week, year after year, without control, little respect for individual thought & any honest challenges of one's superiors being instantly met with punishment. Also, hormone driven peers, bullying, drugs, etc...
@AntiBullshitMan I do agree with you that the format of classes atm is bad and students should be thought of as more than just empty heads to fill. my experience though is that it's only teen schools like that, college and uni allow more interaction, thought and questions.
In general, students learn better with regular interaction with a teacher who can continually rate their performance
@Scarletpooky "college and uni allow more interaction, thought and questions"
They also pile on a bunch of debt for the graduates (or ultimately drop outs) during their welcome stay. The very same people who in the current recession are finding it difficult to apply their knowledge base towards available positions.
"In general, students learn better with regular interaction with a teacher"
I'd love to analyze how the experiments were conducted, in great detail. Got a link to any of them?
@AntiBullshitMan hang on. so not only did you rant about stuff you have no knowledge about without bothering to do any research about what the effects might be but when criticised and told you're wrong you want me to go and do your research for you??
I don't have time to hunt down things I read years ago which may or may not even be online. You're the one making videos, you're the one stating how to make things 'better', YOU go and do the damn research
"so not only did you rant about stuff you have no knowledge about"
You're milking the fact that I missed 1 situational update about the concessions made for the 7% cuts, & using that to justify making sweeping accusations of ignorance regarding the bulk of what I spoke about (& this video was not a rant, but I can offer you one if you want).
Of course I have knowledge of this as I myself experienced it for 12 years, along with many like minded students who were stuck in the same boat I was on.
And I don't feel the need to get in your face about it or try ragging on your character for not backing it up. I'll simply point out that every time someone makes the claim you`ve made, and is asked to bring the goods, they always come up empty.
''you're the one stating how to make things 'better' ''
Don't be a passive-aggressive twat by insinuating things with well planted decorations around words like 'better'. Your almost-accusations are obnoxious.
And I've never once shoved any of those videos into anyone's inbox the way you as the commenter shove your comments directly in my inbox. As such I was well within reason to ask you to link me to evidence for your claim. Not so that I can outright dismiss the evidence, but so to analyze it. My skepticism of it is not ill conceived, but based on everything I've observed in apathetic students who were constantly around teachers with no alternatives.
@islandalien "socially inept internet home schooled kids"
This shouldn't be viewed as a taxpayer issue, first of all. Secondly, elementary schools should remain in tact as they are. This is when most kids typically develop their social sensibilities. My proposal targets high school teachers, starting with grade 12, and moving downwards should grade 12 experimentations result in higher grade point averages and lower drop out rates. Truly a fair proposal.
I agree, you're totally fucked up on this. Follow your own advice and don't get involved unless you know what you're talking about. The whole thing is about union busting not balancing the budget.
No, you're judging an entire video based on my not keeping up with details which are for the most part irrelevant to the main point I drive towards at the end.
"don't get involved unless you know what you're talking about"
If I'm asked to comment on something, I will give my impression on it regardless of whether it's an outdated impression, as has been aptly prefaced by me. This is not a news report type channel, & was never advertised as such.
The students are the last thing Walker cares about, but breaking the unions. The "deficit" was contrived, and the way his cohorts put their bill through shows their true concern. Without collective bargaining the union becomes irrelevant, even if allowed continued existence. As for the "redundant" nature of the public schools, keep in mind they originated as a humane alternative to child labor. And typewriters - what's wrong with fountain pens? :D
@TheAzov "As for the "redundant" nature of the public schools, keep in mind they originated as a humane alternative to child labor"
Nobody is proposing the dismantling of elementary schools. I proposed more online courses for students in grade 12, and perhaps more if those students improve. Now, if they want to work more hours with their new found time, nobody should stand in their way. They're young adults, it's be their call, and lots of them already work as it is.
@AntiBullshitMan E-learning is a good idea, but I don't think we should wait til the last year of high school before introducing students to this. We should start early and let students ease into it. What remains to be seen is how many students will do as well or better this way. I suspect it may not make a huge difference in costs or the number of teachers, but even if it's only useful for a few, it might help regular classes by improving the teacher/student ratio.
@AntiBullshitMan Well, by child labor, I meant mostly underage child labor. But young people working full time service jobs which have no growth potential - they can do the same job for the next 50 years and see no advancement beyond the lowest managerial levels - is a symptom of the hollowing out of the advanced capitalist economy. But that's another video. . ..
Them having more time to work thanks to the diminished # of compulsory classes to attend, doesn't mean that they'd end up working those jobs forever, unless they repeatedly flunk exams, in which case they're not the types who should work full time during HS, as they'd need to spend more time on their studies. I'm thinking flexibility here. Lots of kids would have no problem working & saving as early as their mid teens, but the performance art they're forced to sit through is too time consuming.
People who feel the need to publicly announce that they're unsubscribing have to realize that their subscription means nothing to most video makers in the first place. I'm sure you got some satisfaction out of announcing it though.
To simplify it even more for you: I never asked you or anyone else to view any of my content, so your overwhelming need to inform me (twice no less) that you're too busy for me makes about as much sense as if I were to come over to your channel & inform you that I'm too busy for you.
It's a trolly, reaction-garnering thing to do, unless the person you're telling it to is spamming you with their videos.
I feel sorry for the low rating of this video. The problem is simple. If you give a monopoly the right to use coercion, bad results will follow. Collective bargaining is just a more nice sounding name for giving a union the right to use coercion to prevent competition; to make it illegal for people to be hired without signing up to their union. What did we have a century ago? A bunch of desks facing a blackboard. What do we have now? A bunch of desks facing a whiteboard. What a vast improvement.
@JacobSpinney You really have no idea why Unions were formed, do you?
The individual worker is weak, especially when compared to the company. The company can make pretty much any demand, and if the worker doesn't like it, the worker is gone. Ergo, the worker has no power. Collective bargaining and Unions let the workers, as a whole, have more power, so that they can be treated more fairly by the company they work for. It has nothing to do with "coercion".
You are wrong. Wages are determined by marginal revenue product plus supply and demand. I am all for a workers right to form a union with other workers to have better bargaining power, what I am NOT for is workers thinking they have the right to use coercion to eliminate their competition and force a worker to join their union if he wants to work. What I am NOT for is workers thinking they have a right to their job and that they can use violence to prohibit their termination or replacement.
@AylinIsAwesome Your definition of collective bargaining is not the public sector union's definition of collective bargaining. They know this and use this ambiguity to their advantage. To a public sector union, collective bargaining means that your union has the right to make it illegal for nonunion employees to be hired. That is not collective bargaining. That is political bribery for the purpose of establishing a monopoly.
@AylinIsAwesome Are you legally allowed to opt out of joining these public sector unions if you take on that particular job? Are these unions monopolies in their field? Do they campaign to make it practically impossible to fire a union worker? Do they campaign to make it practically impossible to hire a replacement nonunion worker while the union is on strike? Figure that out and you will have your answer of whether they are hiding under the false banner of collective bargaining or not.
2. No; only in cases where no reason is given for someone being fired
3. Yes; in the sense that if the Union is large enough it is practically impossible to hire replacements for all of them, and additionally because of any public support of their side.
1. I would be very interested to learn about these public school teachers who are non-union.
2. Nonsense. It is so impossible to fire teachers that they have to be moved to what have lovingly been called rubber rooms where they are paid full salaries and play board games with each other all day. Please look this up if you don't believe me.
Source? Google. It's not difficult to look these things up. Just type in "rubber room"
Those are some pretty extraordinary claims. If you have a link that shows it's true, then I'll look at it. You don't have your opponent prove your point for you.
ok removed comments cos i hadnt read your lowbar first. lol
i agree that educational institutions are not the automatic be all and end all of what education as a concept can achieve, but this is quite a radical idea in relation to how things are done right now, and im not sure it validates an arguement for cuts to the workers in that industry.
this is how they do it man,they chip away.. bit by bit, and before you know it, we're ALL payin more and gettin paid less.
It would only be a radical idea had I proposed an instant/complete technological overtake tergetiong most of the widespread spoon feeding taking place. Instead I proposed that grade 12 teachers be cut when it comes to the more textbook driven courses. See how the students who utilize the online medium perform. If it's a positive result, keep it going... if it's a negative one... bring em back.
