Well I guess this goes both ways: Rights taken by the Mayority from the Minority = Prop 8. Rights taken by the Minority from the Mayority = SR48. The endless politican merry-go-round. 1 should be able to marry whoever they wan't & not be mandated to take something thats not in the same page to 1s families morals/values. So. both sides of the coin can kiss my butt.
@Rockioe man your stupid , Eden Regel is complete opposite of Casey Anthony, Eden repersents the beauty of the world , love of family , and equality. While Casey repersents the hatred and evil world , and the destruction of life. They are complete opposites like good and evil, ying and yang, black and white, day and night.
@Rockioe i never said i was, i just said your stupid, and no shes not deceived, she is living in the real world with rest of us who know its the twenty-first centaury, unlike you whos does whatever that man-made imaginary fairy-tale book tells you to do
@sunshine79768 You'll see just how imaginary fairy-tale book the Bible is when you stand before the Holy Court of God when you die. Heb. 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment...
The F4 tornado in Joplin MO May 23, 2011 that caused immense destruction will look like a breeze in comparison...
@mermaidsareppl222 When was the day in your life when you believed the lie? Satan whispers into your ear, "don't believe God's WORD because Ha ha ha ha you're mine".
Trust me if GOD's WORD wasn't true I would not waste my time coming against sinful lifestyles on the inter net. Just hoping that one person's eyes are open to the truth. The devil loses one more person to his control.
Lastly, I would not be a believer unless JESUS WORD(The Bible) demonstrated power. Signs, wonders, miracles!!!
@mermaidsareppl222 Matthew 24:23-27 JESUS says there will be false prophets in the last days deceiving many. The guy who predicted the end of the world was a false prophet.
If he would of obeyed JESUS Words that says, in Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father" he would of saved himself a lot of trouble...
@idaman12345 You already made up your mind that you and only you are going to fight against God. You have joined allegiance with the devil...As JESUS "the prince of life" says in~~Luke 11:23 He that is not with ME is against ME...
Sorry read Revelations~~our side WINS...YES & AMEN
You are soooo ignorant about Oct. 21...If you would read the Bible there is no such date. The man is a false prophet. Please do not use that point again. I than will ask you for evidence otherwise you are a fool.
@idaman12345 Here I will help you...Go to BibleGateway(dot)com and you can research every word in the Bible. Put the date in Oct. 21, 2011 and see if it is in there.
Otherwise, you cannot bring up that date again. Why be a real fool for using false information. I trust you are smarter than that. I will wait for your reply tomorrow! Good night...
Every study says a child a natural family is the ideal environment.How do children get male & womanhood bonding available only in a natural marriage?Saying marriage is a civil right is an insult to Dr. King & Malcolm X.Sodomy is not a civil right.Dr. Robert Spitzer, who got this off the list of mental diseases in the 1980's said 2001: "I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted but sexual orientation could not be changed. I now believe that's untrue some people can and do change"
@BlackRepublican2010 Is that so. I must be doing really good for some one raised by two woman. I make 6 figures. w00t. If my dad had raised my I probably would have ended up like him. Some one with little practical knowledge outside of Military Law Enforcement.
stupid. some bimbo talking to imaginary bitches.....wtf. This is the mentality that is driving the need for prop8. As if movie stars r not screwed up from hollywood, and have a clue about self control. Don't get brainwashed by some chick with big hooters telling you that its ok to be gay. She is clueless and doesnt understand what "majority" means
@notxxr who told you it wasn't??? Last I checked the bible doesn't say anything about being gay, at all!!! but i mean its been re-written, re-versed, edited, and altered to suit everyones wants, needs, and beliefs, so i'm sure in your version its in there somewhere!
@kAyJay020711 Stick to the King James. Have u read the Bible? Every Bible is anti gay, regardless of the version, of this there is no question. If you want to know were it is spelled out, let me know. The reason homosexuals have such a problem with Christianity is because God specifically tells us not to pursue same sex relationships, and therein lies the conflict. Nobody wants to hear "thou shalt not"....
@notxxr When you can give me references, then I will look it up and debunk it using other parts of your book. There are many versions of the bible. and the most accurate LEAST re-written version isn't yours. There is no proof. Everything that is brought to the table as proof, is deemed not accurate or a blatant lie. The hatred that you have towards a society that you CAN NOT change amazes me! I Would like to hear of how your personal "faith" of an existing being is proof beyond a ...
@kAyJay020711 U claim to have proof of the nonexistence of God? I would say the most obvious proof of his existence is .... you. How did u come to be? DNA is not by chance, nor are u. Love indeed is the greatest of all, for God so loved the world that he gave his only son.... John 3:16. Ih8not and truly enjoy ur ideas. God gave us certain rules to live by, some of us believe, many don't. I just don't buy into the hollywood mentality of genderless love when hw try's to make apostasy cool.
@notxxr reasonable doubt to be real.. Regardless of all the PROOF that we have in place of him/her/it not being there. I do how ever know why the churches and religions are there. I have my own bias opinion, but the big picture is to love, forgive, welcome, share and be peaceful with EVERYONE!! Not just the ones that you think you like, or that are like you. Gang members that are also shun by society have the same beliefs as you when you break it all down the the real meaning of how ur living
@notxxr Let the person with no sin cast the first stone... Give me a break, you are trying to throw boulders when you know yourself that you are not sin free. I will not judge you but, I will disagree with everything your saying until you can show me real proof. Not just a story from your book that you apparently cannot reference. if I was to tell you I'm sorry right now for upsetting you because of our difference in opinion, would you forgive me?
@notxxr If I was to go to your church with you on sunday with an open mind, would you introduce me as new member of you church? What if I was gay, and I brought my GF with me how would that turn out for us? Would we be welcome as one of gods children?
I would not invite you to any event with me, not because I think your a bad person, but because of your strong opinion. My friends and family would debate with you until you couldn't debate any more, then they would keep going. Using references.
@kAyJay020711 Hmm interesting argument. A "member" of a church is different from someone who "goes" to church. While many gay people attend various churches, the lack of conscience for such lewd behaviour escapes me. U wish ref about homosexuality? Gen 19:5 Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 Rom 1:26-27. There are more, but these will get u thinking about the subject. God certainly considers homosexuality an "abomination". Truth is not relative, God is truth and anything contrary to that is suspect
@notxxr Well God is truth but he didn't create the bible, he created the 14 billion year old ever evolving universe. Since the universe is Gods one true creation we should look at the world around us and learn from that. Not a two thousand year old game of broken telephone. If you get right down to it Christianity brakes the first commandment. People who hate believe in the Bible or the Church, not God's infinite love, go figure...
@ManicPandaz God didnt create the Bible? That is more insane than you saying the universe is 14 bill yrs old. How did you come to reason that God even made the universe if you dont believe his written word? Again u r someone else who says God is "wrong" to judge his creation. Make no mistake, homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord and your arguments against His word will come to nothing. sorry
@notxxr Your right the universe is 13.7 billion years old, sorry.The Bible was created by humans but inspired by God. There is God's truth in the Bible, to forgive, be kind, try to understand and love people you've been told to hate. It was written by several people a long time ago.Plus it has been altered, Gospels taken away(gnostic) and others added some of the much much later. Let alone all of the translations, like the Nicene Creed for example. I know God created the Universe, not the Bible.
@notxxr This is the metaphor I like to use to think about God... God is pure white light. As humans we are prisms and the world around us is a metaphoric wall. We take God's light and refract it into colors. Our light shines on the wall and we say "its blue so God must be blue". Someone else see their light and says "NO! I see green, God is green!". Basically God is all colors, we need to share and understand more than just our own little piece of the wall to know God.
@ManicPandaz This is why God gave humankind the Bible. So that we can see through all the bs and know His will. Gods written word is not of private interpretation to anyone, and is very clear on this subject. But you know what really matters, its not if your gay or straight, but that you trust in JESUS the Son of God. All (very much including me) have fallen short of the glory of God and JESUS is the only answer. peace
@mermaidsareppl222 Truth is absolute. If God did not give us the Bible, then it is a lie. If God did give us the Bible, then prepare for the coming wrath. I simply choose to wash my many considerable sins away with the Love of Jesus. That is all that matters, nothing else.
@notxxr yeah, cause that statement has "god" written all over it! IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT WATCH IT!!! dont read about it, just like people who don't want to have anything to do with your religion, DON'T GO TO YOUR CHURCH!!! i'm sure there isn't a bunch of homosexuals protesting outside your church, so how about you give them the same courtesy they give you, and leave them alone.
@kAyJay020711 What do you know about God? Do you take his longsuffering as proof of nonexistance? Since he hasn't struck all the "evil doers" with lightning, is he powerless? As you consider him a myth, does he not exist? Its hard not to watch the train wreck happening right before my eyes. Impossible not to read about it, cause its everywhere. This video is stupid, hollywood doesnt know anything about selfcontrol, and we will soon see if the majority gets its way. ;)
@notxxr "I am always amazed at how the Bible, that portrays my Lord embracing the outcasts, touching the lepers, welcoming the Samaritans, not judging the woman taken in the act of adultery, and inviting 'all of ye,' not 'some of ye,' to 'come unto me,' can, in the hands of a few distorted people be turned into a book of hatred, violence and judgment." (1 Ref.)
@notxxr Ref. J.S. Spong, "Dallas, Texas: A new vision," A new Christianity for a new world, 2006-OCT-18. Bishop Spong described an event at a gay pride parade where "... a group of Bible-wielding counter demonstrators ... with voices screaming and faces contorted by anger promised us the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah."
