@hotmonkeyfudge they are failed experiments because they were too weak in mind and strength to take JENOVA cells and became numb. They fullfilled other purposes but they never became a sephiroth clone ( a perfect one). In this sense, they are failures, yes. And another thing, Hojo just says he's a failed experiment because Cloud (being deceived by Seph.) asked a number to hojo, saying he was a failure. But, well, he did attend to the reunion, and followed Seph, so he's not so much of a failure.
Woah, why does the music sound all different? It's all....remixed, n' stuff. It sounds really cool, I only have the original ffvii for the ps1. is this what it sounds like on the pc or something?
@flashhasonewing no, not at all. All the versions of ff7 play the same songs. Like the friend below said, the debug room is plenty of features that are (or not) in the game. For example, enemies that never made to the game, places, people, and songs. These "remixed" probably were in a testing process to enter the game and they ended up different.
@zero71234 thank you, i've been waiting for a reply! that was very helpful, thanks a lot. :P not so confused anymore, i was all wanting to find the new sounding versions of the song, lol. it does sound a bit different, i noticed, i think it sounds cool. you see ffvii is my all time fav, the music (in my opinion) is just absolutely amazing, i got the soundtrack and everything. so when i heard (mostly the first part when cloud approaches the soldier) i was all, "Cool!" ^.^ lol
@flashhasonewing okay it's my pleasure. I am glad to meet people that are fans of ff7, and I also think this is the best game ever made. If you have any doubt about the game, feel free to ask. I also know stuff about other ff as well =)
@zero71234 you know i do have a doubt about ffvii...i've played it several times, i feel like i know everything about the game (at least the original except for special hidden stuff like in this video for example). one thing always confused me....cloud killed the real sephiroth by throwing him into the lifestream....then sephiroth is chasing him around. you see the real sephiroth's body when possessed cloud gives him the black materia...what is this other sephiroth, that killed so many people?
@flashhasonewing yes that confuses a lot of people. Okay, first of all, you're right. The real Sephiroth died that day when Cloud Throws him into the mako reactor (that's not lifestream :) ) . After Sephiroth died, Shinra started a program to try to clone him again. As you know, sephiroth was created by Doctor Gast, and used Lucelia (she's the love of Vincent's life, remember?). so, remember when you visit Nibelheim for the first time? and there was those people in black? They are failed clones.
@zero71234 yeah i always forget if it's the lifestream or mako, lol. yeah i forgot i was confused about the guys in cloaks, too! so it's really a sephiroth clone? i mean that's what i'd been thinking, but idk somehow it didn't seem right to me, right as in correct. i'm still a little confused, though, because hojo says cloud is the only failed experiment....or is that right? maybe he's not the only one...you know i think you're right about all this, actually. he is a clone!
@flashhasonewing Actually, he's not a clone. Cloud was infused with mako and JENOVA cells, but he didn't turn into a "clone" so for that Hojo considers him a failed experiment. When Zack and Cloud were arrested, some experients were made and you know the rest, Cloud mixed his memories with zack and his own, and also Sephiroth was deceiving him saying that he was a clone. let's do this, send me a message in my profile, i will explain it better to you, by here or email.
@zero71234 oops i'm sorry i wasn't making myself clear. i meant the 2nd sephiroth is a clone, not cloud, ^^; pretty much my whole confusion of this entire game roots to where the 2nd sephiroth and they guys in the cloaks came from. that's the only thing i don't know. it's never been clear...i know hojo talked about clones,i remember hojo talking about it a lot.but after the real sephiroth gets the black materia...is that the real sephy taking over, or r u still fighting the clone?
@zero71234 I was thinking a lot of time about this... the first incomplete scene is a exeperiment session with cloud, the lack of que quotes indicates a message about someone talking to cloud and not cloud talking, sorry about my bad english, but this is interesting and I try to talk... Im still finding the song on 0:39 at 0:54, the song that darthaeris told is not the song... >.<
The Debug Room is a feature in FF7 only accesible through the use of Gameshark or the like. From what I've seen, It's a room that the Develepors used to test systems of the game. A lot of these cutscenes are Incomplete because of various ideas that were scrapped. It is also a graveyard of misc stuff. This is why a lot of it crashes your game ;).
