Such beautiful music and so beautifully played also. I have been a lover of Chopin's music for many years but I will now search for more Liszt pieces for sure...! Thank you
i hate men adn their big hands!! im playing this piece atm and since im a 15 yr old grl my fingers cant stretch the first line of chords on the left hand and i hav to split them! grrrrrrrr...
i had the same problem. my teacher had me leave out the upper note on the first l.h. chord, and then just split the second one every time. you can't even notice that the notes are left out, if you play your thumb of the second chord with the right hand.
Okay, so use YOUR brain and explain what goes into the structure that he offers? You don't understand some special genius in his 'structure'. You just want to sound clever by pretending that you get it. It's the Emperor's new clothes and Brendel is naked.
He-he, you write as if you knew what the brain really is and how it works. Do you have a God's eye view of the world to know things about which scientists and philosophers of all times disagreed? :) And, last but not least, remember: whatever you SAY, it's words, whatever someone plays, is SOUND, so, apriori, the two things have absolutely nothing in common.
We can discuss about this, but you cannot judge his playing because
you ignore his beliefs. Brendel explains in this sonetto that "only the epilogue gives into resignation". That is the reason why he plays the piece with a constant level of forte. Every thing is justified under his hands.
That sounds very nice (unlike his performance) but it is utter nonsense. What is intellectual in Brendel's poor distinction between melody and accompaniment? It sounds dull and empty. Why can't he play notes that are less musically important softly without offering 'resignation'? I know plenty of pianists who can. There's nothing clever about his performance. It is a big illusion he sets up.
Brendel is praised from almost every classical music lover. And let me say, he is praised a little under what he deserves. So... who are you to talk like that to a pianistic eminence?... i can see that nobody. Hence please... a little respect.
I always find it interesting when someone refers to intellectual players but can't say what is actually intellectual in the performance. Just liking or disliking is all very well, but how can you say it's clever, as though you too are in on some remarkable 'intellectual' understanding, when you can't even talk about it? Don't believe hype, just listen.
First of all i have not been told anything by nobody. Since i was a kid Brendel´s performances wowed me, and i, by myself, began studying him. Ok? And, as a comment, every kind of information that a person manipulates comes from another person, therefore don´t say stupid things.
Second... you are carrying me to the first point we discussed again and again, so listen (or read):
"The piece tells the performer what to do. The performer does not tell the piece what it should be like". This statement means: composer and performer are two different things. Otherwise the performer must have been composer, and that´s not the case.
Clever playing is to know what you play, know what you will do and what you must do, being free,but bordered at the same time.
That's just general rhetoric again. What do you HEAR in the performance by Brendel that you believe is clever and for what reason? Everything else is meaningless. If a performer fails to express something in his sound, it's of no interest to hear the explanation of what he failed to achieve. It still wasn't there.
I hear every detail he evokes speaking. Brendel´s playing reflects what he says. Therefore everything i told you is what i hear. The phraseing, fluidity, trinos, mordentes, grupettos, the softness with which he plays when he wants, but without modifying tempos; every detail is beatiful at Brendel´s hands.
Really? I hear incredible blandness that is unchanged by his words. Of course I play the piano and I have studied things for myself instead of just believing others. Look in my videos if you want. Would you please stop listing irrelevant technical terms by the way? It doesn't make you look clever. Wow Brendel plays mordents...
Brendel knows background information, because he studies composers as well. Thats the reason why every piece has a different interpretation and approach.
Sure, just assume that because he tells you he is clever, his playing reflects what Liszt wanted. I've done my own research and he's talking out his arse. YOU should do your own too instead of trusting him so blindly.
You neither have to be a philosopher, nor a scientist to know that the brain processes the information collected by the nose, years and so on.
I´m not talking about philosophy here. Therefore read carefully or otherwise make wise comments.
And oh, i forgot... what is the voice´s source? what makes possible to understand what you are listening to?... i think its the brain. Sorry, but they have everything to do.
I wasn't asking for a hollow rhetorical answer, with an unqualified use of the vague term 'structure'. I was asking specifically. This term 'structure' is thrown about far too much today. How do his specific decisions contribute to this structure you speak of please, (or are you just brainwashed into believing that he is intellectual and should hence be trusted without question)?
I´m wondering what are the reasons behind such ignorant and skeptic questioning, my friend.
You don´t have to think hard in order to know what structure is about. Structure: the way in which things (in this case music) are put together to form meaningful statements. This definition applies to Brendel´s playing, which HAS absolutely and without a a doubt structure, harmony, cadence, deepness and musical superiority.
That's all rhetoric. It's not specific at all. It's very easy to throw around these terms but do you actually understand them? 'Cadence'? In what way does Brendel's playing display 'cadence'? That's an interesting one. If you use your ears instead of believing the balls that comes out of his mouth you might realise how shallow Brendel's performance of this piece is.
I pretty much know what cadence is, because i am a pianist, i studied music and i know by your talking that you ignore many elements regarding piano playing and phraseing.
I can also see that you are dodging many details that Brendel´s playing offer. The difference between pianists rely on interpretation and musical felling. As i said before the approach taken by Alfred, is bordered but free at the same time.