You removed comments?! That means I gotta open up my actual mailbox... damn you! Making me work here.
So the workers agreed to the pay cuts. This is now clearly about stripping the bargaining rights of these Workers.
As for the state deficit, he could slightly raise taxes and cover it just fine. Why the fuck should the teachers and firemen have to pay for tax cuts for the rich? Come on.
At this point, I'm unsubbing. It's quite obvious you know nothing about how school systems work (there are problems, but laying off teachers as you suggest will only make the problems worse), or anything about what's going on in Wisconsin at all. You are literally putting it out of your ass, which is pretty dishonest for someone named "AntiBullshitMan" to do. Doubly so for all of the underhanded attacks on the characters of teachers. Unsubbed.
"...the employer getting extorted because the mob gets too big:"
Right...extortion means the inability to screw over all of your workers by removing their collective bargaining rights AFTER they agree to ALL of your demands! How silly of me to think otherwise.
"teachers are selfish" So selfish they agreed to all of the proposed cuts on their pay and benefits, and only started protested AFTER the governor wanted to take their collective bargaining rights away??? WTF were you even thinking when you said that??? Do you know anything about this situation at all, or are you just making it all up off the top of your head?
"[detractors of my idea] get uppity because on a level they do realise it will work, but they still ultimately fear the change"
Sorry, that's on the same level as a christian claiming, "on some level, atheists know there's a god!"
"put information online" Many classes are already taught online. Many of the classes that aren't CANNOT be taught online, like Public Speaking, Calculus, Art/Band/Chorus, ect. I took many online classes in high school.
"put information online" Many classes are already taught online. Many of the classes that aren't CANNOT be taught online, like Public Speaking, Calculus, Art/Band/Chorus, ect. I took many online classes in high school." What the hell are you talking about?I type 'calculus' in the youtube searchbar and get 18000 results. I type free calculus ebooks in the google search bar and I get back 7200000 results. There are plenty of vids on learning music instruments , sketching and voice lessons online
"Quit forcing students to pay into these postsecondary systems"
Um...students aren't "forced" to go to college. Many, in fact, don't, or go to 2-year colleges (which are capped at less than $1K per semester, and many students get financial aid for that).
"No student under 17 would be experimented on." Guess you've never heard of "skipping grades" then? I know quite a few people in grade 12 that are 16 or younger.
And WTF was up with that jab about teachers "vacationing in Honolulu"???
Wow I never imagined you could be such an ignorant twat. The unions actually agreed to have the cut, this is just to show how you talk about shit without familiarizing yourself with the subject. Like that time when you said that "the majority of muslims are arabs". Ignorant twat. And all this uninformed crap about public education ?! "Forceful institutionalized teaching" ?!! WTF are you, an antistatist now ? This video is nothing but bullshit. I was tired of you showing up in my sub box anyway.
@SuckDemBalls Actually you're wrong. Arabs form a minority in the Muslim world (North Africa, the Middle East, the Arabic peninsula). Indonesia is actually the largest Muslim country in the world. Add to that the other Muslim populations in Southeast Asia. Then consider Bangladesh, plus the large muslim minority in India, the people of Pakistan and all the other "-stans" on Russia's southern borders, as well as the Berbers, Turks and Kurds, and you can easily see that Arabs are the minority.
@dredesch I know that there are other countries who are "mostly" muslim. Indonesia, most of north africa, etc etc. But how many arabs are there in iraq, iran, afghanistan, etc, compared to indonesia, africa, kazakstan and other south asia countries, etc. You gotta remember EVERYONE is muslim in the middleast. There's probably just a couple hundred that aren't in those countries. But I guess you may be right not 100% sure of course.
Also isnt pakistan technically arab? I mean they r indian 2 lol
@SuckDemBalls 86% of the 237 million Indonesians are Muslims, making it the largest Muslim country in the world. Iranians (77 million) are not Arabs but Farsi (Persians). Pakistan (167 million) and Afghanistan (25 million) host a number of ethnic groups, none of which are Arab (nor Indian, except small minorities). The people of Bangladesh (144 million) are mostly Bengali, not Arab. All told, when you look at the 1.3 billion Muslims or so in the world, only about 20-25% are ethnically Arab.
@AntiBullshitMan Have you seen the Rachel Maddow video on "Protests in Wisconsin Are About the Survival of the Democratic Party"? If no... consider watching it maybe?
Would you rather get 98% fucked... Or 2%? This isn't the best way save us economically.. Oil companies in the US get $36 billion a year in tax cuts, this happens with tons of corporations in the US.
Like I said in the video, I'd rather the 2% "get fucked" ... but the ideal is to have everyone chip in proportionally. Yes the oil companies get away with murder (sometimes literally) but there are people in that 2% who aren't CEOs/bankers/other scum... that's why I wouldn't place the entire burden solely on them.
@AntiBullshitMan "... but the ideal is to have everyone chip in proportionally."
What is "proportionally" to you?
"that's why I wouldn't place the entire burden solely on them."
Because with this statement... you're implying you don't have a problem with excessive wealth, because there are "good" greedy people. This is not about the "quality" of a person here.
Loaded question. Too many circumstantial factors to consider case-by-case & to fit in this comment box, but if I had to narrow it down in the general sense, I'd not go over 50% for the top 2% of income earners (no corporate & capital gains loopholes).
"because there are "good" greedy people"
This actually warrants a video. There are actually good greedy people who donate tons to charity... the problem is they currently get special tax exemptions for it.
@donnyforte2 "but if I had to narrow it down in the general sense, I'd not go over 50% for the top 2% of income earners (no corporate & capital gains loopholes)."
Good to hear excessive wealth that's never recirculated being addressed, but it still doesn't explain your "cherry picking of taxes" commentary in your previous videos. And how music & arts isn't about basic education. I'd still like to know if you think education is a basic right.
Cherry picking was on-the-fly abysmal phrasing on my part, as the ability to choose would commence once the fundamentals are covered. So a taxpayer who doesn't benefit from any particular treasury expenditure, like the funding of preference courses at the HS level, would have the ability to opt out, limited to those instances in gov't spending. I'm not doing it justice here, but I've written about it extensively on my blog... which is linked on my page, if interested.
@donnyforte2 ''Rewarding honest labor is a POSITIVE''
Of course. For some reason you're making it out as if we disagree on the fundamentals. You can reward honest labor *and* allow people who invent products generating high consumer rates to profit handsomely off of those inventions. Note that I'm talking about the inventor here, not the inventor's children & grandchildren & so on for generations. I've done vids on inheritance before, as it's the main contributor to the consolidation of wealth.
@AntiBullshitMan This is the problem though. None of this is happening. And this video is a slap in the face to the wrong sort of people. That's why I'm getting these weird vibes. The wealthy have not been taking their fair share of the load-- going on decades now.
"I'm talking about the inventor here"
Inventor should only be used in rare occasions. I say it's more to do with adaptations of other adaptations, but that's a whole different conversation. I'll look for those inheritance vids, thx.
@donnyforte2 ''None of this is happening. And this video is a slap in the face to the wrong sort of people''
It's a separate issue though. For decades now the advancement of technology has resulted in people having to find new lines of work. Would you suggest that allowing businesses to capitalize on the use of new technology to the fullest extent, to be a slap in the face of the workers who'd get laid off as a result? Should we contrive their stay instead?
@AntiBullshitMan "Would you suggest that allowing businesses to capitalize on the use of new technology to the fullest extent"
If we're actually talking about technology used in that same country, no. But if we're talking about setting up shop overseas for cheap slave labor-- that's a different story. And just because work is progressively more and more menial, doesn't mean they should live in poverty because of it. Technology shouldn't benefit the few in this instance either.
Wow, I'm surprised at you. You actually said something not completely and totally retarded. I'm definitely not going to call you antibullshitman, but I will stop calling you inmendham jr.
bush of liberal, homo-loving, socialist, obama loving douche-bags thumbing down this video.
to hell with the "teachers" ... the answer is SIMPLE.
SUPPLY AND DEMAND
to hell with these unions. to hell with teachers and state workers. to hell with high taxes and entitled a-holes elitist idiots who think they can progress their personal security by banding together their powers of mediocrity.
the rest of us suffer, but unions and state workers deserve better?