@kAyJay020711 Iam amazed the "ministers" like spong, who said "I am amazed that given the knowledge revolution of the last 600 years, anyone could still regard the Bible as the dictated word of God, inerrant and eternal." can claim to be men of God and doubt his Holy Word. There is no compromise with the word of God. Spong considers his view on sexuality "modern" and "inspired" while the church simply got it wrong. I would consider spong the worst kind of "Christian", corrupt and "souled out"
@notxxr Because of your inability to separate reality from your fictitious story book, I will give you references (as I have asked you for, but yet to receive. Para and line) I would like you to explain to me exactly what santa clause has to do with god? what does a egg laying bunny rabbit have to do with god? What about april fools? do you even know why that day even exists? What about OUR other planets in OUR solar system? God or your Prophets say nothing of these.
@kAyJay020711 Ur views are as biased as mine, u consider the Bible fiction? Why when it has been historically accurate? A recent prophecy being, creation of the state of Israel in a day. Isaiah 66:7-8 fulfilled in 1948. santa has nothing to do with God nor do easter rabbits. They serve the purpose of diverting attention away from the true cause of celebration, the birth and death of Jesus. Other planets? Gen 1:1....God created the heavens and the earth, and Gen 1:14. U have interesting views
@notxxr My views are no where near as biased as yours, simply because I open my mind up to the possibility of god, but want proof. I have not been given such proof so I don't believe. (because there is nothing physically proving that it happened or that the man in your book ever existed, with the power you believe he does) I'm going to break down my questions for you... When I say go to your church I mean become a member, so If my girlfriend and I were to go to your church would we be accepted..
@kAyJay020711 How does one prove the existence of the Almighty? I would say how did we get here? It (life) is too complicated to arrive by chance. Life cannot start with the presence of oxygen, cause it oxidizes, and it cannot start without it, cause it is a fundamental. There are a great many evidences for the life by intelligent design argument. Iam not an expert by any means, just using common sense. Would you be accepted as a practicing homosexual member in my church? I would say....
@notxxr for who we are? in your "expert" opinion what would god have to say about the way I live my life even though he is supposed to accept all of his children? As far as santa and the easter bunny are concerned, I want to know what there correlation to those holidays do they have? Why do I get presents for the birth of christ? why do I go "hunt" eggs for easter, for his resurrection? The reason I say I would never invite you to any event of mine is because of how closed minded your are...
@kAyJay020711 ....No. Does this offend you? Did you see my references to Gods view on homosexuality in the Bible? God will not stand for sin, which is why he sent Christ to earth. God has judged sin, through the death of Jesus on the cross, for all of mankind. For us to be free of the wrath of God, we must accept Christ' sacrifice. I said the easter bunny and such are designed to "take away" from the true meaning of the event. The world does not want u knowing about God and his love
@notxxr to the way my family/ friends and I believe. If you could open your mind and accept the possibility that god didn't have anything to do with out existence, (just as my family/friends have accepted the opposite) you would have no problem.
There is nothing in the bible about our universe, not just our planet, but the entire universe. And other universes.... Absolutely nothing... If he created and it, it exists and we know about it then it should be in the bible......
@kAyJay020711 Interesting line of thought.... deny myself the possibility of God and his love and have no problem. Check this out Hebrews 10:29. If God didn't create all, then to what purpose is anything? Why not steal, if I can get away with it? Why not commit adultery, if I can get away with it? Why not deny my conscience? Did you see my references for the universe and heavens in Genesis? I truly enjoy your dialogue. Please don't mistake my determination as arrogance or hate
@notxxr to some people simple decency would result in the Judicial murder of Homosexuals in the name of the bible, see uganda and AFA. The bigger the buffer that can be created to prevent that the better. Besides the majority has shifted into favor of accepting gays. IMHO government should not be enchoraging marriages. let the churches do those. Legally Couples should be under a gender neutral system that gives families, of any type, the same rights.
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STrip the rights of the minority???? since when is marriage between gays a RIGHT??? NEVER.... Marriage is between man and women and you call it hate when people disagree with changing the deffinition of marriage. It is not a right to be able to marry whatever you want. I cant marry a lightpole or a cat. Thats not a right. Its not hating gays to stand up for maintaining the real deffinition of marriage. Silly silly arguement. DOnt hate on the people who are using their freedom to disagree. :)
Oh my god, I love this! This is the first "Imaginary Bitches" I've ever seen, not only do I support the cause but I love how the people that you talk to that we can't see make you sound sane because they're crazy. Did that make any sense?
@vicorii okay look here I was raise without a father figure my enitre life. The fact you think people need both parents is stupid. Infact I am a better person because I know what it's like to have a single parent working hard to love and take care of you. I can tell from the way you think, you have had both parents in your life. Other wise you wouldn't be saying such stupid and ignorant thing
You know in Sweden they just did a huge study on single parent families and found that the children raised in single parent families are over twice as likely to be hospitalized for serious mental illness?
Multiple studies and govt collected statistics have confirmed that children raised in fatherless homes are significantly more likely to drink, smoke, use drugs, abuse their partners, be abused physically or sexually, etc.
So I wouldn't be too quick to throw "single parenting" as a choice.
@chemikatie954 Considering that Sweden is one of the most gay friendly countries in the world, I wouldn't advise "vicorii" to move here.
Furthermore I'd like to see for myself this study they speak of. It could be that single parents (particularly mothers) struggle more financially, and therefore end up living a rougher life overall. I could also be that they have a hard time devoting enough time to their child if they have to take care of everything else on their own.
Gay "rights" relies on blurring the distinction between legitimate adoption - which is about finding the best possible home for a child - with some gay "right" to have equal access to the supply of children (reducing children to a consumer experience to be purchased) or the right to "make" children (reducing the child's lineage to nothing more than being the paid-for son or daughter of a purchased body - which is NOT in a kid's interest, nor is it healthy re: self esteem)
You only got the first right correct, as the rest would make single parents gay or straight undesirable or not good enough? Lol are you serious? Your last statement is just a false, as the large amount of children in foster care are the result of straight people. And your statement about it seeming like a purchase would be more likely targeted a straight couples as not that many foster places allow gay adoption. And again you miss that fact that real families come in all shapes & sizes
@MrSinister84 Single parents who are "single by choice" are guilty of exactly what I accuse gays of being guilty of.
But I believe, to try to do the right thing and fail, is not the same as choosing to do the wrong thing.
However the fact that so many divorced and never-wed parents are not in contact with their children, is an urgent problem that is being recognized as one with grave negative societal and personal consequences.
@vicorii Oh whatever. Speak for yourself, stop putting words in the mouths of all these victims you keep implying exist. (OR all the gay people you keep implying are just trying to adopt kids for selfish reasons.)
My family didn't fall apart for lack of equal male/female input when my dad left. Things were FINE. Because a family's success doesn't depend on trivial shit like gender and DNA-relationships. It depends on the people, their character, their love, their will, their choices.
@GuacamoleKun You are welcome to believe that your family was not harmed by your father's abandonment.
We cannot know if that is true, or if you are still in the grips of grief issues. Part of parent-loss (and grief in general) is denial. That is why anecdotal evidence is inadequate.
Just as the testimony of a single gay person who claims to have been cured is not adequate to establish anything on behalf of ALL gays, same as a single person claiming that parent-loss is not really a grief.
@vicorii The fact remains that there AREN'T ENOUGH straight parents willing to adopt. Why leave kids in a system we KNOW fails frequently instead of giving gay parents a chance??? IT MIGHT ACTUALLY WORK.
@GuacamoleKun Children are not for experimenting on.
This is the difference between people who use ethical assumptions vs. people who use scientific assumptions.
Science assumes the goal is to collect knowledge. The only human rights safeguards it recognizes are the ones imposed from outside the system. Science has ongoing problems with human rights abuses - because Ockham's razor (and other scientific assumptions) are appropriate for doing research, but NOT for ethical parenting decisions.
@vicorii You're right, it's ethically very questionable to run life-changing experiments on humans, aaaaand, that would definitely be a reason to pause if this was completely unknown territory, but HEY, science has already started happening for us. There are already many people in the world who grew up with gay parents AND many people who grew up with single parents, and most of the ones I know, at least, love their parents and live stable lives.
@GuacamoleKun The experiments that "prove" that growing up with gay parents "does no harm" are:
1. methodologically flawed
2. GIGO - "garbage in, garbage out" - ask irrelevant, straw man questions and avoid the questions related to issues known to be problems for motherless, fatherless, adopted, & parent-loss children
3. results are conspicuously at odds with less biased studies
So - sorry - all I see when I look at those studies, is that gay parents are using their kids unethically.
@vicorii Homosexuality is a natural development that ensures a community keeps its population under control and provides for the children left behind by straight couples. It is both a check and balance in population and resources and to add extra helping hands in both motherly and caring and game hunting aspects. Gay parents take care of their children just like any other parents, parent, etc. This is nothing new to humans and we can handle it.
Single parents by choice guilty? lol who made you judge lol Just because they don't fit your perfect married quota of what you consider the only way to raise kids. lol News flash REAL families come in all shapes and sizes, whether its straight, gay, married or single, adoptive parents or family members, all that matters is that kids are raised with love and care. What about kids that come out gay, and your perfect family quota disowns them or kicks them out? That really is a problem.
SCOTUS has already ruled more than once that having the right to marry does not mean making marriage whatever you want it to mean. See Nelson vs. Baker, or polygamy laws.
I don't dispute your right to choose your own life-partner, or have your partner recognized as such.
I only dispute your access to the procreative benefits of marriage, and that a union based on recreational sex is "the same in kind" as a real family.
