Just hate Keith and Mick!! They are OLD ugly men- who ever thought they were the ones???? Mick, for one, is just a big mouth - what else can he do??? Puts his old cock into what-ever - yes, but what is his contribution to my world?? Fuck Mick - you can scream - yes, you can, but you cannot sing, so go fuck you old, old man. And Keith - the abe-man - why did you not help Brian instead of stealing his girl?? You are out - you could fuck everybody - why Brian´s girl?? It did not even last, so why??
Long live the true Rolling Stone - Brian Jones. Mick N' Keefs' fanboys can spout all the crap they want but there is no comparison to tthe music he was involved in. When the Stones went disco, any credibillity they had with me went in the garbage heap along with Rod Stewart.
@bladesofglory12 When talking about Brian Keith is one side talking in a still, for him, ongoing conflict. He release every bit of bitterness he can and keep his true feelings to himself. He has shown them at times but it's rare. Anita never let him forget that she once was Brian's girl and when the love of your life says that you won't be happy. Anita's affair with Mick is also one of the reason why Keith attacks Mick in his book. Keith has "his" truth and it won't give you the whole picture.
@bladesofglory12 "Everything" is usually based on what Keith has to say about the blond boy anyway. There are a few books whos writers actually bothered to look up and listen to people who aren't biased but lived or/and worked closely with Brian at times during the 60's. Bill Wyman's book "Stone Alone" is a good start. They show that even if Brian wasn't an angel by any means (drug addicts can be a pain in the a**) he was human with more sides to him than one.
@atticthoughts Okay, I feel you're getting a bit full of yourself and you're putting words in my mouth, which I do not like. Never said there was only on side to Brian, not blaming it all completely on him. I could go on forever, but this discussion is getting real old, real fast, so bye!
@bladesofglory12 One more thing (I won't be a dick this time. ;) ): No, you never said that. I'm sorry if you feel that I put words in your mouth. You pushed my button with the words "Keith" and "truth" in the same sentence since I have had that discussion a million times already. People tend to make the story about Brian and the Stones very easy and one sided. Not many are well read on the other side of who the blond boy was. It's my loss that you don't want continue the discussion. Peace!
Brian ended up how he did due to how he was side lined in the band by those two wankers Jagger and Richards, who basically took over the band that Brian Jones formed.
It's impossible to have a guy such as brian in a band, it's a fact, there's one time you can't do anything about it, he didn't show to the sessions, didn't go to concerts etc etc
Brian could be a dickhead as they all could. But, he didn't show up to the sessions and didn't do concerts anymore..he got too much into drugs and alcohol and became bigheaded, self absorbed and acted like he knew everything. Keith and Mick acted like dicks towards him because they were fed up.
Brian had a great talent, but let fame get to his head. What Keith said is the truth.
@bladesofglory12 "bigheaded, self absorbed and acted like he knew everything" You mean just like Mick? The glimmers acting like dicks because they were fed up is only one part of the truth. They had been bullying him since 1964. It's however true that Brian was a dick but they were all dicks and two (three with Oldham) against one is never fair.
@atticthoughts Mick was never, ever like that until the 80's came around, so I don't know what you're talking about. And I never said it was fair. I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just posting my opinions.
@bladesofglory12 I'd suggest you read some interviews with Jagger from the 60's and see for yourself or read what Marianne has to say about him. Mick and Brian wasn't so different from each other on that part. The main difference was that Mick had full control of himself while Brian didn't. Heck, I thought it was common knowledge that these big cats Jagger/Richards, Lennon/McCartney, Morrison, Dylan and what have you were self absorbed and bigheaded!? They weren't nice and tidy people.
Just finished reading a highly regarded book about the Stones. My take on this is that Brian was a confused kid but also a spiteful little man who beat women and abandoned his kids - even calling both his illegitimate sons Julian for a laugh.
Mick and Keith, whilst hardly better, had the talent to write songs. Brian was entirely incapable of doing so and when Anita left him for Keith, the game, and in many ways Brian's life was up.
@Philtration The statement is very incorrect. The proper sentence would be: Like it or not... Jagger & Richards were the Rolling Stones after Brian Jones passed away. No Brian Jones = no Rolling Stones. The man made many musical contributions to their sound and, for Christ's sake, got the name and their first gig!
@xDeadMisfitsx Yes, Brian was important to the band in the beginning but he was never the focus and that became more and more obvious as the years went by.
The Stones were far better musically when Mick Taylor replaced Brian.
@Philtration He was the focus due to it being his band in the beginning, but since Jagger and Richards were writing songs, the focus changed. Musically? Well, maybe guitar-wise, but Taylor couldn't do half the shit Brian Jones knew how to play.
Brian could take a mediocre song and turn it into a hit, true, but it was always Mick and Keith that made sure the hard work of writing/arranging songs was done. Furthermore, it's not that hard to understand the unsympathetic attitude M & K has regarding Brian's contribution. Brian followed his own path as a member of Stones, not the Stones. Whereas M & K seems to have worked for the benefit of Stones.
@perfuzz The glimmers wrote the songs but the whole band did the arrangements. Mick and Keith worked for the benefit of their own i.e the holy Jagger/Richards and in the mid 60's they treated Brian, Stu, Bill and Charlie as session men. It was lust for money and power that made it happend.
@atticthoughts - Na... if that were true they would have gone M & K. M & K did what the Stones needed to be top 5 in the world. Brian on the other hand was lucky find himself in the same recording studio. Every now and then he stumbled over something interesting and M & K generously sided their egos.
@perfuzz There are plenty of stories about the glimmers that show that they weren't nice guys. Read Wyman's Stone Alone for starters. The glimmers provided the material but every member made it what it was. Brian's early efforts to get them together and struggle to make something out of them was what made the rest possible. Without that - no studio recording at all. Without his later instrumental addings the Stones would have been another british r&b band from the 60's. Put it all in context.
@atticthoughts - Well I don't give a mediocre bas players, who's talent were sided by the glimmers, self grandiose book that mush importance. Brian, Bill and Charlie just happened to be on the same bandwagon. By the way I never said that K & M were or are nice. Oh by the way, most of the stuff I hear about Brian is that he was, let me quote you "weren't nice". About Brian's genius or what you like to call it. It's possible that he would have sued M & K later if he lived, like Matthew Fisher did.
@perfuzz Bill's talent as a bass player has got nothing to do with what he saw and felt during his time inside the band . To deny his side of the story shows that you're not interested in anything other than what the glimmers say anyway and then I'm wasting my time here.. Yes, Mick and Keith wrote the songs but they wouldn't have sounded like they did without the others. Brian sure had his darker sides. But they all had that - except for Charlie I guess.
@MissPoitier Aleksis Korner, Marianne Faithful Janie Perrin and Shirley Arnold says so as well. But saying so here is like dropping a gas truck in heavy fire. As one put it below: "What Keith said is the truth.". If that is what people want to believe then that's it. You can't force anyone to read something else that gives a more objective take on things. In their minds Keith was the only one who knew Brian and his take is that Brian was horrible (despite what he has said before). End of story
@atticthoughts As always: The winner writes the history. And stupid people do not question anything or have a second look on BOTH sides of a story. Sad. :(
@MissPoitier True. Brian will always be "the Monster" when the truth is that he was a pretty regular but very insecure guy that got hooked on alcohol and drugs. It's sad that especially Keith keep the good stories to himself as they were close and had lots of fun together (look at photos). It would have brought some balance. Brian was liked by many despite his mix of polite rudeness, humor and paranoia. He was an arse at times but they all were.