@Imsmoke855 you know....the FFX remake is just a widescreen remake and the edges and graphics just look a bit better...they wouldn't do a real FFX remake with badass graphics and so on either....it would just take fkn 100 years to make a FF7 remake...and the old graphics and all this just makes it the game that it is...
@blitzvomitew16 DoC has to do with Crisis Core....and i just talked about FF7 not the movie or every other game, so why do you throw your opinion, which is not an opinion since it looks like that you have the highest opinion, at me?
Last Order was just a shitty looking anime (idk why they even created that mess), AC..some stupid after story (i personally did not like the movie and the voice actors was shitty to me)....Dirge of Cerberus was terrible...enough said
Crisis Core...10/10 game
I HOPE they don't touch FF7 anymore..they already did enough damage. let it go!
they are already trying to hype up their other games saying it may be the next FF7...pssh..stop livin in the past.
@Imsmoke855 i hear ya,i'm on the verge of giving up on that dream,i dont think i'll see a 7 remake ever and i'm about to give up hope for kh3,but a ffx remake meh might not be bad,any idea if there is trophey support?
i am pretty sure these arent _"hidden" or "removed" cut scenes.it was probably 8 years ago ive finished this game and im damn sure ive seen these once...
I think I may have actually seen that Materia one in game, or some variation of it. It seems really familiar and I never owned a Gameshark for PS1 :-x Though I haven't played FFVII in a long time. Cool find dude.
@RobChapman91 It's similar to the conversation Cloud, Sephiroth and Tifa have in the flashback in Mt Nibel, where they come across the Mako Fountain. They probably moved this scene from this part of the flashback to that part for some reason.
Another video shows that the second scene was before Avalanche woke him up, then the scene goes to Seventh Heaven (->pinball)
But the first scene creeps me out! I'm having nightmares. He's coming from far away... staring into the camera and freaking out, talking to YOU O__O I'm not kidding >_>
@xMonoAlphax Oddlt its not. some time if u put cheats useing gameshark, codebreaker, etc, that thing will pop up after u start new game. There are a bunch of otehr black mrooms like that one, were u spawn to other points in the game or u can fight lil triangle monsters and u get 500,000 each battle, and u can get all materia maxed.
If you try and view the first cuscene while your still "Ex-soldier" It will just view the cuscene when cloud jump ontop of the train after getting away from the shinra guard's near the beggening of the game.
First scene was most likely just a placeholder that was never fully deleted for whatever reason. The second could be any number of thousands of things, but following the same logic as above, it was likely the placeholder/testing scene for the flashback of Seph and Cloud talking. Programmers/Translators were likely just trying to put something there while waiting for actual dialogue. But who knows.
O.K, the train cutscene is weird... God knows what he's talking 'bout... the Materia one isn't that weird, but it's freaky that the game crashes after the white screen... and your debug menu is in English? Like... mine had some random words when I talked with a character like "den" ... I don't remember, I just know they didn't make sense \ were not English, and it was on the PC version...
@MJNSEIFER You know, that's a good point. But I don't see the harm in introducing Sephiroth at that point. It's not like it spoils anything, it just shows that he existed. And it's cryptic enough, like many seemingly random flashbacks in the game. I still haven't figured out the whole "Watch out! this isn't just a reactor!!" thing.
Besides, most people already saw Sephiroth, in the handbook that comes with the game, anyway. But, for whatever reason, they cut it.
@MJNSEIFER *shrug* I have an original copy from 1997, and It has in the "bio" section, a "photo" of his face, and his bio is practically all "unknowns" aside from his name and height. But that's the only mention of him in the handbook. Not even enough to determine what side he's on.
Yeah, a lot of stuff in FF7 wasn't included because it had to be released on time. With a Gameshark you can look at even more cutscenes, but I'm on the PC so I can only find the ones from the debug room...