Didn't this dumb bitch play a dyke in a soap opera once? She obviously is obsessed w/ homosexuals. She must be one, or she's just trying to get publicity due to her dying career like Kathy Griffin. LOL!
how dare people not vote for sodom and gomorrah, men who want to put there penis in other mens butts should be able to do so and we should teach our kids thats acceptable. who cares that god says-->
1 cor 6:9-10, Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders will inherit the kingdom of God.
whats god know? hes to close minded, im openminded and say do what feels good and pretend god dont exsist and youll be fine
Lol there's more to being gay than "put there penis in other mens butts", and you do teach your kids to, as you would put it, put there penis in a vagina even in school, you going to follow these quotes too.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
@MrSinister84 deut 13:6, is saying if others try to lead you from the only one those the way to heaven. dont hang around them and leave them, its better to forsake someone then to burn in hell.
jesus says if your eye offends you pluck it out, what he ment by that is if your having issues in an area get that area delt with before it causes the whole body to die
In that verses has the word death, "13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people"
Good thing I don't blindly follow a book that wasn't written by god nor even jesus, then expect others to follow it as well, even thou mine isn't the only religion nor can be proven truer than the rest.
@MrSinister84 Yes, there's more to being gay then (sex).
There's pretending that you and your lover are the same as a regular couple.
WHY do you need to do that?
WHY do you need to take some kid and make it act like your pet, and make it pretend he's happy to "have two daddies" & doesn't mind not being allowed to ask about his missing mother?
Why does it have to be about lies and misrepresentation? Why can't you just accept what you ARE not demand some right to pretend to be what you're NOT?
Why isn't a gay couple and straight couple the same? Besides sex. Like a pet? Straight couples have been having kids like rabbits and most of them don't take care of there kids or even love them unconditionally, just look at all the kids in adoption. Real families come in all shape's and sizes, gay or straight couples, adopted parents, single parent's or other family members. All that matters is they care and love there kids, something you failed to mention or even matter to you.
@MrSinister84 Why isn't a gay couple and a straight couple the same?
A thing called biology.
I'm sorry that nature cheated you. But forcing me - and your child - to tell a lot of lies, so that you can pretend to be what you're not, isn't a fair solution.
Just because you can't ever be kin to your lover doesn't mean kinship doesn't matter.
Just because you don't need a woman, doesn't mean your kid doesn't.
Again, sex or kinship as you call it, is the difference and the only thing that to matter to you. A thing called love. Nature did not cheat me or anyone maybe you. What are these lies that you are force to tell? I'm sorry for you but I don't pretend to be anyone for anybody. And again you fail to even mention the care and love a parent or parents of any kind have and give there children, you might have not had that which is not surprising that sex is the only thing that matters to you.
@MrSinister84 You're welcome to love whatever you want.
But you're talking about claiming legal rights, and you can't explain why you're eligible for those rights.
Why exactly does being gay mean that you "need" (let alone "deserve") the right to share baby-making benefits with someone other than the person you actually make a baby with?
What is it about being gay that justifies you claiming a right to use & exploit both your baby mama and your kid, without regard to THEIR interests?
Again all you mention is the biology in sex and making baby's but fail to include the most important thing about raising a child is love. When teenage kids and adults can easily have kids and give them up or abort them, yet that's not exploiting at all to you. There interests, are in being raised by someone who loves them and cares for them, whether its straight or gay couples, single parents or family members. What gives you the right to think your way of raising kids is the only way?
@MrSinister84 "The most important thing about raising a child is love".
And yet love is not selfish.
If you "love" someone, you don't want to take from them what they have reason to value.
If you loved your child, you'd honor your child's mother, not try to cut her out of the picture
What gays are doing is not about "love". It is about failure to appropriately separate THEIR needs and ego-desires from their child's. They assume their child wants whatever they want - that's not "loving".
Lol you act as if gays are stealing baby's out of the hands of couples, are you serious? There adopting kids who have no families, kids who want a parent or parents to take care of them and love them, that's what they value. Not if there gay or straight, a couple or single. You have described in you last paragraph something that is true in parents that are straight, that there even willing to kick there kids out if they come out gay, just because of there beliefs, that's not "loving".
@MrSinister84 Children have the right to a relationship with their real parents, a right that only a judge can sever.
If we grant marital rights to gays, then their children will lose that right, and gays will have the right to be presumed the father of their lover's child, even as they have the "right" to not be expected to honor the obligation that goes with it (to not have babies with people outside the family).
Even adopted children should not be forced to live a lie.
I agree they do, if they want and if there parents weren't abusive towards them, which is one of the main reasons kids end up in foster care. What I don't understand is why you single out gay foster parents? As your argument would make more sense if it was targeted at ALL FOSTER PARENTS gay or straight. Most surrogate mothers do and some don't want a relationship with the child. That is up to the surrogate and father to decide. Again parents come in all shapes and sizes.
I am saying that children have rights, and it bothers me that "gay rights" advocates are suggesting that the "civil rights" of gays justifies depriving children of rights that other children have.
Equality under the law isn't just for gays, but for children too.
Gay marriage is based on minimizing the importance of same-sex and opp-sex parents, as if they were interchangeable. They're not, and it IS relevant.
Yes you are as you constantly mention GAY foster parents instead of foster parents. What children rights are being deprived? Most foster kids come from abuse parents which are straight, or couple's that did not want to take care of the child, that's why there in foster care to begin with. REAL FAMILIES come in all shapes and sizes, straight or gay, a couple or single or other family members. Just because you prefer you standard one mom one dad family only is ridiculous.
1. the right to have custody decisions made with the child's welfare as THE priority.
Gay "rights" is in conflict with this, by arguing that it is wrong to treat gay couples as less desirable than male-female couples, in the act of making and sustaining family - in other words, gay rights requires that we force the child to pretend that having two male parents is as good as having a mom and a dad, even though this is demonstrably false.
i wish people would realize minorities are slowly gaining more rights than the average citizen.. is it so hard for a gay person or a vegetarian to go through life without telling anyone they are gay or a vegitarian? when they do finally say something its as if they deserve some sort of pat on the back for it.. your a person just like everyone else, you dont deserve a pat on the back for being equal but different.
@kh0dez Being gay is something that you, well, BE. They technically don't deserve a pat on the back, but they don't GET pats on their backs for it. What they do get pats on their backs for is for being brave enough to tell the truth about themselves, even when it's something people would not like to hear.
Wow, you can't even reply with some intelligent or meaningful debate about the topic, all you just say is "you didn't end it" like a child, when that debate ended a while ago.
What truth? If I you call butting in to a debate with insightful conversation and debate then yes, where you have not added nothing, just to restart a debate that ended a while ago and had nothing to do with you or at least you could have added something to it besides "you didn't". If that is all you can add, why even bother.
You were the one claiming I butted in first, and at least I had more to say then just "you didn't stop first" I was having a real debate with him. I did stop long ago and only continued because he did as I said in my comment. And if you are going to but in at least add something intelligent to say to the conversation.
Excuse you, but all my comments were with either ccik09 or bluebronx2000, the only one butting in is you, that's the only point that your avoiding and being a hypocrite.
Lol, who asked you? And I didn't think after saying something as uneducated as like fairness is not the same as sameness he would actually reply back.
i don't like it when people compare prop 8 to the black civil rights movement. black people back then were lynched, murdered, beaten and attacked almost every day, so how can one possibly compare that issue to this issue?
No one is saying the two are the same but what is the same is the bigotry and BS religion used to defend it. People are killed for being gay in the middle east as its a capital punishment and even africa whats to do the same, which is surprising to me because after what they've been through I would've have thought they would be more understanding towards a minority. It is a civil right issue because prop 8 sole purpose is to make sure gays don't marry without providing any real proof.
MANY people say that the two are the same. and when it comes to all that other stuff you said, i'm not going to start arguing with you again when you're obviously not gonna open your mind to anyone else's opinion, but all i'm saying is that i disagree whenever anyone says that "gay is the new black"
Well I guess when you can't disprove a statement backed by real facts all you can do is say nothing about it because it's true, you can even look it up, which I doubt you have an open mind to it, but you wish others to have towards your statements, how fair lol. I'm not even arguing but I guess your are. And like I said before they are not the same but the same bigotry and religious BS that people used back then is the same now, and the fact that it is a civil rights issue.
this isn't a civil rights issue. black people weren't allowed to do things that EVERYONE was free to do. and now gay people are complaining that they should be allowed to do something that was ORIGINALLY MADE FOR A MAN AND WOMAN. and it's not like they still can't be happy together, they have domestic partnerships
It was ORIGINALLY A LEGAL CONTRACT for men and kings so to acquire land and power with no regard to love, age of consent, and even in some cases included polygamy. In a governmental sense all marriages gay and straight should be called domestic partnerships and it should be called marriage by personal choice and religion to be fair. Your response would seem like telling someone they cannot sit in front of the bus but they still can sit in the back making it fair only to your view.
marriage and domestic partnerships CANNOT be compared to sitting in the front and back of a bus. the california law even says that domestic partnerships shall have the same rights to protection and fairness as marriages. how is that comparable to being forced to sit at the back of the bus?
If it were truly fair they would not have different names, "almost" like having different bathrooms for colored people, while both rest rooms have the same things they are obliviously not the same. Like I said, I think all marriages gay and straight should be considered and called domestic partnerships in a legal and governmental seance to be fair with both not just straight people and to avoid any problems with religions and church's as they should not be in governmental issues.
boy scouts and girl scouts have different names, but that's still fair, right? and honestly, marriage has a bigger influence in society, and for many cultures/religions, marriage is a deep, spiritual issue. domestic partnerships may not have as much impact on the society, but nonetheless, it's still fair for gay couples.
