Kierkegaard VS Hegel

[iMentieth]

*facepalm*

[Sewblon]

I always pictured Hitler as a Thomas Hobbes fan.

[GravDiga]

well, this was fun..but i admit i don't know their work..so i didn't take sides..it's the honest thing to do.

[zxcv1020304]

En ese caso debieron hecho esta reedicion con desaprobaciones hechas por Schopenhauer hacia la persona y pensamiento de Hegel y no de kierkegaard hacia hegel, pero en fin.

[zxcv1020304]

que tomada de pelo

[sustainedXnoise]

LMAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOo

[thesuikerlounge]

can you possibly imagine how irritating this video is if you are german in the second generation after the era of national socialism? this video - espicially because you stayed with the original german dialogues - really gives me a headache. not to mention that (what Distorion0 said before) you completely misread hegel. he does not support collectivist thiniking AT ALL!!! he just claims that there is no autonomous individual... and he is absolutely right about that. just consider language!

[Audiofalcon7]

@thesuikerlounge Language does not mean an individual is not autonomous in the ultimate ends that they want to reach. No dice.

[thesuikerlounge]

@Audiofalcon7

if you go back to the greek root of the word "autonomous" of course it does. ALSO: on the one side foucault as - in my eyes - a "left-hegelian" (i know that is not historically correct) and e.g. luhmann on the other side as a more "right-hegelian" (same here) would perfectly agree on that. various discourses to a great extent are speaking you and in system-theory only communication is communicating. in both cases the 19th century idea of an autonomous self has been overcome.

[thesuikerlounge]

@Audiofalcon7

sorry to say, but you obviously have no idea about social philosophy. your concept of autonomy is a metaphysically grabled misconception. do the "ultimate ends" of an individual originate in a sacred space of social independence - aseity? NO. they are part of a dialectial relation (systemic interdependence if you will) of the individual to the world that he/she is living in. language is an obvious sign here. your godlike individual wasn't even able to formulate its ulimate ends...

[thesuikerlounge]

@Audiofalcon7

to quote hegel himself: "Das Bewusstsein hat erst in dem Selbstbewusstsein, als dem Begriffe des Geistes, seinen Wendepunkt, auf dem es aus dem farbigten Scheine des sinnlichen Dieseits, und aus der leeren Nacht des übersinnlichen Jenseits in den geistigen Tag der Gegenwart einschreitet." (p.108/9; 2. Auflage der "Phänomenologie des Geistes" Originalpaginierung)

[SSJ4ChunkyMonkey]

I've learned more about Kierkegaard through this video as opposed to those boring pathetic essays and radio shows that simply try to show off their knowledge of philosophy.

[Thesocraticbreed]

@Distortio0 You are correct, but if you read their metaphysical beliefs on ontology(the study of being)... they are almost exactly the same. The thing is that kierkegaard took it a more individualistic route. WHat I was saying basically that they had some agreements, and some disagreements... but they were stil lfriends. Read Kierkegaard's journals that were published way after his death... he expresses profound respect for Hegel.

[Thesocraticbreed]

Hegel V.S Kierkegaard? I do not think that would happen in reality... I mean, HItler would more likely support Marx V.S Kierkegaard... going for Marx, I mean, he was a National Socialist which was a part of the Hegelian Leftist Movement... Hegel was really one of Kierkegaard's professors and friends.

[Distortion0]

@Thesocraticbreed National Socialism was deeply opposed to Marxist Socialism. Marxists were killed under the Nazi regime. For the most part it was a Christian Nationalist Ideology. According to Wikipedia Hitler definitely sided with Hegel over Marx.

[rodrigojoseunb]

Nice man, but i think you could do better. And just ignore the academic freaks, they know nothing about living philosophy.

[Thesocraticbreed]

@rodrigojoseunb True in some ways, false in others.

[Superputazo23]

Although the creator of this video clearly doesn't know anything about Hegel and only knows a few of Kierkegaard's ideas without even studying profoundly(or probably at all), I must admit I had a good laugh @3:35. btw, worst editing in this kind of video I've ever seen. Take care my friends.

[goodrogering]

You've got to be kidding - You've developed reading of Kierkegaard and Hegel from "Sophie's World"? Despite my own position of not favouring either philosophical perspective over the other (read both Kierkegaard and Hegel - they're both fascinating), I would suggest that the authors of this trite parody spend less time on You Tube and more time reading Hegel and Kierkegaard. Actually, I might do that now myself.

[TheEsedward]

This was obviously made by a freshman undergraduate student with a metal bar stuck in their brain

[Gualcm]

@TheEsedward actually it was made by four 13 year old students who really didn't care about philosophy... just doing the homework

[Aeythvaenn]

@Gualcm this crap is homework? my god, must be very low grade education...

