@ZekePrower actually they aren't they may call them lasers but they are not l.a.s.e.r.s also keep in mind lasers of sufficient firepower can damage or destroy federation vessels and ships, it's just that most races capable of that kind of firepower switched to other types of energy weapons. Star Wars is no different, they just continue to call their weapons lasers.
However, a large number of low yield l.a.s.e.r. armed vessels CAN pose a threat to the Enterprise D (TNG: Loud as a whisper)
@Perion: I'm tight with Mike, but don't take his every conclusion as gospel. He says, "Why would it endanger [the E-D] to fly into a war zone contested with laser weaponry?"
Simply because Worf detected "very intense" "laser activity" doesn't preclude the possibility of other weapons. It IS a WARZONE, after all. Moreover, they intend to BEAM DOWN a mediator to a planet in this warzone. Remember what happens to shields when you transport somebody off a ship? :D
@senatus Remember it's not the main shields that are allegedly immune to laser weaponry by some people, it's the navigational shields, which do not have to be altered much less deactivated when beaming.
Heh, true, but it's nonsensical. Why would something that stops micrometeorites stop a laser? They don't stop a star's light from reaching the ship. Moreover, the nav deflectors extend hundreds of meters or more ahead of a ship, but lasers fired on the E-D (like the Lysian drones used in "Conundrum", IIRC) strike the standard shield bubble. Weird.
Doesn't really matter. I think the "no laser!" argument is stupid, especially given turbolasers aren't lasers :)
@senatus Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
Laser cannons don't penetrate Federation shields. Picard thought it interesting that the old regulations called for yellow alert when there wasn't even a threat.
@Austindude3954 and 3 problems with this line of thought, 1 Star Wars don`t use Lasers, only weapons they call Lasers but share none of the characteristics thereof.
2. Even if they were lasers, the Lasers the federation have encountered are on the kilowatt to megawatt range, races capable of greater power have switched to other weapons, the Empire is no different, they just kept the old name.
3. In the very next episode, picard refuses to endanger his ship by entering a laser filled warzone
@mgasplin As I understand it there is no real explanation on what blasters, lasers and turbolasers are. They are not plasma as they ignore gravity, and they are not lasers either since they're visible in vaccum, interact with other turbolaser bolts etc.
@Austindude3954 obvious reasons really, An Imperial station of any given size invariably has stronger shields and weapons than an Imperial ship of equal size due to the fact that it does not require to power things like engines or hyperdrive,
And considering an Imperial ship the size of a Galaxy class has over 10,000x the firepower, enough to outgun the alpha quadrant (and considerably more power for shields) an Imperial Station of equal size or larger is going to be even more powerful.
@Austindude3954 Acclamators alone have 12 quad barreled medium turrets and 24 dual barreled point defense guns
Venator class Star Destroyers have 8 Heavy guns along either side of the bridge tower, as well as 2 medium guns near the front and more than 50 point defense guns
Imperial class have 8 heavy guns on either side of the bridge tower, and almost 100 medium guns around the ship, including 3 tripple barreled axial guns, 6 quad barreled trench guns, and so on and so forth, + point defense
@Perion and Point defense, light guns are generally on the Megaton scale, while Medium guns are on the gigaton scale, and heavy guns are on the Teraton scale.
overall firepower of each ship under normal combat situations is roughly
Acclamator: 2.4 teratons per second
Venator: 275 teratons per second
Imperial: 800 teratons per second
Remember the Acclamator is primarily a Dropship, not a warship, so the Venator being over 100x more powerful makes sense.
@Perion: At 800 TT/sec., that means an ISD could vaporize 5 klick Nickel/Iron asteroids literally at a rate of 800 PER SECOND. (Check Michael's asteroid destruction calculator.)
Granted, that's centrally-buried nukes vs. directed energy weapons; in reality, a teraton turbolaser would probably be limited to vaping a rock many times smaller -- maybe a klick.
Does that make any sense to you? 800 one km wide asteroids vaporized per second? The broadsides we see onscreen are nowhere near that.
@senatus We don't see any broadsides against asteroids in any of the films, and that's average per second for the entire weapons systems at full power. We do see light, point defense guns being used to pick off asteroids in ESB, which are 7 megatons per shot. But the heavies and full powered broadsides are never seen used until the battle of endor, where we see the heavy guns being used by an ISD in the background, the bolts from those are absolutely enormous.
@Perion: I'm well aware of what we see the light TLs do. I'm credited on Turbolaser Commentaries.
We do see a broadside in "Sith." Maybe the Venstar had reason to hold back, but the Invis. Hand didn't. The supposed teraton per shot cannons resulted in perhaps 40m-wide gouts of flame time and again.
One also wonders why, if it takes hundreds of teratons/sec. (if not more) to drop a capship's shields, why did that Neb-B and the Executor even bother to exchange light TL fire?
@ myself: My point is many-fold but, for starters, I think it's a little silly to apply max spec to typical combat situations. For example, even though I have doubts about an ISD firing 800 million MT/ second -- seemingly excessive, given that a typical BDZ supposedly lasts hours, to say nothing of the fact that Slave Ship says the heavies had recoil bracings rated for the GT range -- can it do that in space battle? How long can it sustain such a bombardment? How much fuel is consumed? Etc.
@senatus We know that Hypermatter is stored rather unusually (super dense/tachyonic and some sources even say extra-dimensionally, so it's impossible to know how long they can do so.) and on the BDZ section It said under an hour didn't it?
@senatus also admittedly when I said normal combat situations I was referring to without drawing power from other systems, I mean it seems to me like it would be logical for them to run the reactor at full tilt when it's do or die like that. But again given the unknown duration such a bombardment can be sustained at, it's tough to say.
@senatus As for the recoil bracings, we know that the Venator can draw all of it's reactor power into the guns, which no doubt includes when the reactor is being run at full capacity, and the energy figures for that are 3 times what I listed for straight firepower (assuming reactor power is normally divided up for weapons, engines and shields evenly).
@senatus The teraton per shot cannons were firing at durasteel plating, so I don't see how that's really a problem. The Neb B was just one of many, many ships attacking the executor, so what it brought to the table isn't really that important.
@Perion: Fine point :), but I still have problems with the small holes we see blown in the Venator attacking the Invisible Hand. I mean, the Death Star's surface was made of durasteel, and Luke's X-Wing could punch holes in it. Since an X-Wing's only good for perhaps a couple dozen kilotons/sec (if that), I think you see where I'm going. If kilotonnage can gouge holes in durasteel, it seems to me that billions of kilotons/shot should have a much greater effect than we usually see.
@senatus yeah but the X-Wing was blasting at the surface and tower guns, so it's kinda tricky to say, also it was made out of Quadanium. not Durasteel.