In the case of the materia scene- I suspect they dropped that one since they had the later scene in the materia cave that explains the same thing. Why include this one?
As to the train thing... probably happens after cloud bursts in and talks to the group...
Why they're partially in english... I think the debug room was also planned to double as a "deleted scenes room" feature, considering how much didn't make the final cut, and the game was rushed so that was all cut.
that music for the train scene at beginning is eerie as hell. like its dark and im alone and its fuckin creepin me out lol
9dragonsuser 4 hours ago
how do you even get to the debug room?
ssyw2700 1 month ago
I remember the train scene in my game. But the dialog was different.
3Dyler 1 month ago
The cutscene where cloud asks sephiroth how they make materia was in the game, I remember seeing that scene when I played through it.
mysteriousdewd 2 months ago
@mysteriousdewd no its different
oomsbun 1 month ago
Cloud's body is not ready yet!!!
toshi1 2 months ago
the 1st one MOST DEF!
SHOULD had been a random "now loading" that would pop up randomly just to scare the hell out of us.
would had been PERFECT!
blitzvomitew16 2 months ago
Both of these scenes are in the game regularly. It's not particularly special.
Sarstan 2 months ago
Hmm that's really interesting
himez123 3 months ago
@zero71234 The black cloaks are successful experiments. The only failed one is Cloud. Hojo even says it himself.
hotmonkeyfudge 4 months ago
@hotmonkeyfudge they are failed experiments because they were too weak in mind and strength to take JENOVA cells and became numb. They fullfilled other purposes but they never became a sephiroth clone ( a perfect one). In this sense, they are failures, yes. And another thing, Hojo just says he's a failed experiment because Cloud (being deceived by Seph.) asked a number to hojo, saying he was a failure. But, well, he did attend to the reunion, and followed Seph, so he's not so much of a failure.
zero71234 4 months ago
Woah, why does the music sound all different? It's all....remixed, n' stuff. It sounds really cool, I only have the original ffvii for the ps1. is this what it sounds like on the pc or something?
flashhasonewing 4 months ago
@flashhasonewing no, not at all. All the versions of ff7 play the same songs. Like the friend below said, the debug room is plenty of features that are (or not) in the game. For example, enemies that never made to the game, places, people, and songs. These "remixed" probably were in a testing process to enter the game and they ended up different.
zero71234 4 months ago
@zero71234 thank you, i've been waiting for a reply! that was very helpful, thanks a lot. :P not so confused anymore, i was all wanting to find the new sounding versions of the song, lol. it does sound a bit different, i noticed, i think it sounds cool. you see ffvii is my all time fav, the music (in my opinion) is just absolutely amazing, i got the soundtrack and everything. so when i heard (mostly the first part when cloud approaches the soldier) i was all, "Cool!" ^.^ lol
flashhasonewing 4 months ago
@flashhasonewing okay it's my pleasure. I am glad to meet people that are fans of ff7, and I also think this is the best game ever made. If you have any doubt about the game, feel free to ask. I also know stuff about other ff as well =)
zero71234 4 months ago
@zero71234 you know i do have a doubt about ffvii...i've played it several times, i feel like i know everything about the game (at least the original except for special hidden stuff like in this video for example). one thing always confused me....cloud killed the real sephiroth by throwing him into the lifestream....then sephiroth is chasing him around. you see the real sephiroth's body when possessed cloud gives him the black materia...what is this other sephiroth, that killed so many people?
flashhasonewing 4 months ago
@flashhasonewing yes that confuses a lot of people. Okay, first of all, you're right. The real Sephiroth died that day when Cloud Throws him into the mako reactor (that's not lifestream :) ) . After Sephiroth died, Shinra started a program to try to clone him again. As you know, sephiroth was created by Doctor Gast, and used Lucelia (she's the love of Vincent's life, remember?). so, remember when you visit Nibelheim for the first time? and there was those people in black? They are failed clones.