[xStxPandemoniumx]

*Theologian



[dantean]

Well, this certainly settles THAT deal! Now the choice is clear.

[ProfesExp]

People forget that Soren Kierkegaard was not the first philosopher to question an individual's involvement with religion (Fear and Trembling). Blaise Pascal pioneered the same approach with his final work (Thoughts) over two hundred years before Kierkegaard. But keep in mind that Pascal is technically not an Existentialists, since most of his earlier works were over dependent on science, math, logic, reason and so forth.

[alifeofreason]

Nietzsche > Kierkegaard

[Distortion0]

This is a complete misreading of Hegel. Hegel synthesizes the individual with the social. While I think Kierkegaard is ultimately greater than Hegel, this video is just a straw man. I don't know why I expected better from a downfall edit.

[TheEsedward]

@Distortion0 yeah this is the worst "Hitler gets mad" video I've ever seen

[Thesocraticbreed]

@Distortion0 Well, Hegel was one of the people who taught Kierkegaard.. and Kierkegaard continued the metaphysical views of ontology that Hegel had.. but translated it more into individualism... that is why before the term "Existentialist" was coined, Kierkegaard was considered a Hegelian Rightist.

[Distortion0]

@Thesocraticbreed I disagree. Kierkegaard studied Hegel but Rorty studied Russel. Studying someone doesn't mean you agree with them. Kierkegaard deeply rejects panetheism, the root of Hegel's belief and the individualism is in radical disagreement with Hegel for whom Geist is the only real subject.

[DCdabest]

Hitler is shittin himself when he heres about Kierkegaard!

[GeorgySummumBonum]

Brilliant Job!!! Thank You! :)

[ianmathwiz7]

(cont) Does this mean keeping slaves, burning witches, stoning adulterers, etc.? Taken literally, some of Kierkegaard's writings imply that you should. Kierkegaard believed, as I mentioned earlier, in submitting oneself absolutely to God's commands. How is this different than the criticisms you've leveled against Hegel? Again, this would have suited Hitler.

Like I said, there is much to be praised in Kierkegaard's writings, but Hegel wasn't nearly as bad as he's been made out in this video.

[Mainsobwe]

That is rubbish. Nothing in Christianity says anything about slavery, burning witches, stoning, etc. You obviously are basing your viewpoint on personal bias and herd hear/say ideology rather than actual knowledge of the New Testament, the Gospel message, and Christ's words.

[ianmathwiz7]

@Mainsobwe Well, there are plenty of things in Christianity itself that say stuff about all those things, especially in the Old Testament. If you want to limit us to the New Testament, though, I can play that game too.

Jesus, first of all, seems perfectly okay with the Old Testament: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17). He also is okay with beating slaves [...]

[ianmathwiz7]

@Mainsobwe "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes." (Luke 12:47).

He also advocates several other ridiculous things on a similar level of things I mentioned, such as executing disobedient children (Mark 7:9-10; the real champion of individualism at work!), stealing (Luke 19:29-35), infinite punishment for finite "crimes" (every time he mentions hell), etc, etc, etc. Admittedly, the NT is ...

[ianmathwiz7]

@Mainsobwe [...] better than the OT, but not by as much as you think. Also, keep in mind that when you chuck out the old testament, you also chuck out the creation story (I don't know if you are a creationist, but if you are, that's a problem), the Ten Commandments, and all the prophecies of Jesus. I dunno if you want to do that. . .

[hatredapathy52]

@ianmathwiz7 (1/3) I must object. I haven't really read Kierkegaard and perhaps you are speaking as if you were expounding what Kierkegaard or some existentialist would say on these matters. But if not, I think you should be aware that you're taking all of those NT quotes out of context. Think about what Jesus means when he says he came to "fulfill the law" in Matt 5.17. Luke 12.47 is a parable (admittedly about hell), but he is not advocating the beating of slaves as slaves.

[hatredapathy52]

@hatredapathy52 (2/3) In Mark 7, he is rebuking the Pharisees; his remark in v. 9 is clearly sarcasm in light of vv. 11-13. As for Luke 19.29, it is not unreasonable to infer that the colt's owner knew what needed to be done, especially since he allowed the disciples to take it without a fight (Mark 11.6). You can hardly say anyone needs to "chuck out" the OT. The OT has a different relevance for new covenant Christians--not irrelevance.

[hatredapathy52]

@hatredapathy52 (3/3) In the case of both the OT and the NT, you need to read the context. I feel like you know this, or at least should... (1) Jesus came to fulfill the law. (2) Jesus did not tell his hearers to beat their slaves. (3) Jesus disapproved of the Pharisees adding to the Law. (4) There is no reason to immediately suppose the disciples or Jesus stole the colt and donkey. (5) There is no reason to reject the OT for the sake of the NT.

