@RobNorthampton Like how gays follow the same lines every time they debate:1]deflect(i.e. avoid the point made all together). 2] Shout you down and call you names.3] Consider all their own scientific evidence COMPLETELY credible while denouncing any science you offer as "junk science". or 4] Tell you that since you are anti gay you,in turn, MUST be a closet gay(and by golly they have the "credible" science to prove it.-You Rob did part of of #1.
And then the Christians and other religious people disregarded the video and pretended they were inside of a tiny bubble with their best imaginary friend Jesus, et al.
@dannyboyinspace Anything that occurs in nature can be described as 'natural', including rape. Whether it is welcome, either by an animal or another human is a different matter. However, rape is nothing to do with sexuality, because it can happen to an animal of any sexuality, including primates - even those that comment on youtube.
If you are simply trying to infer that sexuality is a choice in the same way that a rapist makes a choice, then your argument falls apart under weight of evidence.
@RobNorthampton Actually no what I'm saying is people conform to whatever society tells me. For example the sterotypical adult age of 18 is complete bullshit why shouldn't say a a man in his 20s and a 17 year old girl be able to love each other and have sex if its consensual I mean it would be seen as perfectly ok if she was 18 so why not 17? racism was seen as ok in the 50s now its not, homosexuality was not seen as ok in 80s but now it is. No opinion is right or wrong its just opinion.
@dannyboyinspace I agree with you that age of consent laws are odd, to say the least. Each country decides when their people are old enough to be a consenting adult. In the UK, the gay age of consent used to be 21. It has fallen over the years and is now 16 to bring it in line with heterosexual age of consent. It's a grey area, but I think we have to have some 'cut-off point' or paedophiles would be able to groom children with no comeback.
In the case of rape, I don't see how it can ever be accepted as a normal behaviour trait in society, because the person being raped is a victim, and is not consenting.
@RobNorthampton to add adulthood isn't reached by a number its reached with maturity, responisbility and behaviour turning 18 only encourages people to be less responsible as they have new priviledges like clubbing and gambling. I'm guess you're either for homosexual rights or are a homosexual therefore, I think you'll agree with me when I say all statutory rape laws are bigoted and idiotic As for the rape it should never be condoned as its hurting someone consensual sex doesnt hurt anyone
@RobNorthampton Even at 16 AOC doesn't make sense a 17 year old and 15 year old having consensual sex isn't nor should ever be considered a crime. Do you realise how many young people lives are ruined everyday by that bullshit? too many. I agree that prepubescent children should not be having sex however, in the case of teenagers if a court wants to charge someone they should have a psychiatrist test the younger person and see if they were capable of "giving consent" I guarantee majority are
@dannyboyinspace I agree with you. If teens are of a similar age and are responsible, I don't see why a law should stop them being together. They are going to do it anyway, regardless of A of C laws. I think it's more about protecting them from predators..
At the age of 24, I risked jail for 3 years because my partner was 18 when we moved in together, and the A of C was 21 at that time. They enforced the law too. I knew a guy who was 22, and was jailed for 9 months for dating an 18 yr old.
@RobNorthampton Its simply a modern day witchhunt prosecuting innocent people for doing no wrong. AOC 21? haha states who have AOC at 18 are already idiotic 21 is just mentally ill really. People should decide when they are ready for sex and with whom is irrelevant the state has no business changing the definition of the word willing to unwilling as its bigoted and frankly just plain stupid. I hope one day people who condone these laws suffer they deserve it for ruining so many lives.
@dannyboyinspace actually, rape seems to be coming an acceptable activity in society because the CDC released a report yesterday stating that one in five American women has been raped, and one in four is the victim of a heterosexual male's abuse.
@TaneishaRed1990 Thats interesting to know however, its irrelevant to anything that i said. I wasn't talking about rape I was talking about consensual sex being classified as rape which is idiotic in mine and many other people's opinions.
@dannyboyinspace thanks for responding to me. I would say that classifying something as rape is completely up to the victim isn't it? If a woman goes on a date with a man and he forces sex onto her, that IS rape. I don't see how it could be classified any other way. Now, of course this doesn't take into consideration the possibility that the woman is lying or trying to get even with the man.
@dannyboyinspace Oh, are you referring to sex with underaged girls? did you know it is legal for men to marry girls as young as nine in Yemen? If a man wants to have sex with young girls, that's apparently the place to go!
@TaneishaRed1990 I'm refering to two teenagers having consensual sex and that being classified as rape by the state which ridiculous. Every year in california 18 year olds are being classified as sex offenders for having sex with 17 year olds do you think thats fair? there is absoluetly no physical or mental difference between the 2 therefore, they should be smart enough to either label both adults or both children.
@TaneishaRed1990 To add to my comment below your comment comes as no suprise Arabic nations have always encouraged Pedophilia the prophet of the muslim religion muhamed had sex with a 9 year old girl not trying to be offensive to islam I'm just stating fact. You said also discussed false rape allegations which are common in these cases a girl will purposely charge her boyfriend with rape (sex consensual) as a means of revenge if he broke up with her or hurt her in anyway
It amazes me that faggots attempt to use video's like this to justify their sexually deviant behavior! Scripture even states that man would behave on the level of animals in the latter days. homosexuality is based on an unnatural lust for the same sex & has nothing to do with "LOVE"! Studies have been taken with hundreds of thousands of homosexuals & 87% of them admit "It's probably not natural" PERIOD!
@GeneticallySuperior1 It amazes me that someone who considers themselves 'genetically superior' can still believe in scripture, and invented and oft-used phrases like "Studies show...blah, blah, blah". Go troll somewhere else.
"Male lions having sex together.. .until they come across a mixed pride." This is an actual quote from the video. It would suggest that these rogue queer males lions are only acting on sexual urges with EACH OTHER because there are no females around.They come across a mixed pride, they go for the chicks. So, it is not REALLY homosexuality. How many others in this video are acting on urges with the 1 they're with because the opposite sex is just not available.You know, like in prison?
@themitch1966 Homosexual behaviour has been observed among 1,500 species, and in 500 of those it is well documented.
Many species pair-bond for life. Conversely: No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Also, a part of the animal kingdom is truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue. So lions can be gay, or maybe they're just lyin' ;-)
@RobNorthampton But do they have the option of opposite sex mating? I can see where two old queens might bond for life when there is no other option. One problem I have with the research gays talk about: when it is PRO homosexuality, then it is well documented. However,any research that shows otherwise, all the gays(right out of their handbook) bash it,call it junk science and various other things. Every time studies come out that are anti gay, those that perform the research are "homophobic".
@themitch1966 Certainly from the research carried out, there are individuals across all species who only ever interact with their own gender, even when there is a wide choice of opposite genders available. If you are really interested, I might point you towards the extensive and comprehensive books "Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity" and "Homosexual Behaviour in Animals: An Evolutionary Perspective", both available on Amazon.
Neither of these books could be said to have "an agenda", and simply produce factual evidence gathered over the last hundred years or so. Before that time, scientists chose not to believe that true diversity occurred in nature, so would pass off for instance, mounting of one male by another as a dominance behaviour, whilst sometimes wrongly documenting nuzzling of opposite genders as sexual interaction. It's an interesting, if mind-boggling field of research.
No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue.
While this video clearly gives evidence of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom, what I would be most interested in knowing is the percentage of these animals who have lost all desire to breed with the opposite sex. That in particular is the facet of homosexuality that I find "unnatural" and that I believe, while it's certainly not a choice, originates in the brain. If we find this lack of desire in similar proportions in the animal kingdom, then I would of course acknowledge my error.
@NashvilleEcoBright You state "..animals that have lost all desire to breed with the opposite sex." which assumes that they once had that desire. Whilst the understanding of the brain is still in its infancy, what we do know is that there are physical differences between hetero and homosexual brains. The latest opinion is that it is down to a predisposition genetically plus an exposure to certain hormones in the mother's womb.
@RobNorthampton You're right, I should have said "animals who have no desire to breed with the opposite sex" instead. That's what I'm interested in knowing. I remain skeptical of a genetic component but I am open to clear evidence should it be discovered.
Do animals that are being licked or rubbed just go along with it regardless of their sexual desire or does this suggest that animals don't really have a concept of sexuality i also think this could be a dominence thing in animals not its only purpose but he said about status so i think the alpha will sex up his lieutenants to ensure loyalty and stuff
From @BlackMambaFox's comments, its suggestive that any homosexual humans' behavior would be acceptable if he/she could switch their desires for sexual preference on and off like a light switch and bisexuality would be natural, but not homosexuality. The humor of ignorance! Isn't it humorous how people state it isn't natural.( deriving from nature), yet its profoundly witnessed throughout nature, yet it doesn't count or isn't natural? lol. Do you hate stupid people as much as I? lol.
@strikenetter It's a continuous battle trying to educate people, but unfortunately, some people come with their own predisposed bigotry, so rather than listen to facts about the real world, they stick their fingers in their ears and go "LaLaLaLaLaLaLa!"
Hmm...this video is intriguing, but I'm not quite sure that the behaviors displayed here constitute homosexual acts. Animals being near each other, engaging in social grooming or other intimate acts doesn't make one have an exclusive preference toward one gender or the other, at least not in the human aspect. Animals are creatures that have mannerisms that we try to relate to and humanize, but, in reality, they are just behaving in ways that make sense to them or, that simply feel good.
@BlackMambaFox So do you think that homosexuality is *not* present in the animal kingdom? If you don't believe the National Geographic portrayal, just look at Bruce Baghemil's book, linked under the vid.
Don't humans also ultimately "behave in ways that makes sense to them, or simply makes them feel good"?
@RobNorthampton Truthfully, I'm not sure. But, with regard to this video, I was actually referring specifically to the footage shown in this documentary. It's not quite convincing of "homosexuality" in the sense that we have defined it. I do think that some animals disregard gender roles when engaging in sexual play (Bonobo Chimpanzees being the most noticeable of these animals) but, apart from them and possibly dolphins, I'm just not sure and would like to do more research on the matter.
@BlackMambaFox Thank you for replying. You are not alone in querying why on earth would animals indulge in purely homosexual behaviour. Biologists themselves have been trying to deny that it happens for at least 200 years, even when observing it with their own eyes. They, like you, determined that it only occurred in the absence of suitable 'mates'. After reading Bruce Baghemil's book, I was amazed at the number and diversity of the hundreds of species that same-sex pair bond for life.
@RobNorthampton On the contrary, I would imagine that animals would engage in acts of bisexual engagements to support a pleasurable desire, be it sexual or a need for companionship or what have you. I didn't say that they only pair with same sexes when suitable mates are unavailable. As it is with bobobos who live in families of males and females and still engage in sexual acts with same sexes when opposing sexes are present. So, I'm not quite sure how you arrived at the conclusion that...
