Elizabeth Tudor Mary Queen of Scots

[SpringSummer2010]

I bet Elizabeth Tudor wasn't as forthright as she is often portrayed.

[telamon2011]

If you noticed when Paulet tells Elizabeth that Mary was wearing a wig with all white hair underneath, Elizabeth's anger diminishes a bit. She was always jealous of the beauty that Mary (nine years younger) possessed, as well as the fact that it was she and not Elizabeth who had been praised as the fashion trendsetter among European queens.

[MagdaPowerTrap]

is this glenda jackson playing elizabeth tudor?

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

@MagdaPowerTrap yes

[Hattaru]

@JeunFost I am so glad that you got it!!!, I do like Elizebeth but she was not inoccent, not at all, she saw Mary as a threat and she acted on it!!!. but you can say this that everthing in Elizebeths reign was all thanks to her parents "The Sins Of the Parents" one Spain did not like Elizebeth because she was prod just like her mother, and also what they did to Queen Cathrine of A, so she had that to deal with. Elizebeth was not at all inoccent and I wish people can see that.

[Hattaru]

I do remember somthing of this!!!, when he spoke about Mary still beging alive, even when they choped off her head, I remember somthing and reading somthing that, when the man did chop of her head, her head was still dagaling form the body, it was so terrifing because the lips did move!! I read something that they had to get a knife and cut the rest of her neck off, because the ax was not enough, oh how horrible!!!. death by ax or sword it truly was a horrible death to come by.

[racheal781]

@Hattaru burning is way worse it takes way longer to die

[faithoffaith]

lol chop chop

[DarlingNikki2]

When she talked of the worms and other parasites eating at her cousin's flesh, all I could think of was, thank God for embalming and sealed graves!

[telamon2011]

@DarlingNikki2

Well, as a rule, executed persons were not embalmed, as they were buried only minutes after the execution. However, this is where a bit of inaccuracy makes its way into this episode. Because she had been a reigning queen in her own right (not a spouse like Anne Boleyn or Catherine Howard), Mary WAS embalmed by order of Elizabeth, and from some accounts, her head reattached to her body. Her son, James I, would later have her corpse transferred to Westminster Abbey.

[geoffpeterstrio]

great acting! which film is this from?

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

@geoffpeterstrio It's a 6-Part TV series, BBC Elizabeth R (1970)

[geoffpeterstrio]

@GeneLovesClassic1980 thanks

[delarayman]

Kill a queen, and all queens are mortal...

[Strefanash]

now there was one of the BEST actor portrayals of Elizabeth I, Glenda Jackson.

as to the ignorant butcher who beheaded Mary, FOR SHAME.

Eilzabeth was terrified of the precedent executing a monarch would create, (consider Charles I in 1649); she was terrified that an invasion would be launched, which it was ; and she had an exalted view of monarchs, being one herself. Hence the tears.

she wanted a secret assassination not an execution.

[Messylin]

Everything is coming out of Elizabeth here - everything about Mary, Catherine Howard... and her mother.

[chocolatefountain95]

Elizabeth Tudor really knows how to send someone on a guilt trip

[happybkwrm]

Mary was a fool. When she arrived in Scotland, she was considered a virtuous widow. Only a few years later, she (by her own stupid mistakes) was considered an adulteress and a murderer and had to flee for her life from the SCOTS, who wanted her dead.

What was Elizabeth supposed to do when Mary barged into England? Most monarchs would have killed her right then. Scotland wouldn't take Mary back. Her own son refused to take her back when he was old enough; he didn't want to share the throne.

[313pookie313]

....is this an oscar award performance of what? Glenda was magnificent!

[Alican17b]

Yes she cried afther her death but stolen her juwels and waer it self i dont believe for the good memory of her cousine

[strawberrysmile22]

you uploaded this on my birthday! XDXD!

[JESSJUSTJESS]

It also seems to me that Elizabeth and Catherine the Great were forced to contend with counselors who knew the necessity of removing rivals and had to find a way around their mistress' desire not to bloody their hands.

[JESSJUSTJESS]

Obviously there is the process of "romanticizing" and we can only surmise at the personal reasons or emotional states of historical figures, but they would exist along side their political necessities. Elizabeth was a person as well. Fortunately we have numerous written documents. However, it would be reasonable to believe that since she knew her personal writings would be read they could be a deliberate shaping.