zero71234 4 months ago
@zero71234 yeah i always forget if it's the lifestream or mako, lol. yeah i forgot i was confused about the guys in cloaks, too! so it's really a sephiroth clone? i mean that's what i'd been thinking, but idk somehow it didn't seem right to me, right as in correct. i'm still a little confused, though, because hojo says cloud is the only failed experiment....or is that right? maybe he's not the only one...you know i think you're right about all this, actually. he is a clone!
flashhasonewing 4 months ago
@flashhasonewing Actually, he's not a clone. Cloud was infused with mako and JENOVA cells, but he didn't turn into a "clone" so for that Hojo considers him a failed experiment. When Zack and Cloud were arrested, some experients were made and you know the rest, Cloud mixed his memories with zack and his own, and also Sephiroth was deceiving him saying that he was a clone. let's do this, send me a message in my profile, i will explain it better to you, by here or email.
zero71234 4 months ago
@zero71234 oops i'm sorry i wasn't making myself clear. i meant the 2nd sephiroth is a clone, not cloud, ^^; pretty much my whole confusion of this entire game roots to where the 2nd sephiroth and they guys in the cloaks came from. that's the only thing i don't know. it's never been clear...i know hojo talked about clones,i remember hojo talking about it a lot.but after the real sephiroth gets the black materia...is that the real sephy taking over, or r u still fighting the clone?
flashhasonewing 4 months ago
@zero71234 I was thinking a lot of time about this... the first incomplete scene is a exeperiment session with cloud, the lack of que quotes indicates a message about someone talking to cloud and not cloud talking, sorry about my bad english, but this is interesting and I try to talk... Im still finding the song on 0:39 at 0:54, the song that darthaeris told is not the song... >.<
graster97 2 months ago
@graster97 ok no problem I'm brazilian so I speak portuguese and a little spanish, what is your language?
and the song's name is REUNION. My fav song of this game.
zero71234 2 months ago
@zero71234 *-* thanks, my languaje is spanish
graster97 2 months ago
Someone can tell me the name of the OST that sounds on the 0:39 at 0:54? my english is a shit >.< sorry, but i hope you understand
graster97 4 months ago
@graster97
It is called " A secret Sleeping in the deep Sea". It plays Underwater
darthaeris 4 months ago
what is the debug room? how do you get to it?
MrJack83124 5 months ago
@MrJack83124
The Debug Room is a feature in FF7 only accesible through the use of Gameshark or the like. From what I've seen, It's a room that the Develepors used to test systems of the game. A lot of these cutscenes are Incomplete because of various ideas that were scrapped. It is also a graveyard of misc stuff. This is why a lot of it crashes your game ;).
darthaeris 4 months ago
Me: Hey Square Enix, How about a FF7 remake?
SE: WE'RE NOT READY YET... WOAH!!
Me: You were sure ready to make a FFX remake thought. >.<
Imsmoke855 5 months ago 6
@Imsmoke855 you know....the FFX remake is just a widescreen remake and the edges and graphics just look a bit better...they wouldn't do a real FFX remake with badass graphics and so on either....it would just take fkn 100 years to make a FF7 remake...and the old graphics and all this just makes it the game that it is...
Skullmakerdemon 2 months ago
@Skullmakerdemon
Crisis Core was good enough 4 me.
AC, Last Order and Dirge of Cerberus are shit though & should had NEVER been created.
blitzvomitew16 2 months ago
@blitzvomitew16 DoC has to do with Crisis Core....and i just talked about FF7 not the movie or every other game, so why do you throw your opinion, which is not an opinion since it looks like that you have the highest opinion, at me?
Skullmakerdemon 2 months ago
@Skullmakerdemon
my point is they need to leave the series alone and move on.
theres no need for a remake.
blitzvomitew16 2 months ago
@blitzvomitew16 I know. i dont want a remake. the old ff7 is more than enough.