@rtardbox You forgot Stalin and Mao, and yea, I am, at the moment, preparing to sarifice 666 babies to them, on my Altar to the Future Nazi-Communist World Wide Empire (because it's not like nazism and communism are totaly contradictory........), which I built from the carcasses of 128 virgins.
Get a reality-check man, and at least answer my queastion: are you supporting the tea-party?
Fuck both sides. Walker tries to act without negotiating, and the teacher's unions close down school for a whole week to show how hard working there are.
Oh by the way, consolidating the deficit, Walker wants to reduce the corporate taxrate. How is that gonna help? How about the rich get tax increases as well (since bush tax cuts were renewed they should have money to spare) Here in germany the the highest income tax is about 50% and we are not running out of rich people....
It cannot be a strawman as a strawman is rooted in dishonesty. This video began with me pointing out that I haven't followed all the developments, but also that I've been asked to cover this, so I gave my opinion as far as what I thought of it at the time I checked out.
This is primarily about the non-necessity of wide-spread, forceful institutionalized teaching, in 2011. Wisconsin just got caught in the middle of it.
@AntiBullshitMan Well then i take the strawman back and replace it with accusations of stupidness and laziness. If you do a 24 minute video, do a little bit of research. Also Wisconsin is ranked 2nd in education in the US and Finnland which is ranked first has "forcefull institutionalized" staterun education too.
@AntiBullshitMan The protests started when the governor wanted to remove their collective bargaining rights AFTER their union had already agreed to all of his demands.
Saying you didn't know doesn't really let you off the hook for spreading misinformation. At the very least, a video annotation should be added to the relevant portions of the video.
AND...your own article even states that Walker wanted to remove their bargaining rights.
Your underbar said you did not approve, but then you go off and rant for 20 minutes about how teachers are greedy, and that they shouldn't be protesting at all? Sorry for not believing your underbar with everything you said in the video.
You need to get over your overinflated sense of thinking that you're right about issues you quite frankly know nothing about.
"your own article even states that Walker wanted to remove their bargaining"
The purpose of the link isn't C.B. related. You claimed there were no protests prior to the 7% cut agreements. The timeline speaks for itself.
"Your underbar said you did not approve, but then you go off and rant for 20 minutes about how teachers are greedy"
You're using black&white reasoning here, essentially telling me that I cannot genuinely oppose threats to end C.B. while opposing protests over 7% cuts. Inane.
@AntiBullshitMan 1) I see that US continue to have the worst record in Western World in violating UN Right articles on Labor right stated in articles 23 there it´s written"
"Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.."
@AntiBullshitMan2) and UN art.23 - "Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests."
ILO have reported about this vilolatons against Unions and Labor right in US constantly since Reagan era in early 1980-tees.
@donnyforte2 c'mon, i don't know how it can be more obvious that he is not aware of the situation, he even said it in the beginning that he doesn't know shit about it.
Go take a timeout & come back when you manage to take control your reactionary outbursts.
The majority of this 24 minute video is unrelated to the protests. It's about the faults of the education system as a whole. What the protesters did or did not manage to accomplish, is wholly irrelevant to the big picture.
@AntiBullshitMan "It's about the faults of the education system as a whole."
Yeah, which is largely the fault of POVERTY. Let me say it again POV-ER-TY. It's not about "throwing more money" at FUCKING education. It's not this bullshit claim of "bad teachers". It's about children in fucking poverty.
21:36-21:54 ONCE AGAIN, FUCK YOU. This isn't about the deficit. This is about stripping away future bargaining rights when they agreed to the cuts. And greedy little fucks? FUCK YOU
"ONCE AGAIN, FUCK YOU. This isn't about the deficit. This is about stripping away future bargaining rights when they agreed to the cuts. And greedy little fucks? FUCK YOU"
Good grief, Is it really necessary to add insults when addressing his points?
@bubbamickmac I like this guy... but this video is one big pile of shit. I'm really just mad he's bought in to it. I'm basically saying "fuck his temporary arguments". I don't think it's going to last... he's a rational person.
Had you not gotten yourself caught up in a fit of senseless rage, you'd have properly gleaned my proposal aimed at giving the poorest students actual incentive to do well in high school as they would have the ability to prove themselves in the post-secondary arena, for free.
"This is about stripping away future bargaining rights"
I made it clear in the lowbar that I don't endorse that.
"ONCE AGAIN, FUCK YOU"
The more often you type it out in caps, the more amusing you become.
"I made it clear in the lowbar that I don't endorse that."
And calling them greedy cunts in the process when they've agreed to Walker's proposals, but not on future bargaining rights.
"as they would have the ability to prove themselves in the post-secondary arena"
These are the same types of people (Walker/Koch-like mentalities) who don't even think an education should be a basic right for all. And none of this going to happen without addressing excessive wealth.
As I understand it, the real issue is the ending of collective bargaining rights. I'm pretty sure that's what upsets people more than anything else.
Giodude93 9 months ago
I think what is even more impressive is that nobody said anything about the tomahawk missiles shot on Libya costing 1 Million dollars each, at 50k a year salary you could pay 1 teacher 20 years with one missile, some news said over 300 missiles have been shot.
Ramiromasters 10 months ago
73 dislikes. Collective action at work again. Commies! >:(
TheAzov 11 months ago
@TheAzov the wonderful liberturds at work azov, what else is new...
whedonfreak976 11 months ago
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Go Wisconsin! It is not Scott Walkers fault completely, he is paying off Jim Doyle's bullshit debts.
kr00k3d100 11 months ago
Go Wisconsn! It is not Scott Walkers fault completely, he is paying off Jim Doyle's bullshit debts.
kr00k3d100 11 months ago
71 people aren't tax payers
Sepero1 11 months ago
Ok.. i can't really see how you're having trouble balancing the budget...
Raise taxes on the middle class
The end.
Right now Taxes on the Rich are historically low, and the Incomegap is historically high.
The higher Class gets tax cuts (And yes, there JUST WAS ONE in WI)
The middle Class gets to shoulder the burden.
also, why not go for the so called "utopian" solution?
Why? It is the right god damn right thing to do!
Stop throwing hookers in jail, Stop the war on drugs!
bla34112 11 months ago
"It is the right god damn right thing to do!"
I was barking up the same tree a few months back as reflected in my videos, but the proposed 3% tax hike on the rich never saw the light of day, & along with all the layoffs in Wisconsin, it's time to advocate for an alternative.
"Stop throwing hookers in jail, Stop the war on drugs!"
The majority of Americans are still socially conservative. You got about as much chance seeing those policies scrapped as I have seeing my experiment take place.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan
So.. you're just gonna stop barking?
Rich will get more and more tax cuts, and then i got guys like you asking:
"what, you're gonna concentrate only on one class here? the higher class? that ain't right"
... Seriously mate, the middle class has been marginalized and shrinking over the last decade and before that. Average wages have been stagnating, and you are complaining about concentrating on the upper class only?
bla34112 11 months ago
here is why I, and other people are calling bullshit on walker.
He just gave away a 140 million tax cut and THAN declared a 130milliuon budget crisis.
bla34112 11 months ago
For the record, my father was a high school teacher for 30 years and his state pension is a vital part of his income. So there's my bias. And, of course, class war rules - as long as the right side wins. :D
TheAzov 11 months ago
I am guessing you were a bright, driven and very motivated student. I was such a student as well. Not everybody is that though. You seem to disregard the psychology of students, of young people. They are not so mature yet. I think part of the studying could be done on the internet and with books, but teachers (good ones) are necessary and group studying, with other students, is helpful too.
In capitalism there will always be recessions, it's in the interest of workers to protest, so they do.
dewinthemorning 11 months ago
@dewinthemorning "I am guessing you were a bright, driven and very motivated student"
Oh heavens no. The classes were 80 minutes long. By grade 11, I hardly ever attended. It really did feel like a prison to me, & there were many others in my shoes, wasting all that time instead of being allowed to have a wider range of options compared to the same ABC, year after year. I doubt my grade 12 proposal for online expansion is limited due to immaturity. Here, 18 = Objectively Mature Adulthood :)
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan The key word in that phrase is "objectively." But people vary. MHO is that de-schooling is fine, provided you're dealing with a motivated individual he can show his stuff w/o the external trappings of a classroom, teachers, and fellow students. If this honor system is tried it must be earned, with the right to mandate the student's return to a traditional setting if he slips up.