I think "You can't always get what you want" and "honky tonk woman" weren't the best songs to put in this video... It talks about the Master's Funeral, please!
brian couldnt handle the banter because he couldnt handle the drugs...brian would beat anita because the drugs made him paranoid and that pushed her to keith...it was an era of drug experiment and keith brian and anita were on it...brian couldnt handle it....he was ok about splitting from the band ..he had been asked to write a score for a film...i think he wasnt strong mentally although he was a brilliant artist...he was insecure with being part of a band...
@ellie11000 When Brian and Anita fought Brian didn't know what he was doing. But Anita knew exactly what she was doing. Anita knew that she had the upperhand and used that for mind games. People who knew them say that Anita loved to drive Brian into a complete rage even though she knew what would happend. She would get punched and then when he least expected it she gave back and Brian is also supposed to have had his fair share of black eyes. One time she hit him with a telephone.
Brian did have a huge fan base but got messed up on acid and other drugs which hampered his playing and reliability to the rest of the band. Because of his drug problem and with the law he was basically going to lose his work visa to the USA which is ultimately why he was kicked out.
@Dean100able It wasn't just the drugs. Brian wanted out as well but didn't have the guts to do so. The records show that he could play though. He never lost that.
@att: He did lose it to a great extent: When Brian's stuff was left on a Stones record, of course it was good, but less & less of his work had been making the cut. Brian often wasn't able to play at all, forcing Keith to overdub many 2nd guitar parts. This was the core issue Keith had with Brian: Keith thought, (correctly), that the true Stones guitar sound was the two of them interacting live.
@lazur1 The funny thing about Brian's last contributions in 68 are that most them are kept very low in the mix or can only be heard thanks to bleed through from phones or other microphones. There's nothing wrong with his playing but "they" still decided to keep him out. We don't know much of what he actually recorded that didn't make it to release. That said there were indeed times when he was so full of depression, pills and booze that he couldn't play. Sad.
@lazur1 I'd say that the Stones became a true two guitar band in 68. In the beginning Brian was just as much a harmonica player as he was a guitarist and in the mid 60's his multiintrumentalism fitted perfectly with the various styles that the glimmers experimented with. In 68 the sound changed and Brian didn't fit anymore as a musician as he wouldn't have been happy to stay as just a guitar player. There was no room for his recorders, dulcimer and mellotrons anymore.
@a:Keith says opposite: He talks of hours they spent creating an intermingling of playing into 1 guitar sound, unplayable by 1 guitarist. Keith felt that Mick Taylor was great , but they played distinctly separate roles, didn't fit together into that 1 sound . / You're right but backwards: Stones' changed because Keith was playing all the guitar parts, because Brian wasn't able. A great recorder or dulcimer idea would've been welcome, but the bulk of a Stones set was always 2 guitars.
It takes only a few old fogies to play great 'classics' for 40 years, but a true mastermind to create, write, and produce material for these fat-heads to reap the benefits of for decades. I love the Rolling Stones, but after suing for every penny of the 'Bittersweet Symphony', a song none of the living members even owned, but stole from Brian Jones, I couldn't do it anymore. It doesn't take a scientist to see the alchemy of Rolling Stones existed within a few years, purely because of Jones.
@MrGeltabs They were and are rock stars, in fact, rock legends, of course they behaved differently, sometimes we think, how can you be suck an asshole! Fame and drugs change people and Brian was really messed up. And it's always the same about dead rock musician's girlfriends/wives, they are always judged and said "How could you let him die, you bitch"! "You ruined him!" "Fuck you!" (like Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love) So, don't be that judgemental, I mean, we didn't know him personally.
@ffxx135 True, but I've read enough about Brian to know that Anita wasn't good for him. Mick would agree with me on that. She wasn't very good for Keith either but he never lost control. You can't blame the guys because they were in love - in love with a controlling and manipulative bitch. Brian was the easy target being who he was
Definitely agree. Anita wasn't good for Brian nor Keith for that matter. And you can hear it in her voice and see it in her face that she isn't really a good person. I think she's really the only girl whose been with a Rolling Stone that I genuinely don't like.
MOST of my favorite Stones songs were written with Brian Jones in the band. He was so fucking creative, and brought so much extra sound to the Stones. Everything after him was missing that ingredient.
@staphinfection An ingredient that made them survive and prosper as musicians and artists. Brian was already out of the band. He could have done other things but he needed medical help and nobody helped him. He died! Apparently it happens to all of us?
@elvishitler "i'm an american" was all you needed to say. Anyone in Europe will understand what you're really saying, and probably make allowances for your xenophobic, ignorant remarks.
@toby099 He never turned up, Keith had to learn all his parts and incorporate them into one piece. Brian would be 'sick' and then turn up at a club. That's fact. You weren't there to say shit like that. They put up with Brians bullshit for 4 years before they had enough. He would never turn up, Phil Spector would play Brians parts on some shit because he just wouldn't turn up. Playin' with fire is a good example of that. Stop talking shit. He was treated as you'd treat someone who lets you down
@Motownisyourtown Brian did show up at times and when he did show up they ignored him and even told their producer to tell him to fuck off. That is fact. Brian was sick at that time with depression and paranoia and the reason he went to clubs was that he knew that they would bully him if he showed up in the studio. Brian also put up with Mick and Keith's BS for years. They werent any better towards him. Brian was treated like pure shit. You are just defending Keith here based on what Keith say.
@luckysilviano No, of course not. The things I wrote is nothing new and it has been told over and over from people who were there with them. There's a lot of fact out there that hasn't been based on Keith's one sided bashing. Search and you will find. Brian wasn't innocent of course - he could be a real bastard. But to just blame him for the shit inside the Stones is plain stupid. Facts say otherwise and even the glimmers have admit that they weren't nice to him.
@atticthoughts Brian was sick because of his drugs taking and heavy drinking. He couldn't deal with it, like Keith could. Brian was most of the time a pain in the ass. He wasn't very nice, and refused to play electric guitar the last couple of years. But I agree that Mick and Keith could bully Brian, which was also not nice. The fact that Brian's guitar was not plugged in during the Rock and Roll Circus, and Godards film during Sympathy for the devil is very painful to watch. He deserved better.
@robin14669 Brian also had asthma and mental issues. But yes, the drugs aged his body and made him an even more difficult guy than he was without them. He could be a pain in the ass but it has been exaggerated by the glimmers and people loyal to them. Lucky for us there were other people who knew Brian who can give us a more balanced view of him today. Brian wasn't innocent at all but he wasn't the only one with a big ego in that band. The glimmers were a-holes towards him as well and know it.
@atticthoughts I think the glimmers (Mick & Keith) had a lot of patience with Brian, because his contributions to Stones sessions during 1967-69 were sparse. Of course there were a lot of ego's in the band, but they were young men in their twenties. Brian became more paranoia and sick because of his addictions. Keith stole Anita Pallenberg from Brian, which made him very bitter and isolated in the band. But like I said, he deserved better. He was in general a good guy and very intelligent.
@robin14669 I wouldn't say that his adding to the songs were sparse in 67-68. I'd say that he saved a lot of Their Satanic Majesties with his mellotron, brass and recorder works. Brian never liked that album but still met up a lot with Keith and Nicky Hopkins at the studio to work out the music. That's pretty loyal. It's also said that he loved working on Beggars Banquet and IMHO his addings show that. Sadly, the drug busts destroyed him. Other than that I agree with you.
@robin14669 Brian guitar was plugged in at the RnR Circus but it is very low in the mix on the official version. I've never understood why since he plays just fine. He also plays good in the Godard film but for some reason they decided to not include his bit in the final version.
You could also argue that Brian made himself remembered by playing other instruments than the guitar and that he always played guitar live. Brian always played a lot of harmonica as well leaving Keith alone anyway.