@RobNorthampton ...I harbored that sentiment, but it is an erroneous one for it is not what I claimed to belief nor do I presently yield such a statement as factual.
@RobNorthampton Ah, but to answer your other question, yes, of course humans behave in ways that make sense to them, or simply makes them feel good. But, with homosexuality, ANY homosexual will tell you that it's not a choice or a decision, but rather it's just the way they are. They cannot switch their homosexual desires on and off, they're just always there. With regard to animals, they, at least from this and other documentaries, DO seem to be able to switch their desires at random...
@RobNorthampton I think a better category to place them in would be "bisexual". Animals will breed for necessity, but with the tendencies to engage in sexual acts for pleasure, they will pair with any that is available to satisfy an urge or, "makes them feel good". But, they all seem to return or start out or attempt to or just in some way engage in sexual acts for the added benefit of reproduction. That is something that classifies them as something else rather than just homosexual.
@BlackMambaFox This is why humans beat other humans to death for being homosexual, while other animals do not care- because of the labeling of human "acts" (so un-sexy). We are part of this here animal kingdom; clearly we need to evolve further in our thinking, no? Gender/ sexuality are mercurial. It is you- the human- that labels it, and you- the human- that can get over such labeling, and teach others to do so as well.
@FunKills1969 lol...humans are hardwired to label. You just did it yourself..why label us as "humans"? Because you're referring to a group of individuals..why do we label sexuality...same reason. There's no way around it. That is how the brain functions.
and can you prove that labeling is the cause for hate crimes?
Get over it people, if you are not gay you can't know any better how it feels to be gay. Believe me, I would say that a high percentage of the gay people when they realize it, they wish they were not. It happened to me when I was a teenager, because of all the BS of people who don't care about others, just of what they think and believe. Then I realize that if some doesn't like it, that was none of my business, I got out at 14. My business is to be happy and enjoy life, live and let live!
@einbeeker I'm sure some of the gay ones do sit together. They also take part in courtship rituals, frottage, genital stimulation and lifelong pair-bonding. Just like the heterosexual animals do.
and there isn't a single female around til the lions, you fools actually believe this as a rigerous behavior male on male is the same thing as a man doing a bicycle he really wants it and is desparate. its not a regular behavior and there is not natural use for it, therefore its a lusting animal habit. and if you are going to use thing for pro-gay rights just remember under a wild kingdom humanistic life style cannibalism is OK! so that throws that out the window
I have never actually heard of a "man doing a bicycle", but if that's something you consider as an alternative to loving another person, so be it.
I can't see how you can equate sexuality with cannabalism. We, as primates, are just another species of animal on the planet, albeit the most intelligent. It is because of this intelligence that man has learnt to grow crops and breed animals for food to allay his hunger...
...When people are removed from their food source, they quite readily revert to eating their own kind if it's a matter of survival. Look up the Andes Flight Disaster. Faced with starvation the survivors fed on the dead passengers who had been preserved in the snow...
Back to the sexuality thing. It seems what you are trying to say is that just because *you* don't find any attraction in the same gender, then it's impossible, and that 1500 species around the planet, including humans, are wrong for exhibiting diversity in nature.
Nobody ever mentioned anything about 'taking morals from animals', "you idiot".
The word 'morals' is a word which can pertain to whatever you want, and means nothing alone. It's like calling something 'nice'. It has no descriptive value. If you take morals from modern society, it loosely means living a good, healthy life, and helping your fellow man wherever possible. If you take morals from the bible, you may as well stone women who you consider 'loose', because maybe their hem is too high.
The whole point of National Geographic's film is to portray that homosexuality is a naturally occurring trait in the animal kingdom. As humans are just another animal species, differing sexualities also occur.
morals are not subjective smart guy and vids like this are what fags a bragging about and national geographic supports darwinism and homosexuality with animals kinda disproves it doesn't it. and since humans are just another species in nature than rape, abuse, hate, torture, and love don't exist do they?
When people were raised in tribes, they were taught to fear outsiders, and rightly so, because they may have posed a threat. Unfortunately, that tribal trait has been passed down in the human psyche. It is far easier and cosier to stick with your own kind and revile and hate anyone else you don't know, or understand. Education is fundamental, and with it, indoctrination falls apart.
As the saying goes, there are none so blind as those who *will not* see.
@RobNorthampton Education is fundamental. It is because of education that we were able to move past concepts such as the "psyche" which have no scientific grounds. No one was taught to hate out-groups..this is genetically inherited. It's easier because it's going along with your nature...and it was evolutionary advantageous...remember...we live in a world of competition for resources.
@Davey944 homosexuality doesn't disprove darwinism. think davey! think! Genes can survive through family not only offspring. If something about having gay relatives keeps the family stronger (less conflicts women, more time to devote to success of herd) then those genes live on.
@Davey944 "morals are not subjective", - they are actually chemicals in your brain.
So what are you trying to say...that in order for something to be true, it has to appeal to us? Something that is bad HAS TO be false?
and what does rape, abuse, hate, torture, or love have to do with evolution?
lol...I can see Nat Geo supporting your views...."and here we see two lions having gay sex with each other..this is due to Satan confusing them from loving our lord and savior, Jesus Christ"
@ncPsychosis "they are actually chimivals in your brain" is a naturalist claim not a christian, and to make that claim you have to believe that morality is a biproduct of evolution (that is what it has to do with evolution) and you saying lies and and fulsehoods are just? Gen. 1: "they would love the creation and not the creator". which do you love? of course Nat Geo won't support my views, the have naturalist presuppositions. its like tring to force a triangle in a circle shaped hole.
@Davey944 I do not belong to any church of Christ. I am a follower of academic and scientific truth. See, you'd deny the facts if they were right in front of you. That is the power of religion, belief perseverance, and the absence of critical thinking. Otherwise, you'd know that morality exist only at a chemical and social level, which vary from subject to subject. Morality is subjective..and is there only as a survival mechanism, nothing more.
There seems to be a great discordance between the chinese subtitle text and what the narrator says...is this the original narration or dubbed over?
The chinese translation seems to suggest a more instinctive tendencies to relieve sexual tension via masturbatory practices, and the association of same sex attempted homosexual acts is more so because the object is there and convenient...that is to say for the dolphin sticking its penile instrument into the blowhole of the other, it seems to
2) suggest that it really doesn't matter to the pitching dolphin whether it's the blowhole of a female or male dolphin, or a pocket plastic blowhole if such is handy and available...
There is a huge gap between masturbatory tendencies and sexual behavior and orientation, no?
I believe it is the original National Geographic narration, but I only copied it, so I can't say. I'm not surprised that the chinese translation is "toned down", shall we say, when gay films or promotion of such is banned on national tv. The chinese govt can't ignore the fact that gays exist, but although not illegal, it still seems to be very much a social taboo.
Regardless of this documentary's authenticity, years of research have proven homosexuality in animals exists. See my sidebar info
our friend tnut is a "Chicken Choker!" If you will line up, tnut will suck you off in short order. He actually told me that he sucks men off in every County that he visits, even in Asia, though he claims "they have small penises". So sad that a so-called "educated" man would be such a diseased carrying low-life!
I don't suck Asians (sorry, no offense), because I don't find them attractive...
And, Hong Kong is not that great. In fact, the weather SUCKS< and its full of men with small penises. Doesn't sound like the "bomb" to me...! I had a friend who lived there for several years, and there are other problems that a visitor doesn't notice, but it's the hot weather that would convince me its not a good place to live. That's why I couldn't live in the Caribbean more than a year (which I did)....
I love Hong Kong as it is without question one of the most beautiful and exciting Cities in the world! It is known as the "Shopper's Paradise" of the world. I know as all of my Suits are custom made by some of the best Tailors in the world.
By the way, what does your "partner" think of all of the sucking that you do? Is this indicative of the thousands of other "lovers" that Gay men have in their lifetime?
Hong Kong's not EVEN close to Tokyo! Obviously, you've never been there, otherwise you'd forget Hong Kong, believe me. And, I know you're envious of our sex life, it IS better than your's, but our private affairs are none of your business, are they? We are MARRIED, by the way. You, or your imaginary friend, don't have to acknoweldge it, as i could care less, but the government DOES and that's all that counts! We have our marriage licensed framed!
I got my tails made in Thailand, and I've had suits made in Hong Kong and Singapore, too. but the Thai tailors were hands down the best. Figures you'd get that keep ass Hong Kong stuff.... You should upgrade and go to Bangkok...
I've had suits and shirts made in Thailand, and they in no way are at the quality and level of the Hong Kong Tailoring! Even Thai Tailors will admit it! By the way, did you suck off the Tailors for a discount?
Boner, that must REALLY, REALLY bug you that my marriage is EQUAL to yours. Wow, that must really make you insecure, huh? That's why you lash out at gay people. I can't help it that we're smarter than you, earn more money than you, travel WAY more than you, and have BETTER sex MORE often. Get over it, chump (or should I call you chimp, because we know where yo mama came from. De jungle...)
You are not married...except in your own mind! Ha, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!
Funny how that tax refund check came with both my name and my husbands name this year. It paid for our vacation in Australia, as a matter of fact... Interesting how I get the health insurance from my husband's job.... Hum, I could swear our marriage license has both our names on it, and is gender neutral. Are you sure, chump (chimp?)?
Actually, I'm married in my mind, AND in the eyes of the STATE, which is all we care about. Your imaginary friend's opinion really doesn't matter, does it? Nor, does your half-monkey brain... So, there!
God has nothing to do with my marriage, since he doesn't exist. Got anything else to say? Does your imaginary friend sign my tax refund check? DOMA is in the process of being dismantled as we speak. Massachusetts is suing the Feds because they say it inters with their state's rights... And, it will be immediately invalidated anyway, once the Supremes overturn Prop 8. DOMA will be GONE! DADT will be GONE... Sucka...
PS DId you ever wonder how I learned all that authentic jive-talk? I worked in Harlem (yes, THAT Harlem) as the only whitey (honky) in a black organization for seven years. I could dis you all day and night. They called me "vanilla fudge." I've just only begun to snap on you... Just wait, sucka...
Wasssup Girl? How was your suck off today? By the way, does your girlfriend know how many other girls you've sucked off? That must be very interesting.
At least I know why you love the Big Black Billy Club up your Butt!
Bones, I think you gots me mixed up with someone else. I ain't a girl, and I DEFINITELY don't have sex with no girls. YUCKKK! Asian girl say: I sucky you cocky? You speaky Engrish? I love you long time...
No, I know I'm ALL man. That's why I go to the gym all the time, and have my muscles pumped. That's why girls look at me on the street, and I say, no thanks, girls, I'm already married! Did you think of that man-butt last time yo with dat ho of your's?