Like I said, you think domestic partnerships are the same yet when I suggest that in that case all marriages should be called and recognized as domestic partnerships to be fair, they don't seem the same to you? Gay marriage is a equally deep and spiritual to gays. How does it have a big impact and influence? If that were true we would not have such a high divorce rate.
i never said marriages and domestic partnerships were the same. i said they were fair, and they are, but they're not the same things. THAT'S why they have different names. Sure, i'll admit there are some differences, but not big enough differences to have a need to re-define marriage and teach future generations things that are against their older generations' beliefs.
Then if there not the same, then they really aren't that fair to being with. We also taught future generation into raciest views early on in history which were installed by their older generations' beliefs in till we came to use our heads and see how wrong it was and lack of logic behind it. Like I said if domestic partner ship is fair for other people to have then its fair enough for everyone, and the only way is to have it for both gay and straight people, to be fair.
"Then if there not the same, then they really aren't that fair to begin with."
do you honestly think being treated fairly means being treated the same? if that was true, kids would drive, kids would be able to drink alcohol ;etc.
The definition of fairness is NOT the definition of "sameness". domestic partnerships ARE fair. gay people say they should be able to be happy together, and THEY CAN.
"The definition of fairness is NOT the definition of "sameness"
Do you really think being treated fairly is not not the same being treated the same as everyone else?, because in any topic that would be unfair. Being fair means it has the same rights to both parties, if not it's only fair to you. If they are that fair then they are fair for straight people as well, so changing all marriages to domestic partnerships is fair, straight people can happy as well as gays.
ok look i've been looking over this whole "debate" thing, and I honestly think it's ridiculous how I've been having this "debate" over youtube comments. so believe what you want to believe, I'm gonna stop
I thought I stopped a long time ago, didn't think you would right back especially after making an arrogant comment as saying "The definition of fairness is NOT the definition of "sameness". I will leave it by saying, if domestic partnership is fair for gays, then you surely would think it's fair for both gay and straight people to have domestic partnership instead of marriage, if not then it really isn't fair to everyone, just you I guess.
Lmao.. Who wrote the "good book" then if not man? Really? We know SOO many things about history were utterly disgusting, and would never even consider repeating them, not to mention basing our entire life off of them.. But somehow an ancient book, written by really thick people governs a majority's mentality.. Bravo, because you are smart! :-)
isn't christianity suppose support good morals and tolerance etc? not positive, but i get the feeling that taking happiness away from someone and restricting their freedoms because they wanted to express themselves in a way that was uncomfortable to u, is less christian that getting married to the person u love, whether they are the same sex or not... if u still feel this is unholy, then forgive them for offending u and move on. i am certain that is the christian thing to do.
look if all you guys believe that being gay isn't a choice, then whatever i'm cool with that. but my MAIN POINT was that people who support prop 8 are simply standing up for what they think is right. they're not being bigots, they're not being intolerant, they're not being haters
Please be clear… This is a Hollywood funded attack on the small town Christian people in the United States; they need to make this happen so they can advance their sexual agenda in schools, government and in our general personal lives…
What people to in their bedrooms it their business, it’s between them and their God… I don’t need it in my house, TV, books, radio or government…
@AnarchisticAttitude if kids are taught that gay marriage is OK in school, there will be a lot of conflict between the schools and parents who want to raise their kids teaching them their own beliefs
@ccik09 because of the bigotted behavior of said parents? seems more along the lines of an issue in the parents thought process then a viable problem. whatever happened to live and let live?
@AnarchisticAttitude All I'm saying is that allowing gay marriage will, in fact, affect straight people, whether the person has "bigotted behavior" or not
@ccik09 no it honestly wont affect straight people in anyway shape or form it wont make anyone turn gay that wasnt already, the nly reason one should have a problem with it is if one exhibits bigotted behavior towards homosexuals. which honestly if you do you need to do some cerious thinkin on your own maturity
@ccik09 honestly if a childs going to be gay them learning that its okay isnt going to affect that in anyway if a kids going to be straight learning homosexuality is okay wont make him gay. just as if a kids going to be gay learning it's not okay isnt going to make a difference so in essence it is quite bigotted
@AnarchisticAttitude how is that bigoted? bigoted means to be extremely intolerant of something, and I don't see how preserving traditional marriage is intolerance
and also, i'm talking about parents that want to teach their kids that gay marriage is NOT the equivalent of traditional marriage. it's fine if you disagree with them, but they're not being BIGOTED it's just what they believe
@ccik09 to be bigotted is to be intolent of something to poit of interferring with it now if parents want to teach their kids whatever thats their issue it should not however stop gays from getting married as one persons religion should NOT affect public law infact no religion sould have any effect on public law (sorry for any typos my computer and my keyboard are acting verys strangely)
Isn't Barack Obama against same sex marriage?
firstperson760 5 months ago
@firstperson760 Isn't the pope black?
Rockioe 5 months ago
Well I guess this goes both ways: Rights taken by the Mayority from the Minority = Prop 8. Rights taken by the Minority from the Mayority = SR48. The endless politican merry-go-round. 1 should be able to marry whoever they wan't & not be mandated to take something thats not in the same page to 1s families morals/values. So. both sides of the coin can kiss my butt.
ImperialGenKlenner 6 months ago
@ImperialGenKlenner Go marry a fence post cause it has the same IQ as your argument
notxxr 2 months ago
Show your tits or shut the fuck up!!
onebadgs400 6 months ago
I could care less about your imaginary friends. They are just as deceived as you are. You sooooo remind me of Casey Anthony.
Rockioe 6 months ago
@Rockioe man your stupid , Eden Regel is complete opposite of Casey Anthony, Eden repersents the beauty of the world , love of family , and equality. While Casey repersents the hatred and evil world , and the destruction of life. They are complete opposites like good and evil, ying and yang, black and white, day and night.
sunshine79768 6 months ago
@sunshine79768 And your smart? By what definition?
Eden is just as deceived as Casey Anthony is. Just the subject matter is different
Rockioe 6 months ago
@Rockioe i never said i was, i just said your stupid, and no shes not deceived, she is living in the real world with rest of us who know its the twenty-first centaury, unlike you whos does whatever that man-made imaginary fairy-tale book tells you to do
sunshine79768 6 months ago
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@sunshine79768 You'll see just how imaginary fairy-tale book the Bible is when you stand before the Holy Court of God when you die. Heb. 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment...
The F4 tornado in Joplin MO May 23, 2011 that caused immense destruction will look like a breeze in comparison...
Rockioe 6 months ago
@Rockioe there has never been a "holy court of god" and no one knows what happens when you die, but there is no god
mermaidsareppl222 6 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 When was the day in your life when you believed the lie? Satan whispers into your ear, "don't believe God's WORD because Ha ha ha ha you're mine".
Trust me if GOD's WORD wasn't true I would not waste my time coming against sinful lifestyles on the inter net. Just hoping that one person's eyes are open to the truth. The devil loses one more person to his control.
Lastly, I would not be a believer unless JESUS WORD(The Bible) demonstrated power. Signs, wonders, miracles!!!
Rockioe 6 months ago
@Rockioe the buybull is a joke
and your a believer because either
a) your weak minded
or b) you were brainwashed at an early age
judgement day is on october 21st
just like it was on may 21st
and just like it will be the next time
proving that the buybull is a joke
mermaidsareppl222 6 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 Matthew 24:23-27 JESUS says there will be false prophets in the last days deceiving many. The guy who predicted the end of the world was a false prophet.
If he would of obeyed JESUS Words that says, in Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father" he would of saved himself a lot of trouble...
Rockioe 6 months ago
@Rockioe funny how you religitards always seem to be debunking him AFTER the fact that he made religion out to be what it is
a sham
better get ready for october 21st
idaman12345 6 months ago
@idaman12345 You hate God and you mock him...Please read the comment that I sent to @mermaidsareppl222...
YOUR JUDGMENT DAY IS COMING...In comparison to eternity it will be here sooner than you think...
Rockioe 6 months ago
@Rockioe its coming October21st
Better get ready
idaman12345 6 months ago
@idaman12345 You already made up your mind that you and only you are going to fight against God. You have joined allegiance with the devil...As JESUS "the prince of life" says in~~Luke 11:23 He that is not with ME is against ME...
Sorry read Revelations~~our side WINS...YES & AMEN
You are soooo ignorant about Oct. 21...If you would read the Bible there is no such date. The man is a false prophet. Please do not use that point again. I than will ask you for evidence otherwise you are a fool.
Rockioe 6 months ago
@Rockioe i have given you evidence
you reject it because i am right
better get ready "judgement day" is coming october 21st
and then the one after that, and the one after that....
idaman12345 6 months ago
@idaman12345 Alright you have give me the challenge. I tried to warn you so that your argument would not make you be a fool.
I want you to come up where in the Bible that Oct. 21st is the last day(end of the world as we know it) within 4 hours of this posting...
Keep in mind that in the event that you don't come up with documentation you are a FOOL!!!
Rockioe 6 months ago
@Rockioe that pastor claims he used the buybull to predict that date
as he did for may 21st
i dont have a buybull handy (since it is not allowed in my house) so i cannot say for certain
idaman12345 6 months ago
@idaman12345 Here I will help you...Go to BibleGateway(dot)com and you can research every word in the Bible. Put the date in Oct. 21, 2011 and see if it is in there.