@Perion Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
@Perion: Those relative stats make sense. Hasn't it been said that Victory-class destroyers and Venators are an approximate match? Wasn't it also written that it'd take two or three Vicstars to take on an Imperator/Imperial?
Bro, you need to crossfade your audio track. These are great videos, but im just trying to help. Idk what program you use but if you have to option to crossfade, you will have a way better videos and more views. Crossfade is usually very easy to do and you probrally have it on your editor and it will make everything sound more smoothly. I know this sounds like a douchbag comment but just trying to help out.
Watching these videos I understand how bad they translated the original SW trilogy in Italian and I'm not talking about the changes in some names (Han=Ian, Vader=Fener, Leia= Leila, Death Star=Black Death), but about real errors. This video, anyway, is amazing, but the single phaser shoot which annhilate an imperial destroyer is a bit too crazy. It's very funny when Sisko says O'Brien to take DS9 shields back, but then the station explodes. Where is part 3?
@ilania95 Hmm dont know if anyone mentioned this. In Star Trek lasers cant even penetrate navigational shields. Lasers are the top wep of Star Wars. A shuttle packs more power than the death star.
@DEbunkinator It's a myth as laser weapons have damaged Star Trek vessels before(borg uses lasers as I understand it) . It's all about the yield of the laser that is used. A laser with enough firepower can damage a Federation starships just as good as any other weapon. And Star Wars don't use lasers but some form of exotic massless particle beam which just happens to be called "laser" in their galaxy.
@onlypeaceindeath You are perfectly right. To the point, do you know who first used the word "laser" as a synom of "raygun" in a sci-fi work? I hope he/she knows how many misunderstandings have come from that terrible lexical choice.
@ilania95 The words "raygun", "laser", "heat-ray" and "death-ray" must be as old as science fiction itself. The funny thing is that they are often the same kind of weapon.
Won't matter, a single star destroyer outguns the entire alpha quadrant. They could send the entirety of Starfleet to fight a single Star Destroyer and the Star Destroyer would win without so much as a shield fluctuation.
all they have to do is tell the borg wher the emporer is and whell that's the end of the empier as we know it but he'll come bac saying "we are the borg resistance is futile"
And the Emperor would say "we are the empire, assimilation is futile", followed by the Star Destroyers shredding the Borg fleet since the Borg cannot adapt to imperial weapon systems..
No Borg cannot adapt to all weapons, we have seen them incapable of adapting to. A) 8472 weapons B) Ion Storms C) Solar Flares D) Bullets E) Knives F) Fists G) Energy weapons that they cannot match frequency with The Empire's Ion cannons are much more powerful than Ion Storms, The Empire's Turbolasers are much more powerful than Solar Flares. The Empire's Energy Weapons and shields have no frequency to match as they are not phase coherent, so the Borg cannot adapt to them.
The only thing I want to note is a minor nitpick. Yeah, that one Borg ship was destroyed by a solar flare. But if you do a search on that at SD.net, seanrobertson had some interesting conclusions about why flares are so lethal. IIRC, in brief, it was the intensity of the magnetic field, not the plasma, that was so deadly. I could dig into that more and send you a message if you like, but I have to surrender the PC to my ingrate siblings now :D
Imperial ships are made out of Neutronium, which 7 of 9 herself stated was beyond the Borg's ability to fight against or Assimilate, and it is impervious to any weapon we have seen in Star Trek.
Why Sisko didn't leave DS9 to Kira and attacked teh Imperial fleet with the Defiant and a squad of runabout? They could bomb the shield generators and make the destroyers weaker!
Those globes aren't shield generators, It's a common misconception since the Executor lost bridge shields (due to ackbar's the other big rebel ships pounding the hell out of it) and had a few A-wings take out a Sensor globe almost simultaneously, even some of the games get it wrong.
But yeah it wouldn't work, the Defiant would meet a similar fate to the Valiant during a similar mission.
I think that we are forgetting 1 thing, where as SW has power ST has numbers, and in any situation like this even the Borgs would pitch in to ensure their survival. my point is that numbers can defeat strength with the right stragity so if say a small portion of the ST ships w8 in ambush while the main force engages head on SW would be decimated. although with SW "Fortress planet" ST couldn't dream of eradicating SW any time soon. and that friends is my argument.
@71tofu That could only work if SW power was not as great as it is. I mean, a single Star Destroyer is said to be able to turn an Earth-sized planet into a ball of molten rock before anyone is capable of escaping. Even fighters are capable of vaporizing asteroids that are 5-10 meters in diameter. A small flotilla of Star Destroyers could pretty much hold the line by themself against all the Star Trek navies combined without much of a problem.
@onlypeaceindeath but we must rember my tactic. also SW ships are unable to trn a full 180 degres, we must also not forget the teleporters with ST they can port the engins or the ships power source outside of the ship. all im saying is each side has its advanteg and both war would last for such a long time that ST would soon become as high tec as SW let s not forget that. also photon torpedos have a single advanteg, they are small and portable. any ships carry them even shuttles.this is my reply
@71tofu Transporters would be totally useless once the star destroyers are starting to spew out ECM, and they would not need to turn that much eithe due to the numerous weapons emplacements that cover most of the hull. Also fighters combined with massive jamming would make it more or less impossible for Star Trek ships to target them because of their limited experience and equipment against heavy ECM.
@onlypeaceindeath and to clarify the "cant turn 180 degrees" they cant do it fast enough to avoid getting hit with about 100 photon torpedoes. im sorry to say both side are evenly matched. especially consider that this would be the spices different spec. 1. Borgs: ship production, some infantry but mainly ships. 2. Kleon: infantry due to their great strength. 3. federation: firearms, some ships. troops for a short period of time though firearms would be the main production.
@71tofu As i said, heavy jamming will make it hell for Star Trek to hit anything. And a 100 photon torpedoes would not even be a threat for a Star Destroyer. Just because Star Trek ships are so fragile doesn't mean that Star Wars has to be. Remember that Star Destroyers could stay for a extended period of time inside a very large and violent asteroid field without any larger losses. Photon torpedoes would not even tickle their shields (not even their hulls).
@onlypeaceindeath to get indepth of the federation 1. Humans: firearms, some troops. 2. Vulcan: assassins due to their multiple moves that can disable the enemy and reg troops due to their great agility. as you can see the federation has a much wider range of troops available iv no doubt that if a team of some elite Vulcan assassins can take out a large portion of the troops on Bord of the SW ship and take out main technicians and all of the pilots. that is the end of my reply.
@71tofu Star Wars. Tanks, walkers, repulsor lift vehicles, heavy artillery, scout vehicles, machine guns, heavy machine guns, mortars, sub machine guns, power armors, flame throwers etc. Star Trek has nothing on the ground. With a small army of 10.000 stormtroopers a boarding action against a Star Destroyer would be suicide, considering also that Star Trek lacks any heavy weapons support as far as i know it.
