What you need to appreciate music is a chamber in your soul that thirsts for more than the belly can take.. and the ability to pause in mid-stride and take the time to listen to something outside your usual commotion of body and mind..
How ironic. The most divine piece ever written, on top of that in D sharp minor, is composed by Mozart, a man who composed almost everytime in major keys.
A psychologist might note that D Minor (his favorite and best) brings out his best and his worst -- that is the darkness of his soul, the strengths of his spirit and the devils that drove him to write. If I were Dr. Freud, I might add that Mozart wrote from the right side -- which ruled his life and music. It is this haunting lyricism that I like.
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those dudes look like a bunch of queers witht their mouths open like that. they just harsh wanting the conductors Baton aka my fav title the stick lol. Especially the fat dude with the glasses and queerish version of ed norton with gotee next to him. no disrespect to norton hese wild and this symphony is beautiful. tc and much love to all.
Listen. I don't understand music very well. I can't write music, I can't read music and I can't tell the difference between classical musicians. But even as a simpleton, when I listen to this, I know I am listening to something incredible
@imyumi yes you are hearing something incredible. It was written by a young man who had an incredible talent and who, wrote this in his last days. Some of it possibly right from his death bed.
Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine. Et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te decet hymnus, Deus, in Sion, Et tibi reddetur votum in Jerusalem Exaudi orationem meam Ad te omnis caro veniet. Requiem aeternam dona defunctis, Domine. Et lux perpetua luceat eis. Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine Et lux perpetua eis. Kyrie, eleison! Christe, eleison! Kyrie, eleison!
Mozart's music is epic cause it make's you feel different, then Bach. Have nothing to do with orchestra.Different idea.Mozart and Bach can not be compared, of course, if not borne in US.
prob one of the most heart felt masses ever written, I am so glad I am not bipolar or a depressed person because I would probably kill myself when listening to such things
@mtv565 Haha, you're still here? You know, I just discovered Contrapunctus XIV about a week or so ago, and it's superior to any fugue I've ever heard (and I'll finish it one day).
Glenn Gould's interpretation, by the way, is the best out of all the ones I've heard so far.
@HerlockSholmes123 It's a great Quadruple Fugue in D minor. Listen to Davitt Moroney's completion of this great fugue, with the Art of Fugue main theme appearing in the end as the finale climax. It's the far most convincing completion among all scholars. Glenn Gould's tempo of this fugue is too slow...
@mtv565 I'm not bearing grudges....you are just incredibly condescending. Not every educated person is going to agree with you and you have to learn to accept that.
@Elainelps0421 You should have moved on the previous time, yet you came back and put words into my mouth. I don't have to agree to disagree whatever, facts are facts. It's all written down during the course of history. You can't change history by ignoring or disagreeing. You have alot to change about yourself.
@Elainelps0421 And, there's no constraints in Baroque music as far as Bach's works are concerned. Virtually, the fugal possibilities in his fugues are vast. So why do you say that "some people are still trying to impose the constraints of the Baroque"? You have some bad grudge or attitude problem?
@mtv565 You seem to think if a composer's work does not reflect Bach's in some way, it cannot be good. The Classical Era was a protest to the Baroque Era. Of course there will be fugal works in the Classical Era, but the fugue is not what the Classical Era is known for. It has its own special qualities and it has equally wonderful and substantial works based on its own merits.
@mtv565 "Mozart is a good composer, but he is certainly not the best. His early music lacks counterpoint and depth, and were described by critics as “childish doodlings”. Only when he got exposed to Bach’s fugues, his music then started to develop counterpoint and harmony depth. Even when he learnt, his music is not considered the “best”. Listen to Bach’s Mass in B minor, then you would know how profound it is as compared to Mozart’s Requiem" <------Here are your words, then. Better?
@Elainelps0421 It's not what I THINK but historic facts from reference books. If Mozart were influenced by Telemann or Vivaldi, I would have stated the same.... 8)
@Elainelps0421 in mozart's defense he actually didnt write alot of this...he was hired to write this piece but died before it was finished...i forgot who finished composing this but whoever it was did so with the bit that mozart was able to write before passing...imagine what this piece could havve been if mozart himself would have been able to finish it :) in letters found by him he says that while composing he feels like he is actually writing this requiem for himself
@leical9 Actually, his student, Sussmayer, finished the Requiem, but by my research, it was all based on Mozart's themes, so he had a part in all of it. I love this Requeim. It's one of my favorite pieces and have played it several times :)
@Elainelps0421 ...Ive heard Bach's Bminor mass, and while impressive, Bach doesnt even compare to Mozart's musical ability. Let's put it this way: Mozart could do anything Bach could do. But I can't say the same the other way around. Also, no one had good counterpoint skills as a child. Mozart tried to lay out all he learned in this Requiem before he died but was unable to complete it. To me there was no one better then W.A.M
@fraya1400 I know Mozart's music is "EPIC" because he used very large orchestral and choral forces. Transcribe Bach's Art of Fugue for full orchestral, it would be EPIC and profound at the same time. ;-)
@mtv565 Thanks for the 'heads up'. I like so many grenres of music, classical being one of faves. Any other suggestions you have or come across would be welcomed. I've subscribed so I can get some tips every now & again :o)
@mtv565 actually compared to more contemporary orchestras (i.e. those used by beethoven, mahler, schubert and especially wagner) mozart's orchestras were relatively small, about 35-40 in total and about another 16-20 choir members. it was really his instrumentation that allowed the orchestra such a wide variation between thick, heavy sounds and light and airy, which made it sound larger than it was. in many ways he inspired the idea of a 100+ person orchestra that would be used later
@jkovach89 Compared to Bach's orchestra, Mozart's orchestra with choir is considered "huge". Compared to Bach's Art of Fugue usually for keyboard, Mozart's orchestra is considered "huge"
@mtv565 actually compared to more contemporary orchestras (i.e. those used by beethoven, mahler, schubert and especially wagner) mozart's orchestras were relatively small, about 35-40 in total and about another 16-20 choir members. it was really his instrumentation that allowed the orchestra such a wide variation between thick, heavy sounds and light and airy, which made it sound larger than it was. in many ways he inspired the idea of a 100+ person orchestra that would be used later
I'm not very educated when it comes to fugues, so can someone knowledgable about this subject please tell me what type of fugue the Kyrie is? Is it double? Triple? Quadruple??