Otherwise, you cannot bring up that date again. Why be a real fool for using false information. I trust you are smarter than that. I will wait for your reply tomorrow! Good night...
Rockioe 6 months ago
Irony, making a video for gay rights in order to get heterosexual sex.
carneycam17 7 months ago
Banning marriage altogether?
BassBOY0GIRL 8 months ago
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Every study says a child a natural family is the ideal environment.How do children get male & womanhood bonding available only in a natural marriage?Saying marriage is a civil right is an insult to Dr. King & Malcolm X.Sodomy is not a civil right.Dr. Robert Spitzer, who got this off the list of mental diseases in the 1980's said 2001: "I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted but sexual orientation could not be changed. I now believe that's untrue some people can and do change"
BlackRepublican2010 8 months ago
@BlackRepublican2010 Is that so. I must be doing really good for some one raised by two woman. I make 6 figures. w00t. If my dad had raised my I probably would have ended up like him. Some one with little practical knowledge outside of Military Law Enforcement.
Mikeyiff 7 months ago
stupid. some bimbo talking to imaginary bitches.....wtf. This is the mentality that is driving the need for prop8. As if movie stars r not screwed up from hollywood, and have a clue about self control. Don't get brainwashed by some chick with big hooters telling you that its ok to be gay. She is clueless and doesnt understand what "majority" means
notxxr 9 months ago
@notxxr you cant brainwash someone with the truth
however you can be brainwashed to believe that its not ok to be gay
mermaidsareppl222 8 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 Who told u it was ok to be gay? Consider the source.
notxxr 8 months ago
@notxxr who told you it wasn't??? Last I checked the bible doesn't say anything about being gay, at all!!! but i mean its been re-written, re-versed, edited, and altered to suit everyones wants, needs, and beliefs, so i'm sure in your version its in there somewhere!
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@kAyJay020711 Stick to the King James. Have u read the Bible? Every Bible is anti gay, regardless of the version, of this there is no question. If you want to know were it is spelled out, let me know. The reason homosexuals have such a problem with Christianity is because God specifically tells us not to pursue same sex relationships, and therein lies the conflict. Nobody wants to hear "thou shalt not"....
notxxr 7 months ago
@notxxr When you can give me references, then I will look it up and debunk it using other parts of your book. There are many versions of the bible. and the most accurate LEAST re-written version isn't yours. There is no proof. Everything that is brought to the table as proof, is deemed not accurate or a blatant lie. The hatred that you have towards a society that you CAN NOT change amazes me! I Would like to hear of how your personal "faith" of an existing being is proof beyond a ...
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@kAyJay020711 U claim to have proof of the nonexistence of God? I would say the most obvious proof of his existence is .... you. How did u come to be? DNA is not by chance, nor are u. Love indeed is the greatest of all, for God so loved the world that he gave his only son.... John 3:16. Ih8not and truly enjoy ur ideas. God gave us certain rules to live by, some of us believe, many don't. I just don't buy into the hollywood mentality of genderless love when hw try's to make apostasy cool.
notxxr 7 months ago
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@notxxr there is no evidence therefore it is not real
MamaMario13 7 months ago
@notxxr reasonable doubt to be real.. Regardless of all the PROOF that we have in place of him/her/it not being there. I do how ever know why the churches and religions are there. I have my own bias opinion, but the big picture is to love, forgive, welcome, share and be peaceful with EVERYONE!! Not just the ones that you think you like, or that are like you. Gang members that are also shun by society have the same beliefs as you when you break it all down the the real meaning of how ur living
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@notxxr Let the person with no sin cast the first stone... Give me a break, you are trying to throw boulders when you know yourself that you are not sin free. I will not judge you but, I will disagree with everything your saying until you can show me real proof. Not just a story from your book that you apparently cannot reference. if I was to tell you I'm sorry right now for upsetting you because of our difference in opinion, would you forgive me?
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
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kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@notxxr If I was to go to your church with you on sunday with an open mind, would you introduce me as new member of you church? What if I was gay, and I brought my GF with me how would that turn out for us? Would we be welcome as one of gods children?
I would not invite you to any event with me, not because I think your a bad person, but because of your strong opinion. My friends and family would debate with you until you couldn't debate any more, then they would keep going. Using references.
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@kAyJay020711 Hmm interesting argument. A "member" of a church is different from someone who "goes" to church. While many gay people attend various churches, the lack of conscience for such lewd behaviour escapes me. U wish ref about homosexuality? Gen 19:5 Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 Rom 1:26-27. There are more, but these will get u thinking about the subject. God certainly considers homosexuality an "abomination". Truth is not relative, God is truth and anything contrary to that is suspect
notxxr 7 months ago
@notxxr Well God is truth but he didn't create the bible, he created the 14 billion year old ever evolving universe. Since the universe is Gods one true creation we should look at the world around us and learn from that. Not a two thousand year old game of broken telephone. If you get right down to it Christianity brakes the first commandment. People who hate believe in the Bible or the Church, not God's infinite love, go figure...
ManicPandaz 3 months ago
@ManicPandaz God didnt create the Bible? That is more insane than you saying the universe is 14 bill yrs old. How did you come to reason that God even made the universe if you dont believe his written word? Again u r someone else who says God is "wrong" to judge his creation. Make no mistake, homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord and your arguments against His word will come to nothing. sorry
notxxr 2 months ago
@notxxr Your right the universe is 13.7 billion years old, sorry.The Bible was created by humans but inspired by God. There is God's truth in the Bible, to forgive, be kind, try to understand and love people you've been told to hate. It was written by several people a long time ago.Plus it has been altered, Gospels taken away(gnostic) and others added some of the much much later. Let alone all of the translations, like the Nicene Creed for example. I know God created the Universe, not the Bible.
ManicPandaz 2 months ago
@notxxr This is the metaphor I like to use to think about God... God is pure white light. As humans we are prisms and the world around us is a metaphoric wall. We take God's light and refract it into colors. Our light shines on the wall and we say "its blue so God must be blue". Someone else see their light and says "NO! I see green, God is green!". Basically God is all colors, we need to share and understand more than just our own little piece of the wall to know God.
ManicPandaz 2 months ago
@ManicPandaz This is why God gave humankind the Bible. So that we can see through all the bs and know His will. Gods written word is not of private interpretation to anyone, and is very clear on this subject. But you know what really matters, its not if your gay or straight, but that you trust in JESUS the Son of God. All (very much including me) have fallen short of the glory of God and JESUS is the only answer. peace
notxxr 2 months ago
@notxxr god didnt give mankind the bible, since it is from man
since man wrote it, not god
mermaidsareppl222 1 month ago
@mermaidsareppl222 Truth is absolute. If God did not give us the Bible, then it is a lie. If God did give us the Bible, then prepare for the coming wrath. I simply choose to wash my many considerable sins away with the Love of Jesus. That is all that matters, nothing else.
notxxr 3 weeks ago
@notxxr you choose to be simply take the easy route and allow yourself to be brainwashed
mermaidsareppl222 3 weeks ago
@mermaidsareppl222 Sure you can. It's called Education. Something that Organized religion has been trying to defeat for years now.
Mikeyiff 7 months ago
@notxxr yeah, cause that statement has "god" written all over it! IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT WATCH IT!!! dont read about it, just like people who don't want to have anything to do with your religion, DON'T GO TO YOUR CHURCH!!! i'm sure there isn't a bunch of homosexuals protesting outside your church, so how about you give them the same courtesy they give you, and leave them alone.
kAyJay020711 7 months ago 2
@kAyJay020711 What do you know about God? Do you take his longsuffering as proof of nonexistance? Since he hasn't struck all the "evil doers" with lightning, is he powerless? As you consider him a myth, does he not exist? Its hard not to watch the train wreck happening right before my eyes. Impossible not to read about it, cause its everywhere. This video is stupid, hollywood doesnt know anything about selfcontrol, and we will soon see if the majority gets its way. ;)
notxxr 7 months ago
@notxxr "I am always amazed at how the Bible, that portrays my Lord embracing the outcasts, touching the lepers, welcoming the Samaritans, not judging the woman taken in the act of adultery, and inviting 'all of ye,' not 'some of ye,' to 'come unto me,' can, in the hands of a few distorted people be turned into a book of hatred, violence and judgment." (1 Ref.)
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@notxxr Ref. J.S. Spong, "Dallas, Texas: A new vision," A new Christianity for a new world, 2006-OCT-18. Bishop Spong described an event at a gay pride parade where "... a group of Bible-wielding counter demonstrators ... with voices screaming and faces contorted by anger promised us the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah."
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@kAyJay020711 Iam amazed the "ministers" like spong, who said "I am amazed that given the knowledge revolution of the last 600 years, anyone could still regard the Bible as the dictated word of God, inerrant and eternal." can claim to be men of God and doubt his Holy Word. There is no compromise with the word of God. Spong considers his view on sexuality "modern" and "inspired" while the church simply got it wrong. I would consider spong the worst kind of "Christian", corrupt and "souled out"
notxxr 7 months ago
@notxxr Because of your inability to separate reality from your fictitious story book, I will give you references (as I have asked you for, but yet to receive. Para and line) I would like you to explain to me exactly what santa clause has to do with god? what does a egg laying bunny rabbit have to do with god? What about april fools? do you even know why that day even exists? What about OUR other planets in OUR solar system? God or your Prophets say nothing of these.