The only Thalaron weapons ever seen were on the Scimitar and Shinzon's faction, both of which were destroyed, not only that but the Scimitar's Thalaron weapon required a great deal of time to charge up, meanwhile the scimitar was helpless,.
it would eat a Turbolaser and be reduced to stray atoms before it finished spreading it's wings.
not only that, but the Thaleron weapon's affects on a Star Destroyer are completely unknown, for all you know it could be totally useless.
@Perion but have we completely forgotten when i said LOOK AT THE ST WEAPONS LIST PLZ! i meen ill even poast a link! (h t t p : / / e n . w i k i p e d i a . o r g / w i k i / L i s t _ o f _ w e a p o n s _ i n _ S t a r _ T r e k) srry about the spaces
@Perion Also leme list the catagories of stuff they got, Disruptors, Varon-T disruptors, Lasers though considered out of date they still exist because of smugglers, Pulse cannons, Phase cannons, Phase pistols, Phased polaron cannon, of course Phasers, Thalaron radiation, it still exists, at least if there are not already some made and ready for use then the plans exists, Metreon cascade, Trilithium resin, Cobalt diselenide(not much use but still exists, KaBar combat knife, Katana, Jem'Hadar,
@Perion Stormtroopers would be Jem'Hadar lunch meat, if Jem'Hadar had to eat at all. These born warriors are much stronger and faster than any human, never sleep, live every moment of their lives for victory in combat, and *can become invisible at will without the aid of technology*. They can also shoot straight, a decisive advantage against pathetically incompetent Stormtroopers. Lasers are lasers. Vibroblades sound like some kind of kinky sex toy.
@71tofu Don't forget red matter, genesis devices, nanoprobes, biotechnology, matter transporters and replicators, and Guinan. You don't F with Guinan, even if you're Darth Vader.
Red matter is useless as a weapon, and only exists in the Abramsverse.
Genesis Device (singular) is also useless as it would have no effect on planetary or even ship shields, not to mention all the scientists who made it are dead and all the files save for the introduction/proposal were destroyed.
Nanoprobes < Bacta
Imperial have better Biotechnology,
Transporters are useless against shields, Neutronium and ECM
Imperials have better Replicators that can make Neutronium and eat planets
@Perion A pea-sized quantity of red matter can create black holes, or destroy an entire planet. Genesis Devices can remake the surface of a planet in minutes, even bring the long dead back to life. Nanoprobes are atomic-scale programmable machines that can do almost anything. Transporters aren't useless against shields if the shield frequency is known. If the Empire had replicators that could eat planets, spending so much effort building Death Stars shows how strategically boneheaded they are.
"Nanoprobes are atomic-scale programmable machines that can do almost anything." No they aren't they are cellular scale and Bacta is better.
The World Devastators were made after the Death Stars, so no they weren't bone headed they just hadn't made them yet, World Devastators also take a helluva lot longer to destroy a planet.
Red Matter needs to be drilled into the core which takes time, Interdictor fields can disperse quantum singularities like the kind red matter produces.
The Genesis device has no affect on shields, entire planets are shielded in star wars.
Transporters cannot beam through Star Wars shields because they are incoherent wave forms IE they have no frequency to match, not to mention the fact that they still cannot beam through the neutronium hulls or get through even low level EM Interference let alone the spacial distortions caused by Imperial ECM.
No matter how many times you use a simple minded excuse, they are not lasers as we or trek know them
@Perion If SW shields are so different, how do we know Federation transporters can't beam through them, or that they don't have some other weakness that a top Starfleet Engineer could use? And yes, the word laser carries a very specific meaning, so I believe that when SW says something is a laser, it is a laser.
If bacta is so great, why does Vader require a life support suit after his accident, and why the robo-hand for Luke? Medicine in SW is depicted as less advanced, bacta or no bacta.
I don't recall nanoprobes ever restoring anyone's limbs, and Borg surgically add the majority of the implants, the nanoprobes are just the start.
Actually medicine in SW is depicted as far more advanced, Luke's Robo hand is a perfect example as it was far superior to nog's artifical leg, artifical limbs are part of standard medical supplies, Nog was taken out of the entire fight because of it and spent months in rehabilitation.
in SW they would go to a mash unit, get a robo-limb and sent back.
Vader's artificial spine is further proof of Imperial medical superiority over the Federation, As they cannot replace a severed spinal cord, Worf had to rely on his own klingon healing which Dr Crusher could not assist with beyond a new spine, but the damage to the nervous system itself was something Worf had to deal with.
SW Medical tech can heal people from even the most Grievous of Injuries.
SW shields block transporters for the same reason other shields and interference do, it's a barrier.
ST shields are known for having bizarre radiation bypass their shields, SW shields do not, Transporter beams are just that, beams IE energy waves, they can no more arbitrarily bypass shields than anything else.
So when Zephram cochrane referes to a phaser as a Laser you believe him?
Or when they call a phaser rifle a rifle it must have rifling even though it doesn't?
The term Laser in trek may have a specific meaning, but in Star Wars and to most people it's interchangeable with ray gun.
Also visuals trump dialogue, if the dialogue says Laser and the Visuals show something that shares little to no resemblance to a L.a.s.e.r. than guess what? it's not a L.a.s.e.r.
There's a difference in fact between the word Laser and L.a.s.e.r. the latter is specific while the former doesn't have to be.
Also Percussion Pistol, doesn't shoot percussion caps at people, it uses them to ignite the gunpowder
The only capacity in which SW Lasers use L.a.s.e.r. in any way is to ignite Tibanna gas.
The EU supports the use of the word Laser as slang, a fact that the films never contradict, and is thus canon, the EU also supports them being a form of Tibanna Plasma weapon / Particle beam, which the Visuals in the films also supports, Tibanna gas being a major export as a component in SW weapons (cloud city) and Liquid Tibanna being a very powerful explosive capable of blasting apart Neutronium (The Clone Wars: Rookies) also proves that the weapons in Star Wars are NOT L.a.s.e.r.
When confronted with such a massive wealth of evidence it becomes clear that your interpretation of what they mean by "Laser" is wrong, and your entire argument of Federation vessels being immune to lasers is unrealistic and based on taking one line of dialogue to insane proportions via a No limits fallacy.
Especially when every laser shown in trek is in the low megawatt range tops, vast majority of races capable of higher powered weapons have switched to another type, SW is no different.
He'res a canon example of a Technology the Federation thought was outdated and a race that still uses it getting better performance than what the Feds currently use.
Impulse engines are generally thought of as superior to Ion engines in Star Trek but there was at least one instance where they encountered a ship with Ion Engines that boasted superior performance to their Impulse Engines, Impulse is better than modern Ion engines, but not Star Wars Ion Engines which are radically different.
uh, have you ever seen what an Ion engine looks like while active? even modern ones make a clear blue glow out the back of them, what do Star Destroyer Engines look like from the back?
