Thunderbolts Theory

[12Tamtui]

tried to go to the website suggested, but it seems that it is no longer available.

[Pianoman8]

This is a neglicted area of cosmology that will have to be taken more seriously once the power centres of current cosmology releases its grip on funding. The discoveries being way with regards to comets and more recently the magnetized 'fluff' just outside our solar system demand a new perspective on electrical forces within the universe

[CrabHunter]

Just want to reply on some people commenting as if these researches are getting rich on selling some of their DVDs and books... Well, I doubt they get rich from it. Their dedicating a lot of their time for researching an alternative cosmological model. And, last but not least, the "true" institutional scientists, ARE already funded by tax payers - paying both high salaries and $ billion equipment. Ignorance.

[kurtilein3]

mixeddude:_

the people promoting those conspiracy-theories do it to milk money out of ignorant morons like you. science is free. those idiots just make up some fictional stories that sound interesting, make it all seem top secret and valueable, make it interesting, and then they sell their nonsense exclusively to people that are ignorant about science. because ignorance is required in order to be unable to identify those people as frauds.

you are an uneducated sheep.

[CrabHunter]

kurtilein3: if you really think science is free, you are the true ignorant moron. All scientist are funded through the State or through institutions. All expensive equipment is paid by tax payers as well. Most of the scientific papers are NOT for free for the public; either it being academic books or mainstream science magazines. Movies and documentaries are paid for by the TV companies. Of course, that doesn't allow non-scientific approaches to be called science. But PlasmaCosmology is science

[Pianoman8]

"the people promoting those conspiracy-theories do it to milk money out of ignorant morons like you."

A bit like the peer reviewed global warming scam that's falling to pieces.

[kurtilein3]

this is typical conspiracy theory nonsense.

of course our universe is full of electrons, but if you want to know what you can do with them and want to understand also what cannot be done with them, you will need to look at what we learned from experiments (like the ones tesla did, but ALL OTHER experiments as well).

you think you know much about the topic of electricity, but in fact you are ignorant, because you refuse to think about the conclusions we can derive from experiments.

[CrabHunter]

kurtilein3: you're commenting as if Plasma Cosmology and Electric Universe contradicts established plasma physics and the subjects of electricity and magnetism in space, including experimental data from laboratories... It embraces these fields perfectly. Also, recent observations from NASA indicate an escalating insight that points to the Universe being highly electrical/magnetic of nature. (WMAP data, heliosphere, coronal plasma ejections etc.)

[kurtilein3]

how many articles did tesla publish in peer-reviewed scientific journals of the time?

your answer?

if he didnt publish, this means that he didnt care about the theory behind his experimentation.

none of this was supressed by the CIA, the evidence for this is that most of what tesla did was known inside and outside of the united states. there are no indications of anything being supressed. its just that morons like you dont care about the scientific explanations for what tesla did.

[nesnahsleort]

"just paying taxes is unconstitutional yet we do it anyway "

That has never been declared by the supreme count.

If that is your opinion, then you can go back and live in your bronze-age mud hut. I simply don't have time for that short sighted and anti-social garbage.

[88arau]

@nesnahsleort: HA. So you automatically agree with the Supreme Court in every decision they make, you think just because the Supreme Court hasn't reviewed a particular law, that deems it constitutional?What about the Fed to name just one instance, or Bank bailouts? And what a broadly ignorant comment. You must be one of those sheeple?

[kurtilein3]

mixeddude8:

i have a question for you: why is it that conspiracy nuts like you never mention the REAL advancements in science caused by tesla, why do you always take the unproven, exaggerated and more mythological stuff and run with it?

the standart unit for magnetic field strength is tesla, for example. conspiracy nuts never point it out, because people might look it up and might find out that their magnetic motors and lots of other stuff has to be nonsense. why do you ignore science?

[kurtilein3]

... second comment

unfortunately, tesla wasnt really interested in the theoretical stuff behind the interesting effects. he didnt publish much, other more disciplined scientists had to do the work, which of course involved repeating the experiments and providing explanation on how they really work.

tesla used the attraction his machines had on people in a more direct way, promoting them to audiences that would otherwise maybe go to the circus. he made lots of exaggerated claims, liked myths.

[kurtilein3]

when it comes to those experiments tesla did that are well-documented and have been done in front of audiences or in a verifyable way...

some of his experiments are really cool, and advanced our knowledge. ive seen some of them in reality, ill see many more as my studies continue and might do some of them myself. i understand how they work. they do not contradict modern physics, like your thunderbolts-nonsense would.

