we must fight for is to safeguard the existence & reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. mein kampf
you're committing a major fallacy of composition. these three people were atheists, and these people we psychopathic murders, therefore, all atheists are psychopathic murders. You don't do anything to justify your statements (prophets of the "atheism cult" - really? present me with your evidence). I know this video is a few years old, so I hope that since you posted this you have grown up and realize how foolish you sound ranting on like this.
If you answer 'no' then you cannot blame atheism unless you want to admit that you are simply creating an arbitrary standard for everyone but yourself. If you answer yes you are creating an arbitrary standard for atheism that you don't want to apply to yourself.
Let me ask this question, if we reversed the scenario so that you had (in all three cases) a state based on Atheism in which the leader was considered to be either a diety (Mao, Pol Pot) or the head of the Church, like the Pope (Stalin) and there is a revolution in which a Believer takes control of the country and then slaughters millions, would you blame all of religion? Article 24 of the Nazi's program: Promote "Positive Christianity" against the Jews. Not possible in Atheist state.
Hitler- maybe and mabye if he was raised in the Jewish faith he wouldn't have committed those atrocites
Stalin- hmm maybe he tryed to do that because Jesus did exist he just didnt belive he was a messiah he also said "religion is just an opiate for the masses" and demolished churches and cathedrals throughout the nation
Hitler was raised Catholic, never left the Church, ruled Germany when it was as much a "Christian nation" as the USA was, invoked Christianity in support of the Nazi cause. Get your facts straight.
Hitler - Not an atheist, neither christian. He was described by Himmler as a Anti Christian, however a deeply religious man.
Stalin - For some reason.. He tried to convince his daughter that Jesus exist, strange..
Mao - Well, he was a atheist. But a question.. how are atheism connected to his invidual actions? Stalin and Hitler had moustaches, maybe the moustaches had someting to do with their terrible actions? Doubt it..
So the moral acts of an atheist are just by chance? Do to the name of this channel it's seems pretty fake but just incase, anyone who needs permission from a God to be moral, is obviously moraly inferior.
something everyone has regardless of faith, and if they were Muslim, Hindu or Christian these atrocities would have been carried out.
Religion or rather a basic fundamentalist view of a persons religion is responsible for the atrocities like 9/11, as these people believed that they were doing gods work. So brainwashed that they lacked any capacity for thinking for themselves that they were willing to kill as many people as they can.
Give me evidence of who plotted 9/11 before we proceed with that discussion. let's limit to what we have evidence and facts on. These Athiests are hella gangsta mehn! We must prevent them from positions of power, i'm sure u agree.
No I don't, that's bigotry, you don't understand why people just don't believe in a deity. It's not because they're evil, they just don't believe.....
I have stopped half way through watching this video, it was just terrible. This argument by saying these men killed due to lack of faith, is simply ridiculous. The fact that these men were atheists (I'll allow Hitler to be counted because that I really couldn't what his beliefs were) has nothing to do with what they did, they were motivated by a lust for power and hatred.
Radovan Karadžić? He is religious and commited genocide
people with faith can do terrible things to. You can`t say that every atheist is bad beacause of Stalin. Norway have many atheists and are ranked the best country to live in. Sweden have most atheists the world and they to are ranked very high. Stalin and Mao belived THEY were god, they didn`t like people worship others than them. Thats why they wanted religion removed
First of all: Hitler was a Roman Catholic and most of the men following his order were catholics/christians as well...
But besides this little lie, none of these guys killed in the NAME of religion. Don't you think this is a rather important fact to ignore? While christians & muslims does their evil BACKED by their so called "holy" words.
You forget that Hitler was also a follower of Nietzsche, which certainly runs counter to any christian belief and he was also extremely aware of his ancient germanic roots when the emperor controlled the Roman Church - so it really cannot be said what his actual beliefs were. He filled the churches with his own people and we do know that he imprisoned priests who spoke out against him. As far as Stalin and Mao -he's right on.
Dude, thats a plain Non Sequitur. I am fairly certain Hitler drank MILK! So, why not blame milk for the "final solution"?
Weather Hitler was or wasn't an atheist is of no importance since he did not do it in the name OF atheism.
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. " //S.Freud
I don't think Hitler was an atheist, but no one is quite sure what he was because he was a very complicated individual. That aside the vid is true about Stalin and Mao, not to mention guys like Hoxha, Ceausescu, Pol Pot, etc. Greatest mass killings in human history. And yes, this was done in the name of atheism.
ok im going to go ahead and accept the fact that your an uneducated, illiterate moron who has no grasp of global history whatsoever. so i'll break this down reeaaaaall easy for you: european CHRISTIANS called for TWELVE individual crusades, even one called the childrens crusade in which they sent 1,000 children into the muslim controlled holy land and said GOD would protect them. they ALL.DIED. the holocaust was not motivated by atheism, you redneck piece of shit.
Well when they declare themselves to be atheists ( I don't include Hitler) and they form groups like League of the Militant Athests and they circulate newspapers like "the Atheist" - then I think it safe to say that these things were done in the name of atheism. All card-carrying communists were required to accept atheism and to actively persecute any religious adherent. Thousands of religious structures destroyed, millions of clergy murdered or imprisoned. Not much more to say.
Atheists aren't a group. If a group comprised of atheists does things "in the name of atheism", that group doesn't represent and shouldn't be associated with other atheists.
I don't associate the "god hates fags" guy with other Christians. It's not fair to associate the misguided and isolated actions of some, even supposedly "in the name of" a belief system, with all proponents of that belief system. Doing so is intellectually dishonest.
Not all atheists are alike or have identical POV's, but American Atheists is one of several atheist groups and the atheists mentioned in the vid were actual groups dedicated to establishing officially atheist governments.They also had the same philosophic orientations claimed by many atheists today.And many attitudes expressed are the same eg.C. Hitchens' exhortation to show"ridicule, hatred and contempt" for religion. There are also several anti-christian movies, books and acts - very similar.
I do disagree with some of the vid's statements. It cannot be said that 96% of the world's population are believers because we know that China is officially atheist and even though religion is growing and much more out in the open there, there are still no firm numbers. In Russia, even though they are no longer officially atheist, there are still probably half or so that are atheists. And of course there are many atheists in Europe although officially religious. cont.
cont. Also Hitler's position is a hard one to pin down because he was raised catholic and sometimes claimed to be christian,at other times condemning the church. He was also a student of Nietzsche's work and he had a extensive knowledge of Germany's role as protector and secular ruler of the ancient church during the Carolingian years (the 1st Reich).
The Reason Stalin and Mao have done these things is not because they were Atheists. It is because they were sociopaths. One can be a sociopath and BE a theist you know but he Might not necessarily be Such BECAUSE he a Theist. the two don`t things aren't associated. the same applies here, except that there are no exceptions for Atheism because a Null Hypothesis is not Grounds to take any action or make policy For that you must be a Anti theist, which is quite different.
Oh and Hitler was not an Atheist, He was roman catholic.
And because Atheism is not Organized, does not have any structure or any form of Communion what so ever You shouldn't Be Attributing it to being the "cause" of any atrocities committed by any collection of them. An Atheist Does not get is Morality from Atheism, as it is merely the lack of belief in deities. The morality of Atheists is determined by the Social norms of Society and or what they consider acceptable.
So what he's saying is basically all christians have the same believes and morals and they dont make mistakes and all christians are divine and are everyone's friend and because their religious they are perfect humans with no flaw. = Religios ppl wont set foot in jail.
Now if you could prove that religious ppl dont get into accidents and end up in jail as the rest of the human population, THAT would be compelling. Otherwise ure argument is invalid since whats happened in history wud be based on chance and has nothing to do with gods intervention.
This argument made in the movie here has been debunked countless times and i dunno why ure still probing around with it.
Accidents are divine destiny. Oh, by the way, they are not accidents but perfect INCIDENTS. :)
You are totally confused. It's impossible to argue that God does not exist, rather it's simple common sense that He does. Our existence can only be proven by His.
Ok, now over to you. Prove to me that you exist...
first you tell me what god is, THEN you give me proof of his existence.
Its nog common sense god exists since you have to be TAUGHT INTO BELIEVING. Religion is man-made and does NOT come naturally, THAT is obvious.
Our existence is purely based on chance, evolution is a fact. We are just atoms.
You are totally confused since there is no debate and you are arguing FOR something which cant be proven right OR WRONG, since its imaginary and have no proof.
1. God is Us. What 'you' type I easily prove as God and Gods power. The computer=God. Air=God. Now I have proved mine. You prove YOU. Prove to me that you exist as an individual. I ask again, I am waiting.
2.Smart people understand God is all there is. Less smart peeps can't see this fact.
3. Science and math proves categorically, go check, that chance alone can never make us. God evolved/originated us.
4. It's your existence that can't be proven. 'Your' breathing if u do is God.
First you establish what god is, THEN you may prove his existence.