@atticthoughts I never heard Brian's parts in the Rock and Roll Circus (except voor No expectations) and Godards film. As you know, Brian secretly made a deal of extra money in the early days of The Stones, because he considered himself as the leader of the band. That sort of things really isolated him in the band. Brians personality changed dramatically when the Stones rose to fame, and he couldn't handle it. But his musicianship was incredible diverse and very important for The Stones.
@robin14669 Yes he did and paid for it for the rest of his time in the band. I guess Keith's still pissed about it today. It's a bit weird that the glimmers say that Brian never was the leader but still allowed him to act like one. Brian got the gigs and the publicity in the early days and was their spokesman. When it was time to tell Stu that he couldn't be a member like the rest they sent Brian to do it. Brian's isolation also came because he was so sensitive - an easy target for bad jokes.
@atticthoughts Brian was too sensitive, that's true. And Mick and Keith bullied him, like they did with Bill Wyman for a while. When the drug and drinking wasn't a big part of Brian's life, he could easily demand his place in The Stones as the most gifted musician in the band. Like he did on Aftermath, that's Brians album. His problem was: he couldn't write songs. But he did wrote the music for Ruby Tuesday with Keith. Great song.
@robin14669 I think Brian was too much of a musician to write songs with commercial value. His score for A Degree of Murder and love for ethnic music shows that he had another quality and talents for other kinds of music instead. He did show the band "bits and pieces" that he had composed (such as the rumour about Ruby Tuesday) and maybe some of those would make it in to songs without him getting credit for it? Bill say that he himself did just that but never got any credit. Taylor as well.
@DJDansound I have read "Life" and it's nothing more than bitter history revisionism from a sad old man when it comes to Brian. Anita is the big reason for it. I like 1970's Keith a lot better. The glimmers and Brian were friends all along in their own twisted way. There was no "trying" - only good and bad times. Brian didn't beat Anita in the late 60's as she was with Keith. But you do know that she still defend Brian and used him to taunt Keith when they fought? She wasn't an angel.
@arealOpia1991 They played games with Brian that weren't very nice and made a lot of hurtful remarks that Brian took hard. The Stones was a pretty tough club to be in (always has) and since Brian was a very sensitive guy they used that against him in any way they could. I'm not saying that he himself was "poor little Brian". But the guy did have some kind of psychological problem among other things and they knew that. I don't blame them for being pissed on him but the bullying didn't help a bit.
This is pure myth. Not supported by any first hand accounts.
The truth is, as soon as Jones got very famous, he got hopelessly hooked on hard drugs, and surrounded himself with nasty, abusive, idiot friends.
Jagger in particular spent years trying to get rid of these people from his life. He even wrote a song about it, where he compared them to "flies" around meat, and how he was "unable to get them off".
@PacquiaoEPO I've read "first hand accounts" for 12 years and found nothing that supports what you say about Jagger. It's however true that Brian had some idiot friends that came as a side effect with the alcohol and the drugs. But that Jagger tried to get rid of them? Nah, why would he even care to do that? I bet Keith knew those guys too.
Brian Jones died, in a pool, surrounded by these people. None of them helped him. And there's strong evidence that these "friends" were probably responsible for his death.
As I said, Jagger and Richards spent years trying to help him out, but he wouldn't get these people out of his life. And it eventually killed him.
Jones was kicked out, as he refused to dump these people, and refused to help himself. And his refusal to help himself killed him
@PacquiaoEPO Brian Jones may very well have died in the pool on his own. We don't know much really - just rumours and most of that shit comes from Keylock. Keith has said that Brian could be a bastard but not so much so that somebody would want him dead. Jones wasn't "kicked out". It was a mutual agreement. Brian wanted out and the band wanted him out of the same reason - Brian wasn't interested in being a Rolling Stone anymore. If you want me to believe you then you got to bring some proof.
@atticthoughts Brian was kicked out of the band. There is no mistaking that. When they went to Cotchford they let Brian decide how he wanted it to be handled in the press. I think that's the misconception because the statement that was released from Brian was that he wasn't entirely happy with the records they were cutting, which may be true...but Mick and Keith forced the issue.
@daniellaoalsson It's true that Mick and Keith forced the issue but it had to happend. I mean even Brian knew that it couldn't go on and he had been expecting that meeting for a long time. Even if they more or less forced him out he was fed up with it. He still considered the Stones to be his band but knew that he had lost control and with that his interest in it. It's often said that the Stones already had moved without Brian. But so had he. Forming a new band was what he wanted to do.
@atticthoughts I agree that he wanted to form a new band but the reason was Jagger and Richards had completely taken over the musical direction of the Rolling Stones. He no longer had any input. Ry Cooder has said that during this time period Brian had been completely phased out of the band and when Brian did turn up to recording session he was belittled by Jagger about how he was a washed up musician. And this is not even mentioning that Keith was still banging Anita.
@daniellaoalsson In 67/68 the power struggle had really come to an end. A lot of people have given their stories about how Brian was ignored, mocked and told to f**k off when he came down to the sessions. 1968 started great but became hell and while the glimmers had been supportive during the second bust they soon lost patience and became a-holes again. Brian could still play though but the alcohol made him unrealible. I think that they could have been way nicer but Brian needed serious help.
I went to the house where Brian died (or was murdered depending on your view) this year. Then on to Keiths 'redlands' pad that he bought in '66. Think of all the stuff that happened there!
@colosalblack Also, Duane Allman at 24 in 1971. I saw him perform for the last time in Alabama a few months before he died. Incredible losses. Others who easily might have died finally got off of hard drugs (i.e. Brian Wilson, Eric Clapton, Keith Richards) and are still thriving today.
Almost better that he will always be remembered at his best -- if he had cleaned up, would now be an old dried up guy. Sometimes the dynamics of a team or company is more important than the skillsets...BJ maybe just couldn't fit in, like Mick Taylor. It's tough being an idol, eh?
@lightsofrose I've got Wohlin's book. I think she's probably telling the truth. Who knows, cos I don't trust anyone anymore. But her account was just too simple and logical to be dismissed as bitter hysterics. The culture clash between Thorogood and Jones would've been more abrupt back then. I can just imagine a man like that snapping at a boy like Jones.
This might sound like a silly question because the stones were so popular in the '60s but did people really know who Brian Jones was back then? Like if the name Brian Jones was said in the '60s would most people know who that was? Brian, Bill, and Charlie just seem like the kind of guys to me who were out of the public image.
@ESPguitarist1969 People definitely knew who Brian Jones was back in the 60's. He was just as popular as Mick Jagger among fans during the 60's and Mick hated it.
Brian was also the spokesman of the band right in the beginning. He named them and worked his ass off for them to make it.
@GAL1817 No, Brian Jones formed the Rolling Stones with Stu and Charlie Watts. He also named them while phoning Jazz News to place an advertisement. When asked what the band's name was, Jones glanced at a Muddy Waters LP lying on the floor of which one of the tracks was "Rollin' Stone
Brian was the most rebellious out of all of the Stones.... he really set a standard for the other guys to follow... in the early days of the band, Jones was it.