@HerlockSholmes123 I'm knowledgeable in the stuff of classical music and I can answer your question. Kyrie Eleison from Mozart's Requiem is a "double fugue", with no double exposition as both 1st and 2nd themes appeared together in the single exposition in the beginning of the piece. To strict, it's a "double accompanied fugue" as both subjects/themes accompanied each other in the exposition.
Also, if it's not too much to ask, another piece by Mozart that has confused me for a while is the 4th movement of the 41st symphony. I don't know if you've heard it or not, but I've heard that its finale is a five-part fugue. Is it? And is it true that no one, not even Bach, has composed something as complex as that?
@HerlockSholmes123 You seems to be trying to *imply* something here... No, the finale from Mozart's 41 symphony is not really a fugue, it is actually a FUGATO. Because [1] the theme is not constant within the 5-parts (violin 1, violin 2, viola, cello, bass), [2] it uses other themes that are not presented in expositions, [3] there is no proper exposition of the 4-note theme. Ironically, you don't seems to have heard Bach's 5-part fugue with 3 themes in C# minor from Well-Tempered Clavier book 1.
@HerlockSholmes123 You wrote: "And is it true that no one, not even Bach, has composed something as complex as that?" You should have NEVER asked this kind of question, because as far as FUGUE is concerned, Bach has virtually done EVERYTHING there is for fugal writing.... [1] 5-part fugue is nothing, Bach composed 6-part fugue for Musical Offering.... [2] One theme is nothing, Bach has composed fugues with 3 themes..... [3] Bach has even composed fugues that can be played backward, upside-down..
@mtv565 I wasn't really implying anything. It's just that I read somewhere that the 41st symphony had something really special about it and that no one has done something like it before. I didn't really know what that "thing" was, and as you can see, I can't differentiate a fugue from a fugato so I immediately assumed it was the most complex "fugue" out there.
By the way, is Bach's 6 part fugue the most complex fugue or are there even more complex ones?
@HerlockSholmes123 As for the implying, you know it yourself. People who can read aren't fools. Fugato isn't really special, other composers have done it too. The crux about fugues isn't the more parts, the more complicated, the better or merrier it is. There're 9-part fugues by other composer but it's really crap. There is something about Bach's fugues that set him apart from other composers who had composed fugues too. Enough spoon-feeding, listen to more fugues to discover for yourself.
@HerlockSholmes123 And if you innocently don't know about something, you only ask humbly WITHOUT assuming anything.... ;-) By the way, have you even heard Bach's and other composers' fugues?
@HerlockSholmes123 I know the answers to your further questions, that’s why I have answered you why Mozart’s 41st symphony’s finale is actually a fugato, not a fugue. And I can go on answering your questions but I feel that you’re clever enough to discover things on your own. For me, nobody taught me why finale from Mozart’s 41st symphony is actually not a fugue, I discovered it for myself, so why can’t you? Unless you’re stupid? Of course not, you’re already “clever” enough to make assumptions.
@mtv565 Well, I guess getting quick answers is a lot better than actually waiting for a few more years until I've acquired enough knowledge about music to be able to answer my own questions. And yes, I've actually heard many fugues from Bach, Buxtehude, Beethoven's Great Fugue, etc. I just didn't know which ones were more complex than others, hence the question about the Kyrie fugue.
@HerlockSholmes123 Again, I repeat: The crux about fugues is NOT about having more parts, the more complex, the better or merrier it is. If it is the case, then the finale of "Young Person's Guide to Orchestra" is a great 14-part fugue. Sure you can get quick, concise, nicely summarised answers but do you really understand why Mozart's 41 sym's finale is not a fugue?
@mtv565 Nope, and that's why I'm starting to dedicate a lot of my time into studying music. So far, I'm only able to play and understand some of Chopin's simplest nocturnes. So, you see, I have a very long way to go, which is why I was sort of impatient about those questions that puzzled me.
By the way, I always assumed that more parts meant that a more intelligent and/or talented composer wrote the fugue. I guess I was wrong, maybe? I guess. But as I said, I have a long way to go.
@HerlockSholmes123 That's a very shallow thinking. It's not about the more parts/voices, the merrier. Not just applicable to fugues, but other pieces too. If yes, then Mahler's orchestral works would be more highly regarded than Bach's. Ever wonder why Bach, Mozart, Handel, Vivaldi's works with 3 to 5 main parts and using only small orchestra are still popular and still impress & amaze musicians and listeners for centuries? Because THEY ACHIEVED GREATNESS WITH SIMPLE MEANS.
@mtv565 I agree with you in that the soul of beauty is simplicity. When something is stripped down to the essensials it is beautiful. However, that did not stop Bach from writing double fugues and mozart triple fugues. Even alot is happening there is nothing present that doesn't belong. That is what makes it beautiful.
@HerlockSholmes123 Example: Bach's Chaconne for solo violin in D minor, just ONE-PART, but it is regarded as one of the greatest (if not, the greatest) violin solo without accompaniment ever composed.
Thanks for posting, I had a video tape of this complete performance but lost it years ago. Mozart's Requiem has always been one of my favorite pieces of work. As with all of the great masterpieces, it has that extra, undefinable spark that sets it apart from everything else.
@MissZinfandel Gardiner is a Baroque expert and notice he uses period instruments. He's trying to recreate a period performance. I would imagine that includes the tuning, which is lower than today's standard of 440 for a concert A. I don't think the orchestra is out of tune with the choir or soloists.
@Elainelps0421 Yes, and I think he's just doing fine this way. Makes it sound more tragic and after all, I think it sounds way better than other recordings. Gardiner is just a genius.
@HyperionResident Youtube provided the interface for comments for people to interact. It is why we are here. If you want no discussion, you should stick to sharing videos via private links/emails.
@mtv565 I never said anything about never discussing anything, but I am against the sort of "discussion" that results in endless debate to the point that the original source for argument is forgotten. Seriously, this whole thing has gone on forever and doesn't look like it's going to end anytime soon. Sure, maybe a small argument here and there, but after awhile, things like these just get old and soon no one will want to hear it. That's why this whole thing is stupid.
@HyperionResident No, this is a fruitful debate as I can see alot of people are well-heard of classical music but not well-read. I'm perfectly alright with discussions, only negative people would see it as "arguments". If everybody wants to keep to themselves, we should ask the government to ban internet so that everyone just stay at home and sleep. Think about what I've said...