I'm simply atoms, from a human point of view the characteristics of my body is called Human. To ppl that knows me have objectified my atom characteristics as "Tomas".
Atoms interact with eachother. Evolution has shaped atoms to the way they are structured today.
It's not what I claim. It is what it is! You do not recognize the computer, the air, you and me as God. I do. prove me wrong? You have no factual argument to do so...and to contest that I see, recognize and call all and all Power=God. One existence. No other existence.
Now I am waiting...prove you, mastela exist...Prove there is an 'I' to this 'I am only atoms'. Which you? Are atoms a person? What are atoms? Which you exist? You?- mere in-existence! Please I ask a third time, prove you exist
I answered you. We are just atoms. Thats it, nothing more too it. You CLAIM that god is everything. that is not a proof, ure just saying we're MORE THAN ATOMS, which goes against logics. a computer is still just atoms, same atoms as created as the supposed big bang. Its not a COMPUTER, its just ATOMS that we call a computer to make other humans and ourselves to understand.
Humans OBJECTIFY.
If ure GOD is a logical fallacy in ure thinking, then i understand why u go against logics.
This atom structure, has characteristics as other humans recognize. "humans" have evolved, its just atoms. This atom structure powerhouse has the ability to objectify objects.
There is no such thing as "WE" but if ure human u may say WE since its generally understood by other humans. Objectification makes our lives easier.
We are atoms. We think we are not humans. When you learn logics u learn u are just atoms.
Thanks for the discussion. You did in deed speak intelligently here and speak the truth. 'You' are only a figment of objectified perceptive existence. In short- non existent.
Now, since see yourself as no more than just atoms. I am sure you will agree with me to say- Thanks for the discourse, I take my leave at this point, as I do not debate with and waste
my time discussing such matters as 'God' or any other important matter with 'atoms'.
End of the line argument; We're atoms who react with eachother. What we are at this time of the universe are still atoms but we've landed ontop of eachother in a special way. If youre end claim says "atoms dont exist" I understand what you mean. But atoms Do exist so its a logical fallacy for u to think they dont.
When man dies, the atoms still exist, yet the man is dead.
I am more than just atoms. My essence is God essence, makes me more than just atoms.
I understand that you are just an atom heap, and I am not even ready to waste my time further. It took long enough for you to admit your in-existence...and already you are going backward, claiming 'humans'. There's no humans. prove humans then prove 'atoms'. In short forget it. I can't get anywhere w atom
Says who? Who says I die. I change..and the change is only as per perception of inexistent atoms...possibly only something u/ur atom alone perceives in this world only u have. Our world being different than that your 'atom senses' paints for you. Prove that I die. can atoms die? If as you say, I am no more than atoms and atoms can not die then how do I die? What is the 'I' that dies if 'I=atoms' and I do not die.
You are not making sense...or making limited sense. See it now? Non existence/atoms which you say you are, can not debate 'Existence=God'. You can not. According to you, because you are non existence= mere atoms. And you can not die...according to you.
All that matters, all that can be proven to exist is God. :)
If you could only link the dots to GOD, a christian god nonetheless, that wud be awesome!
But as far as saying he's Everything... hes not needed for the universe to function and he needs not show his face and he needs not even be thought of and we need no help or ANYTHING , since it can all be explained by logics. it HAS been explained.
What remains is WHAT big bang really is and tons of refinement on other issues.
Theres alot we dont know, or.. alot we wanna find out ;)!
It's unfortunate u did not get the simple fact all through my serial presentations of it.
Until u can prove an existence, an atom, a science, a big bang, a you, a me. an anything.
Until you can prove a life, a death, a dream, an awakening. Blood, water, air.
Until then, and seeing you accept that all there is is in-existence. Then, all that matters to me, is the essence that remains that I am, besides the nothing you know, are and have. My essence is God. It's all that is or matters
You will agree as we concluded earlier. That a something, and essence like my self is rather retarded to debate with a self acknowledged atom of nothing.
Get it? You are nothing, in-existence so don't even ask or debate. You don't need to.
I will answer to 'Somethings', to more than 'nothing-atom' heaps. Somethings can comprehend and see God....which is all their actually is. :)
There you go again assigning property and function to illusion. Our only existence if any is an illusion Created by God. Existence.
How can all this bang out of nothing? Nothing remains nothing. We are still nothing. God alone is something. The force before time and matter nothings were banged out of nothing.
Not to absolutely 100%, but to generally know ENOUGh to establish something, relying on our senses.
If this is the case then science has proven atoms to exist. There are periodic tables and every single dinner or industry you come across use extensive knowledge about atoms and their reactions to maximize their efficiency.
Absolutely, and that's the very point of my video- for those who claim religionists, or so-called religionists do their evil for God. When these, people like Christian GWBush do these for material goods, oil, etc. Same issue- unfounded attributions and allegations.
Aliens made us? wtf? I have heard about that theory.. But i really don't care about Dawkins...
I just don't like people who says Hitler was a atheist and that makes atheism bad -.- When he really indeed was a fanatic idiot.
Stalin was a atheist, but he didn't shout "I'm doing this for atheism!!!" When he sent people to the gulag death camps. While Hitler said he did everything for a "Almighty creator"
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth!"
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
This isn't the whole speech, but the most important part ^_^
Please watch the video and see many more quotes where he prays for the death of Christianity. I guess he was as much of a Christian as I am an atheist.
BTW Is dawkins an atheist? How come he believes Aliens made us- view- TheAlienIllusion com
Atheism is lack of belief in a higher power/ A almighty creator... And there are A LOT of quotes that he talks about god/ a higher power from his book "Mein Kampf" and his speeches
Hmm, Hitler was heavily inspired by Martin Luther, you probably should know why?. Hitler had his own version of Christianity which he called "Positive Christianity" So... He is surely talking about the christian god?
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator - by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
man hitler was a christian and he belived that he was doing the work of god, and the other 2 guys yeah they war atheists but they dint do those things in the name of atheism,they war simply mentaly sick people,show me one proof that they did those things in the name of atheism .. you dont have any,but ther is proof that hitler done those things in the name of god ... so STOP saing hitler was an atheist,....he was a christian
Stalin and Hitler could have been atheists. But they did not kill in the name of atheism, just as when Christian priests sexually assault little innocent children, they do not do it in the name of baby Jesus, do they?
Yes, most religions value human life, but they also reduce life's value by claiming it is (or can be) eternal. And religion is one more thing providing reasons for people to hate each other. Many interpret their religions as saying it is OK, or even god's will, to kill those who don't believe or have different beliefs. And those interpretations are just as valid as any others! You may not interpret your religion in this way, but others surely have, do and will again in the future.
"With or without [religion], you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."
Steven Weinberg was wrong- simply because it is IMPOSSIBLE TO TEST THE- 'without religion' scenario, since everybody has been influenced by religion, and has remnants in him.
Do you know any society that has never had the influence of religion? please show me....
Steven Weinberg was talking on an individual level. But many societies had some sort of moral code and religious beliefs before the revealed monotheistic religions of the middle east. Do you doubt they invented these religions?
As for killing, even Jesus who said "turn the other cheek" also said "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword". And the quran has many suras inciting war against infidels, christians and jews. They are contradicted by other suras of course, but some ignore them.
"...They are contradicted by other suras of course, but some ignore them. ..."
Rightly said- Ignoring other verses is disbelief and not belief. Man is inherently evil, this is not religions fault. It is ignorant to accuse religion for the faults and errors of irreligious man, no?
Science makes good nuclear energy and the evil nuclear bomb. It is ignorant to call science evil, because some use it to make the evil nuclear bomb, won't you agree?
You still get it wrong. Bible says Jesus said those things, but you accused Religion of something DIFFERENT- Being sent to kill anyone of different faith. This is what I ask you to prove, not that religion does not sometimes need be violent. Prove what u said- 'being directed to kill other faiths.' Where did u find this.
2. That is your finding thus far, and it keeps going back with new discoveries. Evidence will ultimately show that Monotheism started from the first man.
I sent you a PM but you insist on replying here... OK...
Monotheism might have existed before, but as far as we know wasn't common before zoroastrianism and the abrahamic religions.
As for violence, the bible for example speaks of god ordering the isralites to conquer and kill the other tribes of the region. And I have pointed you to passages of the Quran supporting the killing of infidels, apostates, jews and christians. What more do you want? Do I need to copy them all here?
I apologize. I like debates as much as possible being in the open so all can benefit.
1. And I know Monotheism existed since the first man, soon, you will confirm that.
2. Your accusation was NOT OF VIOLENCE. If it was, then I would not challenge you to prove it, since violence against evil, murderous people is common sense and all humanity did, does and must do this.
What u said was- 'Some religion teaches the killing of any1 of another religion'. This is the error I asked u to prove.
I also like debates to be open, so others can see and participate if they wish. But the 500 character limit here is annoying.
What I said was, "Many interpret their religions as saying it is OK, or even god's will, to kill those who don't believe or have different beliefs. And those interpretations are just as valid as any others!"