@Perion so they should be SUPER slow he ion engins we use atm are very slow and most of the object is he ion engen but the star destroyer is not even half engen so they would go at a speed of lol
Actually the bulk of a Star Destroyer's mass is in it's aft section, open your eyes and notice how it tapers towards the front into that dagger shape.
The Ion Engines we use are nothing like the Ion engines the Empire have, and the Federation have encountered Races that use Ion Engines with superior performance to their Impulse drives before.
performance and function is what matters, not what they call their technology which is completely irrelevant.
The problem with determining whether or not one would win against the other is that Star Wars technology is so ill-defined. Star Wars strength is in its mythos and its universe and characters.
While Star Wars is about exploring inward, Trek is about exploring outward. Apples and oranges, really.
But considering that Trek ships' shields are likely far superior to anything in Wars, I'd have to put money on Trek. The technology is simply more clear.
first you go on and try to say they are incomparable, then you turn around and make baseless and patiently false claims.
Shields in Star Wars have been able to withstand punishment far greater than anything in Trek, 8 photon torpedoes took out the Enterprise A's shields in "Undiscovered country" and these were lower yield, 23rd century ones, in the 24th century shield technology has not apparently grown as much as photon torpedo tech, since fewer photons are needed.
Also, by TNG, photon torpedo yields are anywhere from 500 kilotons to 24 megatons equivalent, which compared to the fighter launched missiles of Star Wars is pathetic, since it's standard for concussion missiles to have a 191 megaton yield, which means one Concussion missile would very likely destroy the Enterprise A, since it's worth anywhere from 8 to 382 TNG era photon torpedoes, depending on if you go with the higher end Tech manual yield or the MUCH lower on screen observed yield.
and a s well for a real anylysis of sci fi tech between these two go to kitsune conversions. the st vs sw site not mr wongs. and a other few choice site that are nuetral.
@TheSundown2010 ah... you must mean other sites that are just ST fanboys imaging up scenarios where they could actually win by ignoring all evidence of how powerful Star Wars is. Face it... ST would be doomed.
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Wow ... wqhere do you people get this stuff?? roflol .....clueless completely clueless ... all of you. How about actually researching the energy outputs from an official Lucasfilm LTD approved Tech Manual ... lord have mercy people your numbers are completely off the charts lol ... a Tie Fighter producing 32 terrawatts of energy just for its laser based weapon ... lol
um, that's where the 32 terawatt figure came from...
Star Wars Complete Cross sections, an official Lucasfilm LTD approved tech manual, clearly states on page 52 that Slave 1 has 8 terajoules per shot for it's main "lasers" Slave 1 had an on screen firing rate of 480 rpm for 64 terawatts,
on page 61 it states Geonosian fighters have 10 terajoules per shot from their laser. and finally page 50 says that the Jedi starfighter has 1 kiloton (4 terajoules) per shot from each of it's twin cannons.
as a result, 4 to 8 terajoules per shot for a TIE fighter doesn't stretch credibility since it was designed to replace the Jedi Interceptor, which had largely replaced the Jedi Starfighter, as well as replacing the V-wing, which had more firepower than the Jedi Interceptor. as well as being 20 years after Slave 1, which eventually replaced the two 8 terajoule lasers in favour of Ion cannons.
TIE fighters also have an on screen firing rate approximately half of that of Slave 1, but they fire both guns simultaneously rather than alternatively, so it could very well be 64, but 32 is often used to be conservative.
the visual dictionary shows that "Lasers" in star wars have more in common with plasma weapons, the term Laser is a carryover from bygone times.
I suggest you do the research first before accusing someone of not doing so, you would have avoided looking like a hypocrite then.
funniest part is that not only is everything rebuiltHK47 true, but in a later episode we saw Lasers shaking the ship around and even carving up holes in the Enterprise's hull, Picard was clearly talking about that particular ship, and most lasers in Trek don't exceed the low megawatt range.
Phasers go into higher megawatt range, while weapons in the mid Gigawatt range are a considerable threat, capable of taking out galaxy class shields in one shot, regardless of them being lasers or not.
The federation has never encountered a race that uses mid gigawatt level lasers however, since most races capable of such weapon power levels have switched to phasers or disruptors.
TIE Fighters use 32 Terawatt, aka 32,000 Gigawatt energy weapons, at that magnitude it wouldn't matter if they were lasers or not (and as rebuiltHK47 pointed out, they aren't), they would still punch clear through and out the other side.
Agreement: Indeed. Though they shouldn't have destroyed any of those SDs. Anyone in their right mind would know that Star Trek Phasers are nothing compared to SD shields. And 1 SD could destroy DS9 in 5 swift strokes.
@rebuiltHK47 N.B. Star Destroyers are armed with turboLASERS. Federation deflector shields are completely immune to LASERS. A SD couldn NOT even damage DS9.
Correction: In Trek they use phasers not lasers, difference. The lasers that come from a SD are not just energy. They are super heated plasma energy blasts. The shields on DS9 are nothing compared to that of an Acclimator class SD. The Borg's shields on one cube are stronger than that of DS9 and can be taken out. 1 SD can bombard a planet to a lifeless pulp in less than a few hours.
Observation: You must be a Trekkie to make such a bogus claim.
But what about 5000 photon torpedoes ready for launch?
Idazmi7 1 month ago
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sadalite 3 months ago
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MusicVidio1000 4 months ago
if I wanted to watch a space invades game I would play it
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sorlag7 6 months ago
This can't be the end?
hulkmeister23 6 months ago
@5:12 Since when did Deep Space Nine shoot silly string at attacking ships!?
gerubach 6 months ago
Man, Vader must be pretty pissed to take down Sisko like that.
I guess. he took that fight with Picard/Kirk pretty hard.
MrImastinker 6 months ago 2
The imperial star destroyer would destroy that space station before it could fire on the SSD and the other imperial star destroyers.
darthrevan179 6 months ago
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buffyslayer30 6 months ago
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137kratos 7 months ago
mess with the Dark Side get a lightsaber up ur ass.
UhklySwag 7 months ago
Don't fuck with teh death star boy
UhklySwag 7 months ago
This is awesome Deep Space Nine vs The Galatic Empire
JMWmemphis 7 months ago
he sounded drunk when he said 'Federation'
BMWM3GTRLOVER 8 months ago
Waste of Photons. Take out the Executor. Problem solved.
lewanuva567 8 months ago
arent the star wars ships supposed to be unable to penetrate ds9 shields? hell they're just lazers o.o
ZekePrower 9 months ago
@ZekePrower actually they aren't they may call them lasers but they are not l.a.s.e.r.s also keep in mind lasers of sufficient firepower can damage or destroy federation vessels and ships, it's just that most races capable of that kind of firepower switched to other types of energy weapons. Star Wars is no different, they just continue to call their weapons lasers.