Keith says, 'you know that about some people...you get the feeling they're not going to be 70 years old. - yeah Keith, we've all felt that way about you. Thanks for proving us wrong!
i have a nice video , a unreleased track by brian jones and the stones, it's called brian's blues ( stewe and keefed ) chek it out on my profile, and leave a message
@emerpus01 Do you remember that Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns was told he had every disease known to man and then some, and they were like little plush dolls pushed against a door, so they all blocked each other and couldn't get through, so that's why Burns never succumbed to them - that's what Keith Richards is like, as far as drugs
To Our Friend Brian Jones..We LOVE You too Brian and miss you dearly.....You were such a kind and gentle sort and signed my Dads , "The Rolling Stones,"Between the Butons record in San Fracisco 1966...We still have for keeps...it says..Thank you very much David and Molly, Love Brian 1966. This record made our holidays and rekindled all the excitement of a Rollin' Stones show, of days gone by. Brian began the group, but then.... We Love Brian
@LearnMeHowToFly . IT LOOKS THAT MANY WERE IMPLIED IN THIS DEATH. ROLLING STONES AGREED TO PAY HIM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY WHILE THE BAND WOULD BE WORKING
it's just the way it works - richards and jagger had the disproportionate share of songwriting talent. besides, would the stones have been better off limiting themselves as a blues-cover band as jones had wanted?
No, but don't believe that Mick and Keith wrote everything that has Jagger/Richards written on it. That was something Oldham decided because he wanted those two to be the Lennon/McCartney of the Rolling Stones. He regarded the other members as session musicians. So no matter what they did for the songs they wouldn't get any credit for it. Mick and Keith didn't complain since they got more money.
richards looks as if hes off his tits
68fibua 4 days ago
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515742617000027 2 weeks ago
hey man
Keith is beastht
doctormarmalade 3 months ago
Just hate Keith and Mick!! They are OLD ugly men- who ever thought they were the ones???? Mick, for one, is just a big mouth - what else can he do??? Puts his old cock into what-ever - yes, but what is his contribution to my world?? Fuck Mick - you can scream - yes, you can, but you cannot sing, so go fuck you old, old man. And Keith - the abe-man - why did you not help Brian instead of stealing his girl?? You are out - you could fuck everybody - why Brian´s girl?? It did not even last, so why??
Pukkie11000 3 months ago
@Pukkie11000 Mick Jagger looks like a fish!!!
1979cl1 2 months ago
Long live the true Rolling Stone - Brian Jones. Mick N' Keefs' fanboys can spout all the crap they want but there is no comparison to tthe music he was involved in. When the Stones went disco, any credibillity they had with me went in the garbage heap along with Rod Stewart.
mistomen 4 months ago
Yay, everyone attack Keith because he says the truth that no one else can!
bladesofglory12 4 months ago
@bladesofglory12 When talking about Brian Keith is one side talking in a still, for him, ongoing conflict. He release every bit of bitterness he can and keep his true feelings to himself. He has shown them at times but it's rare. Anita never let him forget that she once was Brian's girl and when the love of your life says that you won't be happy. Anita's affair with Mick is also one of the reason why Keith attacks Mick in his book. Keith has "his" truth and it won't give you the whole picture.
atticthoughts 4 months ago
@atticthoughts My opinions are not coming from Keith's book, thanks. They're coming from everything.
bladesofglory12 4 months ago
@bladesofglory12 "Everything" is usually based on what Keith has to say about the blond boy anyway. There are a few books whos writers actually bothered to look up and listen to people who aren't biased but lived or/and worked closely with Brian at times during the 60's. Bill Wyman's book "Stone Alone" is a good start. They show that even if Brian wasn't an angel by any means (drug addicts can be a pain in the a**) he was human with more sides to him than one.
atticthoughts 4 months ago
@atticthoughts Yes, 'Stone alone' is a very good book. In my opinion Bill Wyman paints a balanced picture and is even self-crititcal in this book.
MissPoitier 4 months ago
@atticthoughts Okay, I feel you're getting a bit full of yourself and you're putting words in my mouth, which I do not like. Never said there was only on side to Brian, not blaming it all completely on him. I could go on forever, but this discussion is getting real old, real fast, so bye!
bladesofglory12 4 months ago
@bladesofglory12 Sorry you couldn't handle it. Yes, I'm bit full of myself - but not as much as Brian, Mick and Keith. Bye!
atticthoughts 4 months ago
@bladesofglory12 One more thing (I won't be a dick this time. ;) ): No, you never said that. I'm sorry if you feel that I put words in your mouth. You pushed my button with the words "Keith" and "truth" in the same sentence since I have had that discussion a million times already. People tend to make the story about Brian and the Stones very easy and one sided. Not many are well read on the other side of who the blond boy was. It's my loss that you don't want continue the discussion. Peace!
atticthoughts 4 months ago
Brian ended up how he did due to how he was side lined in the band by those two wankers Jagger and Richards, who basically took over the band that Brian Jones formed.
stollingrone 4 months ago 2
It's impossible to have a guy such as brian in a band, it's a fact, there's one time you can't do anything about it, he didn't show to the sessions, didn't go to concerts etc etc
therbritan 4 months ago
Brian could be a dickhead as they all could. But, he didn't show up to the sessions and didn't do concerts anymore..he got too much into drugs and alcohol and became bigheaded, self absorbed and acted like he knew everything. Keith and Mick acted like dicks towards him because they were fed up.
Brian had a great talent, but let fame get to his head. What Keith said is the truth.
End of story.
bladesofglory12 5 months ago
@bladesofglory12 "bigheaded, self absorbed and acted like he knew everything" You mean just like Mick? The glimmers acting like dicks because they were fed up is only one part of the truth. They had been bullying him since 1964. It's however true that Brian was a dick but they were all dicks and two (three with Oldham) against one is never fair.
atticthoughts 4 months ago
@atticthoughts Mick was never, ever like that until the 80's came around, so I don't know what you're talking about. And I never said it was fair. I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just posting my opinions.
bladesofglory12 4 months ago
@bladesofglory12 I'd suggest you read some interviews with Jagger from the 60's and see for yourself or read what Marianne has to say about him. Mick and Brian wasn't so different from each other on that part. The main difference was that Mick had full control of himself while Brian didn't. Heck, I thought it was common knowledge that these big cats Jagger/Richards, Lennon/McCartney, Morrison, Dylan and what have you were self absorbed and bigheaded!? They weren't nice and tidy people.
atticthoughts 4 months ago
The Rolling Stones was formed by Brian with Ian Stewart on keys..then Mick, Keef and Charlie signed on...pity how it worked out (for Brian)
MDProdTV 5 months ago
You can never underestimate Brian Jones.
He didn’t have the song writing skills of Jagger and Richards, but he had something which must have pissed off Jagger looks.
Brian Jones was the face of the Stones up till about 1967 and then his lifestyle took its toll.
If you have any doubt about who was the centre of attention, check out the album covers prior to 67’.
Instead of helping him, they just acted like a pair of wankers.
lawlers69 5 months ago 2
Just finished reading a highly regarded book about the Stones. My take on this is that Brian was a confused kid but also a spiteful little man who beat women and abandoned his kids - even calling both his illegitimate sons Julian for a laugh.
Mick and Keith, whilst hardly better, had the talent to write songs. Brian was entirely incapable of doing so and when Anita left him for Keith, the game, and in many ways Brian's life was up.
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Azure701 5 months ago
Don't fool yourself.
Like it or not... Jagger & Richards were the Rolling Stones.
Philtration 5 months ago 2
@Philtration THANK YOU
bladesofglory12 5 months ago
@Philtration Absolutely! Brian who? Lol.
gr8vibes2 4 months ago
@Philtration The statement is very incorrect. The proper sentence would be: Like it or not... Jagger & Richards were the Rolling Stones after Brian Jones passed away. No Brian Jones = no Rolling Stones. The man made many musical contributions to their sound and, for Christ's sake, got the name and their first gig!
xDeadMisfitsx 3 months ago
@xDeadMisfitsx Yes, Brian was important to the band in the beginning but he was never the focus and that became more and more obvious as the years went by.
The Stones were far better musically when Mick Taylor replaced Brian.