I would think this is a very well known FACT. Do you disagree that people have been killing others throughout history using religion as the motivation?
You can accuse people, peoples use or misuse of Religion, peoples erroneous interpretation of Religion. I would join you in doing so actually. But make your statements properly- against the people and NOT Religion.
People also kill for empires, oil, for money, for the economy, for women, Bush kills for 'freedom', atheists kill for the lack of Religion. Heck people even kill for nothing.
Don't blame the gunpowder, blame the gun user. All I am saying.
Well... you said Hitler, Stalin, etc, killed millions because they rejected religion and therefore didn't value human life. But as I have been arguing, people also devalue human life and kill, not only despite religion, but even BECAUSE of it (i.e. using it as motivation and justification). What good is it then??
You blame atheism for Hitler and Stalin, that didn't kill in the name of atheism, and yet religion is innocent when others kill in the name of god???
If you listen closely, I did not say- Religion is innocent. What I pointed out was that the few, I repeat- few, thank God, Atheists who have been in power have done by far more horrendous, genocidal, barbaric, baseless crimes against humanity, than the many Religious (actually irreligious) hypocrites have, all together.
You have to admit Hitler, Stalin and Mao had means at their disposal that extremist religious leaders of past could only dream of.
We can indeed thank god (if he exists) that no theocratic leader or theocratic country had any significant military power in the 20th century. Today, with nuclear weapons, that idea is even more dreadful to imagine. Fortunately for the world, the religious obsession and zeal in the islamic countries kept them from developing economically or scientifically.
Infact just every developed Nation today has the arsenal that those three had, yet they are sensible, thank God for these Nations leaders being people of the Religions...and their constitutions being Religion derived. Whew!
Actually in the USA the religious right was never so powerful as in the last 8 years, and the US started 2 wars, tortured prisoners and spied on it's citizens. How good and moral...
Russia had many atheist leaders in the 20th century, Putin probably is too. None was as bloodthirsty as Stalin (not saints either, by any means!).
Iran has a very repressive regime, fought 2 wars with Iraq and they are constantly talking about whipping Israel from the map. Very peaceful!
Can't believe u mentioned Iran, one of the most peaceful Nations on earth. They were attacked by Iraq in both occasions, what will u do? Not fight back?
They never wished to wipe Israel off the map, quit that meaningless ish.
Iran's president repeatedly denies the holocaust of the jews ( I guess Hitler is innocent then) and that Israel shouldn't exist.
I know what genocide is, but fortunately (except perhaps in africaI) there is nothing that compares in modern times. We have had peace in europe for over 60 years, and not because we are more and more religious, but less! People ignore more and more parts of the bible, the churches are empty. This is not a victory of religion, but against it!
Challenges the numbers, not denies. get your facts right. He said Israel should not exist as Russia does not today. You are totally confused about this guy. lol lol sad.
What??? what you define as Modern times. 60 years???? What a joker.
I am getting desperate... trying to make you understand there is no correlation between atheism and immorality/genocide.
I'm sure both Hitler and Stalin had in their armies many religious men, but they still followed orders to kill innocents. They did so based on dogmatic ideologies that demanded blind obedience to a few principles and to the supreme leader. Just like most religions!
Hitler himself used christian theology to justify his hatred for jews, and to motivate people to do the same.
That is the danger with any dogmatic ideologies. That a few bad men can subvert it to justify bad things. Few if any religions can escape this possibility.
Atheism in itself provides no justifications, no reasons, to hate and kill others. Religion does!
So do you blame the iron used to make the gun, or the man that pulled the trigger.
Like i said before, people today likewise fight for rulers brinwashing them on all types of ideologies- 'freedom', 'finance', 'ignorance', you name it. Do we blame these things or the leaders and the desperate, misled foot soldiers?
I am just trying to help you have a clear understanding and fair focus.
You where the one blaming atheism for Hitler and Stalin, which is like blaming the air traversed by bullets! At least i blame the "gun".
And if this particular "gun" is largely unnecessary, has been and continues to be misused, why not question it? It is our duty to challenge the certainties, the dogmas, of religion. That is what leads to extremism and fanaticism. That people firmly believe sometimes obvious falsehoods without evidence, can never be a good thing.
I'm sorry but this video makes you look foolish, not those "who wrongfully attack religion". One commenter before me even thought you where joking... that this was parody.
Europe (particularly France and nordic countries) and Japan prove that man can exist without religion more and more each day. There are several countries in which the majority of the population is atheist / agnostic. And the number of the truly devout is very small. I will send you some statistics by PM.
There is no society today uninfluenced by any sort of religion. That is right. But that does not prove that we still need it.
Inspired by religion or not, you cannot deny that europeans have gone beyond religious moral teachings. Democracy, equality for all (no matter the gender, religion or sexual preferences), the end of slavery, the end of death penalty, free speech, etc, etc, have been established very much AGAINST religious teachings, not because of them.
That implies that religious leaders have been wrong about what their religions teach for many centuries. Most of the islamic world still is! The catholics are still preaching in Africa that condoms are evil, contributing to millions being infected with AIDS.
Many clerics could argue against the principles I cited on religious reasons. It is their interpretation. Who can prove they are wrong? You?
Absolutely correct. Many are all business men plane and simple. The Prophets proved this.
And Jesus(P) warned us of this- He said- 'Beware of wolf in sheep skin...they say they preach on my name, I will say to them-'gerraway from me, I don't know u, liars!'
Mohammed(P) went as far as saying that ppl will be so off the mark, that if u can just do 10%, God will accept u. He said to find a single righteous man, would be like- Go ask the Dan in the next town, rumor is there's 1 somewhere there.
I feel so saddened when I see how the Priests and Imams have destroyed the wonderful faith. The Bible says- how can we say we are righteous and we have the truth with us, when the authors of the Bible have written lies/turned it into a lie.'
It is very unfortunate that wicked people have destroyed most of a perfect thing, but I still enjoy the truth which we still have in books, esp. the entire Quran, and u can be a witness to this from my website- AgainstScienceCom.
IRAN IS PEACEFUL?! the depth of your fanaticism and stupidity is beyond any normal humans capacity...oh wait, thats right, your a christian. how silly of me, it makes sense now. your ego is 100 times bigger than your under developed, conformity dependent brain.
Pakistan and India also fought 2 wars with each other.
From that list only Germany and Turkey (the most moderate islamic state) haven't started a war in the last 70 years. Germany doesn't even have much military power, as they are still very ashamed of Hitler and WW2.
Excluding nuclear weapons you can only compare the military power of the US today with Germany and Russia of WW2. They made tens of thousands of airplanes and tanks.
I don't see no genocide that compares to Hitler, Mao or Stalin in all these.
We talkin about simply wiping people off the map for being people here. Please keep the perspective in mind. We are talkin of phenomenal desires to wipe out entire races, creeds etc. Holocaust proportions. Do you know what a genocide means? What ethnic cleansing means? What intercontinental genocides mean? We are not talking just wars now, we are talking of evil to satanic proportions, with them Hitler, Mao, and Stalin
Religious people cant be anti-semitic??? For 2000 years jews have been persecuted, harassed and killed by Christians, because "jews killed Jesus"!
Hitler, Mao and Stalin didn't kill MOTIVATED by their atheism (atheists don't generally hate people who have done them no harm). But they did have dangerous ideologies that motivated, justified and allowed them to kill. Exactly like the crusaders, the inquisition, Bin Laden, etc. Their ideologies are religious, but the result is the same.
I believe they killed due to their rejection of Religion.
Thanks, indeed Einstein was thrown out by the corrupted Christianity of his era, as would be any smart person,-
".Do you believe in God? "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. ."
as you can see from what Einstein wrote above- he clearly believed in an intelligent designer, he just didn't accept what the Bible described of him. I as a Muslim am on the same boat with him. The Bible has been corrupted and leads many non-atheists to reject common descriptions of God. This DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOW ATHEISTS. It means they need better than the popular corrupted faiths. They were seeking for true faith that explained all, accurately and limitlessly- Islam, etc.
He used/manipulated the Church to achieve his Atheist agenda.
His words:
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold its demise."
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.."
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew.."
I just try to better the lifes of people around me.
And what does the "good" believers tell me?
That I will burn in hell for eternety, because I did not do good in the name of [insert religion].
Again: READ!
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. " //S.Freud
Stalin & Mao didnt kill coz they were atheist, they killed coz of there idiology, theres a big difference there. Atheism isnt a faith system that they follow
U really think in this day & age in civilized society that any leader would repeat these actions ?
"Without religion there would be bad people doing bad things & good people doing good things, it takes religion for a good person to do a bad thing"
Being an Atheist isn't a religion, there arnt gatherings, ceremonies, holy books.
Hilter isnt an Atheist get it though your head read Mein Kampf and do a bit of research, don't just make unfounded, speculative claims that he is Atheist just because you dont like the idea. He says he killed JEWS as part of "Gods" work.