However, a large number of low yield l.a.s.e.r. armed vessels CAN pose a threat to the Enterprise D (TNG: Loud as a whisper)
Perion 8 months ago
@Perion: I'm tight with Mike, but don't take his every conclusion as gospel. He says, "Why would it endanger [the E-D] to fly into a war zone contested with laser weaponry?"
Simply because Worf detected "very intense" "laser activity" doesn't preclude the possibility of other weapons. It IS a WARZONE, after all. Moreover, they intend to BEAM DOWN a mediator to a planet in this warzone. Remember what happens to shields when you transport somebody off a ship? :D
senatus 5 months ago
@senatus Remember it's not the main shields that are allegedly immune to laser weaponry by some people, it's the navigational shields, which do not have to be altered much less deactivated when beaming.
Perion 5 months ago
Heh, true, but it's nonsensical. Why would something that stops micrometeorites stop a laser? They don't stop a star's light from reaching the ship. Moreover, the nav deflectors extend hundreds of meters or more ahead of a ship, but lasers fired on the E-D (like the Lysian drones used in "Conundrum", IIRC) strike the standard shield bubble. Weird.
Doesn't really matter. I think the "no laser!" argument is stupid, especially given turbolasers aren't lasers :)
I'm just channeling D13 :D
senatus 5 months ago
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Perion 5 months ago
@senatus heheh yeah. It's quite silly.
Perion 5 months ago
@senatus Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
Poor DS9, always the step child
AaliyahFan1000 9 months ago
this is better than the first one but i think the death star would show up rigth away and blow up the ship
simbanoel1 10 months ago
all time vader speak hooh hooh hooh
kristiankultakristi 10 months ago
Not bad...
SorenityVids 10 months ago
Daryh Vader was hyperventilating when talking to the emperor o.0
pyr0static 10 months ago
DS9 deserved to get wrecked anyways, TNG pwns it :p
Alayni01 11 months ago
Laser cannons don't penetrate Federation shields. Picard thought it interesting that the old regulations called for yellow alert when there wasn't even a threat.
Austindude3954 1 year ago
@Austindude3954 and 3 problems with this line of thought, 1 Star Wars don`t use Lasers, only weapons they call Lasers but share none of the characteristics thereof.
2. Even if they were lasers, the Lasers the federation have encountered are on the kilowatt to megawatt range, races capable of greater power have switched to other weapons, the Empire is no different, they just kept the old name.
3. In the very next episode, picard refuses to endanger his ship by entering a laser filled warzone
Perion 1 year ago
That was cool
Cablo102 1 year ago
@mgasplin As I understand it there is no real explanation on what blasters, lasers and turbolasers are. They are not plasma as they ignore gravity, and they are not lasers either since they're visible in vaccum, interact with other turbolaser bolts etc.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
@mgasplin They don't appear to shoot the gas though since gas has mass, and blaster/laser/turbolaser bolts don't have mass since they ignore gravity.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
About time Star Wars wins in one of these videos.And fir all you Trekkies, Abrams is major Fanboy !!!
supremeobliterator 1 year ago
@supremeobliterator Blah on you.
Austindude3954 1 year ago
@supremeobliterator You make it sound as if a whole fleet of Galaxy class ships and a Sovereign couldn't destroy one station.
Austindude3954 1 year ago
@Austindude3954 if it`s an Imperial station, then no, they couldn`t.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Why is that?
Austindude3954 1 year ago
@Austindude3954 obvious reasons really, An Imperial station of any given size invariably has stronger shields and weapons than an Imperial ship of equal size due to the fact that it does not require to power things like engines or hyperdrive,
And considering an Imperial ship the size of a Galaxy class has over 10,000x the firepower, enough to outgun the alpha quadrant (and considerably more power for shields) an Imperial Station of equal size or larger is going to be even more powerful.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion uuh...Correct me if Im wrong, but dont Star Destroyers only have 6 laser turrets? -.-
Austindude3954 1 year ago
@Austindude3954 Acclamators alone have 12 quad barreled medium turrets and 24 dual barreled point defense guns
Venator class Star Destroyers have 8 Heavy guns along either side of the bridge tower, as well as 2 medium guns near the front and more than 50 point defense guns
Imperial class have 8 heavy guns on either side of the bridge tower, and almost 100 medium guns around the ship, including 3 tripple barreled axial guns, 6 quad barreled trench guns, and so on and so forth, + point defense
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion and Point defense, light guns are generally on the Megaton scale, while Medium guns are on the gigaton scale, and heavy guns are on the Teraton scale.
overall firepower of each ship under normal combat situations is roughly
Acclamator: 2.4 teratons per second
Venator: 275 teratons per second
Imperial: 800 teratons per second
Remember the Acclamator is primarily a Dropship, not a warship, so the Venator being over 100x more powerful makes sense.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion ok i thought i was a nerd but DAYUM you guys lol
Alayni01 11 months ago
@Perion: At 800 TT/sec., that means an ISD could vaporize 5 klick Nickel/Iron asteroids literally at a rate of 800 PER SECOND. (Check Michael's asteroid destruction calculator.)
Granted, that's centrally-buried nukes vs. directed energy weapons; in reality, a teraton turbolaser would probably be limited to vaping a rock many times smaller -- maybe a klick.
Does that make any sense to you? 800 one km wide asteroids vaporized per second? The broadsides we see onscreen are nowhere near that.
senatus 5 months ago
@senatus We don't see any broadsides against asteroids in any of the films, and that's average per second for the entire weapons systems at full power. We do see light, point defense guns being used to pick off asteroids in ESB, which are 7 megatons per shot. But the heavies and full powered broadsides are never seen used until the battle of endor, where we see the heavy guns being used by an ISD in the background, the bolts from those are absolutely enormous.
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion: I'm well aware of what we see the light TLs do. I'm credited on Turbolaser Commentaries.
We do see a broadside in "Sith." Maybe the Venstar had reason to hold back, but the Invis. Hand didn't. The supposed teraton per shot cannons resulted in perhaps 40m-wide gouts of flame time and again.
One also wonders why, if it takes hundreds of teratons/sec. (if not more) to drop a capship's shields, why did that Neb-B and the Executor even bother to exchange light TL fire?
senatus 5 months ago
@ myself: My point is many-fold but, for starters, I think it's a little silly to apply max spec to typical combat situations. For example, even though I have doubts about an ISD firing 800 million MT/ second -- seemingly excessive, given that a typical BDZ supposedly lasts hours, to say nothing of the fact that Slave Ship says the heavies had recoil bracings rated for the GT range -- can it do that in space battle? How long can it sustain such a bombardment? How much fuel is consumed? Etc.
senatus 5 months ago
@senatus We know that Hypermatter is stored rather unusually (super dense/tachyonic and some sources even say extra-dimensionally, so it's impossible to know how long they can do so.) and on the BDZ section It said under an hour didn't it?
