Going to mars would solve every large issue we are facing.extinctions over population wrold hunger all of it.Wtf r we not there yet is bulshit.for fucken 20years20 we have dne nthing but crcle r planet wile u hear jeopardy music playen in the bck ground.For all of us that knws this is possible we should find Robert and build the craft our fuckens selves and leave like fuck this im tired of Earth. As long as we grabe enuff plants and animals on our first trip we would have no need to come back...
The Apollo era and the contemporary era are vastly different.
Kennedy said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Today, it is the exact opposite, people are selfish. People are not willing to accept a wage freeze to build a component of a spacecraft, "they want their cut". Building a spacecraft today is far more expensive than the Apollo days.
As Dr. Zubrin said, space exploration is critical to the spirit of imagination and innovation that has infected and inspired generations of scientists and engineers, beginning with the first viewers of Star Trek and the first space programs. I wholeheartedly agree with him that Mars is a vital step in our development (and I would love to work for Elon Musk and SpaceX), but with the attitudes of Americans today, the only hope is to make it a profitable commercial venture.
"flags and footprints" may be mediated by the sheer surface time involved in a Mars venture. Multi-month habitations could quickly lead to a small sustainable settlement -- especially if the initial explorers were able and willing to stay
Google "Aldrin Mars stay"
if resources are more easily obtained from NEAs a lunar base runs a much greater risk of being deemed worthless & shut down - then what??
in both the long & short term Mars may be more sustainable than a return to the moon
Someone ought to write a book about all the people who were inspired by the Apollo missions to do amazing things in science and technology. Also, sending humans to Mars increases the odds of actually finding life exponentially compared to doing it with robots. If I had to use a robot to make a simple dinner I'd starve to death waiting. Zubrin's plan is truly ingenious because it actually uses CO2 (abundant on Mars) to create the return fuel, decreasing the amount of weight on the HLV.
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I'll be frank, never been a Zubrin fan. I think his idea has a huge flaw: scale. It sounds like Apollo all over again, too costly to sustain. Great we put humans on Mars then give up 3 years later never to return. Just my $0.02
Well yeah, the simple fact is, NASA isn't capable of doing anything but flags and footprints. In the case of Mars, they'll be required to support humans on the ground for 500 days (thank you celestial mechanics) so those humans could do some real science.. but after doing it once, maybe twice, no amount of "good science" is going to justify going back.
@spacevidcast I know this comment is really old, but I'll respond anyways. I disagree. I think that if we do what Zubrin has suggested in other videos, which is to welcome the participation of many other countries, the prices of these Mars Missions would decrease significantly and may be sustainable over a large period of time. This will sound very stupid, but after reading the book Red Mars, I became quite enthusiastic and optimistic about colonizing Mars. I think it's do-able.
@spacevidcast 1st off apollo paid back $14 for every one spent. its a good investment. high pay back. we will stay if we keep the right mindset. the apollo mindset
@spacevidcast The difference is that now we are developing technologies that can actually allow us to Gain something from being there. This isn't "Hey lets go to the moon so we can say we did" This is "going to Mars is essential to our continued growth as a species." I admit that Zubrin is rather passionate and seems unwilling to accept anything less than his ideal goals, but we have to push the ideal to see any progress.
@Jaxxoff You're right, but the problem is that even if we do want to go to Mars or Luna, the general public finds it to be a waste. The general public doesn't realize how beneficial spaceflight is. And they won't until something huge happens, like a doomsday asteroid or some gigantic natural disaster.
@spacevidcast You know what needs to happen, is there needs to be something big, like Shoemaker Levee 9 again, and the media needs to play it up. That will get us off this rock.
@spacevidcast I thought that the strength of Mars Direct was that it was cheap and sustainable, especially compared to more traditional plans. Whenever he talks about it he stresses the low price tag and the emphasis of staying on Mars. Am I incorrect on this?
Exactly. I like his concepts and the principles upon which he bases his plan. It was certainly very innovative when he (and others) first came up with it. The problem is that his plan, if implemented, would be easily "killable" after the first two or three landings. He needs to offer some sort of a "transition plan" towards a more sustainable, permanent solution. I'd go with Mars Direct if it was just the step one in a winder, long-term Mars exploration/colonization programme.
As for the public - I don't think it would dismiss it like the Apollo, if the programme clearly demonstrated it wasn't just about flags&footprints. Zubrin envisions Mars Direct as an essentially American programme, but it would be better if the first crew was reasonably international (Americans, Europeans, Russians, Japanese). That way much more people would feel connected to the mission. Also, I'd make the mission into a kind of a reality show and air it on prime time TV. People would dig it.