[ianmathwiz7]

(cont) Existentialism, a which lauds individual freedom and personal responsibility, was partially influenced by Hegel--and by Kierkegaard, too. Of course, not everything Kierkegaard said was utter crap; indeed, there is much to be praised in his philosophy.

Fourth, Hegel was a Christian; although Kierkegaard claimed he wasn't, Hegel viewed Protestantism in a very positive light. Kierkegaard said, as is mentioned in this video, that one must live a christian life to truly have faith.

[ianmathwiz7]

(cont) Can you name one example of Hitler citing Hegel as an influence? If not, what makes you think there was any influence (and citing The Open Society and Its Enemies doesn't count)?

Third, Hegel also influenced Max Stirner, a prominent egoist, who, in my opinion, was more individualistic than Kierkegaard. He, partially echoing Hegel, believed that each person should shape the world according to his own reason.

[ianmathwiz7]

Ok, seriously?

First of all, yes, Hegel believed everything was an expression of reason. Are you implying that reason is bad?

Second, yes, Hegel did criticize individualism, and I'm just as critical as you are of that. Yes, he did influence Marxism. He was not, however an influence of fascism. Indeed, Kierkegaard's religious views would have served Hitler well--you know, how you must unconditionally "leap to faith" if God tells you to do anything, even kill your children?

[vascolockwood]

@"Jenawahrheit" -

you are being extremely ignorant. "Kierkegaard" doesn't mean "ladder" in Danish, I'm a Dane so a should know - it means a "Graveyard" - and by the way he uses a lot of different pen names - even "Johannes anti-climacus" - who in Kierkegaards writings is a "true" christian - K. very seldom uses his own name - he uses all the pen names making them represent different kind of philosophical views - in that way he was very inspired be Socratis method.

[andersoncouncilpf]

Thanks for the imaginitive post (though the original thought was concieved innately and therefore not chosen by those who put this piece together). Thanks for acting on your inspiration, ha, ha. It is amusing.

[198904oscar]

que buen video. quisiera saber aún más sobre Kierkegaard y saber porque le dicen el abuelo del existencialismo

[Jenawahrheit]

Kierkegaard was a fideist who based his entire philosophy on the 6th century AD Book - St. John Climacus' "Ladder of Divine Ascent". This book deals with the secret life of Jesus (first 30 years) before his appearance in the Holy Land. The name kiekegaard even means "Ladder" in Danish. He also used Johannes Climacus as a pen name in one of his works entitled "Philosophical Writings". He also copied the moral and ethical system of the Divine Ladder. P.S. YOUR WORLD HAS JUST BEEN SHIFTED!

[Monolith1618]

Haha! Nazis fail at life. This video is hilarious. To the commentators; Kierkegaard's philosophy is true enough to clean all the poison from the well, so stop with the argumentation already. You're beginning to drown.

Also. I'm the 3,000th viewer! That's a nice, round number isn't it? I think so. Synchronicity anyone? Okay. I'm just going to show myself to the door now... Peace!

[franklikespolitics]

In a footnote on a movie/photography book, the author gives credit to Hegelian Dialectics for some of the pictures in his book. He shows Grandmother holding a baby, contrasting old versus young, beginning and end. Dialectical thought is how most modern scientist think also. How far would fanatics of individualism get if workers decided to be every worker for himself and screw the individual boss. There seems to be a desire for workers to work collectively to produce profit for "individual" capit

[KevDP4L]

Haha. Very good. That's my revision for my philosophy exam next week done :D

[Myshkinfani]

This is great! Well done!! both informative and funny!

[jmi199]

I just want to make sure, that everybody knows this: the caption doesn't match at all with the original German you can hear in the background. It shows the moment, when Hitler realized that the war is lost and Hitler hasn't even mentioned any philosopher.

[Gualcm]

@jmi199 it's a scene from a movie called "Der Untergang" and of course it doesn't match at all. It's supposed to be a parody.

[JayPhilosopher]

It is unlikely that Hitler ever heard of or read Hegel or Kierkegaard.

[krillin876]

you dont consider hitler a philosopher?

[JayPhilosopher]

He never studied philosophy to my knowledge. In the strict sense of someone who studies philosophy in a systematic way and reflects upon it, he certainly doesn't qualify.

In the loose sense of everybody having thoughts and their own philosophy, one can say he had his own philosophy. However, in this sense, he is as much of a philosopher as the average serial killer or bomber.

[krillin876]

Hitler was actually very cultured in his later life to those such as nietzche and wagner. His anti semitism wasnt something he was born with, it was something he develeped over time. When he was young he actually despised antisemitism and was very much against it. Just because you disagree with someone, doesnt mean he isnt a great thinker. I think Malcolm X was a great thinker even though he was a racist. Many things he said make you stop in think.