Skullmakerdemon 2 months ago
@Skullmakerdemon
Last Order was just a shitty looking anime (idk why they even created that mess), AC..some stupid after story (i personally did not like the movie and the voice actors was shitty to me)....Dirge of Cerberus was terrible...enough said
Crisis Core...10/10 game
I HOPE they don't touch FF7 anymore..they already did enough damage. let it go!
they are already trying to hype up their other games saying it may be the next FF7...pssh..stop livin in the past.
blitzvomitew16 2 months ago
@Imsmoke855 i hear ya,i'm on the verge of giving up on that dream,i dont think i'll see a 7 remake ever and i'm about to give up hope for kh3,but a ffx remake meh might not be bad,any idea if there is trophey support?
CodPlayer951 2 months ago
@CodPlayer951 i herd ones coming out next year
fgd49v2 2 months ago
I love the debug room
zero71234 5 months ago
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darthaeris 4 months ago
i am pretty sure these arent _"hidden" or "removed" cut scenes.it was probably 8 years ago ive finished this game and im damn sure ive seen these once...
wtfidontknowlol 5 months ago
That was the first one, the second worked though.
Cyprinify 6 months ago
didn't work for me. It goes to the scene where the gang talks about cloud when he doesn't make it to the train... : \
Cyprinify 6 months ago
"It's not ready yet"... Could that be referring to the game itself? Was it an incomplete cutscene that had been cut out for that reason?
phlim2 7 months ago
I think I've seen the train scene in the normal game. Can't remember seeing the second one though.
TheDeathtacle 9 months ago
no wonder they normally show ppl with no mouth...
summoningmurderur 9 months ago
Hahahaah sephiroth loves clouds hair that much?
1:05
12alex2 1 year ago
the good old ff7 :) man.. cant believe i forgot this game; the awesome story, the unique characters and those badass popeye arms.
suyinoco 1 year ago
@xMonoAlphax its not look it up
dragonballRNM78 1 year ago
I think I may have actually seen that Materia one in game, or some variation of it. It seems really familiar and I never owned a Gameshark for PS1 :-x Though I haven't played FFVII in a long time. Cool find dude.
RobChapman91 1 year ago
@RobChapman91 It's similar to the conversation Cloud, Sephiroth and Tifa have in the flashback in Mt Nibel, where they come across the Mako Fountain. They probably moved this scene from this part of the flashback to that part for some reason.
YOMANA666 11 months ago
hey whats the code your using for this debug room? im using PEC for cheating on ps1 emulator. is there a better gameshark to use?
bfullstar 1 year ago
Another video shows that the second scene was before Avalanche woke him up, then the scene goes to Seventh Heaven (->pinball)
But the first scene creeps me out! I'm having nightmares. He's coming from far away... staring into the camera and freaking out, talking to YOU O__O I'm not kidding >_>
Kanaro 1 year ago
@xMonoAlphax Oddlt its not. some time if u put cheats useing gameshark, codebreaker, etc, that thing will pop up after u start new game. There are a bunch of otehr black mrooms like that one, were u spawn to other points in the game or u can fight lil triangle monsters and u get 500,000 each battle, and u can get all materia maxed.
maldread88 1 year ago
interesting... these scenes are not in FF7 and i can assure you that coz im a hc fan of that series.
also this IS real and debug room.
51vk5 1 year ago
At 1:05 Seph looks like a blow-up doll
Deseasel 1 year ago 18
"It's not ready yet", perhaps he's refering about the original body of Sephiroth on Northern Crater? "Not ready yet to come back". Hmmm...
Since Cloud have those headaches and talks nonsense sometimes. Well, idk. XD
BingBangPoe 1 year ago
wow that was a weird cutscene really weird
subpower1 1 year ago
XD I couldn't help by laugh at Sephiroth's face : 0
Anyway, that first scene will always make me wonder, as for the second well, it was just interesting.
starstarSTARS2 1 year ago
this or mgs1 as best game ever, such an epic and imaginative story and environment tht it makes real life seem ordinary when compared
TheBlackDelorian 1 year ago
The second one is in the EU version of FF7, i can remember it :)
CACTUARLOL 1 year ago
It only appeared in the Crisis Core.
etoangfavoriteko 1 year ago
Is this the PC version?