Perion 5 months ago
@senatus also admittedly when I said normal combat situations I was referring to without drawing power from other systems, I mean it seems to me like it would be logical for them to run the reactor at full tilt when it's do or die like that. But again given the unknown duration such a bombardment can be sustained at, it's tough to say.
Perion 5 months ago
@senatus As for the recoil bracings, we know that the Venator can draw all of it's reactor power into the guns, which no doubt includes when the reactor is being run at full capacity, and the energy figures for that are 3 times what I listed for straight firepower (assuming reactor power is normally divided up for weapons, engines and shields evenly).
Perion 5 months ago
@senatus The teraton per shot cannons were firing at durasteel plating, so I don't see how that's really a problem. The Neb B was just one of many, many ships attacking the executor, so what it brought to the table isn't really that important.
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion: Fine point :), but I still have problems with the small holes we see blown in the Venator attacking the Invisible Hand. I mean, the Death Star's surface was made of durasteel, and Luke's X-Wing could punch holes in it. Since an X-Wing's only good for perhaps a couple dozen kilotons/sec (if that), I think you see where I'm going. If kilotonnage can gouge holes in durasteel, it seems to me that billions of kilotons/shot should have a much greater effect than we usually see.
senatus 5 months ago
@senatus yeah but the X-Wing was blasting at the surface and tower guns, so it's kinda tricky to say, also it was made out of Quadanium. not Durasteel.
Perion 5 months ago
@Perion Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
@Perion: Those relative stats make sense. Hasn't it been said that Victory-class destroyers and Venators are an approximate match? Wasn't it also written that it'd take two or three Vicstars to take on an Imperator/Imperial?
senatus 5 months ago
Bro, you need to crossfade your audio track. These are great videos, but im just trying to help. Idk what program you use but if you have to option to crossfade, you will have a way better videos and more views. Crossfade is usually very easy to do and you probrally have it on your editor and it will make everything sound more smoothly. I know this sounds like a douchbag comment but just trying to help out.
bachherring 1 year ago
Watching these videos I understand how bad they translated the original SW trilogy in Italian and I'm not talking about the changes in some names (Han=Ian, Vader=Fener, Leia= Leila, Death Star=Black Death), but about real errors. This video, anyway, is amazing, but the single phaser shoot which annhilate an imperial destroyer is a bit too crazy. It's very funny when Sisko says O'Brien to take DS9 shields back, but then the station explodes. Where is part 3?
ilania95 1 year ago
@ilania95 Hmm dont know if anyone mentioned this. In Star Trek lasers cant even penetrate navigational shields. Lasers are the top wep of Star Wars. A shuttle packs more power than the death star.
DEbunkinator 1 year ago
@DEbunkinator It's a myth as laser weapons have damaged Star Trek vessels before(borg uses lasers as I understand it) . It's all about the yield of the laser that is used. A laser with enough firepower can damage a Federation starships just as good as any other weapon. And Star Wars don't use lasers but some form of exotic massless particle beam which just happens to be called "laser" in their galaxy.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
@onlypeaceindeath You are perfectly right. To the point, do you know who first used the word "laser" as a synom of "raygun" in a sci-fi work? I hope he/she knows how many misunderstandings have come from that terrible lexical choice.
ilania95 1 year ago
@ilania95 The words "raygun", "laser", "heat-ray" and "death-ray" must be as old as science fiction itself. The funny thing is that they are often the same kind of weapon.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
The Star Destroyes would not be so easily destroyed as depicited in these to cheesy (but cool ) films.
Jayrbf13 1 year ago
So far the special charactor casualty list is GE - Admiral Piet, Fed - the entire crew of DS9. . . . . ROFL
aerohurtz 1 year ago
2:00 His boy Elroy
aerohurtz 1 year ago
Did Vader start panicing when he was told that the Emperor wanted to talk to him, cuase he sounded like he was having an asthma attack
Barneystudioz 1 year ago
@Barneystudioz yer lol prob
johney6232 1 year ago
suck on that star trek
leviethen 1 year ago
lol at 3:46
malfoy2 1 year ago
and in the next thing frederation hq better send out ther dam fleets =P
jannikmt 1 year ago
Won't matter, a single star destroyer outguns the entire alpha quadrant. They could send the entirety of Starfleet to fight a single Star Destroyer and the Star Destroyer would win without so much as a shield fluctuation.
Perion 1 year ago
This is what happens when picard and krik take a day off.
asuch874 1 year ago
Haha, got deep space nine superlasers like the Deathstar that he can destroy an major ship?
HafdirTasare 1 year ago
lol at the cheasy animation
randotenshin 1 year ago
all they have to do is tell the borg wher the emporer is and whell that's the end of the empier as we know it but he'll come bac saying "we are the borg resistance is futile"
jannikmt 1 year ago
And the Emperor would say "we are the empire, assimilation is futile", followed by the Star Destroyers shredding the Borg fleet since the Borg cannot adapt to imperial weapon systems..
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion the borg can adapt all wepons and borg lazers litraly disintigrate a super strong mteal alloy in tng it won't do the same in starwars? lol
jannikmt 1 year ago
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion: Hey dude :)
The only thing I want to note is a minor nitpick. Yeah, that one Borg ship was destroyed by a solar flare. But if you do a search on that at SD.net, seanrobertson had some interesting conclusions about why flares are so lethal. IIRC, in brief, it was the intensity of the magnetic field, not the plasma, that was so deadly. I could dig into that more and send you a message if you like, but I have to surrender the PC to my ingrate siblings now :D
senatus 5 months ago
@senatus fascinating, that would be an interesting read.
Perion 5 months ago
Imperial ships are made out of Neutronium, which 7 of 9 herself stated was beyond the Borg's ability to fight against or Assimilate, and it is impervious to any weapon we have seen in Star Trek.
Perion 1 year ago
Why Sisko didn't leave DS9 to Kira and attacked teh Imperial fleet with the Defiant and a squad of runabout? They could bomb the shield generators and make the destroyers weaker!
ilania95 1 year ago
Those globes aren't shield generators, It's a common misconception since the Executor lost bridge shields (due to ackbar's the other big rebel ships pounding the hell out of it) and had a few A-wings take out a Sensor globe almost simultaneously, even some of the games get it wrong.
But yeah it wouldn't work, the Defiant would meet a similar fate to the Valiant during a similar mission.
Perion 1 year ago
hahahaha this video is so funny!
huytonwhoopwhoop 1 year ago
I do not care witch ship is destroyed as long it isn't the uss enterprise ncc 1701-a
Startrek12345678910 1 year ago
sure why not, TOS and TMP era federation is fine anyhow, it's the TNG/Voyager era Federation that has to go, especially the 29th century one.