Philtration 3 months ago 2
@Philtration He was the focus due to it being his band in the beginning, but since Jagger and Richards were writing songs, the focus changed. Musically? Well, maybe guitar-wise, but Taylor couldn't do half the shit Brian Jones knew how to play.
xDeadMisfitsx 3 months ago
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@xDeadMisfitsx Taylor couldn't do half the shit Brian Jones knew how to play.?
Come on now.
That is just getting silly to make a point that you liked Brian Jones.
I liked him too but let's not pretend that he was a better guitar player than Taylor or that he was a bigger part of the Stones than Mick or Keith.
Brian lost his way.
He is not the first or the last rock star to do so.
Philtration 3 months ago
I heard Keith tried to relieve himself on the coffin.
Metaphoid 6 months ago
Brian could take a mediocre song and turn it into a hit, true, but it was always Mick and Keith that made sure the hard work of writing/arranging songs was done. Furthermore, it's not that hard to understand the unsympathetic attitude M & K has regarding Brian's contribution. Brian followed his own path as a member of Stones, not the Stones. Whereas M & K seems to have worked for the benefit of Stones.
perfuzz 6 months ago
@perfuzz The glimmers wrote the songs but the whole band did the arrangements. Mick and Keith worked for the benefit of their own i.e the holy Jagger/Richards and in the mid 60's they treated Brian, Stu, Bill and Charlie as session men. It was lust for money and power that made it happend.
atticthoughts 6 months ago
@atticthoughts - Na... if that were true they would have gone M & K. M & K did what the Stones needed to be top 5 in the world. Brian on the other hand was lucky find himself in the same recording studio. Every now and then he stumbled over something interesting and M & K generously sided their egos.
perfuzz 6 months ago
@perfuzz There are plenty of stories about the glimmers that show that they weren't nice guys. Read Wyman's Stone Alone for starters. The glimmers provided the material but every member made it what it was. Brian's early efforts to get them together and struggle to make something out of them was what made the rest possible. Without that - no studio recording at all. Without his later instrumental addings the Stones would have been another british r&b band from the 60's. Put it all in context.
atticthoughts 6 months ago 3
@atticthoughts - Well I don't give a mediocre bas players, who's talent were sided by the glimmers, self grandiose book that mush importance. Brian, Bill and Charlie just happened to be on the same bandwagon. By the way I never said that K & M were or are nice. Oh by the way, most of the stuff I hear about Brian is that he was, let me quote you "weren't nice". About Brian's genius or what you like to call it. It's possible that he would have sued M & K later if he lived, like Matthew Fisher did.
perfuzz 6 months ago
@perfuzz Bill's talent as a bass player has got nothing to do with what he saw and felt during his time inside the band . To deny his side of the story shows that you're not interested in anything other than what the glimmers say anyway and then I'm wasting my time here.. Yes, Mick and Keith wrote the songs but they wouldn't have sounded like they did without the others. Brian sure had his darker sides. But they all had that - except for Charlie I guess.
atticthoughts 6 months ago 4
@atticthoughts - Eh, my last post, I meant like Matthew Fisher did with whiter shade of pale.
perfuzz 6 months ago
@atticthoughts Brian also wrote songs but the Glimmers didn't want them. According to Wyman, Brian's former girl friend Linda Lawrence among others.
MissPoitier 4 months ago 2
@MissPoitier Aleksis Korner, Marianne Faithful Janie Perrin and Shirley Arnold says so as well. But saying so here is like dropping a gas truck in heavy fire. As one put it below: "What Keith said is the truth.". If that is what people want to believe then that's it. You can't force anyone to read something else that gives a more objective take on things. In their minds Keith was the only one who knew Brian and his take is that Brian was horrible (despite what he has said before). End of story
atticthoughts 4 months ago
@atticthoughts As always: The winner writes the history. And stupid people do not question anything or have a second look on BOTH sides of a story. Sad. :(
MissPoitier 4 months ago 2
@MissPoitier True. Brian will always be "the Monster" when the truth is that he was a pretty regular but very insecure guy that got hooked on alcohol and drugs. It's sad that especially Keith keep the good stories to himself as they were close and had lots of fun together (look at photos). It would have brought some balance. Brian was liked by many despite his mix of polite rudeness, humor and paranoia. He was an arse at times but they all were.
atticthoughts 4 months ago
Jagger and Richards wrote songs, Jones didn't............
Chillyfretlesswilly 6 months ago
@Chillyfretlesswilly Fail !
MissPoitier 4 months ago 2
I think "You can't always get what you want" and "honky tonk woman" weren't the best songs to put in this video... It talks about the Master's Funeral, please!
chokicou 7 months ago 3
brian couldnt handle the banter because he couldnt handle the drugs...brian would beat anita because the drugs made him paranoid and that pushed her to keith...it was an era of drug experiment and keith brian and anita were on it...brian couldnt handle it....he was ok about splitting from the band ..he had been asked to write a score for a film...i think he wasnt strong mentally although he was a brilliant artist...he was insecure with being part of a band...
ellie11000 7 months ago
@ellie11000 When Brian and Anita fought Brian didn't know what he was doing. But Anita knew exactly what she was doing. Anita knew that she had the upperhand and used that for mind games. People who knew them say that Anita loved to drive Brian into a complete rage even though she knew what would happend. She would get punched and then when he least expected it she gave back and Brian is also supposed to have had his fair share of black eyes. One time she hit him with a telephone.
atticthoughts 7 months ago 3
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More than likely he was murdered by Anita Pallenberg, Jimmy Page and Anton LaVey in a SATANIC RITUAL with Roman Polanski filming it all
BountyBarObama666 8 months ago
Brian did have a huge fan base but got messed up on acid and other drugs which hampered his playing and reliability to the rest of the band. Because of his drug problem and with the law he was basically going to lose his work visa to the USA which is ultimately why he was kicked out.
Dean100able 9 months ago
@Dean100able It wasn't just the drugs. Brian wanted out as well but didn't have the guts to do so. The records show that he could play though. He never lost that.
atticthoughts 8 months ago 2
@att: He did lose it to a great extent: When Brian's stuff was left on a Stones record, of course it was good, but less & less of his work had been making the cut. Brian often wasn't able to play at all, forcing Keith to overdub many 2nd guitar parts. This was the core issue Keith had with Brian: Keith thought, (correctly), that the true Stones guitar sound was the two of them interacting live.
lazur1 7 months ago 2
@lazur1 The funny thing about Brian's last contributions in 68 are that most them are kept very low in the mix or can only be heard thanks to bleed through from phones or other microphones. There's nothing wrong with his playing but "they" still decided to keep him out. We don't know much of what he actually recorded that didn't make it to release. That said there were indeed times when he was so full of depression, pills and booze that he couldn't play. Sad.
atticthoughts 7 months ago
@atticthoughts All you say is true, but add: His contributions were sparse.
lazur1 7 months ago
@lazur1 I'd say that the Stones became a true two guitar band in 68. In the beginning Brian was just as much a harmonica player as he was a guitarist and in the mid 60's his multiintrumentalism fitted perfectly with the various styles that the glimmers experimented with. In 68 the sound changed and Brian didn't fit anymore as a musician as he wouldn't have been happy to stay as just a guitar player. There was no room for his recorders, dulcimer and mellotrons anymore.
atticthoughts 7 months ago
@a:Keith says opposite: He talks of hours they spent creating an intermingling of playing into 1 guitar sound, unplayable by 1 guitarist. Keith felt that Mick Taylor was great , but they played distinctly separate roles, didn't fit together into that 1 sound . / You're right but backwards: Stones' changed because Keith was playing all the guitar parts, because Brian wasn't able. A great recorder or dulcimer idea would've been welcome, but the bulk of a Stones set was always 2 guitars.