On, no, trust me, I'm ALL man. There's NO question about it... I know you want to see my privates, but I'm married, and I don't want to go there with you....
Did you go shopping on Black Friday for that big sale on Knee Pads at Wally World? What do you say to your perverted partner after he pokes you and discovers nothing but nasty bacteria and feces is all over his penis? What a nasty Sodomite you are!
Hey, Boner man. Boy did I miss you! No, I HATE shopping, so another gay stereotype down the drain. My husband does most of the shopping for us. I don't need knee pads, cause I've built up calouses...
How did your shopping go? Get any white dildos so you can think of me, when you wit yo ho? I bet you secretly slip that white dildo on up in there while you havin relations wit dat ho.... And, all the time you's thinkin of havin my big white penis in yo big ass. I know...
You really shouldn't refer to your own Mother as "Dat Ho" as it is not good for you and I am sure your Father wouldn't appreciate it. By the way, what kind of cleanser do you use to get the feces off of your Dough Boy Penis?
I think you'll have to come over and lick it off, what do you think? Have you seen da vid "The Bible Told me so"? Check it out on youtube. It's in nine parts. It turns out your interpretation of Sodom and Gomorrah is all WRONG. It wasn't about homosexuality. Check it out, sucka...
Remember, you're the SUCKER! Won't waste my time with sexual perverts that try to undermind the Scriptures in order to justify their deviant and wicked lifestyle of being Sodomites!
Jude 1:7 makes it clear that S&G is about homosexual/unnatural sexual perversion. Read it if you can read!
You need to see "The Bible Told Me So." It will change your life... First of all, the bible was not taken literally until the 20th Century. Did you know that? Before then, the bible was treated like a "metaphorical" piece rather than "literally." This would explain why suckas like you ACTUALLY believe the earth is 6000 years old, and that Methusela lived 900 years. Before the 20the Century, they did NOT believe this. You NEED to see this video, NOW!
@MrEbonyman Why can't you fundamentalist cristians get over it? Homosexuality exists, if you are not gay then you won't know any better because you are not. So, accept that people are different, get some therapy to overcome that phobia and be happy. Keep reading the scriptures, going to the church of your preference but understand that in the world everyone is different. You are more worried about the sexual orientation of gays more than your own, and more than gays.
Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction.
Thanks for writing intelligently, however one thing I don't understand about your point is why is it that certain animals particpate in male on male anal intercourse to ejaculation if it isn't sexual in nature? You seem to be inferring that their behavior is NOT sexual. Do I misunderstand your point? Big horn sheep particpate in male anal intercourse to ejaculation and will throw any sheep out of the herd that doesn't participate. And, 450 species mate with same sex partners FOR LIFE.
Oh yes, it is of a sexual behavior, and I didn't deny that. It's only that in animals sexual behavior in more than gratification or reproduction. It is used, even against the same sex, to often show dominance. It sounds irrational, of course, however, animal behaviorist have conveyed this before.
Thanks again for being civil. There are too many jerks out there. I think my point is that not only are the animals exhibiting homosexual sexual behavior, but they also "bond" in the same way we humans bond, and for life! Whether this is an emotional state or not is open to debate. The point is that nobody can say homosexuality is unnatural,becuase this is simply NOT the case. In fact, the APA states unequivocally that homosexuality is a naturally occuring form of human sexual behavior.
You're welcome, and thanks to you. But I have to disagree with you...There is documented proof of canniblism and rape in the animal kingdom, but that doesn't make it right or natural for humans. While some animals (like the lion) eat their young, neither supporters or opponents of gay rights have used this as an argument claiming infanticide or cannibalism is also natural. I think one should be wary when using homosexuality in animals to justify homosexuality in humans.
I might add, that I don't use animal behavior as a way of saying that we should follow their lead. Far from it. I know we have brains that function on a much higher level (or SHOULD operate that way!). No, I'm just saying that homosexuality is in the animal kingdom, and therefore fits the definition of being "natural." For years the religious right surpressed any research into animal homosexualiy. But, the secret's out now, and can't be denied...
Also, remember that some animals exibit homosexual tendencies with other species of animal (e.i., a dog straddling a cat). Would you agree that this also makes beastiality in humans natural? I think these kinds of matters should be more thought out.
I'd like to point out that most gay people don't even bring up animals in reference to homosexuality it really is a moot point, and I think we agree on that. HOWEVER, the reason I bring it up is to show that it IS a part of nature, and those who use religion as an excuse to deny gays civil rights are totally embarrassed when they find out that homosexuality IS natural. It shows them that their god did not "create" the perfect world they thought he did.
First, I wouldn't call gay marriage a civil right. The way I see it, gays and straights have the same marital rights. Both gays and straights cannot marry the same sex, and both gays and straights can marry someone of the opposite sex. It's exactly the same. I'm trying to offend you, but I'm only pointing out that gay marriage is not a civil rights issues, in my opinion.
It certainly IS a civil rights issue. If it's not, then what constitutes a civil rights issue? What is a civil right? That's the crux of the matter. You're too young to know about this, but during the fight over interracial marriage, your exact argument was used. Well, a black person can marry someone of the same race, they don't need someone of a different race... It seems ridiculous now, but that's what they said. And, you are saying, well, you don't have to marry a same sex partner.
The anit-interracial marriage argument wouldn't be the same, in my eyes. Telling a black person he can't marry a white person, but telling a white person he can is unequal. However, gays and straights have the same options: marry a member of the opposite sex, not the same sex. Again, I'm not trying to offend and I'm not saying gays shouldn't marry, but that I don't see it as an issue of unequal rights.
You are funny. Can you go back and read what you JUST said? You said that it was wrong to tell a black person that they HAD to marry someone of the same race, but it's OK to tell a homosexual person that they MUST marry an opposite sex partner. In other words, the rights of a black person who wishes to marry someone from a different race, are protected, but gay people have NO right to marry the person they love, it MUST be someone of the opposite sex. That's hypocritical, isn't it?
You are misunderstanding me. I said it is unequal to tell two races two different things (one can marry a white but one cannot). However gays and straights aren't being told two different things. They are being left with the same exact options (marry someone of the opposite sex) and so there is no inequality between them. One man may be allowed to marry someone, but by a law another man cannot marry that same person if he is that person's father...would you call that inequaity? Hardly, I'm sure.
You are really being silly now, and I'm sort of losing patience with you. It's very simple, I CANNOT marry someone of the opposite sex, because I could never physically love that person. What YOU are asking a gay person to do is a ridiculous and EQUALLY REPULSIVE as asking YOU, a straight person, to marry a same sex partner. So, I'll ask you, could YOU marry someone of the same sex just to please society, your church or your family? Think about this before you answer...
The Mormons are PARTICULARLY embarrased by this, because they seem to have this delusion that everything their "heavenly father" created is perfect and good. They also have this delision that all people are "created" heterosexual, and gays "choose" their "lifestyle." I'd like to point out that sexual orientation is NOT a lifestyle. It would be like saying someone is living the "female lifestyle." I'm a legally married gay man, and live the very same lifestyle as any straight couple.
Secondly, I don't think you addressed my previous argument. Rape, murder, cannibalism, and infancticide is common among all animals, but would you agree that these behaviors are natural for humans also? Animals show tendencies of beastiality as well, but I'm sure you wouldn't say humans having sex with animals is natural.
I DID answer your point. I said, we are human and do not have to look to the animal kingdom for our behavior. In fact, our brains function at a much higher level, therefore we are expected to act in a more civilized way.
Well, not quite what I meant, but I'll take it. My point was I don't think homosexuality in animals should be easily considered proof it as natural because animals exibit all sorts of behavior that would rationally never be deemed natural.
Yes, but you CANNOT say that homosexuality is unnaturalm, can you? And, YET people DO say this... This is FALSE, and I stand up to people who say that homsexuality is unnatural by pointing to the animal kingdom. Homsexuality IS as natural as the sky. If you believe in god, then HE created it...
No, I do not believe homosexuality is natural. Not to say it's wrong (personally, I'm in no postition to judge to that length and I'm very unsure whether or not it is), but hardly natural. Although homosexual tendencies are very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting need to engage in homosexual behavior while excluding heterosexual behavior entirely. Thus, a homosexual orientation seems non-existant.
Again, you are plain WRONG. I've already pointed out to you that animals DO have homosexual pairings that are LIFELONG. Are you denying this reality? It's silly, because this is PROVEN... I can send you an article about sexual orientation that is written by a straight man with no agenda. He points out that sexual orientation is INNATE and IMMUTABLE. You can believe whatever you want to believe, even that Santa might bring you presents. But, it isn't the TRUTH!
You keep misunderstanding me, perhaps subconciously it's your bias? This is what I'm saying: Homosexual orientation is defined by sexual behavior with the same sex while excluding any and all sexual behavior with the opposite sex. While animals do exibit homosexual behavior, they do not exibit homosexual behavior to the extent to ignore the need to reproduce with the opposite sex. So it can't be said that a homosexual orientation is natural based on animal behavior.
Yes, I guess I wasn't clear on this. From what I've read on this topic, which hasn't been a lot. Those animals that mate with same sex partners for life do NOT reproduce with an opposite sex partner. They remain in a same sex relationship EXCLUSIVELY. This again has been documented. Some scientists believe that it is nature's way of controlling the populations of some animals, and that is is actually essential for the survival of the species. You know that the earth is overpopulated, too?
Really??? Not to assume you're misinformed, but I'd like to know where you read this if you can remember. Honestly, it sounds a bit exaggereated, but you say it's documented.
I'm sorry I missed which point you're referring to. Do you mean about animals mating for life with same sex partners? I HAVE read that somewhere. You are probably good enough at using google to find it very easily. Just google: Homosexuality in animals, and I'll bet you find lots of articles and books about it. Wish I could sit down and have coffee with you and discuss further, because you've been very pleasant to interact with, and I appreciate it. I need some sleep, though!
OK, go on wikipedia (not the best source, of course), and there is an article called "monogamous pairing in animals." I bet you'll find what you're looking for...
I see you're still trying to use the example of an animal to justify your sick and deviant behavior. I wouldn't go to the Zoo in order to learn how I am suppose to live my life!
Some animals kill their own! Some animals eat their own babies flesh. Will you follow suit? There are no Homosexual animals, pure and simple!
God will judge you for your refusal to repent and for living such a wicked life,and He won't listen to the nonsense of "I did it because two Tigers were kissing"
Nobody's using an animal. I mean if we want to use animals, we'd have to say it the Africans (YOUR people) who started AIDS, because they had sex with monkeys. That explains where YOU came from. Yo mama was a monkey! LOL!