(another comment needed)

[kurtilein3]

mixeddude8:

no. im like one of the people that actually study physics, looking at the bullshit that you believe to be true, and realize that the bullshit that you believe to be true have nothing to do with what we actually managed to learn about reality by doing REPEATABLE, ACCURATE EXPERIMENTS which have been reviewed and scrutinized by other scientists.

you just make stuff up, dont do experiments, ignore all that we already know, ignore facts, and then claim that you have the truth.

[nesnahsleort]

And yet the still offer it to you for $25 on DVD and a book for the similar price. Kent Hovind also don't mind having his nonsense spread around for free, but he still manages to rub enough together owe taxes for nearly $500k.

No no, There is definitely an aspect of business here. True science does not care for the money they can scram off the lay-folks, as they have already paid through the tax. Scientists are far too busy doing actual research instead of drumming up support among the public.

[jellofast]

is this allegory of the cave.... ppl denying this new theory and resistant to change...

[charzy888]

That speech, with the mystical music makes me VERY skeptical, Sound like complete BS to me. I'll have to look further into this i think.

[nesnahsleort]

It is complete BS and thunderbolt are perfectly aware of it - Only trouble is, they have now made themselves a lucrative business selling dvds and books to dilute the lay masses, and so they simply cannot give up on that right? :)

Mainstream science has long been aware of electric phenomena in space and also why they cannot have a large scale dominance.

[jellofast]

you doubt nikola tesla....?

[nesnahsleort]

Well lets just say that a great number of US patents is not a measure of scientific creditability. And Tesla produced very little other than a great number of US patents of varying practical application.

[jellofast]

YOUR opinion on Tesla. if they were not practical, why was it confiscated by our govt

[kevinb97]

this works do the research

[markgilbert1]

This is a work of genius and agrees with empirical observation and experiment. Even if the 'myth' I have seen linked to the theory. appear tenuous.

But any claim they make to it being fact beyond empirical observation is as much pseudo-science as their detractors.

[LowryOlafson]

Hi Mark, none of The Thunderbolts Project gang claims these things to be 'absolute' fact; they are completely devoted to the idea of empirical sciencewhich is why I find their proposal so intriguing, and enduring, and why I made the film with them. This film barely touches on the mythological aspects, which are even more fascinating than the astronomical. We are working on a film dealing solely with the mythological, but have no completion date as yet. All the best... Ben

[markgilbert1]

The myth I refer to is in the 'Thunderbolt of the Gods' video. I did not to intend to imply that the theory was myth (although ALL theory by definition has a myth element, even mine). I just wanted to place my chips on the table about empirical observation. I find the theory very appealing, maybe because I share my name with the inventor (theoretically) of the word 'electricity'. I feel we could gain much by discussion, please message me if you feel the same.

[bengedlow]

Hi Mark,

I must have sent my previous comment from the wrong Google account. Poor Lowry is a songwriter, not necessarily a Thunderbolts Project enthusiast. The Thunderbolts Project proposes an expansive theory extending from the origin of the 'first' story told on planet Earth, to bleeding edge plasma physics. The two have a lot in common, fit hand-in-glove, and both are based on empirical science. But would require a dozen films to properly elucidate... how does one 'message' another?

[redshift40]

Stars are powered by nuclear fusion in their cores, that in turn produce a wide range of power on the EM scale. This theory of getting electricity from deep space is a fantasy.

[markgilbert1]

Please don't claim theory as fact, if you want to be taken seriously as having a valid scientific viewpoint.

Of course you can refuse my request.

[ciocki]

P.S. the comet thing really got me (lab sim. vs spectrum jpeg thingy)

[ciocki]

Great theory! more than half are so simple and well backed up examples. I am a fan. TBH for me it all became much simpler. Meanwhile, i was thinking about capturing or "taping" into that energy. That would solve some major problems:)). Anywayz, good theory and loads of luck with it. Also, don't forget Tesla :D (some ppl said here that this is too simple...well, just look around into nature and see how simple solves so much).

[NovakMary]

i would rather take the shamans route to roam the universe with my own love, than sciences mind fuck

[junglebunny2004]

The whole religious complexion of the world is due to the absence, from Jerusalem, of a lunatic asylum.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise, as false, and by the rulers, as useful.

[MarleyMorals]

Scientists are searching for the Essence of life and they will never find it, It eludes us because the mystery keeps us curious and Curiosity keeps us searching for Purpose and meaning. It's all in the WORDS The Word is Our God, REASON+RATIONALITY.