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@kAyJay020711 Ur views are as biased as mine, u consider the Bible fiction? Why when it has been historically accurate? A recent prophecy being, creation of the state of Israel in a day. Isaiah 66:7-8 fulfilled in 1948. santa has nothing to do with God nor do easter rabbits. They serve the purpose of diverting attention away from the true cause of celebration, the birth and death of Jesus. Other planets? Gen 1:1....God created the heavens and the earth, and Gen 1:14. U have interesting views
notxxr 7 months ago
@notxxr My views are no where near as biased as yours, simply because I open my mind up to the possibility of god, but want proof. I have not been given such proof so I don't believe. (because there is nothing physically proving that it happened or that the man in your book ever existed, with the power you believe he does) I'm going to break down my questions for you... When I say go to your church I mean become a member, so If my girlfriend and I were to go to your church would we be accepted..
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@kAyJay020711 How does one prove the existence of the Almighty? I would say how did we get here? It (life) is too complicated to arrive by chance. Life cannot start with the presence of oxygen, cause it oxidizes, and it cannot start without it, cause it is a fundamental. There are a great many evidences for the life by intelligent design argument. Iam not an expert by any means, just using common sense. Would you be accepted as a practicing homosexual member in my church? I would say....
notxxr 6 months ago
@notxxr for who we are? in your "expert" opinion what would god have to say about the way I live my life even though he is supposed to accept all of his children? As far as santa and the easter bunny are concerned, I want to know what there correlation to those holidays do they have? Why do I get presents for the birth of christ? why do I go "hunt" eggs for easter, for his resurrection? The reason I say I would never invite you to any event of mine is because of how closed minded your are...
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@kAyJay020711 ....No. Does this offend you? Did you see my references to Gods view on homosexuality in the Bible? God will not stand for sin, which is why he sent Christ to earth. God has judged sin, through the death of Jesus on the cross, for all of mankind. For us to be free of the wrath of God, we must accept Christ' sacrifice. I said the easter bunny and such are designed to "take away" from the true meaning of the event. The world does not want u knowing about God and his love
notxxr 6 months ago
@notxxr to the way my family/ friends and I believe. If you could open your mind and accept the possibility that god didn't have anything to do with out existence, (just as my family/friends have accepted the opposite) you would have no problem.
There is nothing in the bible about our universe, not just our planet, but the entire universe. And other universes.... Absolutely nothing... If he created and it, it exists and we know about it then it should be in the bible......
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@kAyJay020711 Interesting line of thought.... deny myself the possibility of God and his love and have no problem. Check this out Hebrews 10:29. If God didn't create all, then to what purpose is anything? Why not steal, if I can get away with it? Why not commit adultery, if I can get away with it? Why not deny my conscience? Did you see my references for the universe and heavens in Genesis? I truly enjoy your dialogue. Please don't mistake my determination as arrogance or hate
notxxr 6 months ago
@notxxr according to the way your beliefs work... please give direct answers, I won't respond anything less...
kAyJay020711 7 months ago
@notxxr Tyranny by a majority is still tyranny.
Mikeyiff 7 months ago
@Mikeyiff Who said anything about tyranny? Simple decency is what is at stake. Letting a minority run the country into the ground is madness
notxxr 7 months ago
@notxxr They made a similar argument in the 60's.
Mikeyiff 7 months ago
@notxxr to some people simple decency would result in the Judicial murder of Homosexuals in the name of the bible, see uganda and AFA. The bigger the buffer that can be created to prevent that the better. Besides the majority has shifted into favor of accepting gays. IMHO government should not be enchoraging marriages. let the churches do those. Legally Couples should be under a gender neutral system that gives families, of any type, the same rights.
Mikeyiff 7 months ago
@notxxr to clarify that is legally consenting families.
Mikeyiff 7 months ago
These days in America why would any sober man want to get married by choice?
BigBaldheadedBaby 9 months ago
Not funny.
GrandMasterFreshMpls 9 months ago
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STrip the rights of the minority???? since when is marriage between gays a RIGHT??? NEVER.... Marriage is between man and women and you call it hate when people disagree with changing the deffinition of marriage. It is not a right to be able to marry whatever you want. I cant marry a lightpole or a cat. Thats not a right. Its not hating gays to stand up for maintaining the real deffinition of marriage. Silly silly arguement. DOnt hate on the people who are using their freedom to disagree. :)
bobybob10000 10 months ago
I LOVE you, IB! As a gay dude! *SUBSCRIBES!*
Cindercheth 11 months ago
Oh my god, I love this! This is the first "Imaginary Bitches" I've ever seen, not only do I support the cause but I love how the people that you talk to that we can't see make you sound sane because they're crazy. Did that make any sense?
Imaginem11 1 year ago
@vicorii okay look here I was raise without a father figure my enitre life. The fact you think people need both parents is stupid. Infact I am a better person because I know what it's like to have a single parent working hard to love and take care of you. I can tell from the way you think, you have had both parents in your life. Other wise you wouldn't be saying such stupid and ignorant thing
vampireluvergrl12 1 year ago
You know in Sweden they just did a huge study on single parent families and found that the children raised in single parent families are over twice as likely to be hospitalized for serious mental illness?
Multiple studies and govt collected statistics have confirmed that children raised in fatherless homes are significantly more likely to drink, smoke, use drugs, abuse their partners, be abused physically or sexually, etc.
So I wouldn't be too quick to throw "single parenting" as a choice.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii
lol, gay marriage involves TWO parents, so your statistics are kind of pointless =/
Oh, and that this pertains to America, California specifically, maybe you should move to Sweden? They seem to agree with your point of view.
chemikatie954 1 year ago
@chemikatie954 Considering that Sweden is one of the most gay friendly countries in the world, I wouldn't advise "vicorii" to move here.
Furthermore I'd like to see for myself this study they speak of. It could be that single parents (particularly mothers) struggle more financially, and therefore end up living a rougher life overall. I could also be that they have a hard time devoting enough time to their child if they have to take care of everything else on their own.
SpiritDreamsInside 9 months ago
lol. Good job.
GuacamoleKun 1 year ago
Here's another one.
Gay "rights" relies on blurring the distinction between legitimate adoption - which is about finding the best possible home for a child - with some gay "right" to have equal access to the supply of children (reducing children to a consumer experience to be purchased) or the right to "make" children (reducing the child's lineage to nothing more than being the paid-for son or daughter of a purchased body - which is NOT in a kid's interest, nor is it healthy re: self esteem)
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii
You only got the first right correct, as the rest would make single parents gay or straight undesirable or not good enough? Lol are you serious? Your last statement is just a false, as the large amount of children in foster care are the result of straight people. And your statement about it seeming like a purchase would be more likely targeted a straight couples as not that many foster places allow gay adoption. And again you miss that fact that real families come in all shapes & sizes
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 Single parents who are "single by choice" are guilty of exactly what I accuse gays of being guilty of.
But I believe, to try to do the right thing and fail, is not the same as choosing to do the wrong thing.
However the fact that so many divorced and never-wed parents are not in contact with their children, is an urgent problem that is being recognized as one with grave negative societal and personal consequences.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii Oh whatever. Speak for yourself, stop putting words in the mouths of all these victims you keep implying exist. (OR all the gay people you keep implying are just trying to adopt kids for selfish reasons.)
My family didn't fall apart for lack of equal male/female input when my dad left. Things were FINE. Because a family's success doesn't depend on trivial shit like gender and DNA-relationships. It depends on the people, their character, their love, their will, their choices.
GuacamoleKun 1 year ago
@GuacamoleKun You are welcome to believe that your family was not harmed by your father's abandonment.
We cannot know if that is true, or if you are still in the grips of grief issues. Part of parent-loss (and grief in general) is denial. That is why anecdotal evidence is inadequate.
Just as the testimony of a single gay person who claims to have been cured is not adequate to establish anything on behalf of ALL gays, same as a single person claiming that parent-loss is not really a grief.
vicorii 1 year ago
@GuacamoleKun The question is not merely of "a family's success".
The law you propose relies on the idea that children are not harmed by treating parent-relationships as irrelevant.
They are not irrelevant: a parent-relationship is a thing of value.
To have a mother-relationship or father-relationship
To have a relationship with both same- and oppsex parent
To have a relationship with your real parents
All three of these are things people and society both value.
Therefore not yours to take.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii The fact remains that there AREN'T ENOUGH straight parents willing to adopt. Why leave kids in a system we KNOW fails frequently instead of giving gay parents a chance??? IT MIGHT ACTUALLY WORK.
GuacamoleKun 1 year ago
@GuacamoleKun Children are not for experimenting on.
This is the difference between people who use ethical assumptions vs. people who use scientific assumptions.
Science assumes the goal is to collect knowledge. The only human rights safeguards it recognizes are the ones imposed from outside the system. Science has ongoing problems with human rights abuses - because Ockham's razor (and other scientific assumptions) are appropriate for doing research, but NOT for ethical parenting decisions.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii You're right, it's ethically very questionable to run life-changing experiments on humans, aaaaand, that would definitely be a reason to pause if this was completely unknown territory, but HEY, science has already started happening for us. There are already many people in the world who grew up with gay parents AND many people who grew up with single parents, and most of the ones I know, at least, love their parents and live stable lives.
GuacamoleKun 1 year ago
@GuacamoleKun The experiments that "prove" that growing up with gay parents "does no harm" are:
1. methodologically flawed
2. GIGO - "garbage in, garbage out" - ask irrelevant, straw man questions and avoid the questions related to issues known to be problems for motherless, fatherless, adopted, & parent-loss children
3. results are conspicuously at odds with less biased studies
So - sorry - all I see when I look at those studies, is that gay parents are using their kids unethically.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii because thats all youve been told to see
those studies are not flawed in any way
if there were studies that were flawed, then there would be one or two that show that it does do harm
mermaidsareppl2 1 year ago
@vicorii Homosexuality is a natural development that ensures a community keeps its population under control and provides for the children left behind by straight couples. It is both a check and balance in population and resources and to add extra helping hands in both motherly and caring and game hunting aspects. Gay parents take care of their children just like any other parents, parent, etc. This is nothing new to humans and we can handle it.