One more thing you seem to forget. Humans have a capacity to "love" someone, therefore we seem to be more highly developed than animals, who do not seem to have this same level of emotional bonding. Therefore, it IS important, at least in our modern society, to marry someone we love and not someone that our family arranged (like in previous times and cultures). Love IS important to marriage, do you agree?
I agree love is important in marriage, and even though I'm split on the issues of gay marriage I believe people should be allowed to be happy. However, it's intresting you mentioned arranged marriages, because arranged marriages have the lowest divorce rate amongst all married couples - even in the cultures which do freely allow divorce. I think learning to love someone is the same as loving them effortlessly.
Good night to you too! I have heard about arranged marriages having a high success rate, but could this also be due to the fact that those cultures forbid divorce? It's NOT an option... It used to be this way in our culture. Divorce was absolutely forbidden..
Yes, we're denying this foolishness! You were not born gay and just like the Gay Doctor himself, Simon Levay has said for the record, "There are no Gay Genes nor and DNA factors that causes people to be Gay!"
He was a Sissy himself, had a gay lover that died of AIDS, and is the leading Geneticist in the Western World!
You don't have a leg to stand on for choosing to sucking on men's penises and allowing yourself to be Sodomized in the Butt!
Nobody cares about the gay gene. There's no gene for eye color, or for handedness either. Our sexual orientation is caused (both heterosexual AND homosexual) by a combination of factors, NONE of which involve a choice. It is probably a combo of genes (proven by research in identical twins), hormones and other biological factors. Environment, according to most experts, plays NO role. And, your still obsessed with that anal sex, aren't you? What's wrong you can only think of men's butts?
Can I ask a favor of you? I just want you to find out if you're actually a closet gay, which I'm SURE is true. So, the next time you are having relations with that nappy-headed, fat-assed, skanky ho you call yo "woman," I want you to think of some nice bulbous muscle guy's hairy tight ass instead of her stinky grand canyon. See if this makes you more excited. You might be surprised, and find out you don't need Viagra next time. So, remember think of anal sex when you with yo ho!
Also, please don't be upset with Christians. I don't agree with their methods, but their intentions are good. They believe homosexuality is a sin, and they fear of people and our society being desensitized to it and losing their souls. The main purpose of every Christian is to save as many people as possible for their own welfare. I know you may feel persecuted by them, but their intentions are well meant. You may have had negative experiences, I'm sure, but at least know that.
You don't have to tell me about Christians. My father is an Evangelical minister. I read the bible cover to cover (like a good boy) at 14 and I rejected it. I thought it was false, and I now have PROOF. The bible says the earth is 6000 years old, when in FACT it is MILLIONS of years old, and this cannot be disputed. We have found human footprints that predate Adam and Eve by 1.4 million years. So, for someone to use this book to oppress MY rights, it IS wrong.
I'm not denying you know about Christians. I'm only telling you not to harbor resentment against them because it's only out of love for you that they do what they do. Believe me, that is the root of it all. Any Christian who oppresses you is not a true Christian.
I like what you said "Any Christian who oppresses you is not a true Christian." So, that would mean that all those Mormons that worked for Prop 8 (and spent MILLIONS of their own dollars) and the Catholic church are both non-Christian? I'm glad you are blunt about it, and not mincing words. I happen to agree with you. For a group that was persecuted for their polygamy, and their leader was MURDERED, to turn around and oppress another group simply because they don't believe the same is WRONG!
That is intresting. Thank you. I can hardly be surprised they are losing membership when their support for gay marriage contradicts the Christian faith. However, I'm a Christian and I don't know if I believe homosexuality is wrong, so maybe I'm contradicting my own faith?
I just sent you an article about sexual orientation, is it a choice? It's fairly easy to read, but there are some scientific charts that might be confusing because of the cut and paste. You can google the article if you want to see it in an easier to read format.... By the way, do YOU think sexual orientation is a choice? Do you think we "choose" to be right or left handed?
Did you know in the 1950s gay men had only two options? You "hide" your sexual orientation by marrying a woman. You could remain celibate or have secret sex with men (usually other "married" men). It was a sad and tragic time. It is only within the last forty years that gay people felt free enough to have open relationships, I never thought marriage would be an option in my lifestime, but there is NO question it WILL be the law of the land one day. NO question. And, it is worldwide, too!
And, lisztnut, just asking for your opinion on this after reading part of the message you sent me...I could say homosexuality is a choice - not a choice to have the tendences to be gay, but a choice whether or not to practice it. I'm straight and in a great relationship with my first and only boyfriend, but I've always found women to be physically more attractive than men. A beautiful woman really catches my eye. Could I be a bi-sexual choosing a heterosexual lifestyle?
Sorry, I thought all along that you were a guy! Silly me... Maybe this explains why you're so thoughtful and well spoken (and respectful??)... Do you know about the Kinsey study? He did research on human sexuality in the 1950s. He came to the conclusion that ALL of us are born bisexual, and have a tendency to be more gay or more straight. You seem to be living proof that YOU are human! Congratulations!
Thank you for calling me thoughtful and well-spoken ^_^ Hmm. Never heard of that theory before. Thanks, that is very insiteful. However, I'm sure I'll never act on my attraction to women. It would be rather awkward, haha. I don't think any homosexual tendency I may have goes that far, but it is good to know that I may actually have those tendencies at all! Intresting...
I hope you don't think I'm corrupting you but when I had sex with women I knew full well that I was only attracted to men. I partially did it to "test" my true feelings, and it confirmed 100 percent that I was gay. In your case, I'm not saying to go out and have sex with a girl, but I'm saying that at some point in your life this COULD come up. Don't be frightened about it. Do you know a VERY high percentage of people who identify as straight have had sex with same sex partners?
You know, the Catholic church actually gets this totally right in one sense. They believe that homsexuality is innate and immutable, therefore they recommend that gay people remain celibate and have NO sexual relationships of ANY sort. I think this is a far more humane and actually informed way to treat this issue. They do NOT tell gay people to get into heterosexual relationships, because they view it as unhealthy, and unfair to the partner of such a person.
@themitch1966 nope I've never been in closet, and I'm a proud homosexual. That annoys you doesn't it? Aren't you sad that you aren't in the 1950s. See, gay people have always been here and outperforming heterosexuals in life, it's just that now you realize that the top men of genius are gay. In the 1950s nobody knew this.
@themitch1966 here are the great gay men of genius:
1 Leonardo da Vinci (possibly the greatest inventor of all time, in addition to one of the greatest artists of all time).
2 Michaelangelo (also one of the greatest artists of all time, who created the Sistine Chapel fresco as well as the most celebrated statue of all time)
3 Socrates (invented a teaching method still in use today, as well as being one of the greatest philosophers)
@themitch1966 you will never be able to find ANY scientific evidence that backs up the claim that being homosexual is a choice. If you find it, please let me know. So far science has confirmed that homosexuality is not a choice, and is biologically determined, with very little to ZERO influence of environment. I love the Christians who will tell you that being gay is a choice, and then ten minutes later claim it to be a mental illness. WTF? How can an illness be chosen?
Nine people have not mastered the finer points of the backdoor....
BAchoHAl 3 days ago
DAMN NATURE YOU SCARY!!!!
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themitch1966 1 week ago
@RobNorthampton Like how gays follow the same lines every time they debate:1]deflect(i.e. avoid the point made all together). 2] Shout you down and call you names.3] Consider all their own scientific evidence COMPLETELY credible while denouncing any science you offer as "junk science". or 4] Tell you that since you are anti gay you,in turn, MUST be a closet gay(and by golly they have the "credible" science to prove it.-You Rob did part of of #1.
themitch1966 1 week ago
And then the Christians and other religious people disregarded the video and pretended they were inside of a tiny bubble with their best imaginary friend Jesus, et al.
SkittlesTheLucario 1 week ago
@RobNorthampton
Yeah, imagine that.
Blackthorne587 2 weeks ago
Rape has also been observed in the Animal Kingdom does that make it natural too?
dannyboyinspace 2 months ago
@dannyboyinspace Anything that occurs in nature can be described as 'natural', including rape. Whether it is welcome, either by an animal or another human is a different matter. However, rape is nothing to do with sexuality, because it can happen to an animal of any sexuality, including primates - even those that comment on youtube.
If you are simply trying to infer that sexuality is a choice in the same way that a rapist makes a choice, then your argument falls apart under weight of evidence.
RobNorthampton 2 months ago 3
@RobNorthampton Actually no what I'm saying is people conform to whatever society tells me. For example the sterotypical adult age of 18 is complete bullshit why shouldn't say a a man in his 20s and a 17 year old girl be able to love each other and have sex if its consensual I mean it would be seen as perfectly ok if she was 18 so why not 17? racism was seen as ok in the 50s now its not, homosexuality was not seen as ok in 80s but now it is. No opinion is right or wrong its just opinion.
dannyboyinspace 2 months ago
@dannyboyinspace I agree with you that age of consent laws are odd, to say the least. Each country decides when their people are old enough to be a consenting adult. In the UK, the gay age of consent used to be 21. It has fallen over the years and is now 16 to bring it in line with heterosexual age of consent. It's a grey area, but I think we have to have some 'cut-off point' or paedophiles would be able to groom children with no comeback.
RobNorthampton 2 months ago
In the case of rape, I don't see how it can ever be accepted as a normal behaviour trait in society, because the person being raped is a victim, and is not consenting.
RobNorthampton 2 months ago
@RobNorthampton to add adulthood isn't reached by a number its reached with maturity, responisbility and behaviour turning 18 only encourages people to be less responsible as they have new priviledges like clubbing and gambling. I'm guess you're either for homosexual rights or are a homosexual therefore, I think you'll agree with me when I say all statutory rape laws are bigoted and idiotic As for the rape it should never be condoned as its hurting someone consensual sex doesnt hurt anyone
dannyboyinspace 2 months ago
@RobNorthampton Even at 16 AOC doesn't make sense a 17 year old and 15 year old having consensual sex isn't nor should ever be considered a crime. Do you realise how many young people lives are ruined everyday by that bullshit? too many. I agree that prepubescent children should not be having sex however, in the case of teenagers if a court wants to charge someone they should have a psychiatrist test the younger person and see if they were capable of "giving consent" I guarantee majority are
dannyboyinspace 2 months ago
@dannyboyinspace I agree with you. If teens are of a similar age and are responsible, I don't see why a law should stop them being together. They are going to do it anyway, regardless of A of C laws. I think it's more about protecting them from predators..
At the age of 24, I risked jail for 3 years because my partner was 18 when we moved in together, and the A of C was 21 at that time. They enforced the law too. I knew a guy who was 22, and was jailed for 9 months for dating an 18 yr old.