TheAzov 11 months ago
@TheAzov
"de-schooling is fine, provided you're dealing with a motivated individual"
That's why I would invest even more money in education & compensate the teachers generously with results-based bonuses (the better the kids do, the more money the teacher gets). The difference between a good teacher and a bad one is reflected in your motivation to learn. A shitty teacher can put off even the most willing-to-learn kid. And a good teacher can make the dullest subject seem interesting.
ZOMGitsCriss 11 months ago
And I am all for letting home-schooled kids take the oral and written exams and have an equal opportunity to get their degree if they are capable of it. But these responsible, highly motivated-on-their-own kids represent a small fraction of ALL kids. So yeah, I would invest a lot more in institutionalized schooling, even compensate the kids with money for their results too (they would have a trust fund they'd be able to access once they turn 18, that's to avoid the parents exploiting them).
ZOMGitsCriss 11 months ago
@ZOMGitsCriss
i've been activist promoter of an "student trust fund" compensation pay for results performance as incentive to energize them to excellence.
ready-made college scholarship fund for poor kids after HS ; )
one of the Left political organizations my father lobbies for and contributes to, has that new kind of student fund program as one of its primary mission tier.
your idea is being proposed more and more despite resistance. i love your idea ; )
a film was made on your idea.
VampiressOnDaProwlq 11 months ago
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Pentazoid111 10 months ago
"highly motivated-on-their-own kids represent a small fraction of ALLkids"I don't believed this claim.I think all children are motivated to learn.Learning and curiosity begins the moment we are bornand continues to grow and developed as we grow into children and eventually into adults.Learning and curiosity are notsuddenly expressed in us the moment we attend school. The problem is, children are not encourageto pursue their own self-interests but rather push 2 learn subjects they dont care about
Pentazoid111 10 months ago
@ZOMGitsCriss Of course, there's a catch-22 in that: a good education system shunting its best students out of the classroom is ultimately downsizing itself. That's ABM's point, & one he endorses. Another hitch is that those who believe the most in de-schooling want to defund public education itself; those who care the most have a vested interest in its institution. In poor-neighborhood US schools basic discipline and attendance are also major problems.
TheAzov 11 months ago
@TheAzov
"a good education system shunting its best students out of the classroom is ultimately downsizing itself"
The students who are able to study on their own are nor necessarily the best. There are many "gifted" kids with great potential who are simply not disciplined/organized enough to be self-taught.
"In poor-neighborhood US schools basic discipline and attendance are also major problems."
And I'm all for finding solutions to IMPROVE public education (like a money motivator)
ZOMGitsCriss 11 months ago
"And I'm all for finding solutions to IMPROVE public education (like a money motivator)" The problem is , we have been throwing money at public schools for about forty years and yet the test cscores remain stagnant. District of Columbia has a pretty high student expenditure, yet they rank the lowest in education. The united states has one of the highest student expenditures in the world, yet ranks the lowest in general academic performance compared to all the oecd nations.
Pentazoid111 10 months ago
@TheAzov
"those who care the most have a vested interest in its institution."
Btw...I don't understand what you mean by "vested interest". I believe education is crucial to the progress and wellbeing of any society. I also think that teachers play an essential role in that, even if I am all for technological progress. There are plenty of assholes making shit loads of money by delivering useless crap products and exploiting workers. I see no point in ragging on teachers, out of all things.
ZOMGitsCriss 11 months ago
@ZOMGitsCriss There's no question of teachers' vital role. I'm referring to the conflict between the current educational system & deschoolers, as in ABM's video. Those who care the most about the institutional school system defend it, with all its faults, because of course it's their jobs at stake as well as a vital service to society. Those who want to break it down point to all its failures for scrapping the whole system. I think ABM's throwing babies out w/ bathwater here.
TheAzov 11 months ago
@TheAzov
"There's no question of teachers' vital role"
Oh, but there is. Since *some* people believe that teachers are just selfish, useless greedy cunts who are nothing but redundant in the light of the awesome internet. I know my comments may seem hostile but I have a very good reason for that.
ZOMGitsCriss 11 months ago
@ZOMGitsCriss I understand the reaction, because I heard the same rhetoric before the Internet was even a gleam in Al Gore's eye. :D
TheAzov 11 months ago
@TheAzov Damn ...I almost forgot you've been around since before the dinosaurs :D :P <3
ZOMGitsCriss 11 months ago
@ZOMGitsCriss I watched the little critters hatch. . . .
TheAzov 11 months ago
"There are plenty of assholes making shit loads of money by delivering useless crap products and exploiting workers. I see no point in ragging on teachers, out of all things." There are also plenty of teachers distributing inaccurate information to there students. Ever heard of the book, lies my teachers told me? This book documents many historical and economic inaccuracies that are often presented in popular textbooks. At least with the internet, you can discern between good info and bad info.
Pentazoid111 10 months ago
Perhaps teachers they do. owever,what makes you think that public school teachers most have to play that role for the majority of the population? There are plenty of teachers online who don't have a formal degreeand that do have a degree, I delivering their pedagogical methods to people fore free. Just the other day, A kid presented an effective way to do any digit multiplication(/watch?v=JcZsN3b-BvU&feature=channel_video_title) that doesn't involved memorizing but did not learn this in school
Pentazoid111 10 months ago
@ZOMGitsCriss
very well illustrated, Criss. all your comments confronted all the thoughts and responses i would have put.
i was wanting to put similar comments but i like how you put it better. ; ) you saveed me time and typing lol <3
VampiressOnDaProwlq 11 months ago
You really do demonstrate you don't really follow the issue. The unions agreed to the cuts in the first week, under the condition that they don't take away their rights.
By rejecting that deal the Imperial Walker proved it's not about the budget, but it's entirely political. Also the three unions that rooted for him during the elections are exempt.
Did I mention that before Walker pushed through corporate tax cuts WI budget was scheduled for a surplus?
coladict 11 months ago
@coladict "you don't really follow the issue"
The issue I have in mind in much bigger than the current status of the Walker case. In the weeks leading up to this video, I was repeatedly asked for my opinion on the goings on in Wisconsin, so I used them as a stepping stone towards the main course, that being the way education is done in general. I'd have scrapped any Wisconsin talk had I known that people were going to obsess over it to this extent, while ignoring everything else I talked about.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
You look like a faggot.
LucasGannon10 11 months ago
My understanding is that the unions were willing to negotiate a pay cut. What they couldn't stomach was the abrogation of their collective bargaining rights. I don't see anything wrong with everybody making sacrifices in rough times, but the sacrifices should be spread across the board and shared by every one according to their ability to pay. That is not what we are seeing in Wisconsin, and in many other places in the U.S. What is needed is not utopia, but justice and fairness.
dredesch 11 months ago
Estate tax? Do you guys also have this weird construct in which you don't have to pay taxes over the interest of your mortgage, no matter how large it is? We do here in Holland, and it's bullshit.
Nocturnuz 11 months ago
Dude, they lost a lot more than you're saying. You don't understand it. You said yourself you didn't do your homework, so stfu antibullshitwoman.
Mushuukyou 11 months ago
"You said yourself you didn't do your homework"
To allude to tho developments as my homework is to miss the main point of this video. I was asked for my 2 cents on the protest issue & since I planned on doing a video about education reform anyway, I figured what better time to throw in my take on Wisconsin, than now. The underlying point stands.
"antibullshitwoman"
Yes... I am a woman for this video. How degrading to my manly pride to be thought of as one of those silly inferior creatures.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
a measly 7 percent.......... seriously?? 7% is a large chunk of your salary
IVscythia 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitman,
I'll try to address this in the next FTW, but I definitely won't unsubscribe on the basis of different opinions, unlike some of the folks here. I am a bit ashamed that some of the comments here do nothing but say "unsubscribe," "fail," and "fuck you." If you want to address the points, do it without having to resort to those tactics.
bubbamickmac 11 months ago
@bubbamickmac I didn't unsub due to a different opinion... I unsubbed due to all of the misinformation, verbal attacks against teachers, and the fact that the "Anti"bullshitman said pretty much nothing but bullshit in his entire video.