Granted that he is too inthusiastic I cannot blame him. He has been advocating Mars Direct for over 15 or more years. He is just so fed up with NASA and the burocrats behind it.
i know that he has been at it for a very long time, but, he did sound the same way even 10 years ago and one might suggest that he would have picked up a hint that his approach just isn't working.
I mean, if his ideas is so great as he tries to make it out, he should be more into getting it done with his Mars Society and private corporations. Take Elon Musk for example, he is making alot of work towards human space exploration without beating his head against the same wall as Zubrin.
No-one knows how Musk thinks he's going to get to Mars. So far the idea seems to be to fly there in a 10t capsule, in zero-g and do a ballistic reentry.. that simply wont work. If Musk has a workable plan, he isn't sharing it, at least Zubrin is.
Musk wants to go to Mars, yes, but that was not what i ment - he is doing work that leads to space exploration, space exploration that might one day incorporate Mars, but does not have to.
I really like the attitude of Jeff(?) here: watch?v=-leWFKksj1M
maybe not for you but there are many (sane competent) heroes who would be willing to sit in a capsule for merely 180 days and stay on Mars indefinitely...wouldn't it be better to find and send them, rather than dismiss such a trip because others may find it uncomfortable?
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HostileRick1 5 months ago
Going to mars would solve every large issue we are facing.extinctions over population wrold hunger all of it.Wtf r we not there yet is bulshit.for fucken 20years20 we have dne nthing but crcle r planet wile u hear jeopardy music playen in the bck ground.For all of us that knws this is possible we should find Robert and build the craft our fuckens selves and leave like fuck this im tired of Earth. As long as we grabe enuff plants and animals on our first trip we would have no need to come back...
HostileRick1 5 months ago
I love Zubrin, he is inspiring me to pursue aeronautics and astronautics in college.
arrourasanti2 9 months ago
The Apollo era and the contemporary era are vastly different.
Kennedy said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Today, it is the exact opposite, people are selfish. People are not willing to accept a wage freeze to build a component of a spacecraft, "they want their cut". Building a spacecraft today is far more expensive than the Apollo days.
4A5P 1 year ago
As Dr. Zubrin said, space exploration is critical to the spirit of imagination and innovation that has infected and inspired generations of scientists and engineers, beginning with the first viewers of Star Trek and the first space programs. I wholeheartedly agree with him that Mars is a vital step in our development (and I would love to work for Elon Musk and SpaceX), but with the attitudes of Americans today, the only hope is to make it a profitable commercial venture.
sarahvinnet 1 year ago 2
He says Uh alot
henik9 2 years ago
"flags and footprints" may be mediated by the sheer surface time involved in a Mars venture. Multi-month habitations could quickly lead to a small sustainable settlement -- especially if the initial explorers were able and willing to stay
Google "Aldrin Mars stay"
if resources are more easily obtained from NEAs a lunar base runs a much greater risk of being deemed worthless & shut down - then what??
in both the long & short term Mars may be more sustainable than a return to the moon
oceanbluesky 2 years ago
I think Zubrin is right we have to go there. Maybe in 100 years we can go to Alpha Centari, shit I wish I was around then
CanadaDude4 2 years ago
you say it! space travel has always fascinated me since childhood.
theshroud11 2 years ago
Someone ought to write a book about all the people who were inspired by the Apollo missions to do amazing things in science and technology. Also, sending humans to Mars increases the odds of actually finding life exponentially compared to doing it with robots. If I had to use a robot to make a simple dinner I'd starve to death waiting. Zubrin's plan is truly ingenious because it actually uses CO2 (abundant on Mars) to create the return fuel, decreasing the amount of weight on the HLV.
jetpromys 2 years ago
He starts badly, hits his stride, then runs out of time. Zubrin still manages to make some great points.
quantumG 2 years ago
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I'll be frank, never been a Zubrin fan. I think his idea has a huge flaw: scale. It sounds like Apollo all over again, too costly to sustain. Great we put humans on Mars then give up 3 years later never to return. Just my $0.02
spacevidcast 2 years ago
Well yeah, the simple fact is, NASA isn't capable of doing anything but flags and footprints. In the case of Mars, they'll be required to support humans on the ground for 500 days (thank you celestial mechanics) so those humans could do some real science.. but after doing it once, maybe twice, no amount of "good science" is going to justify going back.
quantumG 2 years ago
@spacevidcast I know this comment is really old, but I'll respond anyways. I disagree. I think that if we do what Zubrin has suggested in other videos, which is to welcome the participation of many other countries, the prices of these Mars Missions would decrease significantly and may be sustainable over a large period of time. This will sound very stupid, but after reading the book Red Mars, I became quite enthusiastic and optimistic about colonizing Mars. I think it's do-able.