"I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold its demise."
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.."
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew.."
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All morals came from religious script. Man, like animals can't figure these himself.
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold its demise."
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.."etc
Where did you cite this from?
"All morals came from religious script. Man, like animals can't figure these himself. "
1. Google- 'hitler atheist quotes' and click the first link.
2. All scripture and religious revelations, from the Egyptians, in China, from the real Budha, from the true Hindu prophets, from Zoroastrian prophets, from Moses, from Jesus, from Mohammed, Einstein, from Adam, from all over the world through time. there have been over 100,000 prophets brought messages on behavior over time.
1.You are talking about the "quotes" from 'Hitler's table talk', I wouldnt rely on them as evidence. Bearing in mind its not reliable, there is no physical (recorded in anyway) evidence of any of the quotes he says, he never mentions any of these things to anybody in open or private conversations in his life, and he never denouces his faith or Jesus.
Don't believe everything you read. This is just hearsay.
Table talk is when you know the true person! What he says in public is because he needs take advantage and as lying atheist was manipulating people for his atheist, evolutionarist agenda.
2. You reading the corruptions of scripture perpetrated by non believers and atheists who tampered with it/them? They are still safer than any other thing/constitution/book the Earth has till date!
I know it is in there, but what am I supposed to see about it? I am totally confused. What is your objection to the confinement of adulterers? And what law have you that is better?
1st, what's your problem with the first one you posted, and my response here- "...I know it is in there, but what am I supposed to see about it? I am totally confused. What is your objection to the confinement of adulterers? And what law have you that is better?.."
after we through, then we move on. Orderliness is my thing if it's not yours.
Kindly read the next verse: [4.16] And as for the two who are guilty of indecency from among you, give them both a punishment; then if they repent and amend, turn aside from them.
So unfortunate, people like you. Yes, lewd married men are to be killed!
Ok...
Waiting for you to say what's wrong with Capital punishment for adultery, and what law you know of elsewhere that's better for earth...
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ShooterCinema 3 weeks ago
you're committing a major fallacy of composition. these three people were atheists, and these people we psychopathic murders, therefore, all atheists are psychopathic murders. You don't do anything to justify your statements (prophets of the "atheism cult" - really? present me with your evidence). I know this video is a few years old, so I hope that since you posted this you have grown up and realize how foolish you sound ranting on like this.
will7162 10 months ago
If you answer 'no' then you cannot blame atheism unless you want to admit that you are simply creating an arbitrary standard for everyone but yourself. If you answer yes you are creating an arbitrary standard for atheism that you don't want to apply to yourself.
WhereCanIGoFromHere 1 year ago
Let me ask this question, if we reversed the scenario so that you had (in all three cases) a state based on Atheism in which the leader was considered to be either a diety (Mao, Pol Pot) or the head of the Church, like the Pope (Stalin) and there is a revolution in which a Believer takes control of the country and then slaughters millions, would you blame all of religion? Article 24 of the Nazi's program: Promote "Positive Christianity" against the Jews. Not possible in Atheist state.
WhereCanIGoFromHere 1 year ago
hitler was atheist? umm no
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@Benjaminnorway8
Hitler- maybe and mabye if he was raised in the Jewish faith he wouldn't have committed those atrocites
Stalin- hmm maybe he tryed to do that because Jesus did exist he just didnt belive he was a messiah he also said "religion is just an opiate for the masses" and demolished churches and cathedrals throughout the nation
Mustaches I assume your joking
GamemasterRing 1 year ago
Hitler was raised Catholic, never left the Church, ruled Germany when it was as much a "Christian nation" as the USA was, invoked Christianity in support of the Nazi cause. Get your facts straight.
pwnUgood 1 year ago
Hitler - Not an atheist, neither christian. He was described by Himmler as a Anti Christian, however a deeply religious man.
Stalin - For some reason.. He tried to convince his daughter that Jesus exist, strange..
Mao - Well, he was a atheist. But a question.. how are atheism connected to his invidual actions? Stalin and Hitler had moustaches, maybe the moustaches had someting to do with their terrible actions? Doubt it..
BenjaminNorway8 1 year ago
So the moral acts of an atheist are just by chance? Do to the name of this channel it's seems pretty fake but just incase, anyone who needs permission from a God to be moral, is obviously moraly inferior.
clipsryan 1 year ago
I look forward to your rebuttal, however I doubt it.
Yours in the FSM,
TheKitch2
TheKitch2 2 years ago
something everyone has regardless of faith, and if they were Muslim, Hindu or Christian these atrocities would have been carried out.
Religion or rather a basic fundamentalist view of a persons religion is responsible for the atrocities like 9/11, as these people believed that they were doing gods work. So brainwashed that they lacked any capacity for thinking for themselves that they were willing to kill as many people as they can.
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TheKitch2 2 years ago
Give me evidence of who plotted 9/11 before we proceed with that discussion. let's limit to what we have evidence and facts on. These Athiests are hella gangsta mehn! We must prevent them from positions of power, i'm sure u agree.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
No I don't, that's bigotry, you don't understand why people just don't believe in a deity. It's not because they're evil, they just don't believe.....
TheKitch2 2 years ago
I have stopped half way through watching this video, it was just terrible. This argument by saying these men killed due to lack of faith, is simply ridiculous. The fact that these men were atheists (I'll allow Hitler to be counted because that I really couldn't what his beliefs were) has nothing to do with what they did, they were motivated by a lust for power and hatred.
TheKitch2 2 years ago
...and all these worst people in Earths history coincidentally happen to be faithless.
Hmmm. We better keep faithless people out of power, don't you say...
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
@AgainstScienceCom
Radovan Karadžić? He is religious and commited genocide
people with faith can do terrible things to. You can`t say that every atheist is bad beacause of Stalin. Norway have many atheists and are ranked the best country to live in. Sweden have most atheists the world and they to are ranked very high. Stalin and Mao belived THEY were god, they didn`t like people worship others than them. Thats why they wanted religion removed
BenjaminNorway8 1 year ago
Beautiful. Can't be better said.
Tell them like it is.
drbrimah007 2 years ago
You really don't get out much, do you?
First of all: Hitler was a Roman Catholic and most of the men following his order were catholics/christians as well...
But besides this little lie, none of these guys killed in the NAME of religion. Don't you think this is a rather important fact to ignore? While christians & muslims does their evil BACKED by their so called "holy" words.
You, sir, are a biggoted, uneducated liar.
Don't want science?
Stop using:
Plastic
Preserved food
Internet
a car
ydyammo 2 years ago
You forget that Hitler was also a follower of Nietzsche, which certainly runs counter to any christian belief and he was also extremely aware of his ancient germanic roots when the emperor controlled the Roman Church - so it really cannot be said what his actual beliefs were. He filled the churches with his own people and we do know that he imprisoned priests who spoke out against him. As far as Stalin and Mao -he's right on.
bantumwt 2 years ago
Dude, thats a plain Non Sequitur. I am fairly certain Hitler drank MILK! So, why not blame milk for the "final solution"?
Weather Hitler was or wasn't an atheist is of no importance since he did not do it in the name OF atheism.
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. " //S.Freud
(E.g. Genital mutilation, suicide bombings, stoning, etc, etc)
ydyammo 2 years ago
I don't think Hitler was an atheist, but no one is quite sure what he was because he was a very complicated individual. That aside the vid is true about Stalin and Mao, not to mention guys like Hoxha, Ceausescu, Pol Pot, etc. Greatest mass killings in human history. And yes, this was done in the name of atheism.
bantumwt 2 years ago
If you are against Science... Then please, live up to your ideals and stop using the FREKING INTERNET you stupid biggoted excuse for a human being.
ydyammo 2 years ago
ever heard of the crusades? the inquisition? are you fucking retarded? answer those questions for me please.
JIMMYguitar07 2 years ago
Not nearly as many as y'all atheists done did. lol lol
y'all damn well know how to massacre!
drbrimah007 2 years ago
ok im going to go ahead and accept the fact that your an uneducated, illiterate moron who has no grasp of global history whatsoever. so i'll break this down reeaaaaall easy for you: european CHRISTIANS called for TWELVE individual crusades, even one called the childrens crusade in which they sent 1,000 children into the muslim controlled holy land and said GOD would protect them. they ALL.DIED. the holocaust was not motivated by atheism, you redneck piece of shit.
JIMMYguitar07 2 years ago
Those numbers pale in comparison to what happened in the 20th c. in Russia, China, South Asia, Eastern Europe etc. and in a much shorter time.
bantumwt 2 years ago
Atheism has no content. The only thing that makes an atheist and atheist is a lack of belief in god and lack of belief in god entails nothing.
vooooom 2 years ago
Well when they declare themselves to be atheists ( I don't include Hitler) and they form groups like League of the Militant Athests and they circulate newspapers like "the Atheist" - then I think it safe to say that these things were done in the name of atheism. All card-carrying communists were required to accept atheism and to actively persecute any religious adherent. Thousands of religious structures destroyed, millions of clergy murdered or imprisoned. Not much more to say.
bantumwt 2 years ago
Atheists aren't a group. If a group comprised of atheists does things "in the name of atheism", that group doesn't represent and shouldn't be associated with other atheists.
