Global Warming Denial - Segment 3 - Science Opposition

[bunnysandwizards]

The narrator puts me to sleep, I got almost a minute into this video before I totally lost interest. Who picked him?

[killerbee04x]

@bunnysandwizards well instead up watching tv, get some audio books. learn to lissen. learn to lot go.

[drkstrong]

The Oregon Petiton: watch?v=C8NVsmgeFmo

The petition project is the same as the Oregon Petition.

The Heidelberg Appeal does not mention anything about climate - it was an appeal for deregulation of industry pushed primarily by Phillip Morris.

Depopulation See: watch?v=PVJSrvVVvxM

[cygnicom]

@drkstrong

Dr. Strong, the Oregon Petition was a cooperative effort of a number of institutions. The Heidelberg Appeal had a wider focus of environmental issues that Global Warming is a part of. It opposed "irrational ideology" that is "opposed to scientific and industrial progress." Deregulation of industry pushes into the opposite direction. I have posted Dr. Hugh Ellsaesser's 1999 article on the "ice-age-ahead-iaa" site, where he describes both the Oregon and Heidelberg projects.

[drkstrong]

@cygnicom The Heidelberg Appeal does not mention climate, it is deliberately vague so it would get more signatures. It was originally aimed at supporting teh campaign to support smoking (which it failed) many of the "scientific" advocates against smoking bans then switched to GW where there was more money to be made (Singer, Baliunas, et al.). Hence the Oregon petition. If so great why did the Oregon Petition (now the Petition Project) start with a fraudulent scientific paper to justify itself?

[cygnicom]

@drkstrong

Dr. Strong, the Heidelberg appeal was focused on unscientific assumptions, prompted by 50 prominent scientists. Dr. Ellsaesser states that the appeal was focused at Rio. - The Oregon Petition appears to have been launched by students from a number of institutions who were disgusted by the abuse of science and cobbled something together, as students do. I am amazed at how many people responded, and from what a wide field, not just climatologists.

[drkstrong]

@cygnicom It was launched and funded by the OISM (a political front). According to the Oregon Petition's own statistics only 37 (out of 31,000) people CLAIMED (no checks) to have qualifications in climatology. I checked many who claimed qualifications in my state and only 5% of them were scientists who had any relevant scientific experience in that or related fields. Over a third were frauds (vets, dentists, funeral directors, politicians, dead, etc). I knew two of them & neither knew about it.

[cygnicom]

@drkstrong

Thank you Dr. Strong. I was not aware of the political front standing behind the Oregon campaign that may have inspired the fake replies. If this is the case, it comes to light as a political ploy to discredit science even further. In this case I am not surprised. Now I understand your special attention to it, and aim to do so likewise in the near future. Thanks. - Rolf Witzsche

[drkstrong]

@cygnicom Let me know if I can help.

[cygnicom]

@drkstrong

Dr. Strong, re your comment on depopulation. It was stated in a message from the (former) Optimum Population Trust to the 2009 UN Climate Change Conference, that the cheapest way to address global warming is to massively reduce the world population to below 4 billion. Depopulation is a part of the GW agenda. Isn't that why we burn food in a starving world, in automobiles as bio fuels under the Global Warming doctrine? Some want to see humanity reduced to less than a billion.

[drkstrong]

@cygnicom I could send a message tot he UN Climate conference saying that the whole issue could be solved by eating haddock twice a week. Does not mean I am right or the climate conference endorses such a view. Many groups believe that over population is a problem and say so. So what?

[cygnicom]

@drkstrong

Dr. Strong, if you lived through the Nazi years as a child, and then see food being burnt in a world with a billion people living in chronic starvation, you wouldn't say, so what? When ideology becomes genocidal practice, it is time to say stop. Otherwise one becomes a victim oneself.

[drkstrong]

@cygnicom The Nazis. My wife's family mostly died at the hands of the Nazis so I resent you dragging that red herring into a scientific debate. It undermines your credibility.

As for corn being used for gas, I think you will find that was the idea of the farming lobby. I was at a climate conference at the time that was being proposed by congress & just about every scientist (on both sides of the debate) said it was a stupid idea. The politiicians listen to $s not the scientists, as now.

[cygnicom]

@drkstrong

Dr. Stong, I don't see the Nazi policy as a red herring. A sister was killed by it. When I hear high-level policy makers proposing depopulation in conjunction with GW policy and military force to enforce policy, I see the ghost of the past on the horizon again. We have a food crisis in the USA resulting from the bad weather and no relenting on the bio-fuels policy, which is promoted under the GW cover, which sadly, science supports all that.

[drkstrong]

@cygnicom Please give source and quotes on "high-level leaders proposing depopulation"