ScientiaVeritasEtLux 1 year ago
@spacevidcast You're misunderstanding him, Mars can support a self-contained colony the Moon can't.
theinsane102 1 year ago
@spacevidcast 1st off apollo paid back $14 for every one spent. its a good investment. high pay back. we will stay if we keep the right mindset. the apollo mindset
kokofan50 1 year ago
@spacevidcast The difference is that now we are developing technologies that can actually allow us to Gain something from being there. This isn't "Hey lets go to the moon so we can say we did" This is "going to Mars is essential to our continued growth as a species." I admit that Zubrin is rather passionate and seems unwilling to accept anything less than his ideal goals, but we have to push the ideal to see any progress.
Jaxxoff 1 year ago
@Jaxxoff You're right, but the problem is that even if we do want to go to Mars or Luna, the general public finds it to be a waste. The general public doesn't realize how beneficial spaceflight is. And they won't until something huge happens, like a doomsday asteroid or some gigantic natural disaster.
spacevidcast 1 year ago
@spacevidcast You know what needs to happen, is there needs to be something big, like Shoemaker Levee 9 again, and the media needs to play it up. That will get us off this rock.
Or a Coronal Mass Ejection.
Or a bigger version of the Bird Flu.
Or what about North Korea or Iran getting Nukes?
In 1970 we had the Cold War.
Eagle1Division2 1 year ago
@spacevidcast I thought that the strength of Mars Direct was that it was cheap and sustainable, especially compared to more traditional plans. Whenever he talks about it he stresses the low price tag and the emphasis of staying on Mars. Am I incorrect on this?
Weenchit 1 year ago
@spacevidcast
Exactly. I like his concepts and the principles upon which he bases his plan. It was certainly very innovative when he (and others) first came up with it. The problem is that his plan, if implemented, would be easily "killable" after the first two or three landings. He needs to offer some sort of a "transition plan" towards a more sustainable, permanent solution. I'd go with Mars Direct if it was just the step one in a winder, long-term Mars exploration/colonization programme.
Winner8501 1 year ago
As for the public - I don't think it would dismiss it like the Apollo, if the programme clearly demonstrated it wasn't just about flags&footprints. Zubrin envisions Mars Direct as an essentially American programme, but it would be better if the first crew was reasonably international (Americans, Europeans, Russians, Japanese). That way much more people would feel connected to the mission. Also, I'd make the mission into a kind of a reality show and air it on prime time TV. People would dig it.
Winner8501 1 year ago
I wish he huch at least an hour to speak. He is so inthusiastic about Mars, and has been since the early 90s.
NIK4EVA 2 years ago 2
yes, he is even a bit too entusiastic for his own good as he probably invokes a defensive stance in the commission...
mattetjus 2 years ago
Granted that he is too inthusiastic I cannot blame him. He has been advocating Mars Direct for over 15 or more years. He is just so fed up with NASA and the burocrats behind it.
NIK4EVA 2 years ago
i know that he has been at it for a very long time, but, he did sound the same way even 10 years ago and one might suggest that he would have picked up a hint that his approach just isn't working.
I mean, if his ideas is so great as he tries to make it out, he should be more into getting it done with his Mars Society and private corporations. Take Elon Musk for example, he is making alot of work towards human space exploration without beating his head against the same wall as Zubrin.
mattetjus 2 years ago
No-one knows how Musk thinks he's going to get to Mars. So far the idea seems to be to fly there in a 10t capsule, in zero-g and do a ballistic reentry.. that simply wont work. If Musk has a workable plan, he isn't sharing it, at least Zubrin is.
quantumG 2 years ago
Musk wants to go to Mars, yes, but that was not what i ment - he is doing work that leads to space exploration, space exploration that might one day incorporate Mars, but does not have to.
I really like the attitude of Jeff(?) here: watch?v=-leWFKksj1M
around 32-33 minutes into the clip.
mattetjus 2 years ago
maybe not for you but there are many (sane competent) heroes who would be willing to sit in a capsule for merely 180 days and stay on Mars indefinitely...wouldn't it be better to find and send them, rather than dismiss such a trip because others may find it uncomfortable?
oceanbluesky 2 years ago