Perion 1 year ago
Darth Vaders good.
XDNightmare 1 year ago
The only good thing about Star trek are chicks in tight clothing, Tpol and Seven of Nine.
PanterausfG 1 year ago
LAME!!!
hotqueen97 1 year ago
I think that we are forgetting 1 thing, where as SW has power ST has numbers, and in any situation like this even the Borgs would pitch in to ensure their survival. my point is that numbers can defeat strength with the right stragity so if say a small portion of the ST ships w8 in ambush while the main force engages head on SW would be decimated. although with SW "Fortress planet" ST couldn't dream of eradicating SW any time soon. and that friends is my argument.
71tofu 1 year ago
@71tofu That could only work if SW power was not as great as it is. I mean, a single Star Destroyer is said to be able to turn an Earth-sized planet into a ball of molten rock before anyone is capable of escaping. Even fighters are capable of vaporizing asteroids that are 5-10 meters in diameter. A small flotilla of Star Destroyers could pretty much hold the line by themself against all the Star Trek navies combined without much of a problem.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
@onlypeaceindeath but we must rember my tactic. also SW ships are unable to trn a full 180 degres, we must also not forget the teleporters with ST they can port the engins or the ships power source outside of the ship. all im saying is each side has its advanteg and both war would last for such a long time that ST would soon become as high tec as SW let s not forget that. also photon torpedos have a single advanteg, they are small and portable. any ships carry them even shuttles.this is my reply
71tofu 1 year ago
@71tofu Transporters would be totally useless once the star destroyers are starting to spew out ECM, and they would not need to turn that much eithe due to the numerous weapons emplacements that cover most of the hull. Also fighters combined with massive jamming would make it more or less impossible for Star Trek ships to target them because of their limited experience and equipment against heavy ECM.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago 2
@onlypeaceindeath and to clarify the "cant turn 180 degrees" they cant do it fast enough to avoid getting hit with about 100 photon torpedoes. im sorry to say both side are evenly matched. especially consider that this would be the spices different spec. 1. Borgs: ship production, some infantry but mainly ships. 2. Kleon: infantry due to their great strength. 3. federation: firearms, some ships. troops for a short period of time though firearms would be the main production.
71tofu 1 year ago
@71tofu As i said, heavy jamming will make it hell for Star Trek to hit anything. And a 100 photon torpedoes would not even be a threat for a Star Destroyer. Just because Star Trek ships are so fragile doesn't mean that Star Wars has to be. Remember that Star Destroyers could stay for a extended period of time inside a very large and violent asteroid field without any larger losses. Photon torpedoes would not even tickle their shields (not even their hulls).
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago 2
@onlypeaceindeath to get indepth of the federation 1. Humans: firearms, some troops. 2. Vulcan: assassins due to their multiple moves that can disable the enemy and reg troops due to their great agility. as you can see the federation has a much wider range of troops available iv no doubt that if a team of some elite Vulcan assassins can take out a large portion of the troops on Bord of the SW ship and take out main technicians and all of the pilots. that is the end of my reply.
71tofu 1 year ago
@71tofu Star Wars. Tanks, walkers, repulsor lift vehicles, heavy artillery, scout vehicles, machine guns, heavy machine guns, mortars, sub machine guns, power armors, flame throwers etc. Star Trek has nothing on the ground. With a small army of 10.000 stormtroopers a boarding action against a Star Destroyer would be suicide, considering also that Star Trek lacks any heavy weapons support as far as i know it.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago 2
@onlypeaceindeath ST has Thalaron radiation, and i strongly advise you look p the wikapeida star trek wepons list!
71tofu 1 year ago
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onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
The only Thalaron weapons ever seen were on the Scimitar and Shinzon's faction, both of which were destroyed, not only that but the Scimitar's Thalaron weapon required a great deal of time to charge up, meanwhile the scimitar was helpless,.
it would eat a Turbolaser and be reduced to stray atoms before it finished spreading it's wings.
not only that, but the Thaleron weapon's affects on a Star Destroyer are completely unknown, for all you know it could be totally useless.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion but have we completely forgotten when i said LOOK AT THE ST WEAPONS LIST PLZ! i meen ill even poast a link! (h t t p : / / e n . w i k i p e d i a . o r g / w i k i / L i s t _ o f _ w e a p o n s _ i n _ S t a r _ T r e k) srry about the spaces
71tofu 1 year ago
@Perion Also leme list the catagories of stuff they got, Disruptors, Varon-T disruptors, Lasers though considered out of date they still exist because of smugglers, Pulse cannons, Phase cannons, Phase pistols, Phased polaron cannon, of course Phasers, Thalaron radiation, it still exists, at least if there are not already some made and ready for use then the plans exists, Metreon cascade, Trilithium resin, Cobalt diselenide(not much use but still exists, KaBar combat knife, Katana, Jem'Hadar,
71tofu 1 year ago
You realize none of that really makes any difference and you are just spouting mindless trivia.
"Thalaron radiation, it still exists, at least if there are not already some made and ready for use then the plans exists"
As evidenced by you saying so, not that it matters.
Star Wars Lasers are completely different from Star Trek Lasers.
Jem'Hadar are nothing compared to the Stormtroopers,
Katanas, Combat knives? try Vibroblades which would shatter those and lest we forget the Lightsaber.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion Stormtroopers would be Jem'Hadar lunch meat, if Jem'Hadar had to eat at all. These born warriors are much stronger and faster than any human, never sleep, live every moment of their lives for victory in combat, and *can become invisible at will without the aid of technology*. They can also shoot straight, a decisive advantage against pathetically incompetent Stormtroopers. Lasers are lasers. Vibroblades sound like some kind of kinky sex toy.
Fightosaurus 1 year ago
"they can also shoot straight, a decisive advantage against pathetically incompetent Stormtroopers."
Stormtroopers can shoot straight, they were missing on purpose during the Death Star and cloud city escapes
And no they aren't lasers, any idiot with eyes can tell that.
They can become invisible but that's easy to see through with the stormtrooper's helmet equipment.
It would take only 10 stormtroopers to succeed at Taking AR-558 where 160 jemmies failed.
Perion 1 year ago
@71tofu Don't forget red matter, genesis devices, nanoprobes, biotechnology, matter transporters and replicators, and Guinan. You don't F with Guinan, even if you're Darth Vader.
Fightosaurus 1 year ago
Red matter is useless as a weapon, and only exists in the Abramsverse.
Genesis Device (singular) is also useless as it would have no effect on planetary or even ship shields, not to mention all the scientists who made it are dead and all the files save for the introduction/proposal were destroyed.