[TheManSand322]

Keep reading your Bible and remain ignorant. While the rest of us continue growing in the never ending pursuit of knowledge. To think that understanding the Essence of life would bring an end to curiosity, is simply just a weak theory. Is this what your church teaches you or did you just feel like writing some b/s trying to sound like you know something more then nothing

[TheManSand322]

LoL

[EltonJThe]

@TheManSand322 Actually, learning never truly stops. It's man that stops learning. Religion often stands in the way of Science because one Man wants to be the spokesperson for God for all of us. When we rely on prophets -- living or dead -- we are damning ourselves. A true believer in God would be a scientist, since he would never stop asking questions.

[sparky565]

I don't think they are wrong to think that certain phenomenon are caused by fields and currents. I just don't think they should assume they are electrical and magnetic in nature. We understand so little about the universe that it is possible that other forms or even just another spectrum of energy exist that behave similar to electricity and magnetism. After all, everything in the universe is really just energy in a different form or spectrum.

[yanyan888683]

hottie @ 1:06

[Largus1]

yup

[loperspest]

A scientific theory is telling a lie that explains the facts as you know them until you run into a fact the lie can not explain. Then you invent a lie that explains that fact as well as the other facts. And if it is a good lie, future facts as well. That is what a theory is.

[phantommadness]

one name, Nicola Tesla

everyone belie in Albert Einstein, why is that. even his e=mc2 has been proven wrong and people continue to be ignorant and chose not to see the facts.

[shrunkensimon]

It wasn't even his discovery! Einstiein plagarized his work from others before him. Im sure i will get assaulted for this comment.. but its because Einstein was Jewish. Thats the only reason his retarded theory has been pushed on us to this very day.

Nikola Tesla indeed. The true genius.

[eyewitness043]

I reccommend each individual person SEE the entire video for yourself, then make your decision.

"Proof" may only be a requisite of for those who cannot recognize the truth when they hear it.

It was stated that:

Sun's surface 6000k

Sun's Upper Atmosphier 2,000,000k.

But of course, the most compelling question is that if the sun is not a stand alone self heating nuclear furnace then where is it projecting its energy from

[kurtilein3]

``But of course, the most compelling question is that if the sun is not a stand alone self heating nuclear furnace then where is it projecting its energy from´´

the question is only compelling for ignorant morons that want to boost their sense of self-importance by spreading arguments from ignorance. we already know where the sun gets its energy from, its nuclear fusion. there is no debate here, no rational reasons to believe anything else.

[kurtilein3]

this is pseudoscience.

if the theory would be scientific, it would have been published in the scientific world. this did not happen. the scientific world has never heared of it, but those frauds claim to be part of the scientific world, how can that be?

did they submit their work to peer review? no? perhaps they didnt do it because any scientist can see that its idiotic?

[seyoumeye]

Why jump to such conclusion calling it pseudoscience? Most if not all scientific work published in the mainstream are funded by greedy psychopath corporate money. Thunderbolts Theory is a great scientific work, at least watch the whole movie it explains a lot more about our universe.

[kurtilein3]

if you dont like the word pseudoscience, here are some alternative ways to put it:

fraud. willful ignorance in the presence of real knowledge. childlike behaviour. people that like to mislead the public into believing mythology, just because they can, or to boost their level of importance from non-existance to cult-leader.

thunderbolts theory is a great way to recognize ignorant people. if someone buys into it, you know that the person is ignorant. thats the only purpose i can see.

[seyoumeye]

Well science with it Black Holes and religion with it God both now pretend we believe and reason in the Invisible. As you are aware electricity is invisible too, but you can see it when is in full operation; it spines like a hell and flashes like a thunderstorm. These theory fits very well with other research done in the area of Golden Ratio/ Golden mean Spiral (Tetrahedron); GDV (Light After Life) and Fractal Universe. Sad not all these researches are supported by the greedy corporate. Peace

[kurtilein3]

``These theory fits very well with other research done in the area of Golden Ratio/ Golden mean Spiral (Tetrahedron); GDV (Light After Life) and Fractal Universe.´´ none of those theories can be considered scientific, its all pseudoscience.

the theories we have explain our universe very precisely and leave hardly any open question.

the theories you mention explain some other universe, NOT THE ONE WE LIVE IN, its fantasy, not backed up by evidence. those people are frauds, not scientists.

[kurtilein3]

second comment...

and get rid of the term electricity when you in fact mean electromagnetism. electricity and magnetism have been unified a long time ago.

and WE DO SEE ELECTROMAGNETISM all the time, light is electromagnetic radiation, the same is true for heat radiation which you can feel, and radiowaves which we use all the time, and x-rays that we use to make images. dont tell me that we dont see it.