I don't associate the "god hates fags" guy with other Christians. It's not fair to associate the misguided and isolated actions of some, even supposedly "in the name of" a belief system, with all proponents of that belief system. Doing so is intellectually dishonest.
vooooom 2 years ago
Not all atheists are alike or have identical POV's, but American Atheists is one of several atheist groups and the atheists mentioned in the vid were actual groups dedicated to establishing officially atheist governments.They also had the same philosophic orientations claimed by many atheists today.And many attitudes expressed are the same eg.C. Hitchens' exhortation to show"ridicule, hatred and contempt" for religion. There are also several anti-christian movies, books and acts - very similar.
bantumwt 2 years ago
I do disagree with some of the vid's statements. It cannot be said that 96% of the world's population are believers because we know that China is officially atheist and even though religion is growing and much more out in the open there, there are still no firm numbers. In Russia, even though they are no longer officially atheist, there are still probably half or so that are atheists. And of course there are many atheists in Europe although officially religious. cont.
bantumwt 2 years ago
cont. Also Hitler's position is a hard one to pin down because he was raised catholic and sometimes claimed to be christian,at other times condemning the church. He was also a student of Nietzsche's work and he had a extensive knowledge of Germany's role as protector and secular ruler of the ancient church during the Carolingian years (the 1st Reich).
bantumwt 2 years ago
The Reason Stalin and Mao have done these things is not because they were Atheists. It is because they were sociopaths. One can be a sociopath and BE a theist you know but he Might not necessarily be Such BECAUSE he a Theist. the two don`t things aren't associated. the same applies here, except that there are no exceptions for Atheism because a Null Hypothesis is not Grounds to take any action or make policy For that you must be a Anti theist, which is quite different.
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AcanLord 2 years ago
Oh and Hitler was not an Atheist, He was roman catholic.
And because Atheism is not Organized, does not have any structure or any form of Communion what so ever You shouldn't Be Attributing it to being the "cause" of any atrocities committed by any collection of them. An Atheist Does not get is Morality from Atheism, as it is merely the lack of belief in deities. The morality of Atheists is determined by the Social norms of Society and or what they consider acceptable.
AcanLord 2 years ago
Of course it has nothing.
Atheism never claims to.
It is nothing but the absence of a belief in deities
or the super natural. Thats all it is really, Nothing more. People who make a big deal out of need to get a life.
AcanLord 2 years ago
So every day if a christian muders a person on the streets of any country any where its religions fault. Thats your way of thinking.
Youre such an ignorant.
matteozinho 2 years ago
I guess you dont know the difference between doing something in the name of your religion and doing something and holding a belief.
You should read some books buddy.
matteozinho 2 years ago
I'm almost 100% certain that it's been said before, but Hitler was Catholic.
Argonnosi 2 years ago
So what he's saying is basically all christians have the same believes and morals and they dont make mistakes and all christians are divine and are everyone's friend and because their religious they are perfect humans with no flaw. = Religios ppl wont set foot in jail.
Got it. Nice logic m8. lol
mastela88 2 years ago
No, not at all. I didn't say All I pointed out, is that- Atheists and other worshipers of Anti-god are worse...get it? Worse.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
Now if you could prove that religious ppl dont get into accidents and end up in jail as the rest of the human population, THAT would be compelling. Otherwise ure argument is invalid since whats happened in history wud be based on chance and has nothing to do with gods intervention.
This argument made in the movie here has been debunked countless times and i dunno why ure still probing around with it.
God does not exist. (until proven)
mastela88 2 years ago
Accidents are divine destiny. Oh, by the way, they are not accidents but perfect INCIDENTS. :)
You are totally confused. It's impossible to argue that God does not exist, rather it's simple common sense that He does. Our existence can only be proven by His.
Ok, now over to you. Prove to me that you exist...
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
hahaha xD omg
first you tell me what god is, THEN you give me proof of his existence.
Its nog common sense god exists since you have to be TAUGHT INTO BELIEVING. Religion is man-made and does NOT come naturally, THAT is obvious.
Our existence is purely based on chance, evolution is a fact. We are just atoms.
You are totally confused since there is no debate and you are arguing FOR something which cant be proven right OR WRONG, since its imaginary and have no proof.
mastela88 2 years ago
1. God is Us. What 'you' type I easily prove as God and Gods power. The computer=God. Air=God. Now I have proved mine. You prove YOU. Prove to me that you exist as an individual. I ask again, I am waiting.
2.Smart people understand God is all there is. Less smart peeps can't see this fact.
3. Science and math proves categorically, go check, that chance alone can never make us. God evolved/originated us.
4. It's your existence that can't be proven. 'Your' breathing if u do is God.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
So from a human point of view I EXIST because other humans say so, and myself I agree.
The characteristics of other humans and their version of how they interact with me has lead me to believe i exist as a human.
I'm still just atoms. Not alive, just structured in a specific way.
mastela88 2 years ago
Simple- Prove to me your existence.
I am waiting.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
You CLAIM that god is the computer and air.
These are Claims. not proofs.
First you establish what god is, THEN you may prove his existence.
I'm simply atoms, from a human point of view the characteristics of my body is called Human. To ppl that knows me have objectified my atom characteristics as "Tomas".
Atoms interact with eachother. Evolution has shaped atoms to the way they are structured today.
Where they came from noone knows.
Im just atoms. "Life" is made up by humans.
mastela88 2 years ago
It's not what I claim. It is what it is! You do not recognize the computer, the air, you and me as God. I do. prove me wrong? You have no factual argument to do so...and to contest that I see, recognize and call all and all Power=God. One existence. No other existence.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
There is no argument to god, since you cant prove or disprove him.
Same with unicorns and rain elves. They cant be proven wrong and cant be proven right since they all are imaginary.
So tell me what god is. THEN show me proof.
mastela88 2 years ago
Now I am waiting...prove you, mastela exist...Prove there is an 'I' to this 'I am only atoms'. Which you? Are atoms a person? What are atoms? Which you exist? You?- mere in-existence! Please I ask a third time, prove you exist
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
I answered you. We are just atoms. Thats it, nothing more too it. You CLAIM that god is everything. that is not a proof, ure just saying we're MORE THAN ATOMS, which goes against logics. a computer is still just atoms, same atoms as created as the supposed big bang. Its not a COMPUTER, its just ATOMS that we call a computer to make other humans and ourselves to understand.
Humans OBJECTIFY.
If ure GOD is a logical fallacy in ure thinking, then i understand why u go against logics.
mastela88 2 years ago
You don;t get it do you?
What 'we'. That's what I am asking.
So b4 you go into the atom thing. prove there is a 'we' first. An individual that exists that is you.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
i told you what " I " was. Made up by humans.
This atom structure, has characteristics as other humans recognize. "humans" have evolved, its just atoms. This atom structure powerhouse has the ability to objectify objects.
There is no such thing as "WE" but if ure human u may say WE since its generally understood by other humans. Objectification makes our lives easier.
We are atoms. We think we are not humans. When you learn logics u learn u are just atoms.
What is god?
Go.
mastela88 2 years ago
Very good.
Thanks for the discussion. You did in deed speak intelligently here and speak the truth. 'You' are only a figment of objectified perceptive existence. In short- non existent.
Now, since see yourself as no more than just atoms. I am sure you will agree with me to say- Thanks for the discourse, I take my leave at this point, as I do not debate with and waste
my time discussing such matters as 'God' or any other important matter with 'atoms'.
God is all that is. Cheers.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
End of the line argument; We're atoms who react with eachother. What we are at this time of the universe are still atoms but we've landed ontop of eachother in a special way. If youre end claim says "atoms dont exist" I understand what you mean. But atoms Do exist so its a logical fallacy for u to think they dont.
Humans = Atoms
Everything = Atoms
God and unicorns = Imaginary
Thanks for ure time m8 <3
mastela88 2 years ago
The 'Me' that discusses God is not 'atoms'.
When man dies, the atoms still exist, yet the man is dead.
I am more than just atoms. My essence is God essence, makes me more than just atoms.
I understand that you are just an atom heap, and I am not even ready to waste my time further. It took long enough for you to admit your in-existence...and already you are going backward, claiming 'humans'. There's no humans. prove humans then prove 'atoms'. In short forget it. I can't get anywhere w atom
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
You are not more than atoms. When you die every single piece of you will deteriorate and be recycled.
New life forms will suck up ure energy and use that energy to grow.
If you say soul exist, or that you have a conscious, which is NOT based on logics, you will have to prove it.
Do you believe that you have blood in ure veins?