If you 'pretty much know what cadence is' then please elaborate. You can't use such terms is passing as proof of his intellect when you didn't even explain what you meant? What about his cadences?
What are you discussing man? Do i ask you if you know the meaning of every word you use? are you testing me or what?
This is quite simple. I´m tired of talking to deaf people. Let´s evaluate Brendel from the point of view of the experts: Brendel was said, and i don´t have any doubt about it, to be the greatest beethoven performer. His Mozart, Haydn and Schubert are superior not only to me, but to every person who KNOW about piano playing, therefore, to any pianist.
The point is that you made a statement about how 'intellectual' his performance is, but you haven't shown any signs of having understood what is clever about it. You've just coughed up a few cliched general words and failed to go into any detail. Clearly you just believe what you've been told, rather than really thinking about it for yourself.
Most pianists play or over-exaggerate the pieces trying to be deeper, but on the contrary they are on one hand unfaithful to it, and on the other missrepresent it, or play for the fact of playing. Brendel plays with, as i said before, structure (don´t ask me again what that is), and understands that every composer should be performed in a particualar way, with freedom, but without playing what the performer wants.
Read up on Liszt (not through Brendel's fictionalised perspective though- through actual facts). You clearly don't know enough about his music to be in a position to judge what Liszt wanted from a performance.
Just don´t limitate to this performance which is approached in a different way, but listen to Sposalizio or whatever you want, and you will realize that he can play in the way you would want. It is a matter of interpretation i can see you don´t already get though.
As a comment, yes, i know how the way in which the piano is played and the way music should be played as well. Do you play the piano?(not talking about "happy birthday") i believe you don´t.
I think this is a lovely performance :)
chrismanners1 8 months ago 2
Beautiful!!
MsTallBlond 1 year ago
great interpretation..very great
44STYLE187 1 year ago
Whoever this Oompa Loompa lookin fellar is he's doin good.
Gargantupimp 1 year ago 2
Great pianist!!!!!!!!!!
satsatur 2 years ago 2
Horowitz would have been delighted!..
SSSLAWWWA 2 years ago
Such beautiful music and so beautifully played also. I have been a lover of Chopin's music for many years but I will now search for more Liszt pieces for sure...! Thank you
jasjjb 3 years ago 2
Long live Yugoslavia
Balkyzag 3 years ago
i hate men adn their big hands!! im playing this piece atm and since im a 15 yr old grl my fingers cant stretch the first line of chords on the left hand and i hav to split them! grrrrrrrr...
urwhilecool 4 years ago
i had the same problem. my teacher had me leave out the upper note on the first l.h. chord, and then just split the second one every time. you can't even notice that the notes are left out, if you play your thumb of the second chord with the right hand.
musician1770 4 years ago
This pianist has everything from poetry to explosiveness. He will be a legend he's so soulful
xAmandine 4 years ago 2
perfect...5stars and fav, amazing video of a superb piece played so well...
EPENAEED 4 years ago
haha
hamiggo 5 years ago
EVERY note played by Brendel is justified and has a reason for being performed like that.
FABrendel 5 years ago
So what IS the reason?
cziffra1980 4 years ago
The reason is that the brain regulates everything, feelings as well.
Therefore music without introspection and applied intelect is no other than mixed up sounds, without a structure to follow.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Okay, so use YOUR brain and explain what goes into the structure that he offers? You don't understand some special genius in his 'structure'. You just want to sound clever by pretending that you get it. It's the Emperor's new clothes and Brendel is naked.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
He-he, you write as if you knew what the brain really is and how it works. Do you have a God's eye view of the world to know things about which scientists and philosophers of all times disagreed? :) And, last but not least, remember: whatever you SAY, it's words, whatever someone plays, is SOUND, so, apriori, the two things have absolutely nothing in common.
op83bdur 4 years ago
We can discuss about this, but you cannot judge his playing because
you ignore his beliefs. Brendel explains in this sonetto that "only the epilogue gives into resignation". That is the reason why he plays the piece with a constant level of forte. Every thing is justified under his hands.
FABrendel 4 years ago
That sounds very nice (unlike his performance) but it is utter nonsense. What is intellectual in Brendel's poor distinction between melody and accompaniment? It sounds dull and empty. Why can't he play notes that are less musically important softly without offering 'resignation'? I know plenty of pianists who can. There's nothing clever about his performance. It is a big illusion he sets up.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
Brendel is praised from almost every classical music lover. And let me say, he is praised a little under what he deserves. So... who are you to talk like that to a pianistic eminence?... i can see that nobody. Hence please... a little respect.
FABrendel 4 years ago
I always find it interesting when someone refers to intellectual players but can't say what is actually intellectual in the performance. Just liking or disliking is all very well, but how can you say it's clever, as though you too are in on some remarkable 'intellectual' understanding, when you can't even talk about it? Don't believe hype, just listen.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
First of all i have not been told anything by nobody. Since i was a kid Brendel´s performances wowed me, and i, by myself, began studying him. Ok? And, as a comment, every kind of information that a person manipulates comes from another person, therefore don´t say stupid things.