[Kenzofeis]

You are not the brightest candle are you..

Without electricity - NO electromagnetism.

Electric currents CREATE electromagnetism.

Electromagnetism can be picked up by an inductor and "transform" back into electric current.

Plasma is a conductor AND a charge, when moving it creates EM..

When a current goes thru plasma a EMF is created..

And so on..

[VJCZAJA]

Fascinating...plasma's like life

[joshig1983]

I don't think the opinions of some people here are that important. If people think this video explains something true, it isn't going to change anyone's life. Scientists and engineers who put people on the Moon and probes on other planets will still have success relying on their theory of gravity.

The only problem is when people reward the people in the video by buying their books. My opinion is these are lies and from this perspective, buying their books would encourage more lies.

[MaryStewart]

this theory is pseudoscience!!

[Thundralight]

Tesla told them this back in the early 1900's

[raahr]

I saw the whole video. Some things are intrigueing but I havn't seen anything in the way of real science or anything that could be called logic or proof. it certainly gives one a lot to think about but little to KNOW. Given the lack of any mathematics or physical proof. The comet thing is interesting! But I simply don't understand how they are going about this data collection if there even is any other than noticing some beauty.

[kurtilein3]

``But I simply don't understand how they are going about this data collection if there even is any other than noticing some beauty.´´

well, if they want data, they will do it like conspiracy-theorysts and pseudo-scientists do it. quote-mining, misquoting, making thinks up, selling insane hypothesis as valid theories, fancy images and animations. setting up something like a global conspiracy that keeps all real scientists from seeing the ``real truth´´ is also very common.

[raahr]

i had a little spout and a flair up. I'm in science, and I just got frustrated, because quite bluntly it looks like these guys didn't make it doing something else and they decided to pick back up on an old curiosity, and possibly even cash in. I suppose they're doing everything right if they're just being curious about it and exploring.

[raahr]

I just don't like the fact that they are running workshops and making money spreading information on something they may have very well known to be wrong or already proven to be so.

[raahr]

General and popular science that can be interesting to laymen but still be true are like kitchen experiments. When a real scientist meets with that many people as are seen in the video, it's usually called school or a research group. As much as I get exited about new finds in nature, I find this mostly to be bullshit. I would only hope that these guys could spark a new idea like string theory that, while not a basic law, could help move along scientific discovery.

[raahr]

As for as they havn't really shown any proficiency in real physics, they just throw around the fact that they talked to a plasma scientist.

[kurtilein3]

i am certain that they will not cause/start anything useful.

they use too many arguments from ignorance, too many claims that contradict reality. and then they start drawing conclusions from the fallacious pile of bullshit they collected.

there is a simple rule: bullshit in, bullshit out. if you start out with mistakes, and then combine them and draw conclusions, the result will also be wrong.

[raahr]

It's simply physics, you could call it a new viewpoint from a lazy physicists point of view, but no one needs to buy a DVD. Go to class. The magnetosphere is being shown in a classical manner even an "ether" manner in the earth diagram as a flow model, when a magnetic model would show it as parabolic.

[maestbobo]

What the hell? This video didn't say anything except "Go to that website". :/

[silverwolffilms]

Maestbobo ... if you go to that site you can see twenty clips that DO say something VERY specific, and worth the effort of your visit there. It will also link to another website where you can find hundreds of articles defining this new theory. Again, very much worth the effort.

[maestbobo]

Sorry, didn't want to seem too blunt, but I was just expecting to learn more from this video. Anyway, gonna go check the website.

[greezyc]

I know what the "thunderbolts" are.

...It's very simple to figure out if you look at it from the perspective of explaining complex microbiology to a clan of hunters, thousands of years ago.

[debalazo]

perhaps, but if you have a modern (today's), basic understanding of electronics and magnetism, it should click with not much struggle.

[raahr]

hey chuck, I'm in science. I also hate the bs use of the internet for cash. I hate dishonesty and I hate logic driven by money. Do you have something to say about nature?

[raahr]

because before I would give a worthless site a hit and contribute to some delusion of worth and value in the money sense mostly predated upon (and leached of) uneducated people I'd have to hear you say, this is being studied by poeple that don't "think" their going to get rich doing so. Like a bunch of fuckin dipsticks. That ain't science.

[BlackSilver23]

This is an AWESOME video; an incredible new paradigm of cosmology. I sincerely hope they (Silverwolf) decide to post more.

[Aryanpars]

The contexts are false and junk science. They have bad science and have further mis presented current theories and observations.

Just use Google scholar and look for peered reviewed journals by any of these groups and you would find none.