[krillin876]

There are more philosophers than just kierkegaard, socrates,plato,kant , descartes ect. That is the whole idea of philosophy is to be a "free thinker" and forget what CNN or the NY TImes thinks.

[JayPhilosopher]

A person who knows nothing about rocks may think up all kinds of things about rocks. That may make that person a "rock free thinker," but it does not make them a geologist. In the same way, a person who has not studied Philosophy and Philosophers may be considered a "free thinker," but hardly qualifies as a philosopher. Nietzsche was an atheist and Hitler, a devoted Catholic, sent atheists to concentration camps. If Nietzsche had lived till the 30's, Hitler would have exterminated him.

[krillin876]

how about eastern philosphers that most likely had very little knowledge of western. Do you discredit them also. Do you consider Milt Friedman a philospher

[JayPhilosopher]

Eastern Philosophers have knowledge of the Eastern Philosophical traditions, which are important, albeit different from Western Philosophical traditions in many ways.

Milton Friedman was an economist, not a philosopher. Hiis turgid economic theories, adopted by Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush led to the bankruptcy of the richest nation on Earth, so it turns out he was almost as bad an economist as Hitler was a politician.

[tomowsiak]

The German language is the perfect vehicle for verbalizing fanaticism. It has no musicality, no tenderness, only a sort of edginess required to issue orders and instill terror in people's hearts.

[jmi199]

You only know about the German language from movies or what others tells you. I am Germany and I think it's a wonderful language. For example in German you embellish very often words and you do it way more often than e.g. in English, but it sometimes sounds kind of snatchy for others.

[MathLessonsForFree]

My Dear Friend:

I am Polish by birth, and, so, as someone whose grandfather was terrorized by your ancestors, I speak out of emotion rather than reason. For you to assume that my knowledge of German is based solely on American movies is profoundly unfair and insulting. It is also a silly assumption, since America is the most diverse nation on Earth, so assuming soneone is only "American" shows how little you know about the world.

[jmi199]

I have never talked to you, why do you feel affected? I said tomowsiak's post is bullshit, because he is talking about something he definitely doesn't understand ("German language has no musicality, no tenderness, only a sort of edginess required..."). I'm no patriot I criticize my country of origin as well as other countries' politics.

Yeah thank you, of course I'm a Nazi because my ancestors apparently were. That's just unfair!

[moepstaRRR]

This is an extract of the movie "Der Untergang".

The soldiers and Hitler argue about defending tactics and nothing about Kierkegaard or Hegel!

[mar1lyna]

Jajaja... funny and helps to learn the Kierkegaard´s and Hegel´s phylosophy,

[moepstaRRR]

nice fake

[moepstaRRR]

wtf? learn German

content and subtitles DONT match wtf?!

[die4pie]

Are you dense?

[cantfindascreennam]

lol Kierkegaard pwns hitler. booo stage theory tho. oversimplification of Kierkegaard

[krillin876]

Maybe i am missing something please correct me when i am wrong, this video would lead you to believe that the nazi's were against individualism. If that is what the composer is trying to say it is completely wrong. Remember the Nazi''s fought against the Soviets to protect their individualism.

[PointlessRiot]

Nazism is so contradictive and hypocritical I don't know where to begin... While they were told that they were "superior individuals" and so on, they were also expected to fight and die for race and the fatherlandtheir .

[krillin876]

Which leader in history didnt tell his people that they were the best country in the world, American presidents have done it for years and fought and died for their land, where is the contradiction?

[PointlessRiot]

True, just saying that Hitler basicly said "you're free individuals", but should you speak out you were killed.

besides, don't think the Kazhak people think their county's the best in the world...

btw, studing Kierkegaard in philospy right now =)

[krillin876]

I am assuming you are a native swede. What you should do is pick up a copy of mein kampf. Dont just believe what your professor tells you. Dont believe the media. Read the book ( mein kampf) and make your own decision. That is what being a free thinker is. Look at history the last 50 years, i think countries like Poland and Czech would have benefited by control of Germany instead of Soviet Union

[Stukoke]

Funny though that Hegel's ideas only led to Marxism because Marxism was against Hegel's ideas.

[Bruinsin2009]

Amazing Project. This Student deserves and A+. I am a professor in Philosophy in case anyone was wondering.

[moepstaRRR]

a bad one?

[Jeff0314]

Your Kierkegaard vs Hegel parabolas are great, as a philosophy teacher I find it a very well done project.

-T@D

[shad0w116]

=o! Interesting indeed.

[rroymorenoo]

crazy man huh?! haha

[gninerfan21]

Interesting!