@HyperionResident Like I said previously, as long as I see something is not right (especially if it concerns my favourite composers like Bach and Mozart), I feel strongly to stand up and put things right. If you interpret that as "acting like a know-it-all", it only shows you're not open-minded and tolerant enough.
@snarkyskybirds I have the score of the whole Requiem with me. It uses tenor clarinets, bassoons, (no flutes), trumpets, trombones (alto, tenor, bass), timpani, organ, SATB choir, strings orchestra.
One thing I've noticed in particular about Mozart's music is his ability to mash sooo many different things together and still manage to make the music sound coherent and powerful. The kyrie especially here
@HyperionResident I don't care if others care. I don't care if I didn't win any prize. As long as I see something is not right (especially if it concerns my favourite composers like Bach and Mozart), I feel strongly to stand up and put things right.
I might also point out that one of the most profound pieces in Mozart's Magic Flute is the Chorale Prelude for the two Armed Men as Tamino is about to enter on the final trials. This was definitely composed in the Baroque style and as an homage to Bach, whose music Mozart had definitely studied. But remember that he also orchestrated Handel's Messiah, evincing a real admiration for this close contemporary of Bach's who was, in his way, as much of a genius as Bach was.
@philipvanlidth Magic Flute was written approximately 9 years after Mozart was introduced to and arranged some of Bach's fugues. His orchestration of Handel's Messiah was two years prior to Magic Flute and the Requiem Mass. Just putting it out there...then again, who knows? Mozart did not discriminate, he absorbed the good from all hah.
@ Elainephelps0421 & mtv565 Frankly, one of the most profound requiems in my experience is Verdi's Requiem, which is certainly also one of the most operatic requiems, if not the most operatic requiem of all time and chock full of very showy music. Frankly, I wish you two would just agree to disagree and let it go. Life's too short!
Ahhh why don't y'all just chill and enjoy the music? You ruin it with all that debate crap... I may only be a high school violinist, but I think Mozart would've wanted people to listen to this and enjoy what his mind has created.
(cont)....Mozart was evidently fascinated by these works, and wrote a set of transcriptions for string trio of fugues from Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, introducing them with preludes of his own. Mozart then set to writing fugues on his own, mimicking the Baroque style.
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart studied counterpoint when young with Padre Martini in Bologna. However, the major impetus to fugal writing for Mozart was the influence of Baron Gottfried van Swieten in Vienna around 1782. Van Swieten, during diplomatic service in Berlin, had taken the opportunity to collect as many manuscripts by Bach and Handel as he could, and he invited Mozart to study his collection and also encouraged him to transcribe various works for other combinations of instruments.... (cont)
THIRD--> Mozart knew what the audience enjoyed and he always composed music in such way that it clicks with audience. No doubt Mozart's music is entertaining, delightful, epic but in terms of being profound, it would be considered shallow.
@drippingquill You must realise music is NOT only for entertaining and delighting the audience. There're music for worship, praising God, seeking solace, expressing desperation/grief/joy/contentment. I've to say most of Mozart's music is for entertainment/epicness. I hardly find any of his music as deep and profound. For deep and profound music, try Bach's Art of Fugue and Beethoven's late string quartets.
@mtv565 I disagree that Mozart's music cannot be profound. I am sure you realize he composed within the constraints of the classical style, which was far more restrictive than the rules which Bach had to abide by. The classical style came about as a protest to the Baroque style. Composers eventually grew weary of the ongoing phrases which never seemed to end. They wanted structure, but the short phrases of the classical style could be interpreted as shallow by some. Requiem is hardly shallow.
@mtv565 I think that is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. Perhaps you are confusing style of music with profundity? Or lack thereof? I have played and sung my share of music over the years, some have moved me more than others. One of the most moving (and therefore "profound") pieces I have ever performed was Haydn's "The Creation." This man's personality exudes through the music. Working through the highly restricted world of the classical style, yet I was deeply moved!
@Elainelps0421 Profundity is mutually exclusive from style, age periods, technology. What I said is not my opinion but well-known facts in classical circles. Do read up more reference books on classical music.
@mtv565 I do have a bachelor's and a master's degree in music and have performed classical music as a singer and violinist for over forty years so I guess you could say I know something about the subject. I also plan on obtaining my doctorate in music history at some point, so reading on the subject certainly has been a part of my past and will be a part of my future. I still say you think the only profound music is Baroque music and Bach is the most profound because he is a Baroque composer.
@Elainelps0421 How can you think that I meant "the only profound music is Baroque" when I already quoted as an example Beethoven's late quartets to be profound?
@mtv565 Most of your examples are of Bach. Beethoven's late quartets have been named the greatest music ever written by musicologists. I have this feeling you will tie that into Bach somehow.
@Elainelps0421 Tchaikovsky and other composers do have profound music too. Just that it's much easier to pick out profound pieces from Bach's music than other composers. ;)
@Elainelps0421 While you can continue to accumulate your qualifications, I think all it takes to appreciate and understand classical music is with a heart. Not a piece of certificate.
@mtv565 Certificates usually mean knowledge and experience. You imply that that those with knowledge and experience cannot have a heart. I assume that having a heart ties in somehow with profundity, for which you have as yet failed to give a definition.
@Elainelps0421 Certificates can also be bought for $5 each. Knowledge, experience and heart are mutually exclusive. I can show you what is profound music, but I cannot put it in words. It's too great to be expressed in words. It can only be felt by heart. You're too dogmatic a person, not everything in this world can be said in words. Sometimes, wordlessness triumph over having words.
@mtv565 While you didn't come right out and say it, I assume you mean that Mozart studied Baroque music to become more like Bach. Why would he want to? He composed during the Classical period, a period of music established in protest of the Baroque period. He may have used fugal techniques in some of his music out of respect for Bach or the Baroque style, as did other composers during the Classical and Romantic periods and beyond; but that doesn't make his own music any less profound.
@Elainelps0421 You wrote: "While you didn't come right out and say it, I assume you mean that Mozart studied Baroque music to become more like Bach. Why would he want to?"
Wrong and illogical assumption! Mozart didn't study Bach's fugal writing to become the 2nd Bach. There is something about counterpoint that made Mozart do that. For you to find out... listen more to Bach's fugues.
I was listening to this while taking a piss once. It felt like it was a piss which would determine the fate of the world.