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
@bubbamickmac "I am a bit ashamed that some of the comments here do nothing but say "unsubscribe," "fail," and "fuck you." "
I said at the beginning of this video that people struck me as being overly emotional about this issue. Turns out I was more right than I initially thought. And don't be ashamed, this is the typical type of fallout we see anytime someone makes a video not rooting for the home team they were expected to root for based on previous videos. Nuance is unwelcome.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan "Turns out I was more right than I initially thought."
Oh, please forgive us... it's not like we're emotional creatures or anything--- it's not like you're responding emotionally, right? You weren't pushing buttons here... no no... just being "honest". Right.
donnyforte2 11 months ago
I'm sorry, couldn't watch the whole video as you requested due to the fact that you indeed did not "keep up" with what was and is going on in WI and at least 17 other states across the nation. There are far too many facts to address and ramification to the working class to point out and 500 characters won't get it..so to give a short comment..you're wrong.
Boomer1949 11 months ago
@Boomer1949
The video is about education reform in general. The Wisconsin ordeal was merely the stepping stone I used to get to the big picture, since I was nagged to talk about the protests in a video. But suit yourself.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
The redistribution of taxpayer money by ending the war on drugs, decriminalizing prostitution, reducing gov. officials "personal spendings", increasing the VAT on non-essential products, etc is NOT utopian. It is perfectly practical and achievable. The only reason it's not applicable yet is because the majority of people don't realize they are throwing their money away on counter-productive programs. And some of the few ones who do realize it, like you, dismiss the argument for bullshit reasons.
ZOMGitsCriss 11 months ago 22
One last thing, since I was just reading how Walker plans to save $300 million over the next two year by stripping unions of collective bargaining rights .
The US military aid for Israel amounts to some $2.5 billion annually. This is tax money that no US citizen will ever benefit from. I guess we should all close our eyes to all these unjustified expenses and dismiss arguing against them as being "utopic" and "unrealistic" while applauding teacher's salaries getting cut. What a pile of crap :(
ZOMGitsCriss 11 months ago 15
@ZOMGitsCriss how about legalizing hemp? How about eliminating all taxes. Google "crypto-anarchy". You'll want to learn all about it cause its happening whether people want it or not.
MoneyIsSilver 11 months ago
You are being utopian ZOMGitsCriss. You're right; it would be practical to end the war on drugs and legalise prostitution, but it's 0% likely. You can argue that the solution to a budget deficit is a course of action that is 0% likely.
If your solution to a short-term budget deficit is something that would require the complete liberal re-education of all American taxpayers, then you don't get to tell ABM that you're not being utopian.
salamirterra 11 months ago
@ZOMGitsCriss cris, your just another statheist, a socialist who stopped worshipping god and started worshipping the state, how dare you think I need to pay for a VAT
chorizo1337 10 months ago
"your just another statheist"
Keep parroting your little meme trend-setters. You totally don't come off like a brainwashed drone for it, at all!
But yeah your post reads like one made with the intention of parodying typical stateless enthusiasts.
"how dare you think I need to pay for a VAT"
How dare she not exempt YOU from a law that's not going away anytime soon. The nerve!! RAWRR!
And now for something rational:
antibullshitman.blogspot.com/2010/10/illegitimacy-of-godstate-analogy.html
AntiBullshitMan 10 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan oh yeah those trains going to auschwitz, how dare you not be exempt by that law thats not going away anytime soon!
chorizo1337 10 months ago
Whipping out Nazi cliches to argue your point? You have to be a plant pretending to be an anti-statist to reinforce all the nagative stereotypes about them.
Yes, all state law is analogous to auschwitz. You have figured it out.
Have fun not being taken seriously in any political debate you attempt injecting yourself in that's outside your little YT cult. Though I'm sure you're used to it by now.
AntiBullshitMan 10 months ago
While I think you do have a point of allowing online learning you are wrong about reducing the number of teachers.
1) more students each teacher has the less efective those lessons are and the hard it is for students to learn
2) teaching doesn't end when they leave the classroom, they also have to organise and mark coursework etc and the more students mean more work.
You want to reduce their pay AND increase their workload as well as reduce their ability to help students.. wtf?...
Scarletpooky 11 months ago
@Scarlet
1. Reducing the number of teachers wouldn't lead to more students. I proposed balancing any reduction with an increase of serious online courses.
2. Since my proposal dealt with grade 12 students, the organization would be limited to quarter-year end exam taking, and perhaps the odd class project if deemed necessary. But certainly none of this daily attendance & regurgitation of lesson plans. Those would be made available online for free. Allow experimenting & you'll see improvements.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan that's not what I said. I said "more students EACH TEACHER HAS". online classes will not 'balance' anything. teachers would still have more students each, more grading to do etc. Also it's been shown that the more students a teacher has the less well those students perform, there is a direct corrolation.
Students need to do regular work that the teachers sees so that their performance can be judged and the teacher can react accordingly.
Scarletpooky 11 months ago
"that's not what I said. I said "more students EACH TEACHER HAS"."
...
"online classes will not 'balance' anything"
Square one. I'm not going to argue circles with blanket assertions. You're overly confident that a proportional increase in online options adjusted for teacher reduction would lead to more students per remaining teacher, & that's fine, just don't stand in the way of the parents/students who disagree with your bold predictions from experimenting with the unseasoned alternatives.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan Your idea of pushing it all onto a few exams would increase stress on students, increase stress for teachers as well as huge increase to workload destroying any free time during the exam period.
There are already corresponadnce courses and they have a lower achievement rate than studing regularly under a teacher.
Scarletpooky 11 months ago
"pushing it all onto a few exams would increase stress on students"
I wish people wouldn't speak for all students as many loathe the time draining fluff in between exams. I know many who were disincentivized due to essentially having to learn in a prison-like environment for 35 hours per week, year after year, without control, little respect for individual thought & any honest challenges of one's superiors being instantly met with punishment. Also, hormone driven peers, bullying, drugs, etc...
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan I do agree with you that the format of classes atm is bad and students should be thought of as more than just empty heads to fill. my experience though is that it's only teen schools like that, college and uni allow more interaction, thought and questions.
In general, students learn better with regular interaction with a teacher who can continually rate their performance
Scarletpooky 11 months ago
@Scarletpooky "college and uni allow more interaction, thought and questions"
They also pile on a bunch of debt for the graduates (or ultimately drop outs) during their welcome stay. The very same people who in the current recession are finding it difficult to apply their knowledge base towards available positions.
"In general, students learn better with regular interaction with a teacher"
I'd love to analyze how the experiments were conducted, in great detail. Got a link to any of them?
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan hang on. so not only did you rant about stuff you have no knowledge about without bothering to do any research about what the effects might be but when criticised and told you're wrong you want me to go and do your research for you??
I don't have time to hunt down things I read years ago which may or may not even be online. You're the one making videos, you're the one stating how to make things 'better', YOU go and do the damn research
Scarletpooky 11 months ago
"so not only did you rant about stuff you have no knowledge about"
You're milking the fact that I missed 1 situational update about the concessions made for the 7% cuts, & using that to justify making sweeping accusations of ignorance regarding the bulk of what I spoke about (& this video was not a rant, but I can offer you one if you want).
Of course I have knowledge of this as I myself experienced it for 12 years, along with many like minded students who were stuck in the same boat I was on.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
''I don't have time to hunt down things''
And I don't feel the need to get in your face about it or try ragging on your character for not backing it up. I'll simply point out that every time someone makes the claim you`ve made, and is asked to bring the goods, they always come up empty.