RobNorthampton 2 months ago
@RobNorthampton Its simply a modern day witchhunt prosecuting innocent people for doing no wrong. AOC 21? haha states who have AOC at 18 are already idiotic 21 is just mentally ill really. People should decide when they are ready for sex and with whom is irrelevant the state has no business changing the definition of the word willing to unwilling as its bigoted and frankly just plain stupid. I hope one day people who condone these laws suffer they deserve it for ruining so many lives.
dannyboyinspace 2 months ago
@dannyboyinspace actually, rape seems to be coming an acceptable activity in society because the CDC released a report yesterday stating that one in five American women has been raped, and one in four is the victim of a heterosexual male's abuse.
TaneishaRed1990 1 month ago
@TaneishaRed1990 Thats interesting to know however, its irrelevant to anything that i said. I wasn't talking about rape I was talking about consensual sex being classified as rape which is idiotic in mine and many other people's opinions.
dannyboyinspace 1 month ago
@dannyboyinspace thanks for responding to me. I would say that classifying something as rape is completely up to the victim isn't it? If a woman goes on a date with a man and he forces sex onto her, that IS rape. I don't see how it could be classified any other way. Now, of course this doesn't take into consideration the possibility that the woman is lying or trying to get even with the man.
TaneishaRed1990 1 month ago
@dannyboyinspace Oh, are you referring to sex with underaged girls? did you know it is legal for men to marry girls as young as nine in Yemen? If a man wants to have sex with young girls, that's apparently the place to go!
TaneishaRed1990 1 month ago
@TaneishaRed1990 I'm refering to two teenagers having consensual sex and that being classified as rape by the state which ridiculous. Every year in california 18 year olds are being classified as sex offenders for having sex with 17 year olds do you think thats fair? there is absoluetly no physical or mental difference between the 2 therefore, they should be smart enough to either label both adults or both children.
dannyboyinspace 1 month ago
@TaneishaRed1990 To add to my comment below your comment comes as no suprise Arabic nations have always encouraged Pedophilia the prophet of the muslim religion muhamed had sex with a 9 year old girl not trying to be offensive to islam I'm just stating fact. You said also discussed false rape allegations which are common in these cases a girl will purposely charge her boyfriend with rape (sex consensual) as a means of revenge if he broke up with her or hurt her in anyway
dannyboyinspace 1 month ago
It amazes me that faggots attempt to use video's like this to justify their sexually deviant behavior! Scripture even states that man would behave on the level of animals in the latter days. homosexuality is based on an unnatural lust for the same sex & has nothing to do with "LOVE"! Studies have been taken with hundreds of thousands of homosexuals & 87% of them admit "It's probably not natural" PERIOD!
GeneticallySuperior1 2 months ago
@GeneticallySuperior1 It amazes me that someone who considers themselves 'genetically superior' can still believe in scripture, and invented and oft-used phrases like "Studies show...blah, blah, blah". Go troll somewhere else.
RobNorthampton 2 months ago
"Male lions having sex together.. .until they come across a mixed pride." This is an actual quote from the video. It would suggest that these rogue queer males lions are only acting on sexual urges with EACH OTHER because there are no females around.They come across a mixed pride, they go for the chicks. So, it is not REALLY homosexuality. How many others in this video are acting on urges with the 1 they're with because the opposite sex is just not available.You know, like in prison?
themitch1966 4 months ago
@themitch1966 Homosexual behaviour has been observed among 1,500 species, and in 500 of those it is well documented.
Many species pair-bond for life. Conversely: No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Also, a part of the animal kingdom is truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue. So lions can be gay, or maybe they're just lyin' ;-)
RobNorthampton 4 months ago
@RobNorthampton But do they have the option of opposite sex mating? I can see where two old queens might bond for life when there is no other option. One problem I have with the research gays talk about: when it is PRO homosexuality, then it is well documented. However,any research that shows otherwise, all the gays(right out of their handbook) bash it,call it junk science and various other things. Every time studies come out that are anti gay, those that perform the research are "homophobic".
themitch1966 4 months ago
@themitch1966 Certainly from the research carried out, there are individuals across all species who only ever interact with their own gender, even when there is a wide choice of opposite genders available. If you are really interested, I might point you towards the extensive and comprehensive books "Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity" and "Homosexual Behaviour in Animals: An Evolutionary Perspective", both available on Amazon.
RobNorthampton 4 months ago
Neither of these books could be said to have "an agenda", and simply produce factual evidence gathered over the last hundred years or so. Before that time, scientists chose not to believe that true diversity occurred in nature, so would pass off for instance, mounting of one male by another as a dominance behaviour, whilst sometimes wrongly documenting nuzzling of opposite genders as sexual interaction. It's an interesting, if mind-boggling field of research.
RobNorthampton 4 months ago
"And male river dolphins are known to insert their penis into their friends blowhole...on the top of their head"
"No homo, bro"
"Dude >.> gtfo!"
smartandstupid37 4 months ago
Wow...........Creepy. Especially the river dolphins.
FirstBorn20011 5 months ago
No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue.
59771006 5 months ago
While this video clearly gives evidence of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom, what I would be most interested in knowing is the percentage of these animals who have lost all desire to breed with the opposite sex. That in particular is the facet of homosexuality that I find "unnatural" and that I believe, while it's certainly not a choice, originates in the brain. If we find this lack of desire in similar proportions in the animal kingdom, then I would of course acknowledge my error.
NashvilleEcoBright 6 months ago
@NashvilleEcoBright You state "..animals that have lost all desire to breed with the opposite sex." which assumes that they once had that desire. Whilst the understanding of the brain is still in its infancy, what we do know is that there are physical differences between hetero and homosexual brains. The latest opinion is that it is down to a predisposition genetically plus an exposure to certain hormones in the mother's womb.
RobNorthampton 6 months ago
@RobNorthampton You're right, I should have said "animals who have no desire to breed with the opposite sex" instead. That's what I'm interested in knowing. I remain skeptical of a genetic component but I am open to clear evidence should it be discovered.
NashvilleEcoBright 6 months ago
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gay animals should be shot.. just like gay humans!
bryanreize1 8 months ago
Do animals that are being licked or rubbed just go along with it regardless of their sexual desire or does this suggest that animals don't really have a concept of sexuality i also think this could be a dominence thing in animals not its only purpose but he said about status so i think the alpha will sex up his lieutenants to ensure loyalty and stuff
ahdeath2007 10 months ago
From @BlackMambaFox's comments, its suggestive that any homosexual humans' behavior would be acceptable if he/she could switch their desires for sexual preference on and off like a light switch and bisexuality would be natural, but not homosexuality. The humor of ignorance! Isn't it humorous how people state it isn't natural.( deriving from nature), yet its profoundly witnessed throughout nature, yet it doesn't count or isn't natural? lol. Do you hate stupid people as much as I? lol.
strikenetter 1 year ago 8
@strikenetter It's a continuous battle trying to educate people, but unfortunately, some people come with their own predisposed bigotry, so rather than listen to facts about the real world, they stick their fingers in their ears and go "LaLaLaLaLaLaLa!"
;-)
RobNorthampton 1 year ago 8
@RobNorthampton agreed :)
foxyjohnuk 6 months ago
@strikenetter i pity them myself x
foxyjohnuk 6 months ago
Chimps engage in oral? LOL at the blow hole sex
Abena20 1 year ago
i found this video actually interesting, i did not know about this before... makes me think
toddcastielvegas 1 year ago
Hmm...this video is intriguing, but I'm not quite sure that the behaviors displayed here constitute homosexual acts. Animals being near each other, engaging in social grooming or other intimate acts doesn't make one have an exclusive preference toward one gender or the other, at least not in the human aspect. Animals are creatures that have mannerisms that we try to relate to and humanize, but, in reality, they are just behaving in ways that make sense to them or, that simply feel good.
BlackMambaFox 1 year ago
@BlackMambaFox So do you think that homosexuality is *not* present in the animal kingdom? If you don't believe the National Geographic portrayal, just look at Bruce Baghemil's book, linked under the vid.
Don't humans also ultimately "behave in ways that makes sense to them, or simply makes them feel good"?
RobNorthampton 1 year ago
@RobNorthampton Truthfully, I'm not sure. But, with regard to this video, I was actually referring specifically to the footage shown in this documentary. It's not quite convincing of "homosexuality" in the sense that we have defined it. I do think that some animals disregard gender roles when engaging in sexual play (Bonobo Chimpanzees being the most noticeable of these animals) but, apart from them and possibly dolphins, I'm just not sure and would like to do more research on the matter.
BlackMambaFox 1 year ago
@BlackMambaFox Thank you for replying. You are not alone in querying why on earth would animals indulge in purely homosexual behaviour. Biologists themselves have been trying to deny that it happens for at least 200 years, even when observing it with their own eyes. They, like you, determined that it only occurred in the absence of suitable 'mates'. After reading Bruce Baghemil's book, I was amazed at the number and diversity of the hundreds of species that same-sex pair bond for life.
RobNorthampton 1 year ago
@RobNorthampton On the contrary, I would imagine that animals would engage in acts of bisexual engagements to support a pleasurable desire, be it sexual or a need for companionship or what have you. I didn't say that they only pair with same sexes when suitable mates are unavailable. As it is with bobobos who live in families of males and females and still engage in sexual acts with same sexes when opposing sexes are present. So, I'm not quite sure how you arrived at the conclusion that...
BlackMambaFox 1 year ago
@RobNorthampton ...I harbored that sentiment, but it is an erroneous one for it is not what I claimed to belief nor do I presently yield such a statement as factual.
BlackMambaFox 1 year ago
@RobNorthampton Ah, but to answer your other question, yes, of course humans behave in ways that make sense to them, or simply makes them feel good. But, with homosexuality, ANY homosexual will tell you that it's not a choice or a decision, but rather it's just the way they are. They cannot switch their homosexual desires on and off, they're just always there. With regard to animals, they, at least from this and other documentaries, DO seem to be able to switch their desires at random...
BlackMambaFox 1 year ago
@RobNorthampton I think a better category to place them in would be "bisexual". Animals will breed for necessity, but with the tendencies to engage in sexual acts for pleasure, they will pair with any that is available to satisfy an urge or, "makes them feel good". But, they all seem to return or start out or attempt to or just in some way engage in sexual acts for the added benefit of reproduction. That is something that classifies them as something else rather than just homosexual.
BlackMambaFox 1 year ago
@BlackMambaFox This is why humans beat other humans to death for being homosexual, while other animals do not care- because of the labeling of human "acts" (so un-sexy). We are part of this here animal kingdom; clearly we need to evolve further in our thinking, no? Gender/ sexuality are mercurial. It is you- the human- that labels it, and you- the human- that can get over such labeling, and teach others to do so as well.
FunKills1969 10 months ago
@FunKills1969 I am curious as to why you switched from speaking of humans as "we" to referring to humans as "you".