IMABOMBERMAN 4 hours ago
@IMABOMBERMAN now that is funny
jessica5000000 3 hours ago
mad late but happy birthday mozart
ragnorock88100 3 days ago
So powerful! Happy Birthday!
thaLittle1 5 days ago
happy birthday mozart
boastingkitty 5 days ago
=) beautiful!
HanKrisKH 2 weeks ago
Soprano is perfect...
jollysunbro 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
What you need to appreciate music is a chamber in your soul that thirsts for more than the belly can take.. and the ability to pause in mid-stride and take the time to listen to something outside your usual commotion of body and mind..
Betziburli 1 month ago
How ironic. The most divine piece ever written, on top of that in D sharp minor, is composed by Mozart, a man who composed almost everytime in major keys.
bfeyalcin 1 month ago 3
Miluju Mozartovu hudbu,je kouzelna
ladvicak 1 month ago
A psychologist might note that D Minor (his favorite and best) brings out his best and his worst -- that is the darkness of his soul, the strengths of his spirit and the devils that drove him to write. If I were Dr. Freud, I might add that Mozart wrote from the right side -- which ruled his life and music. It is this haunting lyricism that I like.
825y 1 month ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
am i the only one that gets goosebumps when the music starts ?
thedarkwarriorfdeath 1 month ago 2
@thedarkwarriorfdeath no mate, bumps arise globally
Betziburli 1 month ago
I always liked the way that Marriner reads Mozart.
sas147741 1 month ago
I listen to slay, nirvana, slipknot, soundgarden, marilyn manson, but I sure as hell know good music when i see it!
Scarecro4566 1 month ago
@Scarecro4566 We don't care what music you hear.
sas147741 1 month ago
this might seem stupid but can somebody with a taste of music help me out with a test i need to make about music on the internet?
SonOfAsimov 1 month ago
best version :)
rayanneflowers 2 months ago
Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, Liszt, Brahms, panties...I am sorry! Schumann, Schubert, Mendelsson and Bach. Names, that will live forever!
koprej 2 months ago
@koprej Chaikovsky, Prokofiev and others?
setq 1 month ago
The way such gorgeously composed fugal sections are so effortlessly woven into the music is nothing less than a miracle.
ihamoitc2005 2 months ago in playlist Mozart's Requiem Mass in D Minor I - Introitus and Kyrie
this can bring a tear to my eye
rensy101 2 months ago
The intro is so powerful!!!! This is excellent!!
Godfather9814 2 months ago 8
It's a masterpiece.
MellyMaggot 2 months ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
what kind of idiots click 'dislike'??
MrAlexduo 2 months ago
@MrAlexduo salieri fans ;)
cem1773 2 months ago
@MrAlexduo the Justin Bieber-loving minority
stephjuhler999 2 months ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
Marvelous. I which i could've been there...
dago0109 2 months ago
how can i describe this but.... it's very gothic! (gothic in the traditional sense, not the modern sense, haha)
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just listen to the music
Vamper946 3 months ago
I can honestly say these are the most well written and considered youtube comments I have ever read.
Thesegutsaresteel 3 months ago
Woah, I actually recognize the first part from Watchmen. :)
TaraKitaideHunter 3 months ago
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those dudes look like a bunch of queers witht their mouths open like that. they just harsh wanting the conductors Baton aka my fav title the stick lol. Especially the fat dude with the glasses and queerish version of ed norton with gotee next to him. no disrespect to norton hese wild and this symphony is beautiful. tc and much love to all.
bagriforia187 4 months ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
@bagriforia187 This is not a symphony.
mtv565 3 months ago
5:47 Is that pavarotti? O.o
xXSTFDXx 4 months ago
grandiose !
Bibu231060 4 months ago
Simply beautiful.
KillerClaire666 4 months ago
beutiul, thank you very much
twitface100 4 months ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
Nice! : )
theREDiBANDIT 4 months ago
Listen. I don't understand music very well. I can't write music, I can't read music and I can't tell the difference between classical musicians. But even as a simpleton, when I listen to this, I know I am listening to something incredible
imyumi 4 months ago 54
@imyumi yes you are hearing something incredible. It was written by a young man who had an incredible talent and who, wrote this in his last days. Some of it possibly right from his death bed.
He was a victim.
justmusicvid 3 months ago
@imyumi You are clearly not a simpleton with that kind of openness, truthfulness and appreciation!
VeggieVamp 2 months ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
@VeggieVamp Your comment made my day :')
imyumi 1 month ago
@imyumi true genius knows no bounds and affects even the commonest of man.
hoboishjoeishme 1 month ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
@imyumi thats exactly why his work has survived for so long
MrCaRealtor 1 month ago
@imyumi You are in ture!
MrBach5000 2 weeks ago in playlist Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Requiem D minor - K 626
@imyumi That is probably the most mature comment I've ever seen on Youtube.
pizazzify 2 weeks ago
@imyumi bang on !
kaliastro 1 week ago
asn0505 4 months ago
Mozart was such an outstanding composer, you can just feel the emotion and power of his music :D
luffylawkidd 5 months ago
Mozart's music is epic cause it make's you feel different, then Bach. Have nothing to do with orchestra.Different idea.Mozart and Bach can not be compared, of course, if not borne in US.
byibyi 5 months ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
@byibyi Bach's Mass in B minor is just as "epic". ;-)
mtv565 5 months ago
danm that dude is as good as zelda from the wind waker!
trollcomics 6 months ago
prob one of the most heart felt masses ever written, I am so glad I am not bipolar or a depressed person because I would probably kill myself when listening to such things
slovakmath 6 months ago
@slovakmath Then you should not listen to Bach's Art of Fugue's unfinished fugue.
mtv565 6 months ago
@slovakmath I'm bipolar. This doesn't make me want to kill myself and that comment is ridiculous, joking or not.
lyon1535 5 months ago
@lyon1535 then i doubt you capacity to appreciate it or i doubt the significance of your disease
slovakmath 5 months ago
@slovakmath Then I doubt the seriousness of your remark or I doubt that you have much common sense.
:)
lyon1535 5 months ago
@lyon1535 indeed you are right, it wasnt a serious remark :)
slovakmath 5 months ago
the beethoven sonata moonlight and mozart lacrimosa are the most beautiful songs ever made on this world.
nisim2000 6 months ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
@nisim2000 Then you must have not heard Bach's Art of Fugue's last unfinished fugue....
mtv565 6 months ago
@mtv565 Haha, you're still here? You know, I just discovered Contrapunctus XIV about a week or so ago, and it's superior to any fugue I've ever heard (and I'll finish it one day).