WarMasterX6 11 months ago
@vicorii
Single parents by choice guilty? lol who made you judge lol Just because they don't fit your perfect married quota of what you consider the only way to raise kids. lol News flash REAL families come in all shapes and sizes, whether its straight, gay, married or single, adoptive parents or family members, all that matters is that kids are raised with love and care. What about kids that come out gay, and your perfect family quota disowns them or kicks them out? That really is a problem.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@Thomasxsuffocate What civil rights?
SCOTUS has already ruled more than once that having the right to marry does not mean making marriage whatever you want it to mean. See Nelson vs. Baker, or polygamy laws.
I don't dispute your right to choose your own life-partner, or have your partner recognized as such.
I only dispute your access to the procreative benefits of marriage, and that a union based on recreational sex is "the same in kind" as a real family.
Your "family" is built on lies.
vicorii 1 year ago
Honk if you hate marriage would conflict with my honk if you mock gays trying to redefine marriage to suit their selective ideology.
JimFromWaterford 1 year ago
If she banged me, I would have overturned it. But no, she said she wasn't into dudes. So I voted yes on 8 then yes on 19. Can't win 'em all, eh?
TheNanakDev 1 year ago
Didn't this dumb bitch play a dyke in a soap opera once? She obviously is obsessed w/ homosexuals. She must be one, or she's just trying to get publicity due to her dying career like Kathy Griffin. LOL!
whiteontarget1 1 year ago
@whiteontarget1 troll fail! meep
mewmewlova 1 year ago
how dare people not vote for sodom and gomorrah, men who want to put there penis in other mens butts should be able to do so and we should teach our kids thats acceptable. who cares that god says-->
1 cor 6:9-10, Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders will inherit the kingdom of God.
whats god know? hes to close minded, im openminded and say do what feels good and pretend god dont exsist and youll be fine
mrcooldude964 1 year ago
@mrcooldude964
Lol there's more to being gay than "put there penis in other mens butts", and you do teach your kids to, as you would put it, put there penis in a vagina even in school, you going to follow these quotes too.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Its easy to pretend since he isn't here.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 deut 13:6, is saying if others try to lead you from the only one those the way to heaven. dont hang around them and leave them, its better to forsake someone then to burn in hell.
jesus says if your eye offends you pluck it out, what he ment by that is if your having issues in an area get that area delt with before it causes the whole body to die
mrcooldude964 1 year ago
@mrcooldude964
In that verses has the word death, "13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people"
Good thing I don't blindly follow a book that wasn't written by god nor even jesus, then expect others to follow it as well, even thou mine isn't the only religion nor can be proven truer than the rest.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 Yes, there's more to being gay then (sex).
There's pretending that you and your lover are the same as a regular couple.
WHY do you need to do that?
WHY do you need to take some kid and make it act like your pet, and make it pretend he's happy to "have two daddies" & doesn't mind not being allowed to ask about his missing mother?
Why does it have to be about lies and misrepresentation? Why can't you just accept what you ARE not demand some right to pretend to be what you're NOT?
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii
Why isn't a gay couple and straight couple the same? Besides sex. Like a pet? Straight couples have been having kids like rabbits and most of them don't take care of there kids or even love them unconditionally, just look at all the kids in adoption. Real families come in all shape's and sizes, gay or straight couples, adopted parents, single parent's or other family members. All that matters is they care and love there kids, something you failed to mention or even matter to you.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 Why isn't a gay couple and a straight couple the same?
A thing called biology.
I'm sorry that nature cheated you. But forcing me - and your child - to tell a lot of lies, so that you can pretend to be what you're not, isn't a fair solution.
Just because you can't ever be kin to your lover doesn't mean kinship doesn't matter.
Just because you don't need a woman, doesn't mean your kid doesn't.
Don't live lies.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii
Again, sex or kinship as you call it, is the difference and the only thing that to matter to you. A thing called love. Nature did not cheat me or anyone maybe you. What are these lies that you are force to tell? I'm sorry for you but I don't pretend to be anyone for anybody. And again you fail to even mention the care and love a parent or parents of any kind have and give there children, you might have not had that which is not surprising that sex is the only thing that matters to you.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 You're welcome to love whatever you want.
But you're talking about claiming legal rights, and you can't explain why you're eligible for those rights.
Why exactly does being gay mean that you "need" (let alone "deserve") the right to share baby-making benefits with someone other than the person you actually make a baby with?
What is it about being gay that justifies you claiming a right to use & exploit both your baby mama and your kid, without regard to THEIR interests?
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii
Again all you mention is the biology in sex and making baby's but fail to include the most important thing about raising a child is love. When teenage kids and adults can easily have kids and give them up or abort them, yet that's not exploiting at all to you. There interests, are in being raised by someone who loves them and cares for them, whether its straight or gay couples, single parents or family members. What gives you the right to think your way of raising kids is the only way?
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 "The most important thing about raising a child is love".
And yet love is not selfish.
If you "love" someone, you don't want to take from them what they have reason to value.
If you loved your child, you'd honor your child's mother, not try to cut her out of the picture
What gays are doing is not about "love". It is about failure to appropriately separate THEIR needs and ego-desires from their child's. They assume their child wants whatever they want - that's not "loving".
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii
Lol you act as if gays are stealing baby's out of the hands of couples, are you serious? There adopting kids who have no families, kids who want a parent or parents to take care of them and love them, that's what they value. Not if there gay or straight, a couple or single. You have described in you last paragraph something that is true in parents that are straight, that there even willing to kick there kids out if they come out gay, just because of there beliefs, that's not "loving".
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 Children have the right to a relationship with their real parents, a right that only a judge can sever.
If we grant marital rights to gays, then their children will lose that right, and gays will have the right to be presumed the father of their lover's child, even as they have the "right" to not be expected to honor the obligation that goes with it (to not have babies with people outside the family).
Even adopted children should not be forced to live a lie.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii
I agree they do, if they want and if there parents weren't abusive towards them, which is one of the main reasons kids end up in foster care. What I don't understand is why you single out gay foster parents? As your argument would make more sense if it was targeted at ALL FOSTER PARENTS gay or straight. Most surrogate mothers do and some don't want a relationship with the child. That is up to the surrogate and father to decide. Again parents come in all shapes and sizes.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 I am not singling out anyone.
I am saying that children have rights, and it bothers me that "gay rights" advocates are suggesting that the "civil rights" of gays justifies depriving children of rights that other children have.
Equality under the law isn't just for gays, but for children too.
Gay marriage is based on minimizing the importance of same-sex and opp-sex parents, as if they were interchangeable. They're not, and it IS relevant.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii
Yes you are as you constantly mention GAY foster parents instead of foster parents. What children rights are being deprived? Most foster kids come from abuse parents which are straight, or couple's that did not want to take care of the child, that's why there in foster care to begin with. REAL FAMILIES come in all shapes and sizes, straight or gay, a couple or single or other family members. Just because you prefer you standard one mom one dad family only is ridiculous.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84 Children have the following rights:
1. the right to have custody decisions made with the child's welfare as THE priority.
Gay "rights" is in conflict with this, by arguing that it is wrong to treat gay couples as less desirable than male-female couples, in the act of making and sustaining family - in other words, gay rights requires that we force the child to pretend that having two male parents is as good as having a mom and a dad, even though this is demonstrably false.
vicorii 1 year ago
@mrcooldude964 theres no pretending god doesnt exist
theres knowing god doesnt exist, and pretending god does exist
idaman12345 1 year ago 17
@idaman12345 i see. hope to see you in heaven
mrcooldude964 1 year ago
@idaman12345 Well said.
george77772moons 1 year ago
@idaman12345 Wow, as a Catholic Democrat, I'm totally not alienated by these comments at all.
GrandMasterFreshMpls 9 months ago
@idaman12345 Not gonna lie - that argument isnt gonna get the "Yes" voters on your side...
MvyMkr 9 months ago
@idaman12345 hey, ive met god, hes a nice guy. I asked him what he thinks of christians, he said: "Oh those guys, I hate those bastards!"
MamaMario13 9 months ago
@idaman12345 @mrcooldude964
"'That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
-Christopher Hitchens
MamaMario13 7 months ago
i wish people would realize minorities are slowly gaining more rights than the average citizen.. is it so hard for a gay person or a vegetarian to go through life without telling anyone they are gay or a vegitarian? when they do finally say something its as if they deserve some sort of pat on the back for it.. your a person just like everyone else, you dont deserve a pat on the back for being equal but different.
kh0dez 1 year ago
@kh0dez Being gay is something that you, well, BE. They technically don't deserve a pat on the back, but they don't GET pats on their backs for it. What they do get pats on their backs for is for being brave enough to tell the truth about themselves, even when it's something people would not like to hear.
scratchmaster101 1 year ago
@kh0dez Yeah and if you're black then you should put a paper bag on your face or at least paint yourself white and hope no one finds out. WTF?
maszlagma 1 year ago
great boobs
Nancysissypants 1 year ago 22
@Nancysissypants I agree very much so!
rbritten17 9 months ago
@ZZA991
I thought I said bye, and you should follow you advise as well.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@ZZA991
Lol, goodbye, oh wait do you have something interesting to say? Oh, no you don't, my bad.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@ZZA991
Wow, you can't even reply with some intelligent or meaningful debate about the topic, all you just say is "you didn't end it" like a child, when that debate ended a while ago.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@ZZA991
What truth? If I you call butting in to a debate with insightful conversation and debate then yes, where you have not added nothing, just to restart a debate that ended a while ago and had nothing to do with you or at least you could have added something to it besides "you didn't". If that is all you can add, why even bother.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@ZZA991
You were the one claiming I butted in first, and at least I had more to say then just "you didn't stop first" I was having a real debate with him. I did stop long ago and only continued because he did as I said in my comment. And if you are going to but in at least add something intelligent to say to the conversation.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
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@ZZA991
Excuse you, but all my comments were with either ccik09 or bluebronx2000, the only one butting in is you, that's the only point that your avoiding and being a hypocrite.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@ZZA991
why do you keep continuing the comment, he has not replied to me, yet you continue this argument that had nothing to do with you. Leave it alone.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@ZZA991
Again who are you, and your the one continuing it now, other wise you would have left my comment alone, is that not true?