''you're the one stating how to make things 'better' ''
Don't be a passive-aggressive twat by insinuating things with well planted decorations around words like 'better'. Your almost-accusations are obnoxious.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@Scarletpooky ''You're the one making videos''
And I've never once shoved any of those videos into anyone's inbox the way you as the commenter shove your comments directly in my inbox. As such I was well within reason to ask you to link me to evidence for your claim. Not so that I can outright dismiss the evidence, but so to analyze it. My skepticism of it is not ill conceived, but based on everything I've observed in apathetic students who were constantly around teachers with no alternatives.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
I fear a future of socially inept internet home schooled kids
islandalien 11 months ago
@islandalien "socially inept internet home schooled kids"
This shouldn't be viewed as a taxpayer issue, first of all. Secondly, elementary schools should remain in tact as they are. This is when most kids typically develop their social sensibilities. My proposal targets high school teachers, starting with grade 12, and moving downwards should grade 12 experimentations result in higher grade point averages and lower drop out rates. Truly a fair proposal.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
I agree, you're totally fucked up on this. Follow your own advice and don't get involved unless you know what you're talking about. The whole thing is about union busting not balancing the budget.
alaskafido 11 months ago
@alaskafido "you're totally fucked up on this"
No, you're judging an entire video based on my not keeping up with details which are for the most part irrelevant to the main point I drive towards at the end.
"don't get involved unless you know what you're talking about"
If I'm asked to comment on something, I will give my impression on it regardless of whether it's an outdated impression, as has been aptly prefaced by me. This is not a news report type channel, & was never advertised as such.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan Point taken. Fair enough.
alaskafido 11 months ago
The students are the last thing Walker cares about, but breaking the unions. The "deficit" was contrived, and the way his cohorts put their bill through shows their true concern. Without collective bargaining the union becomes irrelevant, even if allowed continued existence. As for the "redundant" nature of the public schools, keep in mind they originated as a humane alternative to child labor. And typewriters - what's wrong with fountain pens? :D
TheAzov 11 months ago
@TheAzov "As for the "redundant" nature of the public schools, keep in mind they originated as a humane alternative to child labor"
Nobody is proposing the dismantling of elementary schools. I proposed more online courses for students in grade 12, and perhaps more if those students improve. Now, if they want to work more hours with their new found time, nobody should stand in their way. They're young adults, it's be their call, and lots of them already work as it is.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan E-learning is a good idea, but I don't think we should wait til the last year of high school before introducing students to this. We should start early and let students ease into it. What remains to be seen is how many students will do as well or better this way. I suspect it may not make a huge difference in costs or the number of teachers, but even if it's only useful for a few, it might help regular classes by improving the teacher/student ratio.
dredesch 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan Well, by child labor, I meant mostly underage child labor. But young people working full time service jobs which have no growth potential - they can do the same job for the next 50 years and see no advancement beyond the lowest managerial levels - is a symptom of the hollowing out of the advanced capitalist economy. But that's another video. . ..
TheAzov 11 months ago
Them having more time to work thanks to the diminished # of compulsory classes to attend, doesn't mean that they'd end up working those jobs forever, unless they repeatedly flunk exams, in which case they're not the types who should work full time during HS, as they'd need to spend more time on their studies. I'm thinking flexibility here. Lots of kids would have no problem working & saving as early as their mid teens, but the performance art they're forced to sit through is too time consuming.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
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you are not worth my time .Unsubscribed
tailura 11 months ago
People who feel the need to publicly announce that they're unsubscribing have to realize that their subscription means nothing to most video makers in the first place. I'm sure you got some satisfaction out of announcing it though.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan And yet I repeat,you are not worth my time . I am far too busy to view your "opinions" . good luck pal .
tailura 11 months ago
"I am far too busy to view your "opinions" "
To simplify it even more for you: I never asked you or anyone else to view any of my content, so your overwhelming need to inform me (twice no less) that you're too busy for me makes about as much sense as if I were to come over to your channel & inform you that I'm too busy for you.
It's a trolly, reaction-garnering thing to do, unless the person you're telling it to is spamming you with their videos.
Now fuck off and stay off of my comment wall.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
I feel sorry for the low rating of this video. The problem is simple. If you give a monopoly the right to use coercion, bad results will follow. Collective bargaining is just a more nice sounding name for giving a union the right to use coercion to prevent competition; to make it illegal for people to be hired without signing up to their union. What did we have a century ago? A bunch of desks facing a blackboard. What do we have now? A bunch of desks facing a whiteboard. What a vast improvement.
JacobSpinney 11 months ago
@JacobSpinney You really have no idea why Unions were formed, do you?
The individual worker is weak, especially when compared to the company. The company can make pretty much any demand, and if the worker doesn't like it, the worker is gone. Ergo, the worker has no power. Collective bargaining and Unions let the workers, as a whole, have more power, so that they can be treated more fairly by the company they work for. It has nothing to do with "coercion".
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
You are wrong. Wages are determined by marginal revenue product plus supply and demand. I am all for a workers right to form a union with other workers to have better bargaining power, what I am NOT for is workers thinking they have the right to use coercion to eliminate their competition and force a worker to join their union if he wants to work. What I am NOT for is workers thinking they have a right to their job and that they can use violence to prohibit their termination or replacement.
JacobSpinney 11 months ago
@AylinIsAwesome Your definition of collective bargaining is not the public sector union's definition of collective bargaining. They know this and use this ambiguity to their advantage. To a public sector union, collective bargaining means that your union has the right to make it illegal for nonunion employees to be hired. That is not collective bargaining. That is political bribery for the purpose of establishing a monopoly.
JacobSpinney 11 months ago
@JacobSpinney Do you have a source for your claims?
I have one for mine. legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary com/collective+bargaining
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
@AylinIsAwesome Are you legally allowed to opt out of joining these public sector unions if you take on that particular job? Are these unions monopolies in their field? Do they campaign to make it practically impossible to fire a union worker? Do they campaign to make it practically impossible to hire a replacement nonunion worker while the union is on strike? Figure that out and you will have your answer of whether they are hiding under the false banner of collective bargaining or not.
JacobSpinney 11 months ago
@JacobSpinney Answers to your questions in order:
1. Yes; I know several non-Union teachers
2. No; only in cases where no reason is given for someone being fired
3. Yes; in the sense that if the Union is large enough it is practically impossible to hire replacements for all of them, and additionally because of any public support of their side.
As I said, do you have a source or not?
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
@AylinIsAwesome
1. I would be very interested to learn about these public school teachers who are non-union.
2. Nonsense. It is so impossible to fire teachers that they have to be moved to what have lovingly been called rubber rooms where they are paid full salaries and play board games with each other all day. Please look this up if you don't believe me.
Source? Google. It's not difficult to look these things up. Just type in "rubber room"
JacobSpinney 11 months ago
@JacobSpinney
Those are some pretty extraordinary claims. If you have a link that shows it's true, then I'll look at it. You don't have your opponent prove your point for you.
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
ok removed comments cos i hadnt read your lowbar first. lol
i agree that educational institutions are not the automatic be all and end all of what education as a concept can achieve, but this is quite a radical idea in relation to how things are done right now, and im not sure it validates an arguement for cuts to the workers in that industry.
this is how they do it man,they chip away.. bit by bit, and before you know it, we're ALL payin more and gettin paid less.
SkidRowRadio 11 months ago
It would only be a radical idea had I proposed an instant/complete technological overtake tergetiong most of the widespread spoon feeding taking place. Instead I proposed that grade 12 teachers be cut when it comes to the more textbook driven courses. See how the students who utilize the online medium perform. If it's a positive result, keep it going... if it's a negative one... bring em back.
You removed comments?! That means I gotta open up my actual mailbox... damn you! Making me work here.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
So the workers agreed to the pay cuts. This is now clearly about stripping the bargaining rights of these Workers.
As for the state deficit, he could slightly raise taxes and cover it just fine. Why the fuck should the teachers and firemen have to pay for tax cuts for the rich? Come on.
PS - $50,000 a year isn't upper-middle class.
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SkidRowRadio 11 months ago
At this point, I'm unsubbing. It's quite obvious you know nothing about how school systems work (there are problems, but laying off teachers as you suggest will only make the problems worse), or anything about what's going on in Wisconsin at all. You are literally putting it out of your ass, which is pretty dishonest for someone named "AntiBullshitMan" to do. Doubly so for all of the underhanded attacks on the characters of teachers. Unsubbed.
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
"...the employer getting extorted because the mob gets too big:"
Right...extortion means the inability to screw over all of your workers by removing their collective bargaining rights AFTER they agree to ALL of your demands! How silly of me to think otherwise.