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rstp78 9 months ago
sad
EdLoves2sample 10 months ago
Brian isn't here anymore to tell his side of the story...Just something to keep in mind.
Rustina61 10 months ago 3
Why the FUCK did they cut the last piece of keith's interview?
TheWoud 10 months ago
It takes only a few old fogies to play great 'classics' for 40 years, but a true mastermind to create, write, and produce material for these fat-heads to reap the benefits of for decades. I love the Rolling Stones, but after suing for every penny of the 'Bittersweet Symphony', a song none of the living members even owned, but stole from Brian Jones, I couldn't do it anymore. It doesn't take a scientist to see the alchemy of Rolling Stones existed within a few years, purely because of Jones.
thommer88 10 months ago
Brian = somtimes a dick, Keith = Dickhead, Mick = Arrogant Dickhead, Anita = Cunt that needed slapped
MrGeltabs 10 months ago 27
@MrGeltabs They were and are rock stars, in fact, rock legends, of course they behaved differently, sometimes we think, how can you be suck an asshole! Fame and drugs change people and Brian was really messed up. And it's always the same about dead rock musician's girlfriends/wives, they are always judged and said "How could you let him die, you bitch"! "You ruined him!" "Fuck you!" (like Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love) So, don't be that judgemental, I mean, we didn't know him personally.
ffxx135 9 months ago
@ffxx135 True, but I've read enough about Brian to know that Anita wasn't good for him. Mick would agree with me on that. She wasn't very good for Keith either but he never lost control. You can't blame the guys because they were in love - in love with a controlling and manipulative bitch. Brian was the easy target being who he was
atticthoughts 8 months ago 2
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Definitely agree. Anita wasn't good for Brian nor Keith for that matter. And you can hear it in her voice and see it in her face that she isn't really a good person. I think she's really the only girl whose been with a Rolling Stone that I genuinely don't like.
MysteryMusic1000 8 months ago 2
Keith and Mick are assholes. they didn't even go to his funeral. What pricks!
anita is a bitch too..
TwistedSister09 10 months ago
Sorry elvis hitler Mandarin is not the most spoken language in the world!!!!!!!! Whoever gave you that 411 was an absolute BONEHEAD!!!
manjaganj 11 months ago
Richards' eyes look like he's out there in la-la-land...the guy with 'faraway eyes'.
pcollenYT 11 months ago
MOST of my favorite Stones songs were written with Brian Jones in the band. He was so fucking creative, and brought so much extra sound to the Stones. Everything after him was missing that ingredient.
staphinfection 1 year ago 2
@staphinfection An ingredient that made them survive and prosper as musicians and artists. Brian was already out of the band. He could have done other things but he needed medical help and nobody helped him. He died! Apparently it happens to all of us?
andy65guitar 11 months ago
is this hitler doing the voice over?
elvishitler 1 year ago
@elvishitler
You don't know the difference between german language and the dutch language?
vivemaker 1 year ago
@vivemaker
Hitler was Austrian. He just spoke German
MrCeej9999 1 year ago
@MrCeej9999
I was not talking about Hitler , but the language.
Good day.
vivemaker 1 year ago
@MrCeej9999 he's talking dutch -_-
Blottercow 11 months ago
@vivemaker no i don't. i'm an american. don't need to know anything other then english--which has become the universal language.
elvishitler 1 year ago
@elvishitler "i'm an american" was all you needed to say. Anyone in Europe will understand what you're really saying, and probably make allowances for your xenophobic, ignorant remarks.
Jay3S2 1 year ago
@Jay3S2 like i give a fuck what anyone in europe thinks? asswipe.
elvishitler 1 year ago
@elvishitler and again... same old american shit from a dumb redneck who couldn't find europe if it was tattooed on his ass. fuck you.
Jay3S2 11 months ago
@elvishitler you re a very ignorant man,mandarin is the most spoken language in the world
bet they didnt teach you that in your trailer park
daveys3379 11 months ago
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@elvishitler you re a very ignorant man,mandarin is the most spoken language in the world
bet they didnt teach you that in your trailer park
daveys3379 11 months ago
This tard took the footage from the 25x5 video and dubbed different music over it. Lame.
lBStrokin 1 year ago
R.I.P Brian
Very poorly treated by Mick and Keith.............Very poorly indeed.
toby099 1 year ago 6
@toby099 He never turned up, Keith had to learn all his parts and incorporate them into one piece. Brian would be 'sick' and then turn up at a club. That's fact. You weren't there to say shit like that. They put up with Brians bullshit for 4 years before they had enough. He would never turn up, Phil Spector would play Brians parts on some shit because he just wouldn't turn up. Playin' with fire is a good example of that. Stop talking shit. He was treated as you'd treat someone who lets you down
Motownisyourtown 1 year ago
@Motownisyourtown Brian did show up at times and when he did show up they ignored him and even told their producer to tell him to fuck off. That is fact. Brian was sick at that time with depression and paranoia and the reason he went to clubs was that he knew that they would bully him if he showed up in the studio. Brian also put up with Mick and Keith's BS for years. They werent any better towards him. Brian was treated like pure shit. You are just defending Keith here based on what Keith say.
atticthoughts 1 year ago 29
@atticthoughts And you know all this for certain, how? Were you in the studio with them ?
luckysilviano 11 months ago
@luckysilviano No, of course not. The things I wrote is nothing new and it has been told over and over from people who were there with them. There's a lot of fact out there that hasn't been based on Keith's one sided bashing. Search and you will find. Brian wasn't innocent of course - he could be a real bastard. But to just blame him for the shit inside the Stones is plain stupid. Facts say otherwise and even the glimmers have admit that they weren't nice to him.
atticthoughts 11 months ago
@atticthoughts Brian was sick because of his drugs taking and heavy drinking. He couldn't deal with it, like Keith could. Brian was most of the time a pain in the ass. He wasn't very nice, and refused to play electric guitar the last couple of years. But I agree that Mick and Keith could bully Brian, which was also not nice. The fact that Brian's guitar was not plugged in during the Rock and Roll Circus, and Godards film during Sympathy for the devil is very painful to watch. He deserved better.
robin14669 10 months ago
@robin14669 Brian also had asthma and mental issues. But yes, the drugs aged his body and made him an even more difficult guy than he was without them. He could be a pain in the ass but it has been exaggerated by the glimmers and people loyal to them. Lucky for us there were other people who knew Brian who can give us a more balanced view of him today. Brian wasn't innocent at all but he wasn't the only one with a big ego in that band. The glimmers were a-holes towards him as well and know it.
atticthoughts 10 months ago
@atticthoughts I think the glimmers (Mick & Keith) had a lot of patience with Brian, because his contributions to Stones sessions during 1967-69 were sparse. Of course there were a lot of ego's in the band, but they were young men in their twenties. Brian became more paranoia and sick because of his addictions. Keith stole Anita Pallenberg from Brian, which made him very bitter and isolated in the band. But like I said, he deserved better. He was in general a good guy and very intelligent.
robin14669 10 months ago
@robin14669 I wouldn't say that his adding to the songs were sparse in 67-68. I'd say that he saved a lot of Their Satanic Majesties with his mellotron, brass and recorder works. Brian never liked that album but still met up a lot with Keith and Nicky Hopkins at the studio to work out the music. That's pretty loyal. It's also said that he loved working on Beggars Banquet and IMHO his addings show that. Sadly, the drug busts destroyed him. Other than that I agree with you.
atticthoughts 10 months ago
@robin14669 Brian guitar was plugged in at the RnR Circus but it is very low in the mix on the official version. I've never understood why since he plays just fine. He also plays good in the Godard film but for some reason they decided to not include his bit in the final version.