BlackMambaFox 10 months ago
@FunKills1969 lol...humans are hardwired to label. You just did it yourself..why label us as "humans"? Because you're referring to a group of individuals..why do we label sexuality...same reason. There's no way around it. That is how the brain functions.
and can you prove that labeling is the cause for hate crimes?
ncPsychosis 9 months ago
Homophobia is a virus of the mind.
*cough* just like organized religion.
DackIsBack 1 year ago
lol!! is it just me or the voice over guy is narrating in a 'seductive mood' tone? XD
LuvSmileyFace 1 year ago
Get over it people, if you are not gay you can't know any better how it feels to be gay. Believe me, I would say that a high percentage of the gay people when they realize it, they wish they were not. It happened to me when I was a teenager, because of all the BS of people who don't care about others, just of what they think and believe. Then I realize that if some doesn't like it, that was none of my business, I got out at 14. My business is to be happy and enjoy life, live and let live!
34roberees 1 year ago
awwwwhhh, those gay lions are sooo cute!!! ;-)
averagebear1 1 year ago
I had the funniest look on my face during this clip lol
johnrambo6 1 year ago
so just becoz 2 males sit together or are near each other that means they r gay??????
einbeeker 1 year ago
@einbeeker I'm sure some of the gay ones do sit together. They also take part in courtship rituals, frottage, genital stimulation and lifelong pair-bonding. Just like the heterosexual animals do.
RobNorthampton 1 year ago
and there isn't a single female around til the lions, you fools actually believe this as a rigerous behavior male on male is the same thing as a man doing a bicycle he really wants it and is desparate. its not a regular behavior and there is not natural use for it, therefore its a lusting animal habit. and if you are going to use thing for pro-gay rights just remember under a wild kingdom humanistic life style cannibalism is OK! so that throws that out the window
Davey944 2 years ago
I have never actually heard of a "man doing a bicycle", but if that's something you consider as an alternative to loving another person, so be it.
I can't see how you can equate sexuality with cannabalism. We, as primates, are just another species of animal on the planet, albeit the most intelligent. It is because of this intelligence that man has learnt to grow crops and breed animals for food to allay his hunger...
RobNorthampton 2 years ago
...When people are removed from their food source, they quite readily revert to eating their own kind if it's a matter of survival. Look up the Andes Flight Disaster. Faced with starvation the survivors fed on the dead passengers who had been preserved in the snow...
RobNorthampton 2 years ago
Back to the sexuality thing. It seems what you are trying to say is that just because *you* don't find any attraction in the same gender, then it's impossible, and that 1500 species around the planet, including humans, are wrong for exhibiting diversity in nature.
RobNorthampton 2 years ago
did you read a word that I said? I said taking morals from the animal kingdom can't fit with man, not substitute sexuality for cannibalism you idiot.
Davey944 1 year ago
Nobody ever mentioned anything about 'taking morals from animals', "you idiot".
The word 'morals' is a word which can pertain to whatever you want, and means nothing alone. It's like calling something 'nice'. It has no descriptive value. If you take morals from modern society, it loosely means living a good, healthy life, and helping your fellow man wherever possible. If you take morals from the bible, you may as well stone women who you consider 'loose', because maybe their hem is too high.
RobNorthampton 1 year ago
The whole point of National Geographic's film is to portray that homosexuality is a naturally occurring trait in the animal kingdom. As humans are just another animal species, differing sexualities also occur.
RobNorthampton 1 year ago
morals are not subjective smart guy and vids like this are what fags a bragging about and national geographic supports darwinism and homosexuality with animals kinda disproves it doesn't it. and since humans are just another species in nature than rape, abuse, hate, torture, and love don't exist do they?
Davey944 1 year ago
When people were raised in tribes, they were taught to fear outsiders, and rightly so, because they may have posed a threat. Unfortunately, that tribal trait has been passed down in the human psyche. It is far easier and cosier to stick with your own kind and revile and hate anyone else you don't know, or understand. Education is fundamental, and with it, indoctrination falls apart.
As the saying goes, there are none so blind as those who *will not* see.
RobNorthampton 1 year ago
@RobNorthampton Education is fundamental. It is because of education that we were able to move past concepts such as the "psyche" which have no scientific grounds. No one was taught to hate out-groups..this is genetically inherited. It's easier because it's going along with your nature...and it was evolutionary advantageous...remember...we live in a world of competition for resources.
People don't hate because they don't understand.
There is no scientific support for that.
ncPsychosis 9 months ago
@Davey944 homosexuality doesn't disprove darwinism. think davey! think! Genes can survive through family not only offspring. If something about having gay relatives keeps the family stronger (less conflicts women, more time to devote to success of herd) then those genes live on.
kidvaletudo 1 year ago
@Davey944 "morals are not subjective", - they are actually chemicals in your brain.
So what are you trying to say...that in order for something to be true, it has to appeal to us? Something that is bad HAS TO be false?
and what does rape, abuse, hate, torture, or love have to do with evolution?
lol...I can see Nat Geo supporting your views...."and here we see two lions having gay sex with each other..this is due to Satan confusing them from loving our lord and savior, Jesus Christ"
ncPsychosis 9 months ago
@ncPsychosis "they are actually chimivals in your brain" is a naturalist claim not a christian, and to make that claim you have to believe that morality is a biproduct of evolution (that is what it has to do with evolution) and you saying lies and and fulsehoods are just? Gen. 1: "they would love the creation and not the creator". which do you love? of course Nat Geo won't support my views, the have naturalist presuppositions. its like tring to force a triangle in a circle shaped hole.
Davey944 8 months ago
@ncPsychosis if you are really a brother in christ let us reason
Davey944 8 months ago
@Davey944 I do not belong to any church of Christ. I am a follower of academic and scientific truth. See, you'd deny the facts if they were right in front of you. That is the power of religion, belief perseverance, and the absence of critical thinking. Otherwise, you'd know that morality exist only at a chemical and social level, which vary from subject to subject. Morality is subjective..and is there only as a survival mechanism, nothing more.
ncPsychosis 7 months ago
There seems to be a great discordance between the chinese subtitle text and what the narrator says...is this the original narration or dubbed over?
The chinese translation seems to suggest a more instinctive tendencies to relieve sexual tension via masturbatory practices, and the association of same sex attempted homosexual acts is more so because the object is there and convenient...that is to say for the dolphin sticking its penile instrument into the blowhole of the other, it seems to
Houseofthe7gayboys 1 year ago
2) suggest that it really doesn't matter to the pitching dolphin whether it's the blowhole of a female or male dolphin, or a pocket plastic blowhole if such is handy and available...
There is a huge gap between masturbatory tendencies and sexual behavior and orientation, no?
Houseofthe7gayboys 1 year ago
I believe it is the original National Geographic narration, but I only copied it, so I can't say. I'm not surprised that the chinese translation is "toned down", shall we say, when gay films or promotion of such is banned on national tv. The chinese govt can't ignore the fact that gays exist, but although not illegal, it still seems to be very much a social taboo.
Regardless of this documentary's authenticity, years of research have proven homosexuality in animals exists. See my sidebar info
RobNorthampton 1 year ago
''Orangutangs...can retract their penis to create a cavity for other males to penetrate.''
Wow. That's pretty nuts.
sfurner 2 years ago
our friend tnut is a "Chicken Choker!" If you will line up, tnut will suck you off in short order. He actually told me that he sucks men off in every County that he visits, even in Asia, though he claims "they have small penises". So sad that a so-called "educated" man would be such a diseased carrying low-life!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
I don't suck Asians (sorry, no offense), because I don't find them attractive...
And, Hong Kong is not that great. In fact, the weather SUCKS< and its full of men with small penises. Doesn't sound like the "bomb" to me...! I had a friend who lived there for several years, and there are other problems that a visitor doesn't notice, but it's the hot weather that would convince me its not a good place to live. That's why I couldn't live in the Caribbean more than a year (which I did)....
lisztnut 2 years ago
tnut:
I love Hong Kong as it is without question one of the most beautiful and exciting Cities in the world! It is known as the "Shopper's Paradise" of the world. I know as all of my Suits are custom made by some of the best Tailors in the world.
By the way, what does your "partner" think of all of the sucking that you do? Is this indicative of the thousands of other "lovers" that Gay men have in their lifetime?
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
Hong Kong's not EVEN close to Tokyo! Obviously, you've never been there, otherwise you'd forget Hong Kong, believe me. And, I know you're envious of our sex life, it IS better than your's, but our private affairs are none of your business, are they? We are MARRIED, by the way. You, or your imaginary friend, don't have to acknoweldge it, as i could care less, but the government DOES and that's all that counts! We have our marriage licensed framed!
lisztnut 2 years ago
Nutty One:
God is going to show you just what He thinks of your perversion...when you die, which you will very shortly!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
I got my tails made in Thailand, and I've had suits made in Hong Kong and Singapore, too. but the Thai tailors were hands down the best. Figures you'd get that keep ass Hong Kong stuff.... You should upgrade and go to Bangkok...
lisztnut 2 years ago
Tnut:
I've had suits and shirts made in Thailand, and they in no way are at the quality and level of the Hong Kong Tailoring! Even Thai Tailors will admit it! By the way, did you suck off the Tailors for a discount?
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
Boner, that must REALLY, REALLY bug you that my marriage is EQUAL to yours. Wow, that must really make you insecure, huh? That's why you lash out at gay people. I can't help it that we're smarter than you, earn more money than you, travel WAY more than you, and have BETTER sex MORE often. Get over it, chump (or should I call you chimp, because we know where yo mama came from. De jungle...)
lisztnut 2 years ago
Tnutty:
You are not married...except in your own mind! Ha, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
Funny how that tax refund check came with both my name and my husbands name this year. It paid for our vacation in Australia, as a matter of fact... Interesting how I get the health insurance from my husband's job.... Hum, I could swear our marriage license has both our names on it, and is gender neutral. Are you sure, chump (chimp?)?
lisztnut 2 years ago
Nutty:
Refer to my comments below!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
Actually, I'm married in my mind, AND in the eyes of the STATE, which is all we care about. Your imaginary friend's opinion really doesn't matter, does it? Nor, does your half-monkey brain... So, there!
lisztnut 2 years ago
Not married! Why not? Because God doesn't recognize it and nor does the US Government! Remember DOMA?? Also, I don't acknowledge it!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
God has nothing to do with my marriage, since he doesn't exist. Got anything else to say? Does your imaginary friend sign my tax refund check? DOMA is in the process of being dismantled as we speak. Massachusetts is suing the Feds because they say it inters with their state's rights... And, it will be immediately invalidated anyway, once the Supremes overturn Prop 8. DOMA will be GONE! DADT will be GONE... Sucka...
lisztnut 2 years ago
Tnut:
Have a happy and "Blessed" Thanksgiving! May the Lord's mercy be your experience today, in Jesus Name!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
You better watch out. You don't know where yo ho put that turkey baster. Since you think of anal sex all the time, she hasn't gotten any in months...
lisztnut 2 years ago
tnut:
Happy Thanksgiving!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
PS DId you ever wonder how I learned all that authentic jive-talk? I worked in Harlem (yes, THAT Harlem) as the only whitey (honky) in a black organization for seven years. I could dis you all day and night. They called me "vanilla fudge." I've just only begun to snap on you... Just wait, sucka...
lisztnut 2 years ago
Tnut:
Wasssup Girl? How was your suck off today? By the way, does your girlfriend know how many other girls you've sucked off? That must be very interesting.
