UC Berkeley Protests at Wheeler Hall Part 1

[CCRULES05]

Ah you have to love radical left UC Berkely and their protests. God I would of given anything to be a riot cop their, smashing commie, anti-american libtards in the face. What an awesome job to have as cops.

[silvermediastudio]

I thought you had to be smart to get into UC Berkeley?

All these kids' parents should be trying to get a refund on their tuition payments. Clearly the kids haven't learned anything, and probably never will.

[zacjj1]

cant believe the students were so disiplined and didnt charge the police, in england it would have most likely ended with a fight, injuries on both sides maybe fire bombs and most definately bricks and rocks thrown by protestors suppose that a key difference between our societies although use are willing to stand in harmony with each other in alot of cases in the uk we will stand up for our rights in different means e.g. police man hits you with a night stick we throw bricks

[silvermediastudio]

@zacjj1 That's because these students are, at their core, pussies.

[NARCOPOLO76]

no $ for education but plenty of $ to hire cops.

[Trimbler00]

@NARCOPOLO76 Yes... a police force is important dumbshit

[Punkdownthestreet]

its funny how these kids behave obediently...

its funny how the cop walks around like he is tough: remember guys he was your high school jock who got no where and now "protects" you from thugs in the streets when in fact they're the thugs

and he only walks like he is tough because he has a job...

if only they knew what it was like to deal with financial hardships when it comes to voting time in Los angeles denie them money and make sure they dont get shit for their budget renewals or proposals

[ioriorioriorio]

@Punkdownthestreet ...not really, not to obedient...watch some of the oak grove protest from a few years earlier, some good c.d. there....and they took over wheeler '60's style( columbia u.)...I like your comment about the no- where jock though, spot on with that opinion!! Thugs way back, and still thugs!!

[silvermediastudio]

@Punkdownthestreet You're an idiot.

[supernishi]

I am just wondering, if you cross the barricade the police set up, is that considered trespassing or breaking any kind of law? Considering you are a Berkeley student and all..

[politicaldebauchery]

That's considered a fractured skull, broken ribs and two black eyes . . . and time in jail. Ha!

[politicaldebauchery]

For a school that significantly lacks black student enrollment, I am not sad to see these white elites pay a few thousands more.

[sipajpe]

All students will be forced to deal with the fees, not just so-called "white elites" whatever that means. Students seeking entrance into any prestigious university (particularly CAL) must bring their best to the academic forefront and present their abilities to excel amid the rigors of intellectual training. This is independent of ethnicity, culture, social class.

[politicaldebauchery]

I laugh at the contradiction within your response. You associate the term PRESTIGIOUS with CAL, but pretend to not comprehend what I mean by white elites. I would argue that prestige is synonymous to white elitism. Look at Yale, Harvard, Princeton—schools that I'm sure you would not repudiate are PRESTIGIOUS. And if you look their enrollment records, you will SHOCKINGLY discover that these institutions are whiter than rice and the household income of these students is beyond the national avg.

[sipajpe]

There is no contradiction in the initial response. You used the term "white elites" in reference to CAL. My question is, if that is your stance on said individuals, how do you perceive non-white minority student in CAL? Minority Elites? Cal is prestigious (prestige in the sense that it is reflective of academic merit not the ethnic, social, or culture background of staff and students) but I ask that you research into the stats regarding the enrollment of non-white minorities.

[politicaldebauchery]

Oh, yes there is!! My concern is about black student representation, not the overall minority orientations. These black students are not black elites; rather, they are deserving, even obligated to a world class education. You are apparently living in a world not in reality if you believe minority (particularly black) students are fairly represented at Cal, or any other PRESTIGIOUS (academic) institution.

[sipajpe]

The overemphasis of a black/white dichotomy vitiates your argument and brings to question your knowledge of the state's population as a whole. The state boasts areas with diverse ethnic, cultural, and social enclaves- simply put, a black/white dichotomy is an inaccurate portrayal of the states diversity as a whole. What should be asked about the enrollment of any student is "what is the standard for admittance into Cal?" Ethnicity, social class, or academic achievement?

[politicaldebauchery]

your attempt to appear intelligent is pointless because you fail to respond to the message. i never said anything about the state of california lacking minority orientations. where did you pull that out of your ass? if you go back to my first response, i simply point out the lack of (black) student representation, nothing more, nothing less. I would like you to explain your first sentence. Words don't impress me; the meaning behind them does. How do I overemphasize the black/white dichotomy?

[sipajpe]

Why should any ethnic group's presence in CAL be more desirable over any other? Again, an individual seeking a world class education should provide credible indication that she/he is capable of handling the academic rigors of the university.  This may be done by demonstrating outstanding intellectual accomplishments.