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
Man, anti bullshit man, you have some stupid subscribers.
theVAGINAntichrist 11 months ago
"teachers are selfish" So selfish they agreed to all of the proposed cuts on their pay and benefits, and only started protested AFTER the governor wanted to take their collective bargaining rights away??? WTF were you even thinking when you said that??? Do you know anything about this situation at all, or are you just making it all up off the top of your head?
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
"[detractors of my idea] get uppity because on a level they do realise it will work, but they still ultimately fear the change"
Sorry, that's on the same level as a christian claiming, "on some level, atheists know there's a god!"
"put information online" Many classes are already taught online. Many of the classes that aren't CANNOT be taught online, like Public Speaking, Calculus, Art/Band/Chorus, ect. I took many online classes in high school.
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
"put information online" Many classes are already taught online. Many of the classes that aren't CANNOT be taught online, like Public Speaking, Calculus, Art/Band/Chorus, ect. I took many online classes in high school." What the hell are you talking about?I type 'calculus' in the youtube searchbar and get 18000 results. I type free calculus ebooks in the google search bar and I get back 7200000 results. There are plenty of vids on learning music instruments , sketching and voice lessons online
Pentazoid111 10 months ago
"Quit forcing students to pay into these postsecondary systems"
Um...students aren't "forced" to go to college. Many, in fact, don't, or go to 2-year colleges (which are capped at less than $1K per semester, and many students get financial aid for that).
"No student under 17 would be experimented on." Guess you've never heard of "skipping grades" then? I know quite a few people in grade 12 that are 16 or younger.
And WTF was up with that jab about teachers "vacationing in Honolulu"???
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
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baltar2006 11 months ago
I agree with the main theme of this video
theVAGINAntichrist 11 months ago
Please research the facts before making videos. To not do so is a waste of your time and ours.
AntiLoquaxx 11 months ago
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j03y2fly 11 months ago
Wow I never imagined you could be such an ignorant twat. The unions actually agreed to have the cut, this is just to show how you talk about shit without familiarizing yourself with the subject. Like that time when you said that "the majority of muslims are arabs". Ignorant twat. And all this uninformed crap about public education ?! "Forceful institutionalized teaching" ?!! WTF are you, an antistatist now ? This video is nothing but bullshit. I was tired of you showing up in my sub box anyway.
atheist81jihad 11 months ago 4
@atheist81jihad I'm not gonna comment on anything else but this-
"the majority of muslims are arabs"
is true. I'm PRETTY sure 50.1% of muslims are arabs. At least.
SuckDemBalls 11 months ago
@SuckDemBalls Actually you're wrong. Arabs form a minority in the Muslim world (North Africa, the Middle East, the Arabic peninsula). Indonesia is actually the largest Muslim country in the world. Add to that the other Muslim populations in Southeast Asia. Then consider Bangladesh, plus the large muslim minority in India, the people of Pakistan and all the other "-stans" on Russia's southern borders, as well as the Berbers, Turks and Kurds, and you can easily see that Arabs are the minority.
dredesch 11 months ago
@dredesch I know that there are other countries who are "mostly" muslim. Indonesia, most of north africa, etc etc. But how many arabs are there in iraq, iran, afghanistan, etc, compared to indonesia, africa, kazakstan and other south asia countries, etc. You gotta remember EVERYONE is muslim in the middleast. There's probably just a couple hundred that aren't in those countries. But I guess you may be right not 100% sure of course.
Also isnt pakistan technically arab? I mean they r indian 2 lol
SuckDemBalls 11 months ago
@SuckDemBalls 86% of the 237 million Indonesians are Muslims, making it the largest Muslim country in the world. Iranians (77 million) are not Arabs but Farsi (Persians). Pakistan (167 million) and Afghanistan (25 million) host a number of ethnic groups, none of which are Arab (nor Indian, except small minorities). The people of Bangladesh (144 million) are mostly Bengali, not Arab. All told, when you look at the 1.3 billion Muslims or so in the world, only about 20-25% are ethnically Arab.
dredesch 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan Have you seen the Rachel Maddow video on "Protests in Wisconsin Are About the Survival of the Democratic Party"? If no... consider watching it maybe?
MonotonePeanut 11 months ago
Would you rather get 98% fucked... Or 2%? This isn't the best way save us economically.. Oil companies in the US get $36 billion a year in tax cuts, this happens with tons of corporations in the US.
Lucky3LeavedClover 11 months ago
@Lucky3LeavedClover "Would you rather get 98% fucked... Or 2%"
Like I said in the video, I'd rather the 2% "get fucked" ... but the ideal is to have everyone chip in proportionally. Yes the oil companies get away with murder (sometimes literally) but there are people in that 2% who aren't CEOs/bankers/other scum... that's why I wouldn't place the entire burden solely on them.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan "... but the ideal is to have everyone chip in proportionally."
What is "proportionally" to you?
"that's why I wouldn't place the entire burden solely on them."
Because with this statement... you're implying you don't have a problem with excessive wealth, because there are "good" greedy people. This is not about the "quality" of a person here.
donnyforte2 11 months ago
@don "What is "proportionally" to you?"
Loaded question. Too many circumstantial factors to consider case-by-case & to fit in this comment box, but if I had to narrow it down in the general sense, I'd not go over 50% for the top 2% of income earners (no corporate & capital gains loopholes).
"because there are "good" greedy people"
This actually warrants a video. There are actually good greedy people who donate tons to charity... the problem is they currently get special tax exemptions for it.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan "This actually warrants a video"
Oh, right, because you want to focus on this as if it's a positive. Charity is not a positive. Rewarding honest labor is a POSITIVE.
"the problem is they currently get special tax exemptions for it."
So tax exemptions is all your worried about? That's a drop in the bucket. That's still not addressing excessive wealth.
donnyforte2 11 months ago
@donnyforte2 "but if I had to narrow it down in the general sense, I'd not go over 50% for the top 2% of income earners (no corporate & capital gains loopholes)."
Good to hear excessive wealth that's never recirculated being addressed, but it still doesn't explain your "cherry picking of taxes" commentary in your previous videos. And how music & arts isn't about basic education. I'd still like to know if you think education is a basic right.
donnyforte2 11 months ago
"cherry picking of taxes"
Cherry picking was on-the-fly abysmal phrasing on my part, as the ability to choose would commence once the fundamentals are covered. So a taxpayer who doesn't benefit from any particular treasury expenditure, like the funding of preference courses at the HS level, would have the ability to opt out, limited to those instances in gov't spending. I'm not doing it justice here, but I've written about it extensively on my blog... which is linked on my page, if interested.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@donnyforte2 ''Rewarding honest labor is a POSITIVE''
Of course. For some reason you're making it out as if we disagree on the fundamentals. You can reward honest labor *and* allow people who invent products generating high consumer rates to profit handsomely off of those inventions. Note that I'm talking about the inventor here, not the inventor's children & grandchildren & so on for generations. I've done vids on inheritance before, as it's the main contributor to the consolidation of wealth.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan This is the problem though. None of this is happening. And this video is a slap in the face to the wrong sort of people. That's why I'm getting these weird vibes. The wealthy have not been taking their fair share of the load-- going on decades now.
"I'm talking about the inventor here"
Inventor should only be used in rare occasions. I say it's more to do with adaptations of other adaptations, but that's a whole different conversation. I'll look for those inheritance vids, thx.
donnyforte2 11 months ago
@donnyforte2 ''None of this is happening. And this video is a slap in the face to the wrong sort of people''
It's a separate issue though. For decades now the advancement of technology has resulted in people having to find new lines of work. Would you suggest that allowing businesses to capitalize on the use of new technology to the fullest extent, to be a slap in the face of the workers who'd get laid off as a result? Should we contrive their stay instead?
Inheritance: watch?v=2wH-v7Um080
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan "Would you suggest that allowing businesses to capitalize on the use of new technology to the fullest extent"
If we're actually talking about technology used in that same country, no. But if we're talking about setting up shop overseas for cheap slave labor-- that's a different story. And just because work is progressively more and more menial, doesn't mean they should live in poverty because of it. Technology shouldn't benefit the few in this instance either.
donnyforte2 11 months ago
Wow, I'm surprised at you. You actually said something not completely and totally retarded. I'm definitely not going to call you antibullshitman, but I will stop calling you inmendham jr.
fringeelements 11 months ago
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donnyforte2 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan Alright, just wondering.