You could also argue that Brian made himself remembered by playing other instruments than the guitar and that he always played guitar live. Brian always played a lot of harmonica as well leaving Keith alone anyway.
atticthoughts 10 months ago
@atticthoughts I never heard Brian's parts in the Rock and Roll Circus (except voor No expectations) and Godards film. As you know, Brian secretly made a deal of extra money in the early days of The Stones, because he considered himself as the leader of the band. That sort of things really isolated him in the band. Brians personality changed dramatically when the Stones rose to fame, and he couldn't handle it. But his musicianship was incredible diverse and very important for The Stones.
robin14669 10 months ago
@robin14669 Yes he did and paid for it for the rest of his time in the band. I guess Keith's still pissed about it today. It's a bit weird that the glimmers say that Brian never was the leader but still allowed him to act like one. Brian got the gigs and the publicity in the early days and was their spokesman. When it was time to tell Stu that he couldn't be a member like the rest they sent Brian to do it. Brian's isolation also came because he was so sensitive - an easy target for bad jokes.
atticthoughts 10 months ago
@atticthoughts Brian was too sensitive, that's true. And Mick and Keith bullied him, like they did with Bill Wyman for a while. When the drug and drinking wasn't a big part of Brian's life, he could easily demand his place in The Stones as the most gifted musician in the band. Like he did on Aftermath, that's Brians album. His problem was: he couldn't write songs. But he did wrote the music for Ruby Tuesday with Keith. Great song.
robin14669 10 months ago 2
@robin14669 I think Brian was too much of a musician to write songs with commercial value. His score for A Degree of Murder and love for ethnic music shows that he had another quality and talents for other kinds of music instead. He did show the band "bits and pieces" that he had composed (such as the rumour about Ruby Tuesday) and maybe some of those would make it in to songs without him getting credit for it? Bill say that he himself did just that but never got any credit. Taylor as well.
atticthoughts 10 months ago
@atticthoughts They kept on trying to be freinds with him again in the late 60s and he ignored them and beat Anita. Read Keith's new book Life.
DJDansound 9 months ago
@DJDansound I have read "Life" and it's nothing more than bitter history revisionism from a sad old man when it comes to Brian. Anita is the big reason for it. I like 1970's Keith a lot better. The glimmers and Brian were friends all along in their own twisted way. There was no "trying" - only good and bad times. Brian didn't beat Anita in the late 60's as she was with Keith. But you do know that she still defend Brian and used him to taunt Keith when they fought? She wasn't an angel.
atticthoughts 9 months ago
@atticthoughts what does mick and keith's BS stand for in ur comment ???o.o
arealOpia1991 8 months ago
@arealOpia1991 They played games with Brian that weren't very nice and made a lot of hurtful remarks that Brian took hard. The Stones was a pretty tough club to be in (always has) and since Brian was a very sensitive guy they used that against him in any way they could. I'm not saying that he himself was "poor little Brian". But the guy did have some kind of psychological problem among other things and they knew that. I don't blame them for being pissed on him but the bullying didn't help a bit.
atticthoughts 8 months ago 14
@atticthoughts
This is pure myth. Not supported by any first hand accounts.
The truth is, as soon as Jones got very famous, he got hopelessly hooked on hard drugs, and surrounded himself with nasty, abusive, idiot friends.
Jagger in particular spent years trying to get rid of these people from his life. He even wrote a song about it, where he compared them to "flies" around meat, and how he was "unable to get them off".
PacquiaoEPO 6 months ago
@PacquiaoEPO I've read "first hand accounts" for 12 years and found nothing that supports what you say about Jagger. It's however true that Brian had some idiot friends that came as a side effect with the alcohol and the drugs. But that Jagger tried to get rid of them? Nah, why would he even care to do that? I bet Keith knew those guys too.
atticthoughts 6 months ago
Brian Jones died, in a pool, surrounded by these people. None of them helped him. And there's strong evidence that these "friends" were probably responsible for his death.
As I said, Jagger and Richards spent years trying to help him out, but he wouldn't get these people out of his life. And it eventually killed him.
Jones was kicked out, as he refused to dump these people, and refused to help himself. And his refusal to help himself killed him
PacquiaoEPO 6 months ago
@PacquiaoEPO Brian Jones may very well have died in the pool on his own. We don't know much really - just rumours and most of that shit comes from Keylock. Keith has said that Brian could be a bastard but not so much so that somebody would want him dead. Jones wasn't "kicked out". It was a mutual agreement. Brian wanted out and the band wanted him out of the same reason - Brian wasn't interested in being a Rolling Stone anymore. If you want me to believe you then you got to bring some proof.
atticthoughts 6 months ago
@atticthoughts Brian was kicked out of the band. There is no mistaking that. When they went to Cotchford they let Brian decide how he wanted it to be handled in the press. I think that's the misconception because the statement that was released from Brian was that he wasn't entirely happy with the records they were cutting, which may be true...but Mick and Keith forced the issue.
daniellaoalsson 6 months ago 2
@daniellaoalsson It's true that Mick and Keith forced the issue but it had to happend. I mean even Brian knew that it couldn't go on and he had been expecting that meeting for a long time. Even if they more or less forced him out he was fed up with it. He still considered the Stones to be his band but knew that he had lost control and with that his interest in it. It's often said that the Stones already had moved without Brian. But so had he. Forming a new band was what he wanted to do.
atticthoughts 6 months ago 2
@atticthoughts I agree that he wanted to form a new band but the reason was Jagger and Richards had completely taken over the musical direction of the Rolling Stones. He no longer had any input. Ry Cooder has said that during this time period Brian had been completely phased out of the band and when Brian did turn up to recording session he was belittled by Jagger about how he was a washed up musician. And this is not even mentioning that Keith was still banging Anita.
daniellaoalsson 6 months ago 2
@daniellaoalsson In 67/68 the power struggle had really come to an end. A lot of people have given their stories about how Brian was ignored, mocked and told to f**k off when he came down to the sessions. 1968 started great but became hell and while the glimmers had been supportive during the second bust they soon lost patience and became a-holes again. Brian could still play though but the alcohol made him unrealible. I think that they could have been way nicer but Brian needed serious help.
atticthoughts 6 months ago 2
@Motownisyourtown Keith and Mick are assholes. They didn't go to his funeral. They're stuck up pricks.
I feel for Brian not those conceited twats.
TwistedSister09 10 months ago 2
@Motownisyourtown They didn't want him to turn up.
MissPoitier 4 months ago
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Brian Jones - Lewis Brian Hopkin Jones (28 February 1942 -- FOREVER)
ihadadreamcrazydream 1 year ago
Change the title twat, Keith and Mick didn't go to Brians funeral.
kazraz72 1 year ago 3
I went to the house where Brian died (or was murdered depending on your view) this year. Then on to Keiths 'redlands' pad that he bought in '66. Think of all the stuff that happened there!
kazraz72 1 year ago
@kazraz72 I envy you!
atticthoughts 1 year ago
Ya gotta wonder if Keith had any idea that he would still be around and rockin into his seventies.
winddancer1562 1 year ago
machs gut du nutzloser frauen schläger.....
Jimmy9687 1 year ago
What is saying keith ?
tbag010 1 year ago
@tbag010 That it was a shock to hear Brain died but that he wasn't suprised. I think he knew with the lifestyle of Brain he would die at age.
polpollol 1 year ago
1969,1970,1971 Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison. All 27 years old. It must've been a tragedy to see all those geniuses go :(
colosalblack 1 year ago 4
@colosalblack Also, Duane Allman at 24 in 1971. I saw him perform for the last time in Alabama a few months before he died. Incredible losses. Others who easily might have died finally got off of hard drugs (i.e. Brian Wilson, Eric Clapton, Keith Richards) and are still thriving today.