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@ZZA991
Lol, who asked you? And I didn't think after saying something as uneducated as like fairness is not the same as sameness he would actually reply back.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
i don't like it when people compare prop 8 to the black civil rights movement. black people back then were lynched, murdered, beaten and attacked almost every day, so how can one possibly compare that issue to this issue?
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09
No one is saying the two are the same but what is the same is the bigotry and BS religion used to defend it. People are killed for being gay in the middle east as its a capital punishment and even africa whats to do the same, which is surprising to me because after what they've been through I would've have thought they would be more understanding towards a minority. It is a civil right issue because prop 8 sole purpose is to make sure gays don't marry without providing any real proof.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
MANY people say that the two are the same. and when it comes to all that other stuff you said, i'm not going to start arguing with you again when you're obviously not gonna open your mind to anyone else's opinion, but all i'm saying is that i disagree whenever anyone says that "gay is the new black"
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09
Well I guess when you can't disprove a statement backed by real facts all you can do is say nothing about it because it's true, you can even look it up, which I doubt you have an open mind to it, but you wish others to have towards your statements, how fair lol. I'm not even arguing but I guess your are. And like I said before they are not the same but the same bigotry and religious BS that people used back then is the same now, and the fact that it is a civil rights issue.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
this isn't a civil rights issue. black people weren't allowed to do things that EVERYONE was free to do. and now gay people are complaining that they should be allowed to do something that was ORIGINALLY MADE FOR A MAN AND WOMAN. and it's not like they still can't be happy together, they have domestic partnerships
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09
It was ORIGINALLY A LEGAL CONTRACT for men and kings so to acquire land and power with no regard to love, age of consent, and even in some cases included polygamy. In a governmental sense all marriages gay and straight should be called domestic partnerships and it should be called marriage by personal choice and religion to be fair. Your response would seem like telling someone they cannot sit in front of the bus but they still can sit in the back making it fair only to your view.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
marriage and domestic partnerships CANNOT be compared to sitting in the front and back of a bus. the california law even says that domestic partnerships shall have the same rights to protection and fairness as marriages. how is that comparable to being forced to sit at the back of the bus?
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09
If it were truly fair they would not have different names, "almost" like having different bathrooms for colored people, while both rest rooms have the same things they are obliviously not the same. Like I said, I think all marriages gay and straight should be considered and called domestic partnerships in a legal and governmental seance to be fair with both not just straight people and to avoid any problems with religions and church's as they should not be in governmental issues.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
boy scouts and girl scouts have different names, but that's still fair, right? and honestly, marriage has a bigger influence in society, and for many cultures/religions, marriage is a deep, spiritual issue. domestic partnerships may not have as much impact on the society, but nonetheless, it's still fair for gay couples.
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09
Like I said, you think domestic partnerships are the same yet when I suggest that in that case all marriages should be called and recognized as domestic partnerships to be fair, they don't seem the same to you? Gay marriage is a equally deep and spiritual to gays. How does it have a big impact and influence? If that were true we would not have such a high divorce rate.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
i never said marriages and domestic partnerships were the same. i said they were fair, and they are, but they're not the same things. THAT'S why they have different names. Sure, i'll admit there are some differences, but not big enough differences to have a need to re-define marriage and teach future generations things that are against their older generations' beliefs.
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09
Then if there not the same, then they really aren't that fair to being with. We also taught future generation into raciest views early on in history which were installed by their older generations' beliefs in till we came to use our heads and see how wrong it was and lack of logic behind it. Like I said if domestic partner ship is fair for other people to have then its fair enough for everyone, and the only way is to have it for both gay and straight people, to be fair.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
"Then if there not the same, then they really aren't that fair to begin with."
do you honestly think being treated fairly means being treated the same? if that was true, kids would drive, kids would be able to drink alcohol ;etc.
The definition of fairness is NOT the definition of "sameness". domestic partnerships ARE fair. gay people say they should be able to be happy together, and THEY CAN.
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09
"The definition of fairness is NOT the definition of "sameness"
Do you really think being treated fairly is not not the same being treated the same as everyone else?, because in any topic that would be unfair. Being fair means it has the same rights to both parties, if not it's only fair to you. If they are that fair then they are fair for straight people as well, so changing all marriages to domestic partnerships is fair, straight people can happy as well as gays.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
@MrSinister84
both gays and straight people have a right to be happy together. that's fair, isn't it? why change it?
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09
ok look i've been looking over this whole "debate" thing, and I honestly think it's ridiculous how I've been having this "debate" over youtube comments. so believe what you want to believe, I'm gonna stop
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09
I thought I stopped a long time ago, didn't think you would right back especially after making an arrogant comment as saying "The definition of fairness is NOT the definition of "sameness". I will leave it by saying, if domestic partnership is fair for gays, then you surely would think it's fair for both gay and straight people to have domestic partnership instead of marriage, if not then it really isn't fair to everyone, just you I guess.
MrSinister84 1 year ago
Lmao.. Who wrote the "good book" then if not man? Really? We know SOO many things about history were utterly disgusting, and would never even consider repeating them, not to mention basing our entire life off of them.. But somehow an ancient book, written by really thick people governs a majority's mentality.. Bravo, because you are smart! :-)
stitches815 1 year ago
I want to marry my sister, I wish someone would stand up for my right to do that...
wooowmeato 1 year ago
@wooowmeato Well god told me specifically you can't marry your sister, oh, but Alla will allow you to marry your first cousin...
stitches815 1 year ago
isn't christianity suppose support good morals and tolerance etc? not positive, but i get the feeling that taking happiness away from someone and restricting their freedoms because they wanted to express themselves in a way that was uncomfortable to u, is less christian that getting married to the person u love, whether they are the same sex or not... if u still feel this is unholy, then forgive them for offending u and move on. i am certain that is the christian thing to do.
N0V4S74R 1 year ago
look if all you guys believe that being gay isn't a choice, then whatever i'm cool with that. but my MAIN POINT was that people who support prop 8 are simply standing up for what they think is right. they're not being bigots, they're not being intolerant, they're not being haters
ccik09 1 year ago
Please be clear… This is a Hollywood funded attack on the small town Christian people in the United States; they need to make this happen so they can advance their sexual agenda in schools, government and in our general personal lives…
What people to in their bedrooms it their business, it’s between them and their God… I don’t need it in my house, TV, books, radio or government…
glh156 1 year ago
@glh156 exactly how does gays being able to marry each other affect any straght person in any way?
AnarchisticAttitude 1 year ago
@AnarchisticAttitude if kids are taught that gay marriage is OK in school, there will be a lot of conflict between the schools and parents who want to raise their kids teaching them their own beliefs
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09 because of the bigotted behavior of said parents? seems more along the lines of an issue in the parents thought process then a viable problem. whatever happened to live and let live?
AnarchisticAttitude 1 year ago
@AnarchisticAttitude All I'm saying is that allowing gay marriage will, in fact, affect straight people, whether the person has "bigotted behavior" or not
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09 no it honestly wont affect straight people in anyway shape or form it wont make anyone turn gay that wasnt already, the nly reason one should have a problem with it is if one exhibits bigotted behavior towards homosexuals. which honestly if you do you need to do some cerious thinkin on your own maturity
AnarchisticAttitude 1 year ago
@AnarchisticAttitude Just because a parent prefers that his or her child grows up to be straight doesn't mean he or she is bigoted
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09 honestly if a childs going to be gay them learning that its okay isnt going to affect that in anyway if a kids going to be straight learning homosexuality is okay wont make him gay. just as if a kids going to be gay learning it's not okay isnt going to make a difference so in essence it is quite bigotted
AnarchisticAttitude 1 year ago
@AnarchisticAttitude how is that bigoted? bigoted means to be extremely intolerant of something, and I don't see how preserving traditional marriage is intolerance
ccik09 1 year ago
and also, i'm talking about parents that want to teach their kids that gay marriage is NOT the equivalent of traditional marriage. it's fine if you disagree with them, but they're not being BIGOTED it's just what they believe
ccik09 1 year ago
@ccik09 to be bigotted is to be intolent of something to poit of interferring with it now if parents want to teach their kids whatever thats their issue it should not however stop gays from getting married as one persons religion should NOT affect public law infact no religion sould have any effect on public law (sorry for any typos my computer and my keyboard are acting verys strangely)
AnarchisticAttitude 1 year ago
@ccik09
Yes it is bigoted, traditional marriage was also once considered only between one white man and a white woman, with laws backing it until the 1960