Second... you are carrying me to the first point we discussed again and again, so listen (or read):
FABrendel 4 years ago
"The piece tells the performer what to do. The performer does not tell the piece what it should be like". This statement means: composer and performer are two different things. Otherwise the performer must have been composer, and that´s not the case.
Clever playing is to know what you play, know what you will do and what you must do, being free,but bordered at the same time.
FABrendel 4 years ago
That's just general rhetoric again. What do you HEAR in the performance by Brendel that you believe is clever and for what reason? Everything else is meaningless. If a performer fails to express something in his sound, it's of no interest to hear the explanation of what he failed to achieve. It still wasn't there.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
I hear every detail he evokes speaking. Brendel´s playing reflects what he says. Therefore everything i told you is what i hear. The phraseing, fluidity, trinos, mordentes, grupettos, the softness with which he plays when he wants, but without modifying tempos; every detail is beatiful at Brendel´s hands.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Really? I hear incredible blandness that is unchanged by his words. Of course I play the piano and I have studied things for myself instead of just believing others. Look in my videos if you want. Would you please stop listing irrelevant technical terms by the way? It doesn't make you look clever. Wow Brendel plays mordents...
cziffra1980 4 years ago
Brendel knows background information, because he studies composers as well. Thats the reason why every piece has a different interpretation and approach.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Sure, just assume that because he tells you he is clever, his playing reflects what Liszt wanted. I've done my own research and he's talking out his arse. YOU should do your own too instead of trusting him so blindly.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
I´m sorry, but are you drunk or what buddy?
You neither have to be a philosopher, nor a scientist to know that the brain processes the information collected by the nose, years and so on.
I´m not talking about philosophy here. Therefore read carefully or otherwise make wise comments.
And oh, i forgot... what is the voice´s source? what makes possible to understand what you are listening to?... i think its the brain. Sorry, but they have everything to do.
FABrendel 4 years ago
I wasn't asking for a hollow rhetorical answer, with an unqualified use of the vague term 'structure'. I was asking specifically. This term 'structure' is thrown about far too much today. How do his specific decisions contribute to this structure you speak of please, (or are you just brainwashed into believing that he is intellectual and should hence be trusted without question)?
cziffra1980 4 years ago
I´m wondering what are the reasons behind such ignorant and skeptic questioning, my friend.
You don´t have to think hard in order to know what structure is about. Structure: the way in which things (in this case music) are put together to form meaningful statements. This definition applies to Brendel´s playing, which HAS absolutely and without a a doubt structure, harmony, cadence, deepness and musical superiority.
FABrendel 4 years ago
That's all rhetoric. It's not specific at all. It's very easy to throw around these terms but do you actually understand them? 'Cadence'? In what way does Brendel's playing display 'cadence'? That's an interesting one. If you use your ears instead of believing the balls that comes out of his mouth you might realise how shallow Brendel's performance of this piece is.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
I pretty much know what cadence is, because i am a pianist, i studied music and i know by your talking that you ignore many elements regarding piano playing and phraseing.
I can also see that you are dodging many details that Brendel´s playing offer. The difference between pianists rely on interpretation and musical felling. As i said before the approach taken by Alfred, is bordered but free at the same time.
FABrendel 4 years ago
If you 'pretty much know what cadence is' then please elaborate. You can't use such terms is passing as proof of his intellect when you didn't even explain what you meant? What about his cadences?
cziffra1980 4 years ago
What are you discussing man? Do i ask you if you know the meaning of every word you use? are you testing me or what?
This is quite simple. I´m tired of talking to deaf people. Let´s evaluate Brendel from the point of view of the experts: Brendel was said, and i don´t have any doubt about it, to be the greatest beethoven performer. His Mozart, Haydn and Schubert are superior not only to me, but to every person who KNOW about piano playing, therefore, to any pianist.
FABrendel 4 years ago
The point is that you made a statement about how 'intellectual' his performance is, but you haven't shown any signs of having understood what is clever about it. You've just coughed up a few cliched general words and failed to go into any detail. Clearly you just believe what you've been told, rather than really thinking about it for yourself.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
Most pianists play or over-exaggerate the pieces trying to be deeper, but on the contrary they are on one hand unfaithful to it, and on the other missrepresent it, or play for the fact of playing. Brendel plays with, as i said before, structure (don´t ask me again what that is), and understands that every composer should be performed in a particualar way, with freedom, but without playing what the performer wants.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Read up on Liszt (not through Brendel's fictionalised perspective though- through actual facts). You clearly don't know enough about his music to be in a position to judge what Liszt wanted from a performance.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
Just don´t limitate to this performance which is approached in a different way, but listen to Sposalizio or whatever you want, and you will realize that he can play in the way you would want. It is a matter of interpretation i can see you don´t already get though.
As a comment, yes, i know how the way in which the piano is played and the way music should be played as well. Do you play the piano?(not talking about "happy birthday") i believe you don´t.
FABrendel 4 years ago
It´s like reading a book. If you have background info about the author, you will understand details that otherwise you wouldn´t.
FABrendel 4 years ago
very sensitive interpretation! much better than Brendel.almost in Horowitz´s class
musikgeni 5 years ago