Lucky3LeavedClover 11 months ago
bush of liberal, homo-loving, socialist, obama loving douche-bags thumbing down this video.
to hell with the "teachers" ... the answer is SIMPLE.
SUPPLY AND DEMAND
to hell with these unions. to hell with teachers and state workers. to hell with high taxes and entitled a-holes elitist idiots who think they can progress their personal security by banding together their powers of mediocrity.
the rest of us suffer, but unions and state workers deserve better?
but crap! GOOD VIDEO!.
rtardbox 11 months ago
@rtardbox Like the Teaparty-movement much?
IVscythia 11 months ago
@IVscythia pray to marx and hitler much?
rtardbox 11 months ago
@rtardbox You forgot Stalin and Mao, and yea, I am, at the moment, preparing to sarifice 666 babies to them, on my Altar to the Future Nazi-Communist World Wide Empire (because it's not like nazism and communism are totaly contradictory........), which I built from the carcasses of 128 virgins.
Get a reality-check man, and at least answer my queastion: are you supporting the tea-party?
IVscythia 11 months ago
Fuck both sides. Walker tries to act without negotiating, and the teacher's unions close down school for a whole week to show how hard working there are.
RadioFreeWisconsin 11 months ago
Parents are the problem with our education system. Not teachers, not lack of funding, but lack of parenting.
subdid23 11 months ago
Oh by the way, consolidating the deficit, Walker wants to reduce the corporate taxrate. How is that gonna help? How about the rich get tax increases as well (since bush tax cuts were renewed they should have money to spare) Here in germany the the highest income tax is about 50% and we are not running out of rich people....
Your1maginaryFriend 11 months ago
@Your1maginaryFriend "How about the rich get tax increases as well"
Of course. Where have I suggested the contrary?
"Here in germany the the highest income tax is about 50% and we are not running out of rich people...."
I'm guessing generous loopholes.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan Well there are a few, but not to the level that they would pay would pay significantly less without commiting crimes
Your1maginaryFriend 11 months ago
goodbye anti bullshitman, maybe you should cut the anti from your channel name. Have fun strawmanning....
Your1maginaryFriend 11 months ago
@Your1maginaryFriend "Have fun strawmanning"
Quote the straw.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan The Unions agreed to paycuts, you stated that they protest because of the paycuts....
Your1maginaryFriend 11 months ago
@Your1maginaryFriend
It cannot be a strawman as a strawman is rooted in dishonesty. This video began with me pointing out that I haven't followed all the developments, but also that I've been asked to cover this, so I gave my opinion as far as what I thought of it at the time I checked out.
This is primarily about the non-necessity of wide-spread, forceful institutionalized teaching, in 2011. Wisconsin just got caught in the middle of it.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan Well then i take the strawman back and replace it with accusations of stupidness and laziness. If you do a 24 minute video, do a little bit of research. Also Wisconsin is ranked 2nd in education in the US and Finnland which is ranked first has "forcefull institutionalized" staterun education too.
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AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan The protests started when the governor wanted to remove their collective bargaining rights AFTER their union had already agreed to all of his demands.
Saying you didn't know doesn't really let you off the hook for spreading misinformation. At the very least, a video annotation should be added to the relevant portions of the video.
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
The protests were in effect prior to any agreements to Walker's demands:
nytimes(.)com/2011/02/17/us/17wisconsin(.)html?_r=1
Remove brackets.
"video annotation"
At the time of upload, the underbar offered my disapproval of any talks regarding the removal of collective bargaining rights.
"doesn't really let you off the hook"
There is no hook. You need to get over your overinflated sense of playing judge, jury and executioner.
Now let's hear it for some more overuse of caps & insults.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan
AND...your own article even states that Walker wanted to remove their bargaining rights.
Your underbar said you did not approve, but then you go off and rant for 20 minutes about how teachers are greedy, and that they shouldn't be protesting at all? Sorry for not believing your underbar with everything you said in the video.
You need to get over your overinflated sense of thinking that you're right about issues you quite frankly know nothing about.
AylinIsAwesome 11 months ago
"your own article even states that Walker wanted to remove their bargaining"
The purpose of the link isn't C.B. related. You claimed there were no protests prior to the 7% cut agreements. The timeline speaks for itself.
"Your underbar said you did not approve, but then you go off and rant for 20 minutes about how teachers are greedy"
You're using black&white reasoning here, essentially telling me that I cannot genuinely oppose threats to end C.B. while opposing protests over 7% cuts. Inane.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan 1) I see that US continue to have the worst record in Western World in violating UN Right articles on Labor right stated in articles 23 there it´s written"
"Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.."
zsylvana 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan2) and UN art.23 - "Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests."
ILO have reported about this vilolatons against Unions and Labor right in US constantly since Reagan era in early 1980-tees.
zsylvana 11 months ago
/facepalm
bayinghound666 11 months ago
The unions made the paycut concessions a while back, so one is really "whining" about that much anymore. At least not on the public level.
EDOfyingFilms 11 months ago
There is no reason whatsoever to strip anyone of Union rights, and CERTAINLY NOT in the false premise of saving taxpayer money. Nowhere, Nohow!
awreslr2 11 months ago
If it was me I would only accept a 7% pay cut if everyone who earned more then me also had to take a 7% pay cut.
karakzanreal 11 months ago
Fuck you, shithead. They already agreed to Walker's fucking cuts, just not bargaining rights.
FUCK YOU. And this was after Walker gave fucking corporations tax breaks.... AND THAT ADDS TO OUR DEBT.
FUCK YOU.
donnyforte2 11 months ago
@donnyforte2 c'mon, i don't know how it can be more obvious that he is not aware of the situation, he even said it in the beginning that he doesn't know shit about it.
bladedaemon666 11 months ago
@bladedaemon666 Exactly. This is a BULLSHIT video and should be fucking taken down.
donnyforte2 11 months ago
@donnyforte2 "and should be fucking taken down"
Go take a timeout & come back when you manage to take control your reactionary outbursts.
The majority of this 24 minute video is unrelated to the protests. It's about the faults of the education system as a whole. What the protesters did or did not manage to accomplish, is wholly irrelevant to the big picture.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
@AntiBullshitMan "It's about the faults of the education system as a whole."
Yeah, which is largely the fault of POVERTY. Let me say it again POV-ER-TY. It's not about "throwing more money" at FUCKING education. It's not this bullshit claim of "bad teachers". It's about children in fucking poverty.
21:36-21:54 ONCE AGAIN, FUCK YOU. This isn't about the deficit. This is about stripping away future bargaining rights when they agreed to the cuts. And greedy little fucks? FUCK YOU
donnyforte2 11 months ago 3
@donnyforte2
"ONCE AGAIN, FUCK YOU. This isn't about the deficit. This is about stripping away future bargaining rights when they agreed to the cuts. And greedy little fucks? FUCK YOU"
Good grief, Is it really necessary to add insults when addressing his points?
bubbamickmac 11 months ago
@bubbamickmac I like this guy... but this video is one big pile of shit. I'm really just mad he's bought in to it. I'm basically saying "fuck his temporary arguments". I don't think it's going to last... he's a rational person.
donnyforte2 11 months ago
"POV-ER-TY"
Had you not gotten yourself caught up in a fit of senseless rage, you'd have properly gleaned my proposal aimed at giving the poorest students actual incentive to do well in high school as they would have the ability to prove themselves in the post-secondary arena, for free.
"This is about stripping away future bargaining rights"
I made it clear in the lowbar that I don't endorse that.
"ONCE AGAIN, FUCK YOU"
The more often you type it out in caps, the more amusing you become.
AntiBullshitMan 11 months ago
"I made it clear in the lowbar that I don't endorse that."
And calling them greedy cunts in the process when they've agreed to Walker's proposals, but not on future bargaining rights.
"as they would have the ability to prove themselves in the post-secondary arena"
These are the same types of people (Walker/Koch-like mentalities) who don't even think an education should be a basic right for all. And none of this going to happen without addressing excessive wealth.
donnyforte2 11 months ago