LesbianVampireLover 1 year ago
keiths interview bit at the end, where is that from? id like to see the whole thing...
port10483 1 year ago
Almost better that he will always be remembered at his best -- if he had cleaned up, would now be an old dried up guy. Sometimes the dynamics of a team or company is more important than the skillsets...BJ maybe just couldn't fit in, like Mick Taylor. It's tough being an idol, eh?
neverindoubt 1 year ago
Keith is actually dead, too. You've all heard of "sleep walking", right?? Keith is "dead walking".
B7aug5 1 year ago
he was junky and this is a reason of death..in this time all rock stars used drugs even rolling stones.
MrTamerlan1980 1 year ago
There was a confession from Frank who was the only one last seen with Brian that night at the pool more info at
brianJoinesFanClub . Com
lightsofrose 1 year ago
@lightsofrose I've got Wohlin's book. I think she's probably telling the truth. Who knows, cos I don't trust anyone anymore. But her account was just too simple and logical to be dismissed as bitter hysterics. The culture clash between Thorogood and Jones would've been more abrupt back then. I can just imagine a man like that snapping at a boy like Jones.
Noodles37UK 1 year ago
@lightsofrose according to Tom Keylock.
MissPoitier 5 months ago 2
Keith: "You're not going to be 70 years old either..." Look out Keith, who knew???
quad1000 1 year ago
Someone killed him.
mjazzguitar 1 year ago 2
There are people that you know will never live to seventy and then there is Keef , to cool and to quick for the grim reaper................
tonechaser56 1 year ago
Let's face it, The Stones went to shit after Brian Jones died. They went from credible pop to ass shaking rock.
guinnesstrail 1 year ago
@guinnesstrail 2 or 3 albums with Taylor, then they should've packed it in after their 10th Anniversary, Exile.
Noodles37UK 1 year ago
This might sound like a silly question because the stones were so popular in the '60s but did people really know who Brian Jones was back then? Like if the name Brian Jones was said in the '60s would most people know who that was? Brian, Bill, and Charlie just seem like the kind of guys to me who were out of the public image.
ESPguitarist1969 1 year ago
@ESPguitarist1969 People definitely knew who Brian Jones was back in the 60's. He was just as popular as Mick Jagger among fans during the 60's and Mick hated it.
Brian was also the spokesman of the band right in the beginning. He named them and worked his ass off for them to make it.
atticthoughts 1 year ago 5
@atticthoughts didn't keith name them?
GAL1817 1 year ago
@GAL1817 No, Brian Jones formed the Rolling Stones with Stu and Charlie Watts. He also named them while phoning Jazz News to place an advertisement. When asked what the band's name was, Jones glanced at a Muddy Waters LP lying on the floor of which one of the tracks was "Rollin' Stone
atticthoughts 1 year ago 2
I really dig the early Stones more so then the later stuff/ RIP Brian
Timothy27001 1 year ago 2
Brian was the most rebellious out of all of the Stones.... he really set a standard for the other guys to follow... in the early days of the band, Jones was it.
tedcantu1 1 year ago 3
un grande el sr. jones, se caretearon mick y keith por no ir al velorio, pero para ellos, brian ya habia muerto hace rato. una lastima
fraancostone79 1 year ago
RIP BJ !
tinnigeimgengill 1 year ago
My take. . the Stones changed when Brian left. It was his influence that made it happen (just my take on how the music changed through time).
74LesPaul 1 year ago
Obviously Keith did it.
daweller 1 year ago
3 july. 1971 jim morrison - 3 july 1969 .brian jones GREAT MANS.....R.I.P
TheTtomo 1 year ago
3 srpnja. today is deat brian....1969..R.I.P.
TheTtomo 1 year ago
Keith says, 'you know that about some people...you get the feeling they're not going to be 70 years old. - yeah Keith, we've all felt that way about you. Thanks for proving us wrong!
Sincopare 1 year ago
@Sincopare whatever man i knew he was going to make it hes just a diffrent view on life then most of us.
crackernumber2 1 year ago 2
i mean i know its meant to be sad but Keef Looks hot in this lol :P
MrsHarrison21Xxx 1 year ago
love keith's hair in this
mackinasack 1 year ago
whats the name of the song?
TheCvz123 1 year ago
@TheCvz123 you cant always get what you wand ...and honky tonk woman
laspenasdelfenix 1 year ago
sad sad sad </3
:(
kyannac21 1 year ago 2
why were charlie and bill the only stones at his funeral?
chrismarshall1950 1 year ago 2
rolling stones are the best band ever
wildcat131313 1 year ago
i have a nice video , a unreleased track by brian jones and the stones, it's called brian's blues ( stewe and keefed ) chek it out on my profile, and leave a message
thnks
JimiHendrixFeyenoord 1 year ago
I have a feeling Keef is going to make it to 70 and past. Guy's a machine. A drug loving machine.
emerpus01 1 year ago
@emerpus01 Do you remember that Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns was told he had every disease known to man and then some, and they were like little plush dolls pushed against a door, so they all blocked each other and couldn't get through, so that's why Burns never succumbed to them - that's what Keith Richards is like, as far as drugs
demravager 1 year ago
rolling stones lost its charm past 68,
partly because of rise of LED ZEPP and partly because of departure Brain form the band
vivek17s2004 2 years ago 2
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Inuyasha21991 2 years ago
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I still say that Mick and Keith did it. Mick did the deed while Keith, his jagged henchman, kept lookout at the forest-edge...
Ishhkabibble 2 years ago
To Our Friend Brian Jones..We LOVE You too Brian and miss you dearly.....You were such a kind and gentle sort and signed my Dads , "The Rolling Stones,"Between the Butons record in San Fracisco 1966...We still have for keeps...it says..Thank you very much David and Molly, Love Brian 1966. This record made our holidays and rekindled all the excitement of a Rollin' Stones show, of days gone by. Brian began the group, but then.... We Love Brian
mollymmorrissey 2 years ago 6
mmh, but keith is still a handsome guy at this video.
I feel sorry for Brian's dead. R.I.P
LearnMeHowToFly 2 years ago
@LearnMeHowToFly . IT LOOKS THAT MANY WERE IMPLIED IN THIS DEATH. ROLLING STONES AGREED TO PAY HIM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY WHILE THE BAND WOULD BE WORKING
marinasvetaeva01 2 years ago
The look in Keith's eyes really freaks me out, sorry...
LearnMeHowToFly 2 years ago
in my opinion he suicide
ovelonse 2 years ago
It was homicide not suicide PERIOD
pearldrummr86 2 years ago 4
Remember true music lovers jagger and oor keef fucked Brian Jones out of his own band and our keef stole his girlfriend Brian Jones RIP .
cldnymakeitup 2 years ago 4
it's just the way it works - richards and jagger had the disproportionate share of songwriting talent. besides, would the stones have been better off limiting themselves as a blues-cover band as jones had wanted?
BrawnYawr 2 years ago
No, but don't believe that Mick and Keith wrote everything that has Jagger/Richards written on it. That was something Oldham decided because he wanted those two to be the Lennon/McCartney of the Rolling Stones. He regarded the other members as session musicians. So no matter what they did for the songs they wouldn't get any credit for it. Mick and Keith didn't complain since they got more money.
atticthoughts 2 years ago 3
You can't be serious
daniellaoalsson 1 year ago
Above comment is in refernce to BrawnYawr.TOTALLY off-base.
daniellaoalsson 1 year ago