Glenn Gould's interpretation, by the way, is the best out of all the ones I've heard so far.
HerlockSholmes123 6 months ago
@HerlockSholmes123 It's a great Quadruple Fugue in D minor. Listen to Davitt Moroney's completion of this great fugue, with the Art of Fugue main theme appearing in the end as the finale climax. It's the far most convincing completion among all scholars. Glenn Gould's tempo of this fugue is too slow...
mtv565 6 months ago
Elaine, you need to learn to stop bearing grudges and read more. Then you'll find peace.
mtv565 7 months ago
@mtv565 I'm not bearing grudges....you are just incredibly condescending. Not every educated person is going to agree with you and you have to learn to accept that.
Elainelps0421 7 months ago
@Elainelps0421 Again, it's not me. You failed to read, it's reference books.
mtv565 6 months ago
@mtv565 Okay, fine. Let's just agree to disagee and move on.
Elainelps0421 6 months ago
@Elainelps0421 You should have moved on the previous time, yet you came back and put words into my mouth. I don't have to agree to disagree whatever, facts are facts. It's all written down during the course of history. You can't change history by ignoring or disagreeing. You have alot to change about yourself.
mtv565 6 months ago
nice music, very soulful
rayriley2262 7 months ago in playlist Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Requiem D minor - K 626
FUCKIN EPIC PIECE!!!!
ChiCity60625 7 months ago
Wow, I see some people are still trying to impose the constraints of the Baroque Era as the only means by which to judge all music....
Elainelps0421 7 months ago
@Elainelps0421 Even Mozart learns from Bach. What do you think?
mtv565 7 months ago
@Elainelps0421 And, there's no constraints in Baroque music as far as Bach's works are concerned. Virtually, the fugal possibilities in his fugues are vast. So why do you say that "some people are still trying to impose the constraints of the Baroque"? You have some bad grudge or attitude problem?
mtv565 7 months ago
@mtv565 You seem to think if a composer's work does not reflect Bach's in some way, it cannot be good. The Classical Era was a protest to the Baroque Era. Of course there will be fugal works in the Classical Era, but the fugue is not what the Classical Era is known for. It has its own special qualities and it has equally wonderful and substantial works based on its own merits.
Elainelps0421 7 months ago
@Elainelps0421 No, I do not think that way. Don't put words into other people's mouth.
mtv565 7 months ago
@mtv565 "Mozart is a good composer, but he is certainly not the best. His early music lacks counterpoint and depth, and were described by critics as “childish doodlings”. Only when he got exposed to Bach’s fugues, his music then started to develop counterpoint and harmony depth. Even when he learnt, his music is not considered the “best”. Listen to Bach’s Mass in B minor, then you would know how profound it is as compared to Mozart’s Requiem" <------Here are your words, then. Better?
Elainelps0421 7 months ago
@Elainelps0421 It's not what I THINK but historic facts from reference books. If Mozart were influenced by Telemann or Vivaldi, I would have stated the same.... 8)
mtv565 7 months ago
@Elainelps0421 in mozart's defense he actually didnt write alot of this...he was hired to write this piece but died before it was finished...i forgot who finished composing this but whoever it was did so with the bit that mozart was able to write before passing...imagine what this piece could havve been if mozart himself would have been able to finish it :) in letters found by him he says that while composing he feels like he is actually writing this requiem for himself
leical9 6 months ago
@leical9 Actually, his student, Sussmayer, finished the Requiem, but by my research, it was all based on Mozart's themes, so he had a part in all of it. I love this Requeim. It's one of my favorite pieces and have played it several times :)
Elainelps0421 6 months ago
@leical9
You can rest assured that Mozart completed most of it before he died.
mahler151 3 months ago
@Elainelps0421 ...Ive heard Bach's Bminor mass, and while impressive, Bach doesnt even compare to Mozart's musical ability. Let's put it this way: Mozart could do anything Bach could do. But I can't say the same the other way around. Also, no one had good counterpoint skills as a child. Mozart tried to lay out all he learned in this Requiem before he died but was unable to complete it. To me there was no one better then W.A.M
beethovenlovedmozart 3 months ago
@beethovenlovedmozart ..I am not so sure ...it's like comparing Einstein to Bohr...mathematical ability? one simply can't do that
eenblanke 3 months ago
BRILLIANT PIECE....saw it last year in Hastings,its the only piece by mozart i like
guycc1 7 months ago
Music to die for... ahhhh
fraya1400 7 months ago
@fraya1400 I know Mozart's music is "EPIC" because he used very large orchestral and choral forces. Transcribe Bach's Art of Fugue for full orchestral, it would be EPIC and profound at the same time. ;-)
mtv565 7 months ago 24
@mtv565 Thanks for the 'heads up'. I like so many grenres of music, classical being one of faves. Any other suggestions you have or come across would be welcomed. I've subscribed so I can get some tips every now & again :o)
fraya1400 7 months ago
@mtv565 actually compared to more contemporary orchestras (i.e. those used by beethoven, mahler, schubert and especially wagner) mozart's orchestras were relatively small, about 35-40 in total and about another 16-20 choir members. it was really his instrumentation that allowed the orchestra such a wide variation between thick, heavy sounds and light and airy, which made it sound larger than it was. in many ways he inspired the idea of a 100+ person orchestra that would be used later
jkovach89 4 months ago
@jkovach89 Compared to Bach's orchestra, Mozart's orchestra with choir is considered "huge". Compared to Bach's Art of Fugue usually for keyboard, Mozart's orchestra is considered "huge"
mtv565 4 months ago
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@mtv565 actually compared to more contemporary orchestras (i.e. those used by beethoven, mahler, schubert and especially wagner) mozart's orchestras were relatively small, about 35-40 in total and about another 16-20 choir members. it was really his instrumentation that allowed the orchestra such a wide variation between thick, heavy sounds and light and airy, which made it sound larger than it was. in many ways he inspired the idea of a 100+ person orchestra that would be used later
jkovach89 4 months ago
@mtv565 Oh! My! You just don't know what you're talking about!! When one does not have anything to say, better just stay quite!
gatofelixriodejaneir 3 months ago
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@gatofelixriodejaneir I know what I'm talking about. Do you know what you're talking about?
mtv565 3 months ago
I'm not very educated when it comes to fugues, so can someone knowledgable about this subject please tell me what type of fugue the Kyrie is? Is it double? Triple? Quadruple??