[TCall2004]

Mary had to be one of the stupidest women in history.

One bad choice after another.

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

this proves that it takes more than noble/royal blood to become Queen. She gotta have brains & wits too!!!!

[SALeppard]

@TCall2004 your comments really show how little you know about Queen Mary, she was betrayed by all including Elizabeth, why we ask? because Mary was the legitmate and rightful Queen of Scotland and England, Elizabeth was the illegitimate daughter of that harlot Anne Boleyn and that equally horrendous Henry VIIi, who at least had the decency to decale Elixabeth was a bastard, which oddly enough Elizabeth Never disputed even when she usurped Mary's English throne

[BillDFC]

@SALeppard Very true,plus the fact that Mary refused to denounce her faith as a catholic at a time when the reformed faith had replaced it as the" official" religion.

[1st503rdSGT]

@TCall2004 Mary was the Paris Hilton to Elisabeth's Margret Thacher. Good Queen Bess was DOPE.

[criznueve]

@TCall2004 Mary was the polar opposite of Elizabeth. Mary was all heart and Elizabeth was all head.

[TOTHC63609]

cut her nipples off and stick them up her nose

[mcmlxvi]

This is exactly why I am so againts the "romantization" of historical figures in films and plays. Elizabeth never knew her mother, she couldn't care less about her father excecuting her and she didn't "feel" guilty. Elizabeth was affraid of the international reaction to England excecuting an anointed Queen so violating the Divine Right of Kings, Spain, France and The Holy Roman Empire would have a legal basis to invade England, which in fact Spain tried to do for the following 16 years,

[ivansanchez98]

She might have not known her mother well or aware of all that happened to her! But she was fully aware of her mother's cousin, stepmother (Catherine Howard) who was beheaded as well. The killing of an annointed monarch was a fear that all rulers had (either Catholic or Protestant).

[gboleyn]

You can't say it's "romanticisation" when it's just accrediting them with basic human feelings! It's not true Elizabeth didn't care less about her mother: she commissioned the written defences of her by George Wyatt, through Lord Burghley. She also wore her mother's jewellery in various portraits, wore a ring with her mother's portrait and in 1555 told the Venetian ambassador how much she admired her mother's character. She also had a statue of her mother erected for her Coronation in 1559.

[Strefanash]

@mcmlxvi

exactly. i said the same things just now before noticing your post here.

[md991free]

My guess is that Queen Elizabeth, who was one of the greatest Monarch in history, wanted to go in the record for having felt great guilt of the execution of her cousin and heir.

[mcmlxvi]

Elizabeth didn't feel guilt about anything my friend, she was very affraid of the Spanish reaction to Queen Mary's excecution and very well funded fears since after the execution Spain sent its armada to capture her and kill her. She had very little money and no foreign support. She was a ruling queen of a country in development not a character in one of Shakespeare's plays, she didn't even meet Mary. It was all about politics, diplomacy and avoiding a war she could not affort, not "feelings".

[MaliceInWonderland04]

Elizabeth cry because is the true guilty of the assassination of her cousin, Mary Stuart, Queen of Scotland...

[Jaeqo]

why was elizabeth crying?

[GeneLovesClassic1980]

Cuz in the end, she did exactly what her father, Henry VIII, did. Behead a queen.

[SALeppard]

@GeneLovesClassic1980 Anne Boleyn was no true Queen a harlot who got her just deserts, she  reaped what she sewed

[1st503rdSGT]

@SALeppard Catherine of Argon was a dried up old bitch, and so was Bloody Mary.

[saygoodbyetofate]

@SALeppard youre a moron

[chocolatefountain95]

@GeneLovesClassic1980 Well at least she realised what she was doing before she executed two queens like Henry

[Ellendurer]

the way the execution went, five chops to cut her head, and then her mouth moved for over 14 minutes cut from her body, no one knew what she was trying to say. It was a cruel death for a Queen, and shocked Elizabeth as to how her death took place and all evidence burnted, including her cloths and removal of the blood.

[Bluemango123]

@Jaeqo

Fear of death, fear of Spain, sadness.

[coolbrian15]

shes nasty