At least I know why you love the Big Black Billy Club up your Butt!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
Bones, I think you gots me mixed up with someone else. I ain't a girl, and I DEFINITELY don't have sex with no girls. YUCKKK! Asian girl say: I sucky you cocky? You speaky Engrish? I love you long time...
lisztnut 2 years ago
Tnut:
You are correct that you are not a girl! However, the sad part of your life is you think you're a girl.
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
No, I know I'm ALL man. That's why I go to the gym all the time, and have my muscles pumped. That's why girls look at me on the street, and I say, no thanks, girls, I'm already married! Did you think of that man-butt last time yo with dat ho of your's?
lisztnut 2 years ago
Tnut:
You may be a man physically, but there is no doubt that you think you're a woman by your behavior!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
On, no, trust me, I'm ALL man. There's NO question about it... I know you want to see my privates, but I'm married, and I don't want to go there with you....
lisztnut 2 years ago
Tnut:
I'm not interesting in seeing you as I already know you're a man...you just need to come to that realization!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
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lisztnut 2 years ago
Tnutty:
Did you go shopping on Black Friday for that big sale on Knee Pads at Wally World? What do you say to your perverted partner after he pokes you and discovers nothing but nasty bacteria and feces is all over his penis? What a nasty Sodomite you are!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
Hey, Boner man. Boy did I miss you! No, I HATE shopping, so another gay stereotype down the drain. My husband does most of the shopping for us. I don't need knee pads, cause I've built up calouses...
How did your shopping go? Get any white dildos so you can think of me, when you wit yo ho? I bet you secretly slip that white dildo on up in there while you havin relations wit dat ho.... And, all the time you's thinkin of havin my big white penis in yo big ass. I know...
lisztnut 2 years ago
Tnutty:
You really shouldn't refer to your own Mother as "Dat Ho" as it is not good for you and I am sure your Father wouldn't appreciate it. By the way, what kind of cleanser do you use to get the feces off of your Dough Boy Penis?
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
I think you'll have to come over and lick it off, what do you think? Have you seen da vid "The Bible Told me so"? Check it out on youtube. It's in nine parts. It turns out your interpretation of Sodom and Gomorrah is all WRONG. It wasn't about homosexuality. Check it out, sucka...
lisztnut 2 years ago
Tnutty:
Remember, you're the SUCKER! Won't waste my time with sexual perverts that try to undermind the Scriptures in order to justify their deviant and wicked lifestyle of being Sodomites!
Jude 1:7 makes it clear that S&G is about homosexual/unnatural sexual perversion. Read it if you can read!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
You need to see "The Bible Told Me So." It will change your life... First of all, the bible was not taken literally until the 20th Century. Did you know that? Before then, the bible was treated like a "metaphorical" piece rather than "literally." This would explain why suckas like you ACTUALLY believe the earth is 6000 years old, and that Methusela lived 900 years. Before the 20the Century, they did NOT believe this. You NEED to see this video, NOW!
lisztnut 2 years ago
@MrEbonyman Why can't you fundamentalist cristians get over it? Homosexuality exists, if you are not gay then you won't know any better because you are not. So, accept that people are different, get some therapy to overcome that phobia and be happy. Keep reading the scriptures, going to the church of your preference but understand that in the world everyone is different. You are more worried about the sexual orientation of gays more than your own, and more than gays.
34roberees 1 year ago
Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
Thanks for writing intelligently, however one thing I don't understand about your point is why is it that certain animals particpate in male on male anal intercourse to ejaculation if it isn't sexual in nature? You seem to be inferring that their behavior is NOT sexual. Do I misunderstand your point? Big horn sheep particpate in male anal intercourse to ejaculation and will throw any sheep out of the herd that doesn't participate. And, 450 species mate with same sex partners FOR LIFE.
lisztnut 2 years ago
Oh yes, it is of a sexual behavior, and I didn't deny that. It's only that in animals sexual behavior in more than gratification or reproduction. It is used, even against the same sex, to often show dominance. It sounds irrational, of course, however, animal behaviorist have conveyed this before.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
Thanks again for being civil. There are too many jerks out there. I think my point is that not only are the animals exhibiting homosexual sexual behavior, but they also "bond" in the same way we humans bond, and for life! Whether this is an emotional state or not is open to debate. The point is that nobody can say homosexuality is unnatural,becuase this is simply NOT the case. In fact, the APA states unequivocally that homosexuality is a naturally occuring form of human sexual behavior.
lisztnut 2 years ago
You're welcome, and thanks to you. But I have to disagree with you...There is documented proof of canniblism and rape in the animal kingdom, but that doesn't make it right or natural for humans. While some animals (like the lion) eat their young, neither supporters or opponents of gay rights have used this as an argument claiming infanticide or cannibalism is also natural. I think one should be wary when using homosexuality in animals to justify homosexuality in humans.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
I might add, that I don't use animal behavior as a way of saying that we should follow their lead. Far from it. I know we have brains that function on a much higher level (or SHOULD operate that way!). No, I'm just saying that homosexuality is in the animal kingdom, and therefore fits the definition of being "natural." For years the religious right surpressed any research into animal homosexualiy. But, the secret's out now, and can't be denied...
lisztnut 2 years ago
Also, remember that some animals exibit homosexual tendencies with other species of animal (e.i., a dog straddling a cat). Would you agree that this also makes beastiality in humans natural? I think these kinds of matters should be more thought out.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
I'd like to point out that most gay people don't even bring up animals in reference to homosexuality it really is a moot point, and I think we agree on that. HOWEVER, the reason I bring it up is to show that it IS a part of nature, and those who use religion as an excuse to deny gays civil rights are totally embarrassed when they find out that homosexuality IS natural. It shows them that their god did not "create" the perfect world they thought he did.
lisztnut 2 years ago
First, I wouldn't call gay marriage a civil right. The way I see it, gays and straights have the same marital rights. Both gays and straights cannot marry the same sex, and both gays and straights can marry someone of the opposite sex. It's exactly the same. I'm trying to offend you, but I'm only pointing out that gay marriage is not a civil rights issues, in my opinion.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
It certainly IS a civil rights issue. If it's not, then what constitutes a civil rights issue? What is a civil right? That's the crux of the matter. You're too young to know about this, but during the fight over interracial marriage, your exact argument was used. Well, a black person can marry someone of the same race, they don't need someone of a different race... It seems ridiculous now, but that's what they said. And, you are saying, well, you don't have to marry a same sex partner.
lisztnut 2 years ago
The anit-interracial marriage argument wouldn't be the same, in my eyes. Telling a black person he can't marry a white person, but telling a white person he can is unequal. However, gays and straights have the same options: marry a member of the opposite sex, not the same sex. Again, I'm not trying to offend and I'm not saying gays shouldn't marry, but that I don't see it as an issue of unequal rights.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
You are funny. Can you go back and read what you JUST said? You said that it was wrong to tell a black person that they HAD to marry someone of the same race, but it's OK to tell a homosexual person that they MUST marry an opposite sex partner. In other words, the rights of a black person who wishes to marry someone from a different race, are protected, but gay people have NO right to marry the person they love, it MUST be someone of the opposite sex. That's hypocritical, isn't it?
lisztnut 2 years ago
You are misunderstanding me. I said it is unequal to tell two races two different things (one can marry a white but one cannot). However gays and straights aren't being told two different things. They are being left with the same exact options (marry someone of the opposite sex) and so there is no inequality between them. One man may be allowed to marry someone, but by a law another man cannot marry that same person if he is that person's father...would you call that inequaity? Hardly, I'm sure.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
You are really being silly now, and I'm sort of losing patience with you. It's very simple, I CANNOT marry someone of the opposite sex, because I could never physically love that person. What YOU are asking a gay person to do is a ridiculous and EQUALLY REPULSIVE as asking YOU, a straight person, to marry a same sex partner. So, I'll ask you, could YOU marry someone of the same sex just to please society, your church or your family? Think about this before you answer...
lisztnut 2 years ago
The Mormons are PARTICULARLY embarrased by this, because they seem to have this delusion that everything their "heavenly father" created is perfect and good. They also have this delision that all people are "created" heterosexual, and gays "choose" their "lifestyle." I'd like to point out that sexual orientation is NOT a lifestyle. It would be like saying someone is living the "female lifestyle." I'm a legally married gay man, and live the very same lifestyle as any straight couple.
lisztnut 2 years ago
Secondly, I don't think you addressed my previous argument. Rape, murder, cannibalism, and infancticide is common among all animals, but would you agree that these behaviors are natural for humans also? Animals show tendencies of beastiality as well, but I'm sure you wouldn't say humans having sex with animals is natural.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
I DID answer your point. I said, we are human and do not have to look to the animal kingdom for our behavior. In fact, our brains function at a much higher level, therefore we are expected to act in a more civilized way.
lisztnut 2 years ago
Well, not quite what I meant, but I'll take it. My point was I don't think homosexuality in animals should be easily considered proof it as natural because animals exibit all sorts of behavior that would rationally never be deemed natural.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
Yes, but you CANNOT say that homosexuality is unnaturalm, can you? And, YET people DO say this... This is FALSE, and I stand up to people who say that homsexuality is unnatural by pointing to the animal kingdom. Homsexuality IS as natural as the sky. If you believe in god, then HE created it...
lisztnut 2 years ago
No, I do not believe homosexuality is natural. Not to say it's wrong (personally, I'm in no postition to judge to that length and I'm very unsure whether or not it is), but hardly natural. Although homosexual tendencies are very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting need to engage in homosexual behavior while excluding heterosexual behavior entirely. Thus, a homosexual orientation seems non-existant.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
Again, you are plain WRONG. I've already pointed out to you that animals DO have homosexual pairings that are LIFELONG. Are you denying this reality? It's silly, because this is PROVEN... I can send you an article about sexual orientation that is written by a straight man with no agenda. He points out that sexual orientation is INNATE and IMMUTABLE. You can believe whatever you want to believe, even that Santa might bring you presents. But, it isn't the TRUTH!