HerlockSholmes123 7 months ago
@HerlockSholmes123 I'm knowledgeable in the stuff of classical music and I can answer your question. Kyrie Eleison from Mozart's Requiem is a "double fugue", with no double exposition as both 1st and 2nd themes appeared together in the single exposition in the beginning of the piece. To strict, it's a "double accompanied fugue" as both subjects/themes accompanied each other in the exposition.
mtv565 7 months ago
@mtv565 Thanks!
Also, if it's not too much to ask, another piece by Mozart that has confused me for a while is the 4th movement of the 41st symphony. I don't know if you've heard it or not, but I've heard that its finale is a five-part fugue. Is it? And is it true that no one, not even Bach, has composed something as complex as that?
HerlockSholmes123 7 months ago
@HerlockSholmes123 You seems to be trying to *imply* something here... No, the finale from Mozart's 41 symphony is not really a fugue, it is actually a FUGATO. Because [1] the theme is not constant within the 5-parts (violin 1, violin 2, viola, cello, bass), [2] it uses other themes that are not presented in expositions, [3] there is no proper exposition of the 4-note theme. Ironically, you don't seems to have heard Bach's 5-part fugue with 3 themes in C# minor from Well-Tempered Clavier book 1.
mtv565 7 months ago
@HerlockSholmes123 You wrote: "And is it true that no one, not even Bach, has composed something as complex as that?" You should have NEVER asked this kind of question, because as far as FUGUE is concerned, Bach has virtually done EVERYTHING there is for fugal writing.... [1] 5-part fugue is nothing, Bach composed 6-part fugue for Musical Offering.... [2] One theme is nothing, Bach has composed fugues with 3 themes..... [3] Bach has even composed fugues that can be played backward, upside-down..
mtv565 7 months ago
@mtv565 I wasn't really implying anything. It's just that I read somewhere that the 41st symphony had something really special about it and that no one has done something like it before. I didn't really know what that "thing" was, and as you can see, I can't differentiate a fugue from a fugato so I immediately assumed it was the most complex "fugue" out there.
By the way, is Bach's 6 part fugue the most complex fugue or are there even more complex ones?
HerlockSholmes123 7 months ago
@HerlockSholmes123 As for the implying, you know it yourself. People who can read aren't fools. Fugato isn't really special, other composers have done it too. The crux about fugues isn't the more parts, the more complicated, the better or merrier it is. There're 9-part fugues by other composer but it's really crap. There is something about Bach's fugues that set him apart from other composers who had composed fugues too. Enough spoon-feeding, listen to more fugues to discover for yourself.
mtv565 7 months ago
@HerlockSholmes123 And if you innocently don't know about something, you only ask humbly WITHOUT assuming anything.... ;-) By the way, have you even heard Bach's and other composers' fugues?
mtv565 7 months ago
@HerlockSholmes123 I know the answers to your further questions, that’s why I have answered you why Mozart’s 41st symphony’s finale is actually a fugato, not a fugue. And I can go on answering your questions but I feel that you’re clever enough to discover things on your own. For me, nobody taught me why finale from Mozart’s 41st symphony is actually not a fugue, I discovered it for myself, so why can’t you? Unless you’re stupid? Of course not, you’re already “clever” enough to make assumptions.
mtv565 7 months ago
@mtv565 Well, I guess getting quick answers is a lot better than actually waiting for a few more years until I've acquired enough knowledge about music to be able to answer my own questions. And yes, I've actually heard many fugues from Bach, Buxtehude, Beethoven's Great Fugue, etc. I just didn't know which ones were more complex than others, hence the question about the Kyrie fugue.
Thanks anyway :-)
HerlockSholmes123 7 months ago
@HerlockSholmes123 Again, I repeat: The crux about fugues is NOT about having more parts, the more complex, the better or merrier it is. If it is the case, then the finale of "Young Person's Guide to Orchestra" is a great 14-part fugue. Sure you can get quick, concise, nicely summarised answers but do you really understand why Mozart's 41 sym's finale is not a fugue?
mtv565 7 months ago
@mtv565 Nope, and that's why I'm starting to dedicate a lot of my time into studying music. So far, I'm only able to play and understand some of Chopin's simplest nocturnes. So, you see, I have a very long way to go, which is why I was sort of impatient about those questions that puzzled me.
By the way, I always assumed that more parts meant that a more intelligent and/or talented composer wrote the fugue. I guess I was wrong, maybe? I guess. But as I said, I have a long way to go.
HerlockSholmes123 7 months ago
@HerlockSholmes123 That's a very shallow thinking. It's not about the more parts/voices, the merrier. Not just applicable to fugues, but other pieces too. If yes, then Mahler's orchestral works would be more highly regarded than Bach's. Ever wonder why Bach, Mozart, Handel, Vivaldi's works with 3 to 5 main parts and using only small orchestra are still popular and still impress & amaze musicians and listeners for centuries? Because THEY ACHIEVED GREATNESS WITH SIMPLE MEANS.
mtv565 7 months ago 56
@mtv565 I agree with you in that the soul of beauty is simplicity. When something is stripped down to the essensials it is beautiful. However, that did not stop Bach from writing double fugues and mozart triple fugues. Even alot is happening there is nothing present that doesn't belong. That is what makes it beautiful.
toogoodbw 4 months ago
@toogoodbw Bach wrote single fugues, double fugues, triple fugues and Quadruple fugues.
Mozart wrote only single fugues and double fugues. No triple fugues written by Mozart. Jupiter Symphony is not a fugue.
No, beauty is greatness achieved by simple means. Not simplicity.
mtv565 4 months ago
@HerlockSholmes123 Example: Bach's Chaconne for solo violin in D minor, just ONE-PART, but it is regarded as one of the greatest (if not, the greatest) violin solo without accompaniment ever composed.
mtv565 7 months ago
Thanks for posting, I had a video tape of this complete performance but lost it years ago. Mozart's Requiem has always been one of my favorite pieces of work. As with all of the great masterpieces, it has that extra, undefinable spark that sets it apart from everything else.