If you say NO then you think nothing exists and nothing can be proven. Ure dealing with absolute truths in which we cant trust anything.
mastela88 2 years ago
Says who? Who says I die. I change..and the change is only as per perception of inexistent atoms...possibly only something u/ur atom alone perceives in this world only u have. Our world being different than that your 'atom senses' paints for you. Prove that I die. can atoms die? If as you say, I am no more than atoms and atoms can not die then how do I die? What is the 'I' that dies if 'I=atoms' and I do not die.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
You are not making sense...or making limited sense. See it now? Non existence/atoms which you say you are, can not debate 'Existence=God'. You can not. According to you, because you are non existence= mere atoms. And you can not die...according to you.
All that matters, all that can be proven to exist is God. :)
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
You are actually starting to make sense!
You are starting to understand what im talking about, very impressive ;D!
Humans = Atoms
There is no such thing as LIFE
Humans and Life is just an objectification of other atom structures with similar shapes and movement and behavior.
When we "Die" we deteriorate, we're still atoms, and nothing has changed. There is still the same amount of atoms in the universe.
I cannot die since i was never alive. Its just human objectification.
mastela88 2 years ago
If you could only link the dots to GOD, a christian god nonetheless, that wud be awesome!
But as far as saying he's Everything... hes not needed for the universe to function and he needs not show his face and he needs not even be thought of and we need no help or ANYTHING , since it can all be explained by logics. it HAS been explained.
What remains is WHAT big bang really is and tons of refinement on other issues.
Theres alot we dont know, or.. alot we wanna find out ;)!
mastela88 2 years ago
I am not a 'Christian'.
And since you see that nothing exists, then you are closer to me. Cuz if nothing exists of what we know, then all that can exist is One thing= God.
I prove God 100000xs before you prove...well u don't even need prove your in-existence.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
All your questions have been answered as basic and scientific as possible.
Read thru the comments and ure questions shall be answered since ive written the answers already.
You have claimed god is everything, yet shown no proof to back you up. I have years of science and logic behind me to back me up.
I want no other answer from you than this;
What is the link between;
Big Bang cant be explained so therefore there is a christian or muslim god or whatever~?
Show me the link or im off. ty.
mastela88 2 years ago
Simple-
It's unfortunate u did not get the simple fact all through my serial presentations of it.
Until u can prove an existence, an atom, a science, a big bang, a you, a me. an anything.
Until you can prove a life, a death, a dream, an awakening. Blood, water, air.
Until then, and seeing you accept that all there is is in-existence. Then, all that matters to me, is the essence that remains that I am, besides the nothing you know, are and have. My essence is God. It's all that is or matters
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
You will agree as we concluded earlier. That a something, and essence like my self is rather retarded to debate with a self acknowledged atom of nothing.
Get it? You are nothing, in-existence so don't even ask or debate. You don't need to.
I will answer to 'Somethings', to more than 'nothing-atom' heaps. Somethings can comprehend and see God....which is all their actually is. :)
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
What functions?
There you go again assigning property and function to illusion. Our only existence if any is an illusion Created by God. Existence.
How can all this bang out of nothing? Nothing remains nothing. We are still nothing. God alone is something. The force before time and matter nothings were banged out of nothing.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
"...But atoms Do exist..."
Really? Prove it.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
If you answer YES, i have blood in my veins.
Then you agree humans can in fact KNOW things.
Not to absolutely 100%, but to generally know ENOUGh to establish something, relying on our senses.
If this is the case then science has proven atoms to exist. There are periodic tables and every single dinner or industry you come across use extensive knowledge about atoms and their reactions to maximize their efficiency.
mastela88 2 years ago
What is the use of the blood? What's this blood talk about? What's the significance? You lost me here. Illusions? Atoms need blood?
2. No, what is science? Science does not exist. Is science an atom? Prove science?
Do you believe in the big bang?
Can something form from nothing?
Prove the Big bang, that 'atoms' as you call yourself came from nothing/ a subatomic particle.
Heyy..are you there? prove something, PLEASE!!!!
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
Dumb ass.
onedeath7 2 years ago
Jeeesus chriiissst.. Well, we have to agree that we disagree ^^
BenjaminNorway8 2 years ago
Absolutely, and that's the very point of my video- for those who claim religionists, or so-called religionists do their evil for God. When these, people like Christian GWBush do these for material goods, oil, etc. Same issue- unfounded attributions and allegations.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
Aliens made us? wtf? I have heard about that theory.. But i really don't care about Dawkins...
I just don't like people who says Hitler was a atheist and that makes atheism bad -.- When he really indeed was a fanatic idiot.
Stalin was a atheist, but he didn't shout "I'm doing this for atheism!!!" When he sent people to the gulag death camps. While Hitler said he did everything for a "Almighty creator"
That is a big difference!
BenjaminNorway8 2 years ago
That's the way you choose/prefer to look at it/imagine it, but you are wrong.
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
Hitler was the product of enlightenment atheism, as were the german population at that time.
faro0485 2 years ago
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth!"
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
This isn't the whole speech, but the most important part ^_^
BenjaminNorway8 2 years ago
Please watch the video and see many more quotes where he prays for the death of Christianity. I guess he was as much of a Christian as I am an atheist.
BTW Is dawkins an atheist? How come he believes Aliens made us- view- TheAlienIllusion com
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
Atheism is lack of belief in a higher power/ A almighty creator... And there are A LOT of quotes that he talks about god/ a higher power from his book "Mein Kampf" and his speeches
Hmm, Hitler was heavily inspired by Martin Luther, you probably should know why?. Hitler had his own version of Christianity which he called "Positive Christianity" So... He is surely talking about the christian god?
BenjaminNorway8 2 years ago 2
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator - by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
-Adolf Hitler
Atheist Hitler = Myth.
BenjaminNorway8 2 years ago
Which 'Almighty Creator'?
'Aliens' as Dawkins advocates? Or 'Nature', as scientists proclaim?
I see no evidence of religion in him. Which religion if I may ask you?
AgainstScienceCom 2 years ago
"the love and respect for human life that religion teaches"? Ppfffttt..
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man hitler was a christian and he belived that he was doing the work of god, and the other 2 guys yeah they war atheists but they dint do those things in the name of atheism,they war simply mentaly sick people,show me one proof that they did those things in the name of atheism .. you dont have any,but ther is proof that hitler done those things in the name of god ... so STOP saing hitler was an atheist,....he was a christian
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Stalin and Hitler could have been atheists. But they did not kill in the name of atheism, just as when Christian priests sexually assault little innocent children, they do not do it in the name of baby Jesus, do they?
WhitePilgrim86 3 years ago
Flavours of corruption.
faro0485 3 years ago
Yes, most religions value human life, but they also reduce life's value by claiming it is (or can be) eternal. And religion is one more thing providing reasons for people to hate each other. Many interpret their religions as saying it is OK, or even god's will, to kill those who don't believe or have different beliefs. And those interpretations are just as valid as any others! You may not interpret your religion in this way, but others surely have, do and will again in the future.
Nelson05389 3 years ago
- cont -
No one has said it better than Steven Weinberg:
"With or without [religion], you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."
Nelson05389 3 years ago
Steven Weinberg was wrong- simply because it is IMPOSSIBLE TO TEST THE- 'without religion' scenario, since everybody has been influenced by religion, and has remnants in him.
Do you know any society that has never had the influence of religion? please show me....
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
"...Many interpret their religions as saying it is OK, or even god's will, to kill..."
I do not know and have never heard of any such Religion.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
Steven Weinberg was talking on an individual level. But many societies had some sort of moral code and religious beliefs before the revealed monotheistic religions of the middle east. Do you doubt they invented these religions?
As for killing, even Jesus who said "turn the other cheek" also said "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword". And the quran has many suras inciting war against infidels, christians and jews. They are contradicted by other suras of course, but some ignore them.
Nelson05389 3 years ago
Monotheism stated with the first man, NOT JUDAISM.
What Jesus said is absolutely different from your accusation.
You said- "...Many interpret their religions as saying it is OK, or even god's will, to kill those who don't believe or have different beliefs..."
Please show me what Religion says- 'kill for being of other Religion'.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
"...They are contradicted by other suras of course, but some ignore them. ..."
Rightly said- Ignoring other verses is disbelief and not belief. Man is inherently evil, this is not religions fault. It is ignorant to accuse religion for the faults and errors of irreligious man, no?
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
Science makes good nuclear energy and the evil nuclear bomb. It is ignorant to call science evil, because some use it to make the evil nuclear bomb, won't you agree?
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
You still get it wrong. Bible says Jesus said those things, but you accused Religion of something DIFFERENT- Being sent to kill anyone of different faith. This is what I ask you to prove, not that religion does not sometimes need be violent. Prove what u said- 'being directed to kill other faiths.' Where did u find this.
2. That is your finding thus far, and it keeps going back with new discoveries. Evidence will ultimately show that Monotheism started from the first man.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
I sent you a PM but you insist on replying here... OK...
Monotheism might have existed before, but as far as we know wasn't common before zoroastrianism and the abrahamic religions.