lisztnut 2 years ago
You keep misunderstanding me, perhaps subconciously it's your bias? This is what I'm saying: Homosexual orientation is defined by sexual behavior with the same sex while excluding any and all sexual behavior with the opposite sex. While animals do exibit homosexual behavior, they do not exibit homosexual behavior to the extent to ignore the need to reproduce with the opposite sex. So it can't be said that a homosexual orientation is natural based on animal behavior.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
Yes, I guess I wasn't clear on this. From what I've read on this topic, which hasn't been a lot. Those animals that mate with same sex partners for life do NOT reproduce with an opposite sex partner. They remain in a same sex relationship EXCLUSIVELY. This again has been documented. Some scientists believe that it is nature's way of controlling the populations of some animals, and that is is actually essential for the survival of the species. You know that the earth is overpopulated, too?
lisztnut 2 years ago
Really??? Not to assume you're misinformed, but I'd like to know where you read this if you can remember. Honestly, it sounds a bit exaggereated, but you say it's documented.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
I'm sorry I missed which point you're referring to. Do you mean about animals mating for life with same sex partners? I HAVE read that somewhere. You are probably good enough at using google to find it very easily. Just google: Homosexuality in animals, and I'll bet you find lots of articles and books about it. Wish I could sit down and have coffee with you and discuss further, because you've been very pleasant to interact with, and I appreciate it. I need some sleep, though!
lisztnut 2 years ago
Okay, night night, sweetheart. I hope to catch you again sometime =)
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
OK, go on wikipedia (not the best source, of course), and there is an article called "monogamous pairing in animals." I bet you'll find what you're looking for...
lisztnut 2 years ago
lisztnut:
I see you're still trying to use the example of an animal to justify your sick and deviant behavior. I wouldn't go to the Zoo in order to learn how I am suppose to live my life!
Some animals kill their own! Some animals eat their own babies flesh. Will you follow suit? There are no Homosexual animals, pure and simple!
God will judge you for your refusal to repent and for living such a wicked life,and He won't listen to the nonsense of "I did it because two Tigers were kissing"
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
Nobody's using an animal. I mean if we want to use animals, we'd have to say it the Africans (YOUR people) who started AIDS, because they had sex with monkeys. That explains where YOU came from. Yo mama was a monkey! LOL!
lisztnut 2 years ago
One more thing you seem to forget. Humans have a capacity to "love" someone, therefore we seem to be more highly developed than animals, who do not seem to have this same level of emotional bonding. Therefore, it IS important, at least in our modern society, to marry someone we love and not someone that our family arranged (like in previous times and cultures). Love IS important to marriage, do you agree?
lisztnut 2 years ago
I agree love is important in marriage, and even though I'm split on the issues of gay marriage I believe people should be allowed to be happy. However, it's intresting you mentioned arranged marriages, because arranged marriages have the lowest divorce rate amongst all married couples - even in the cultures which do freely allow divorce. I think learning to love someone is the same as loving them effortlessly.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
Good night to you too! I have heard about arranged marriages having a high success rate, but could this also be due to the fact that those cultures forbid divorce? It's NOT an option... It used to be this way in our culture. Divorce was absolutely forbidden..
lisztnut 2 years ago
lisztnut:
Yes, we're denying this foolishness! You were not born gay and just like the Gay Doctor himself, Simon Levay has said for the record, "There are no Gay Genes nor and DNA factors that causes people to be Gay!"
He was a Sissy himself, had a gay lover that died of AIDS, and is the leading Geneticist in the Western World!
You don't have a leg to stand on for choosing to sucking on men's penises and allowing yourself to be Sodomized in the Butt!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
Nobody cares about the gay gene. There's no gene for eye color, or for handedness either. Our sexual orientation is caused (both heterosexual AND homosexual) by a combination of factors, NONE of which involve a choice. It is probably a combo of genes (proven by research in identical twins), hormones and other biological factors. Environment, according to most experts, plays NO role. And, your still obsessed with that anal sex, aren't you? What's wrong you can only think of men's butts?
lisztnut 2 years ago
lisztnut:
It is none of the above! It has to do with you having unnatural lust for other men and you have chosen to allow that lust to go unchecked!
Every time you take a man's penis into your mouth it is a choice. Every time you allow yourself to be Sodomized, it is a choice!
Every time you go to a "new Country and suck off on other men", (your exact words) it is equally a choice!
Yes, you made the choice of being a Booty Rooster! Now you can make the choice to repent and turn away!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
Can I ask a favor of you? I just want you to find out if you're actually a closet gay, which I'm SURE is true. So, the next time you are having relations with that nappy-headed, fat-assed, skanky ho you call yo "woman," I want you to think of some nice bulbous muscle guy's hairy tight ass instead of her stinky grand canyon. See if this makes you more excited. You might be surprised, and find out you don't need Viagra next time. So, remember think of anal sex when you with yo ho!
lisztnut 2 years ago
Also, please don't be upset with Christians. I don't agree with their methods, but their intentions are good. They believe homosexuality is a sin, and they fear of people and our society being desensitized to it and losing their souls. The main purpose of every Christian is to save as many people as possible for their own welfare. I know you may feel persecuted by them, but their intentions are well meant. You may have had negative experiences, I'm sure, but at least know that.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
You don't have to tell me about Christians. My father is an Evangelical minister. I read the bible cover to cover (like a good boy) at 14 and I rejected it. I thought it was false, and I now have PROOF. The bible says the earth is 6000 years old, when in FACT it is MILLIONS of years old, and this cannot be disputed. We have found human footprints that predate Adam and Eve by 1.4 million years. So, for someone to use this book to oppress MY rights, it IS wrong.
lisztnut 2 years ago
I'm not denying you know about Christians. I'm only telling you not to harbor resentment against them because it's only out of love for you that they do what they do. Believe me, that is the root of it all. Any Christian who oppresses you is not a true Christian.
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
I like what you said "Any Christian who oppresses you is not a true Christian." So, that would mean that all those Mormons that worked for Prop 8 (and spent MILLIONS of their own dollars) and the Catholic church are both non-Christian? I'm glad you are blunt about it, and not mincing words. I happen to agree with you. For a group that was persecuted for their polygamy, and their leader was MURDERED, to turn around and oppress another group simply because they don't believe the same is WRONG!
lisztnut 2 years ago
Do you know that there ARE Mormon groups out there that actually support marriage equality for all?
Check out these websites, it will blow you away. Apparently, their church leadership is losing their grip on their congregants:
mormonsformarriage com
ldsapology org
affirmation org
lisztnut 2 years ago
That is intresting. Thank you. I can hardly be surprised they are losing membership when their support for gay marriage contradicts the Christian faith. However, I'm a Christian and I don't know if I believe homosexuality is wrong, so maybe I'm contradicting my own faith?
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
I just sent you an article about sexual orientation, is it a choice? It's fairly easy to read, but there are some scientific charts that might be confusing because of the cut and paste. You can google the article if you want to see it in an easier to read format.... By the way, do YOU think sexual orientation is a choice? Do you think we "choose" to be right or left handed?
lisztnut 2 years ago
Did you know in the 1950s gay men had only two options? You "hide" your sexual orientation by marrying a woman. You could remain celibate or have secret sex with men (usually other "married" men). It was a sad and tragic time. It is only within the last forty years that gay people felt free enough to have open relationships, I never thought marriage would be an option in my lifestime, but there is NO question it WILL be the law of the land one day. NO question. And, it is worldwide, too!
lisztnut 2 years ago
And, lisztnut, just asking for your opinion on this after reading part of the message you sent me...I could say homosexuality is a choice - not a choice to have the tendences to be gay, but a choice whether or not to practice it. I'm straight and in a great relationship with my first and only boyfriend, but I've always found women to be physically more attractive than men. A beautiful woman really catches my eye. Could I be a bi-sexual choosing a heterosexual lifestyle?
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
Sorry, I thought all along that you were a guy! Silly me... Maybe this explains why you're so thoughtful and well spoken (and respectful??)... Do you know about the Kinsey study? He did research on human sexuality in the 1950s. He came to the conclusion that ALL of us are born bisexual, and have a tendency to be more gay or more straight. You seem to be living proof that YOU are human! Congratulations!
lisztnut 2 years ago
Thank you for calling me thoughtful and well-spoken ^_^ Hmm. Never heard of that theory before. Thanks, that is very insiteful. However, I'm sure I'll never act on my attraction to women. It would be rather awkward, haha. I don't think any homosexual tendency I may have goes that far, but it is good to know that I may actually have those tendencies at all! Intresting...
Noel08Blueheart 2 years ago
I hope you don't think I'm corrupting you but when I had sex with women I knew full well that I was only attracted to men. I partially did it to "test" my true feelings, and it confirmed 100 percent that I was gay. In your case, I'm not saying to go out and have sex with a girl, but I'm saying that at some point in your life this COULD come up. Don't be frightened about it. Do you know a VERY high percentage of people who identify as straight have had sex with same sex partners?
lisztnut 2 years ago
You know, the Catholic church actually gets this totally right in one sense. They believe that homsexuality is innate and immutable, therefore they recommend that gay people remain celibate and have NO sexual relationships of ANY sort. I think this is a far more humane and actually informed way to treat this issue. They do NOT tell gay people to get into heterosexual relationships, because they view it as unhealthy, and unfair to the partner of such a person.
lisztnut 2 years ago
@lisztnut Aaah the '50's. Such a great time in American history. Back when you all had to stay in the closet. Where you belong.
themitch1966 2 weeks ago
@themitch1966 nope I've never been in closet, and I'm a proud homosexual. That annoys you doesn't it? Aren't you sad that you aren't in the 1950s. See, gay people have always been here and outperforming heterosexuals in life, it's just that now you realize that the top men of genius are gay. In the 1950s nobody knew this.
lisztnut 2 weeks ago
@lisztnut Oh do tell me who all these great gay "men of genius" are ,Lizt.
themitch1966 1 week ago
@themitch1966 here are the great gay men of genius:
1 Leonardo da Vinci (possibly the greatest inventor of all time, in addition to one of the greatest artists of all time).
2 Michaelangelo (also one of the greatest artists of all time, who created the Sistine Chapel fresco as well as the most celebrated statue of all time)
3 Socrates (invented a teaching method still in use today, as well as being one of the greatest philosophers)
lisztnut 1 week ago
@themitch1966 you will never be able to find ANY scientific evidence that backs up the claim that being homosexual is a choice. If you find it, please let me know. So far science has confirmed that homosexuality is not a choice, and is biologically determined, with very little to ZERO influence of environment. I love the Christians who will tell you that being gay is a choice, and then ten minutes later claim it to be a mental illness. WTF? How can an illness be chosen?
lisztnut 1 week ago
@themitch1966 does it really bother you that gay men do better in life than you? We earn more money, have more education