GasCityGuy 7 months ago
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this makes my balls tingle.
taffysaur 7 months ago in playlist Mozart - Requiem in D Minor
Wow. I couldn't handle this live. This music just ... ugh! Kleenex required.
8Ho03EdONl1liL 8 months ago in playlist Requiem
@8Ho03EdONl1liL Wait till you hear Bach's St. Matthew Passion or Mass in B minor. Do not just sample the lagoon and deem the sea is shallow. 8)
mtv565 7 months ago
to the victims of the June Fourth Masscure in Tiananmen square, Beijing in 1989. Amen.
doctorandrewtam 8 months ago
Goosebumps!
jeroen6bis 8 months ago
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carnafaculoficial 8 months ago
Love this whole piece... but the orchestra is extremely flat in this video. Didn't they tune first?
MissZinfandel 8 months ago
@MissZinfandel I think that's due to the quality of the video/ date of it. This is a highly professional orchestra, so I doubt they'd be flat.
adam4757 8 months ago
@MissZinfandel Gardiner is a Baroque expert and notice he uses period instruments. He's trying to recreate a period performance. I would imagine that includes the tuning, which is lower than today's standard of 440 for a concert A. I don't think the orchestra is out of tune with the choir or soloists.
Elainelps0421 8 months ago
@Elainelps0421 Yes, and I think he's just doing fine this way. Makes it sound more tragic and after all, I think it sounds way better than other recordings. Gardiner is just a genius.
42TheGamer 7 months ago
@42TheGamer Agreed!
Elainelps0421 7 months ago
A profound piece by Bach (greatness) arranged for full orchestra (epicness): ht tp://ww w.you tube.c om/watch?v=Wxl9lWPt7bk
mtv565 8 months ago
It all depends on your own likes and dislikes. I Like it! ALOT!!!
ketttr01 8 months ago
The most absolute beutifull
The voice of god... Mozart
OlmoHerediaVEVO 8 months ago
This piece is like sex to me.
Incidentally, Introitus is another word for vagina. MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN.
ranma763 8 months ago
Latin is such a wonderful language, isn't it?
42TheGamer 8 months ago
@42TheGamer
Cogito quoque quod est. Lingua pulchra namque est.
centurychild10 8 months ago
4:40 to the end.
TheRyan3D 8 months ago
This is the most incessant and perpetual debate I have seen on Youtube so far.
This all could've simply been avoided through private messaging, but no, now mtv565 had to drag more and more people into this.
Everyone just needs to shut up and watch the dang video.
HyperionResident 8 months ago
@HyperionResident Youtube provided the interface for comments for people to interact. It is why we are here. If you want no discussion, you should stick to sharing videos via private links/emails.
mtv565 8 months ago
@mtv565 I never said anything about never discussing anything, but I am against the sort of "discussion" that results in endless debate to the point that the original source for argument is forgotten. Seriously, this whole thing has gone on forever and doesn't look like it's going to end anytime soon. Sure, maybe a small argument here and there, but after awhile, things like these just get old and soon no one will want to hear it. That's why this whole thing is stupid.
HyperionResident 8 months ago
@HyperionResident No, this is a fruitful debate as I can see alot of people are well-heard of classical music but not well-read. I'm perfectly alright with discussions, only negative people would see it as "arguments". If everybody wants to keep to themselves, we should ask the government to ban internet so that everyone just stay at home and sleep. Think about what I've said...
mtv565 8 months ago
@mtv565
I think a lot of this would be a lot more tolerable if you didn't act like such a know-it-all.
HyperionResident 8 months ago
@HyperionResident Like I said previously, as long as I see something is not right (especially if it concerns my favourite composers like Bach and Mozart), I feel strongly to stand up and put things right. If you interpret that as "acting like a know-it-all", it only shows you're not open-minded and tolerant enough.
mtv565 8 months ago
@HyperionResident And I did NOT "drag more and more people into this". They chose to comment and it is their freedom to comment.
mtv565 8 months ago
I for once in the end laughing at HIM
rossyxan 9 months ago
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mtv565 9 months ago
This IS music. Peaceful.
MarcRevenge 9 months ago
@MarcRevenge Wait till you hear the Dies Irae. Anyways, music is not always peaceful.
mtv565 9 months ago
I listen Mozart,when i do My Homeworks ;) (And I recommend)
youtubrau 9 months ago
the essence of perfection
astin666 9 months ago
Does anyone know the instruments in this piece, in the order they appear?
snarkyskybirds 9 months ago
@snarkyskybirds I have the score of the whole Requiem with me. It uses tenor clarinets, bassoons, (no flutes), trumpets, trombones (alto, tenor, bass), timpani, organ, SATB choir, strings orchestra.
mtv565 9 months ago
One thing I've noticed in particular about Mozart's music is his ability to mash sooo many different things together and still manage to make the music sound coherent and powerful. The kyrie especially here
HatreddCopter 9 months ago
@HatreddCopter That's the amazing thing about counterpoint!
mtv565 9 months ago
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@HatreddCopter That's the amazing thing about counterpoint (which Mozart learnt from Bach's music)!
mtv565 9 months ago
Hey guys:
No one cares if you're right or wrong
Just sayin'
HyperionResident 9 months ago
@HyperionResident I don't care if others care. I don't care if I didn't win any prize. As long as I see something is not right (especially if it concerns my favourite composers like Bach and Mozart), I feel strongly to stand up and put things right.
mtv565 9 months ago
I might also point out that one of the most profound pieces in Mozart's Magic Flute is the Chorale Prelude for the two Armed Men as Tamino is about to enter on the final trials. This was definitely composed in the Baroque style and as an homage to Bach, whose music Mozart had definitely studied. But remember that he also orchestrated Handel's Messiah, evincing a real admiration for this close contemporary of Bach's who was, in his way, as much of a genius as Bach was.
philipvanlidth 9 months ago
@philipvanlidth Magic Flute was written approximately 9 years after Mozart was introduced to and arranged some of Bach's fugues. His orchestration of Handel's Messiah was two years prior to Magic Flute and the Requiem Mass. Just putting it out there...then again, who knows? Mozart did not discriminate, he absorbed the good from all hah.
devilxhlywood 9 months ago
@devilxhlywood You wrote "Mozart did not discriminate...", nobody is talking about Mozart discriminating. So why did you state this?
mtv565 9 months ago
@ Elainephelps0421 & mtv565 Frankly, one of the most profound requiems in my experience is Verdi's Requiem, which is certainly also one of the most operatic requiems, if not the most operatic requiem of all time and chock full of very showy music. Frankly, I wish you two would just agree to disagree and let it go. Life's too short!
philipvanlidth 9 months ago
@philipvanlidth I've heard Verdi's requiem but I find Bach's Mass in B minor to be the profound one.
mtv565 9 months ago
I LOVE Mozart when he is ponderous and tragic just as i love Beethoven when he is sunny and lithe...
proggoth 9 months ago
Ahhh why don't y'all just chill and enjoy the music? You ruin it with all that debate crap... I may only be a high school violinist, but I think Mozart would've wanted people to listen to this and enjoy what his mind has created.