As for violence, the bible for example speaks of god ordering the isralites to conquer and kill the other tribes of the region. And I have pointed you to passages of the Quran supporting the killing of infidels, apostates, jews and christians. What more do you want? Do I need to copy them all here?
Nelson05389 3 years ago
I apologize. I like debates as much as possible being in the open so all can benefit.
1. And I know Monotheism existed since the first man, soon, you will confirm that.
2. Your accusation was NOT OF VIOLENCE. If it was, then I would not challenge you to prove it, since violence against evil, murderous people is common sense and all humanity did, does and must do this.
What u said was- 'Some religion teaches the killing of any1 of another religion'. This is the error I asked u to prove.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
I also like debates to be open, so others can see and participate if they wish. But the 500 character limit here is annoying.
What I said was, "Many interpret their religions as saying it is OK, or even god's will, to kill those who don't believe or have different beliefs. And those interpretations are just as valid as any others!"
I would think this is a very well known FACT. Do you disagree that people have been killing others throughout history using religion as the motivation?
Nelson05389 3 years ago
I know, it definitely sucks.
You can accuse people, peoples use or misuse of Religion, peoples erroneous interpretation of Religion. I would join you in doing so actually. But make your statements properly- against the people and NOT Religion.
People also kill for empires, oil, for money, for the economy, for women, Bush kills for 'freedom', atheists kill for the lack of Religion. Heck people even kill for nothing.
Don't blame the gunpowder, blame the gun user. All I am saying.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
Well... you said Hitler, Stalin, etc, killed millions because they rejected religion and therefore didn't value human life. But as I have been arguing, people also devalue human life and kill, not only despite religion, but even BECAUSE of it (i.e. using it as motivation and justification). What good is it then??
You blame atheism for Hitler and Stalin, that didn't kill in the name of atheism, and yet religion is innocent when others kill in the name of god???
Nelson05389 3 years ago
If you listen closely, I did not say- Religion is innocent. What I pointed out was that the few, I repeat- few, thank God, Atheists who have been in power have done by far more horrendous, genocidal, barbaric, baseless crimes against humanity, than the many Religious (actually irreligious) hypocrites have, all together.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
You have to admit Hitler, Stalin and Mao had means at their disposal that extremist religious leaders of past could only dream of.
We can indeed thank god (if he exists) that no theocratic leader or theocratic country had any significant military power in the 20th century. Today, with nuclear weapons, that idea is even more dreadful to imagine. Fortunately for the world, the religious obsession and zeal in the islamic countries kept them from developing economically or scientifically.
Nelson05389 3 years ago
Pakistan
India
Israel
USA
Russia
Germany
Iran
Turkey
UK
Infact just every developed Nation today has the arsenal that those three had, yet they are sensible, thank God for these Nations leaders being people of the Religions...and their constitutions being Religion derived. Whew!
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
Actually in the USA the religious right was never so powerful as in the last 8 years, and the US started 2 wars, tortured prisoners and spied on it's citizens. How good and moral...
Russia had many atheist leaders in the 20th century, Putin probably is too. None was as bloodthirsty as Stalin (not saints either, by any means!).
Iran has a very repressive regime, fought 2 wars with Iraq and they are constantly talking about whipping Israel from the map. Very peaceful!
Nelson05389 3 years ago
Can't believe u mentioned Iran, one of the most peaceful Nations on earth. They were attacked by Iraq in both occasions, what will u do? Not fight back?
They never wished to wipe Israel off the map, quit that meaningless ish.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
Iran's president repeatedly denies the holocaust of the jews ( I guess Hitler is innocent then) and that Israel shouldn't exist.
I know what genocide is, but fortunately (except perhaps in africaI) there is nothing that compares in modern times. We have had peace in europe for over 60 years, and not because we are more and more religious, but less! People ignore more and more parts of the bible, the churches are empty. This is not a victory of religion, but against it!
Nelson05389 3 years ago
Challenges the numbers, not denies. get your facts right. He said Israel should not exist as Russia does not today. You are totally confused about this guy. lol lol sad.
What??? what you define as Modern times. 60 years???? What a joker.
I really think you are getting desperate here.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
I am getting desperate... trying to make you understand there is no correlation between atheism and immorality/genocide.
I'm sure both Hitler and Stalin had in their armies many religious men, but they still followed orders to kill innocents. They did so based on dogmatic ideologies that demanded blind obedience to a few principles and to the supreme leader. Just like most religions!
Hitler himself used christian theology to justify his hatred for jews, and to motivate people to do the same.
Nelson05389 3 years ago
That is the danger with any dogmatic ideologies. That a few bad men can subvert it to justify bad things. Few if any religions can escape this possibility.
Atheism in itself provides no justifications, no reasons, to hate and kill others. Religion does!
Nelson05389 3 years ago
True.
So do you blame the iron used to make the gun, or the man that pulled the trigger.
Like i said before, people today likewise fight for rulers brinwashing them on all types of ideologies- 'freedom', 'finance', 'ignorance', you name it. Do we blame these things or the leaders and the desperate, misled foot soldiers?
I am just trying to help you have a clear understanding and fair focus.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
You where the one blaming atheism for Hitler and Stalin, which is like blaming the air traversed by bullets! At least i blame the "gun".
And if this particular "gun" is largely unnecessary, has been and continues to be misused, why not question it? It is our duty to challenge the certainties, the dogmas, of religion. That is what leads to extremism and fanaticism. That people firmly believe sometimes obvious falsehoods without evidence, can never be a good thing.
Nelson05389 3 years ago
Nope.
I only made those who wrongfully attack religion realize their folly.
Till you can prove that man can exist without religion, your other point will not be acceptable.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
I'm sorry but this video makes you look foolish, not those "who wrongfully attack religion". One commenter before me even thought you where joking... that this was parody.
Europe (particularly France and nordic countries) and Japan prove that man can exist without religion more and more each day. There are several countries in which the majority of the population is atheist / agnostic. And the number of the truly devout is very small. I will send you some statistics by PM.
Nelson05389 3 years ago
U just don't get it, do you.
Every society on todays earth HAS HAD CONTACT AND INFLUENCE OF RELIGIONS.
Cristopher Hitchens, Dawkins are all loaded with religion even though they portray atheism. Do you understand now?
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
There is no society today uninfluenced by any sort of religion. That is right. But that does not prove that we still need it.
Inspired by religion or not, you cannot deny that europeans have gone beyond religious moral teachings. Democracy, equality for all (no matter the gender, religion or sexual preferences), the end of slavery, the end of death penalty, free speech, etc, etc, have been established very much AGAINST religious teachings, not because of them.
Nelson05389 3 years ago
Nope!
Those are actually in true abidance to religious teachings, not the misuse and abandonment of them that lead to these abuses in the past.
Lack of religion= oppression and animalistic theft and murder. It is religion that taught us than man is equal, race, sex, color etc.
You have an upside-down, appreciation and understanding of the realities of life. Most-all Government constitutions are directly from holy books.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
That implies that religious leaders have been wrong about what their religions teach for many centuries. Most of the islamic world still is! The catholics are still preaching in Africa that condoms are evil, contributing to millions being infected with AIDS.
Many clerics could argue against the principles I cited on religious reasons. It is their interpretation. Who can prove they are wrong? You?
Nelson05389 3 years ago
Absolutely correct. Many are all business men plane and simple. The Prophets proved this.
And Jesus(P) warned us of this- He said- 'Beware of wolf in sheep skin...they say they preach on my name, I will say to them-'gerraway from me, I don't know u, liars!'
Mohammed(P) went as far as saying that ppl will be so off the mark, that if u can just do 10%, God will accept u. He said to find a single righteous man, would be like- Go ask the Dan in the next town, rumor is there's 1 somewhere there.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
I feel so saddened when I see how the Priests and Imams have destroyed the wonderful faith. The Bible says- how can we say we are righteous and we have the truth with us, when the authors of the Bible have written lies/turned it into a lie.'
It is very unfortunate that wicked people have destroyed most of a perfect thing, but I still enjoy the truth which we still have in books, esp. the entire Quran, and u can be a witness to this from my website- AgainstScienceCom.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
If you said- the new laws tolerating anal sex and the laws that led to global warming are from abandoning religion, that I will agree.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
IRAN IS PEACEFUL?! the depth of your fanaticism and stupidity is beyond any normal humans capacity...oh wait, thats right, your a christian. how silly of me, it makes sense now. your ego is 100 times bigger than your under developed, conformity dependent brain.
JIMMYguitar07 2 years ago
Pakistan and India also fought 2 wars with each other.
From that list only Germany and Turkey (the most moderate islamic state) haven't started a war in the last 70 years. Germany doesn't even have much military power, as they are still very ashamed of Hitler and WW2.
Excluding nuclear weapons you can only compare the military power of the US today with Germany and Russia of WW2. They made tens of thousands of airplanes and tanks.