[politicaldebauchery]

I don't disagree with you in regards to your point made in your second sentence. However, what you fail to understand is the social underpinnings/barriers that prevent black students from obtaining a world class education, despite how intelligent they may be. These problems are structural (institutional racism), poverty, racism, etc, and they affect upward mobility. You wouldn't understand these problems because you head is too far up in the clouds.

[sipajpe]

Taking into account the existence of social underpinnings/barriers, we must not neglect the standards of admittance of the particular university in question. Is it not the case that at Cal, a student providing solid academic performance with a background that is socially/economically disadvantaged is more likely to be admitted than a student whose academic performance is mediocre, despite living a pampered lifestyle?

[politicaldebauchery]

I would like to concur with you on this point, but the history and data do not validate your claim. I fundamentally disagree.

[sipajpe]

I remain open minded to the possibility that the history and date do not validate my claim. Please demonstrate.

[politicaldebauchery]

You might be interested in reading The Big Test: The Secret History of the American Meritocracy

[sipajpe]

Thanks for the recommendation.

[politicaldebauchery]

and how do you suppose this calls into question my knowledge of the state's population as a whole? did you have nothing else to respond to? LOL!!! I didn't make any references about the state of CA's minority populations. As for the standard of admittance into Cal, I would say it's all of the above. However, (going back to my initial point) Cal does a horrible job at recruiting (black) students. I was on campus today and sighted three black students. Ridiculous!

[sipajpe]

Please state the demograpics of the state, starting with Whites, Blacks, Asians, Hispanics etc. How many black students within CAL are representative of the population of the state's black population as a whole? Also, you fail to address my repeated mention of academic achievement. Finally, I am at CAL everyday. lol jajajajaj

[politicaldebauchery]

No need to provide demographics of the state. You can find that online yourself and that's pointless to my argument and to this conversation. Apparently you are not understanding the sociological perspective of my view, which is a waste of my time to continue this meaningless tit-for-tat. What halls do you mop and sweep? Maybe I'll come by and say hello.

[sipajpe]

Although I have found aspects of sociology amusing, I find it hard to digest the assumed deterministic tinge. So, wanna argue without the facts?  Wow! I mop and sweep daily at Kroeber Hall, principally in the George and Mary Foster Anthropology library. jajajaja

[politicaldebauchery]

assumed deterministic tinge? i'm listening.

[sipajpe]

I acknowledge the possibility that various academic disciplines provide unique vantage points of interest for individuals inquiring into the nature of human societies. I personally dislike the notion of determinism, but this is a subjective inclination against it.The structure of society may be a factor in shaping groups, but is it the ultimate determinate? What about the individual? I espouse the possibility that an individual can overcome their surroundings, but it may just be a pipe dream.

[politicaldebauchery]

I am still unsure from which discipline you use that term determinism--philosophy, religion, humanities, its meaning in terms of our conversation and what about it you disagree. Structure of society is not the ultimate determinate, if by determinate you mean end/outcome/outlet. However, the structure (cultural dialogue, power, status, wealth, education, class) of society is inextricably interwoven within the social fabric of human interaction, and thereby influences individual perception.

[generalsternwood]

2hunt said: "broke from PROGRESSIVE agendas"

No, the state is broke from wrecking its taxation system out of a conservative agenda.

We had the money at one time to build the best public education system in the world. Now we're dismantling it because greed encouraged people not to fund it. Failing to realize that their economic prosperity grew out of the innovation and commerce that resulted from having such a well-educated populace.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

[dally22]

are some people honestly that ignorant to really think that everyone who attends berkeley is a dope smoker hippie? wow.

[r2romix]

1:40 to 1:48

WTF!?!?!

[2hunt]

shoot these stupid fucks if they took economic, classes theyd knoow their state is broke from PROGRESSIVE agendas wich berkley aspouses its funny

[bayleyasher]

yes, Cal students should take tips on economics from the guy who can't spell.

[thereallurker]

damn dope smokers if they just stop buying dope, they'd have enough money for school

[Neverender78]

The students are protesting the massive cutbacks in student programs and oppressive fee hikes for students being imposed by the University of California. Protests are occurring on all campuses.

[ForFerne]

How about someone posting a blurb about what's going on? Why the protest? What line are they holding?

[jlerot076]

take off that red shirt

[aznfootwork]

"get your hand off the barricade" wat a dick.

[politicaldebauchery]

they are all dicks for protesting something that is inevitably going to happen, and nothing can be done to reverse it. Ha!

[silvermediastudio]

@aznfootwork Hand on the barricade is one step away from pushing the barricade over. You're an idiot.

[victrymueller]

when was this? what time? I left campus at 10:30

[justinslee]

i believe it was right after 1pm

[bryan05s]

eight six seven five three oh nine, jenny was a friend of mine