IrishRetroGamer 1 year ago
If you try and view the first cuscene while your still "Ex-soldier" It will just view the cuscene when cloud jump ontop of the train after getting away from the shinra guard's near the beggening of the game.
Lucario1423 1 year ago
The scene with cloud is so creepy and that music... pretty scary
Selvador100 1 year ago
Umm... Why show us the parts that crash the game? xD
MegaDarkAngel2010 2 years ago
@MegaDarkAngel2010 historical interest.
TerrorBlack 1 year ago
First scene was most likely just a placeholder that was never fully deleted for whatever reason. The second could be any number of thousands of things, but following the same logic as above, it was likely the placeholder/testing scene for the flashback of Seph and Cloud talking. Programmers/Translators were likely just trying to put something there while waiting for actual dialogue. But who knows.
Variand 2 years ago
That was pretty cool, there's some interesting things in the debug room lol.
FluffyChocobo 2 years ago
O.K, the train cutscene is weird... God knows what he's talking 'bout... the Materia one isn't that weird, but it's freaky that the game crashes after the white screen... and your debug menu is in English? Like... mine had some random words when I talked with a character like "den" ... I don't remember, I just know they didn't make sense \ were not English, and it was on the PC version...
WTFOMGBBQt4 2 years ago
Some parts are English, others will come up with weird symbols and Japanese words like that...
darkevilsharowlord66 2 years ago
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MJNSEIFER 2 years ago
That would seem to make sense. Thanks for the explanation.
darkevilsharowlord66 2 years ago
@MJNSEIFER You know, that's a good point. But I don't see the harm in introducing Sephiroth at that point. It's not like it spoils anything, it just shows that he existed. And it's cryptic enough, like many seemingly random flashbacks in the game. I still haven't figured out the whole "Watch out! this isn't just a reactor!!" thing.
Besides, most people already saw Sephiroth, in the handbook that comes with the game, anyway. But, for whatever reason, they cut it.
blackwingangel04 1 year ago
@blackwingangel04 You make good points, except Sephiroth doesn't have a picture in the handbook.
The "This isn't just a reactor" is part of Cloud's old memory coming out. Remeber there were "monsters" being made in some reactors.
MJNSEIFER 1 year ago
@MJNSEIFER Actually, he does. It's only a "photo" of his face, and not a full image of him, but it's there. And most of the information is "unknown".
That's why I couldn't wait to meet him. I was mistakingly thinking he would be an ally. But boy was I wrong lol.
Ah, I see. I just never made the connection of what that reactor was supposed to be, if it wasn't JUST a reactor.
blackwingangel04 1 year ago
@blackwingangel04 Strange. They must have re-done it then, because there is no picture (not even a face) in the manual I got...
MJNSEIFER 1 year ago
@MJNSEIFER *shrug* I have an original copy from 1997, and It has in the "bio" section, a "photo" of his face, and his bio is practically all "unknowns" aside from his name and height. But that's the only mention of him in the handbook. Not even enough to determine what side he's on.
blackwingangel04 1 year ago
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@blackwingangel04 @MJNSEIFER Weird. I got the platinum release, so maybe it changed for that?
MJNSEIFER 1 year ago
@MJNSEIFER Weird. I got the platinum release, so maybe it changed for that?
MJNSEIFER 1 year ago
I remembah dis.
AttackMyAss 2 years ago
they're probably got cut off due to time or something.
most developers put the data on the disk and scramble it but then they forgot to delete it which results to these xD
PullusPardus 2 years ago
Yeah, a lot of stuff in FF7 wasn't included because it had to be released on time. With a Gameshark you can look at even more cutscenes, but I'm on the PC so I can only find the ones from the debug room...
darkevilsharowlord66 2 years ago
@PullusPardus
In the case of the materia scene- I suspect they dropped that one since they had the later scene in the materia cave that explains the same thing. Why include this one?
As to the train thing... probably happens after cloud bursts in and talks to the group...
Why they're partially in english... I think the debug room was also planned to double as a "deleted scenes room" feature, considering how much didn't make the final cut, and the game was rushed so that was all cut.
udsuna 10 months ago