Nelson05389 3 years ago
I don't see no genocide that compares to Hitler, Mao or Stalin in all these.
We talkin about simply wiping people off the map for being people here. Please keep the perspective in mind. We are talkin of phenomenal desires to wipe out entire races, creeds etc. Holocaust proportions. Do you know what a genocide means? What ethnic cleansing means? What intercontinental genocides mean? We are not talking just wars now, we are talking of evil to satanic proportions, with them Hitler, Mao, and Stalin
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
I guess to you a Holocaust means nothing.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
Religious people cant be anti-semitic??? For 2000 years jews have been persecuted, harassed and killed by Christians, because "jews killed Jesus"!
Hitler, Mao and Stalin didn't kill MOTIVATED by their atheism (atheists don't generally hate people who have done them no harm). But they did have dangerous ideologies that motivated, justified and allowed them to kill. Exactly like the crusaders, the inquisition, Bin Laden, etc. Their ideologies are religious, but the result is the same.
Nelson05389 3 years ago
I believe they killed due to their rejection of Religion.
Thanks, indeed Einstein was thrown out by the corrupted Christianity of his era, as would be any smart person,-
".Do you believe in God? "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. ."
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
as you can see from what Einstein wrote above- he clearly believed in an intelligent designer, he just didn't accept what the Bible described of him. I as a Muslim am on the same boat with him. The Bible has been corrupted and leads many non-atheists to reject common descriptions of God. This DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOW ATHEISTS. It means they need better than the popular corrupted faiths. They were seeking for true faith that explained all, accurately and limitlessly- Islam, etc.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
Finally- Those so called crusaders were atheists, sheep in wolves skin.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
I think it's a parody, jesus guys, chill out.
This cannot be serious. There is no way.
k12970 3 years ago
I don't think it's a parody...
I do think he's a troll though, and have voted accordingly.
ydyammo 2 years ago
Adolf Hitler was a catholic
Do your research...
Your presenting me with three people whom of which you think are athiests...
Whilst i can present to you, hundreds of people who have done just as worse violent activities who are hardcore religious fanatics
pweidmann 3 years ago
He used/manipulated the Church to achieve his Atheist agenda.
His words:
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold its demise."
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.."
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew.."
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
that doesnt make him an athiest
your a douche\
fuck off seriously
your so gay
you seriously are a dickhead
your a poofter, god hates you, suck my wang
oh my god.
DIE
pweidmann 3 years ago
lol
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
You are a troll...
There is nothing good about you.
A Wolf dressed in a sheep skin, you want nothing but to stir people into hate.
You are the definition of wicked.
ydyammo 2 years ago
Only 4% world population= Atheists.
Of that 4%, very few have been in power.
Of that very small number, almost 100% have committed the worst atrocities ever!!!
Now, imagine what would be had as many atheists been rulers of nations as have people of religions.
Me and you would not be here having this conversation today. The world would be no more!
Do the math:
Ratio of atheist rulers in history and compare to ratio of true religious rulers in history and relate to their degree of atrocities.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
I don't believe in a personal god...
I haven't killed, nor stolen or betrayed...
I just try to better the lifes of people around me.
And what does the "good" believers tell me?
That I will burn in hell for eternety, because I did not do good in the name of [insert religion].
Again: READ!
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. " //S.Freud
ydyammo 2 years ago
ydyammo: Who are you addressing here?
bantumwt 2 years ago
AgainstScienceCom
This whole channel is nothing but a Trolling attempt... I'm out...
ydyammo 2 years ago
Epic FAIL
Firstly Hilter was christian
Stalin & Mao didnt kill coz they were atheist, they killed coz of there idiology, theres a big difference there. Atheism isnt a faith system that they follow
U really think in this day & age in civilized society that any leader would repeat these actions ?
"Without religion there would be bad people doing bad things & good people doing good things, it takes religion for a good person to do a bad thing"
If your against science stop using youtube
hypocrite
10shinhan 3 years ago
It is actually the 'lack of faith system', that they follow that made all three the most horrific genocidal murderers in the history of our planet.
God help us not have more leadership positioned followers of no faith.
Amen! Please say it too, i know you honestly dread it.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
You've ignored most of what I said.
Let me explain my point
Being an Atheist isn't a religion, there arnt gatherings, ceremonies, holy books.
Hilter isnt an Atheist get it though your head read Mein Kampf and do a bit of research, don't just make unfounded, speculative claims that he is Atheist just because you dont like the idea. He says he killed JEWS as part of "Gods" work.
"I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work."
10shinhan 3 years ago
Hitler called Religion the greatest enemy of man. You need get your facts straight.
There is no difference between doing for/as of religions, or doing due to the lack of it. The consequence is not made any better.
Or do you prefer the way Stalin and Mao and Hitler wiped out people?
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
"Hitler called Religion the greatest enemy of man."
When did he say this?
"There is no difference between doing for/as of religions, or doing due to the lack of it. The consequence is not made any better."
There is a big difference actually, Religion is blind and doing something through pure faith. How many Atheist suicide bombers do you see ?
"Or do you prefer the way Stalin and Mao and Hitler wiped out people?"
Don't be ignorant.
Let me ask you this, where should we get our morals from?
10shinhan 3 years ago
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold its demise."
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.."
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew.."
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All morals came from religious script. Man, like animals can't figure these himself.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold its demise."
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.."etc
Where did you cite this from?
"All morals came from religious script. Man, like animals can't figure these himself. "
What religious script exactly?
10shinhan 3 years ago
1. Google- 'hitler atheist quotes' and click the first link.
2. All scripture and religious revelations, from the Egyptians, in China, from the real Budha, from the true Hindu prophets, from Zoroastrian prophets, from Moses, from Jesus, from Mohammed, Einstein, from Adam, from all over the world through time. there have been over 100,000 prophets brought messages on behavior over time.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
1.You are talking about the "quotes" from 'Hitler's table talk', I wouldnt rely on them as evidence. Bearing in mind its not reliable, there is no physical (recorded in anyway) evidence of any of the quotes he says, he never mentions any of these things to anybody in open or private conversations in his life, and he never denouces his faith or Jesus.
Don't believe everything you read. This is just hearsay.
Mein Kampf however is an accurate source.
2. Scriptures also contain horrible messages.
10shinhan 3 years ago
hahaha
Table talk is when you know the true person! What he says in public is because he needs take advantage and as lying atheist was manipulating people for his atheist, evolutionarist agenda.
2. You reading the corruptions of scripture perpetrated by non believers and atheists who tampered with it/them? They are still safer than any other thing/constitution/book the Earth has till date!
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
1.Like I said non of it was proven. There is no record. It's not evidence, Mein Kampf is.
2. Tampered with them how ? How do you know ?
10shinhan 3 years ago
1. I can say the same of all tainted historical 'records' and claims against religions.
2. There is over whelming evidence of the tampering. The only book available today that is completely untampered is the Muslim Quran.
It has no flaws. 99.9% demonstrable perfection, better than anything available today elsewhere.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
1. I'm talking about Hilter and you can't say Mein Kampf is tainted.
2. "Women who are guilty of lewdness ... confine them to the houses until death take them"
Your saying this book has no flaws?
10shinhan 3 years ago
2. Ok?
You posted a quote on strong punishment for marital lewdness...and what am I supposed to see in that?
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
It's in the Quran. What are you suppost to see in it? I hope that you are disgusted by it.
10shinhan 3 years ago
I know it is in there, but what am I supposed to see about it? I am totally confused. What is your objection to the confinement of adulterers? And what law have you that is better?
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
ok here is another one:
"As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. ... An exemplary punishment from Allah"
10shinhan 3 years ago
Hey, have we jumped. Still waiting for you to disprove or provide more human and planet considerate laws than the first one you posted.
Is it a jumping game now?
lol lol lol
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
Why are you ignoring it? i'm not jumping anything.
Don't avoid this:
You agree with cutting off someone's hands if they steal?
10shinhan 3 years ago
One by one sir.
1st, what's your problem with the first one you posted, and my response here- "...I know it is in there, but what am I supposed to see about it? I am totally confused. What is your objection to the confinement of adulterers? And what law have you that is better?.."
after we through, then we move on. Orderliness is my thing if it's not yours.
AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago
Why do I even have to mention whats wrong with this, this is what concerns me.
it doesnt say 'adulterers' it says 'WOMEN' who are 'guilty of lewdness' theres no mention of adultery. And confinement until death is extreme.
Unless you think every woman (not man!) is guilty of any lewdness, should be confined until death?
It's wrong on so many levels.
10shinhan 3 years ago
That is Quran 4:15.
Kindly read the next verse: [4.16] And as for the two who are guilty of indecency from among you, give them both a punishment; then if they repent and amend, turn aside from them.
So unfortunate, people like you. Yes, lewd married men are to be killed!
Ok...
Waiting for you to say what's wrong with Capital punishment for adultery, and what law you know of elsewhere that's better for earth...
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AgainstScienceCom 3 years ago