SuperSwaggerchick 9 months ago
(cont)....Mozart was evidently fascinated by these works, and wrote a set of transcriptions for string trio of fugues from Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, introducing them with preludes of his own. Mozart then set to writing fugues on his own, mimicking the Baroque style.
mtv565 9 months ago
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart studied counterpoint when young with Padre Martini in Bologna. However, the major impetus to fugal writing for Mozart was the influence of Baron Gottfried van Swieten in Vienna around 1782. Van Swieten, during diplomatic service in Berlin, had taken the opportunity to collect as many manuscripts by Bach and Handel as he could, and he invited Mozart to study his collection and also encouraged him to transcribe various works for other combinations of instruments.... (cont)
mtv565 9 months ago
Example of a profound (yet well-known in classical world) piece of music:
Bach's Chaccone in D minor.
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grThetrojan01gr 9 months ago
Trop rapide...on dirait qu'ils ont un train à prendre !
Sinon c'est magnifique bien sûr
TheAkasolo 9 months ago
What is the text when all of the voices are singing together in the same rhythm?
Requiem aeternam dona eis Domine
or
Et lux perpetua luceat
WhatchThisHD 9 months ago
THIRD--> Mozart knew what the audience enjoyed and he always composed music in such way that it clicks with audience. No doubt Mozart's music is entertaining, delightful, epic but in terms of being profound, it would be considered shallow.
mtv565 9 months ago
@mtv565
I don't disagree with your point, but it bears mentioning that, to some extant,
the purpose of composing music is for the audience;
not the only purpose, granted, but still, the posit that Mozart wrote for an audience should not detract from his music's worth.
drippingquill 9 months ago
@drippingquill You must realise music is NOT only for entertaining and delighting the audience. There're music for worship, praising God, seeking solace, expressing desperation/grief/joy/contentment. I've to say most of Mozart's music is for entertainment/epicness. I hardly find any of his music as deep and profound. For deep and profound music, try Bach's Art of Fugue and Beethoven's late string quartets.
mtv565 9 months ago
@mtv565 I disagree that Mozart's music cannot be profound. I am sure you realize he composed within the constraints of the classical style, which was far more restrictive than the rules which Bach had to abide by. The classical style came about as a protest to the Baroque style. Composers eventually grew weary of the ongoing phrases which never seemed to end. They wanted structure, but the short phrases of the classical style could be interpreted as shallow by some. Requiem is hardly shallow.
Elainelps0421 9 months ago
@Elainelps0421 You have to hear a really profound piece to understand what is depth and profundity. Do not confuse "epicness" with "profundity".
mtv565 9 months ago
@mtv565 I think that is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. Perhaps you are confusing style of music with profundity? Or lack thereof? I have played and sung my share of music over the years, some have moved me more than others. One of the most moving (and therefore "profound") pieces I have ever performed was Haydn's "The Creation." This man's personality exudes through the music. Working through the highly restricted world of the classical style, yet I was deeply moved!
Elainelps0421 9 months ago
@Elainelps0421 Profundity is mutually exclusive from style, age periods, technology. What I said is not my opinion but well-known facts in classical circles. Do read up more reference books on classical music.
mtv565 9 months ago
@mtv565 I do have a bachelor's and a master's degree in music and have performed classical music as a singer and violinist for over forty years so I guess you could say I know something about the subject. I also plan on obtaining my doctorate in music history at some point, so reading on the subject certainly has been a part of my past and will be a part of my future. I still say you think the only profound music is Baroque music and Bach is the most profound because he is a Baroque composer.
Elainelps0421 9 months ago
@Elainelps0421 How can you think that I meant "the only profound music is Baroque" when I already quoted as an example Beethoven's late quartets to be profound?
mtv565 9 months ago
@mtv565 Most of your examples are of Bach. Beethoven's late quartets have been named the greatest music ever written by musicologists. I have this feeling you will tie that into Bach somehow.
Elainelps0421 9 months ago
@Elainelps0421 Tchaikovsky and other composers do have profound music too. Just that it's much easier to pick out profound pieces from Bach's music than other composers. ;)
mtv565 9 months ago
@Elainelps0421 While you can continue to accumulate your qualifications, I think all it takes to appreciate and understand classical music is with a heart. Not a piece of certificate.
mtv565 9 months ago
@mtv565 Certificates usually mean knowledge and experience. You imply that that those with knowledge and experience cannot have a heart. I assume that having a heart ties in somehow with profundity, for which you have as yet failed to give a definition.
Elainelps0421 9 months ago
@Elainelps0421 Certificates can also be bought for $5 each. Knowledge, experience and heart are mutually exclusive. I can show you what is profound music, but I cannot put it in words. It's too great to be expressed in words. It can only be felt by heart. You're too dogmatic a person, not everything in this world can be said in words. Sometimes, wordlessness triumph over having words.
mtv565 9 months ago
@mtv565 While you didn't come right out and say it, I assume you mean that Mozart studied Baroque music to become more like Bach. Why would he want to? He composed during the Classical period, a period of music established in protest of the Baroque period. He may have used fugal techniques in some of his music out of respect for Bach or the Baroque style, as did other composers during the Classical and Romantic periods and beyond; but that doesn't make his own music any less profound.
Elainelps0421 9 months ago
@Elainelps0421 You wrote: "While you didn't come right out and say it, I assume you mean that Mozart studied Baroque music to become more like Bach. Why would he want to?"
Wrong and illogical assumption! Mozart didn't study Bach's fugal writing to become the 2nd Bach. There is something about counterpoint that made Mozart do that. For you to find out... listen more to Bach's fugues.
mtv565 9 months ago