Nanoprobes < Bacta
Imperial have better Biotechnology,
Transporters are useless against shields, Neutronium and ECM
Imperials have better Replicators that can make Neutronium and eat planets
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion A pea-sized quantity of red matter can create black holes, or destroy an entire planet. Genesis Devices can remake the surface of a planet in minutes, even bring the long dead back to life. Nanoprobes are atomic-scale programmable machines that can do almost anything. Transporters aren't useless against shields if the shield frequency is known. If the Empire had replicators that could eat planets, spending so much effort building Death Stars shows how strategically boneheaded they are.
Fightosaurus 1 year ago
"Nanoprobes are atomic-scale programmable machines that can do almost anything." No they aren't they are cellular scale and Bacta is better.
The World Devastators were made after the Death Stars, so no they weren't bone headed they just hadn't made them yet, World Devastators also take a helluva lot longer to destroy a planet.
Red Matter needs to be drilled into the core which takes time, Interdictor fields can disperse quantum singularities like the kind red matter produces.
Perion 1 year ago
The Genesis device has no affect on shields, entire planets are shielded in star wars.
Transporters cannot beam through Star Wars shields because they are incoherent wave forms IE they have no frequency to match, not to mention the fact that they still cannot beam through the neutronium hulls or get through even low level EM Interference let alone the spacial distortions caused by Imperial ECM.
No matter how many times you use a simple minded excuse, they are not lasers as we or trek know them
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion If SW shields are so different, how do we know Federation transporters can't beam through them, or that they don't have some other weakness that a top Starfleet Engineer could use? And yes, the word laser carries a very specific meaning, so I believe that when SW says something is a laser, it is a laser.
If bacta is so great, why does Vader require a life support suit after his accident, and why the robo-hand for Luke? Medicine in SW is depicted as less advanced, bacta or no bacta.
Fightosaurus 1 year ago
I don't recall nanoprobes ever restoring anyone's limbs, and Borg surgically add the majority of the implants, the nanoprobes are just the start.
Actually medicine in SW is depicted as far more advanced, Luke's Robo hand is a perfect example as it was far superior to nog's artifical leg, artifical limbs are part of standard medical supplies, Nog was taken out of the entire fight because of it and spent months in rehabilitation.
in SW they would go to a mash unit, get a robo-limb and sent back.
Perion 1 year ago
Vader's artificial spine is further proof of Imperial medical superiority over the Federation, As they cannot replace a severed spinal cord, Worf had to rely on his own klingon healing which Dr Crusher could not assist with beyond a new spine, but the damage to the nervous system itself was something Worf had to deal with.
SW Medical tech can heal people from even the most Grievous of Injuries.
SW shields block transporters for the same reason other shields and interference do, it's a barrier.
Perion 1 year ago
ST shields are known for having bizarre radiation bypass their shields, SW shields do not, Transporter beams are just that, beams IE energy waves, they can no more arbitrarily bypass shields than anything else.
So when Zephram cochrane referes to a phaser as a Laser you believe him?
Or when they call a phaser rifle a rifle it must have rifling even though it doesn't?
The term Laser in trek may have a specific meaning, but in Star Wars and to most people it's interchangeable with ray gun.
Perion 1 year ago
Also visuals trump dialogue, if the dialogue says Laser and the Visuals show something that shares little to no resemblance to a L.a.s.e.r. than guess what? it's not a L.a.s.e.r.
There's a difference in fact between the word Laser and L.a.s.e.r. the latter is specific while the former doesn't have to be.
Also Percussion Pistol, doesn't shoot percussion caps at people, it uses them to ignite the gunpowder
The only capacity in which SW Lasers use L.a.s.e.r. in any way is to ignite Tibanna gas.
Perion 1 year ago
The EU supports the use of the word Laser as slang, a fact that the films never contradict, and is thus canon, the EU also supports them being a form of Tibanna Plasma weapon / Particle beam, which the Visuals in the films also supports, Tibanna gas being a major export as a component in SW weapons (cloud city) and Liquid Tibanna being a very powerful explosive capable of blasting apart Neutronium (The Clone Wars: Rookies) also proves that the weapons in Star Wars are NOT L.a.s.e.r.
Perion 1 year ago
When confronted with such a massive wealth of evidence it becomes clear that your interpretation of what they mean by "Laser" is wrong, and your entire argument of Federation vessels being immune to lasers is unrealistic and based on taking one line of dialogue to insane proportions via a No limits fallacy.
Especially when every laser shown in trek is in the low megawatt range tops, vast majority of races capable of higher powered weapons have switched to another type, SW is no different.
Perion 1 year ago
He'res a canon example of a Technology the Federation thought was outdated and a race that still uses it getting better performance than what the Feds currently use.
Impulse engines are generally thought of as superior to Ion engines in Star Trek but there was at least one instance where they encountered a ship with Ion Engines that boasted superior performance to their Impulse Engines, Impulse is better than modern Ion engines, but not Star Wars Ion Engines which are radically different.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion star wars ion don't work becuse ther not shoting out ions in the back...
jannikmt 1 year ago
uh, have you ever seen what an Ion engine looks like while active? even modern ones make a clear blue glow out the back of them, what do Star Destroyer Engines look like from the back?
That's right, they glow blue.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion so they should be SUPER slow he ion engins we use atm are very slow and most of the object is he ion engen but the star destroyer is not even half engen so they would go at a speed of lol
jannikmt 1 year ago
Actually the bulk of a Star Destroyer's mass is in it's aft section, open your eyes and notice how it tapers towards the front into that dagger shape.
The Ion Engines we use are nothing like the Ion engines the Empire have, and the Federation have encountered Races that use Ion Engines with superior performance to their Impulse drives before.
performance and function is what matters, not what they call their technology which is completely irrelevant.
Perion 1 year ago
Good grief, here goes the fanboy yaps again.
The problem with determining whether or not one would win against the other is that Star Wars technology is so ill-defined. Star Wars strength is in its mythos and its universe and characters.
While Star Wars is about exploring inward, Trek is about exploring outward. Apples and oranges, really.
But considering that Trek ships' shields are likely far superior to anything in Wars, I'd have to put money on Trek. The technology is simply more clear.
Zucca101 1 year ago
@Zucca101 If you where to take a ship such as the Ravager from Kotor 2 i'd be putting my bets on Star Wars
gogman25 1 year ago
lol, wow, hypocrite much?
first you go on and try to say they are incomparable, then you turn around and make baseless and patiently false claims.
Shields in Star Wars have been able to withstand punishment far greater than anything in Trek, 8 photon torpedoes took out the Enterprise A's shields in "Undiscovered country" and these were lower yield, 23rd century ones, in the 24th century shield technology has not apparently grown as much as photon torpedo tech, since fewer photons are needed.
Perion 1 year ago
Also, by TNG, photon torpedo yields are anywhere from 500 kilotons to 24 megatons equivalent, which compared to the fighter launched missiles of Star Wars is pathetic, since it's standard for concussion missiles to have a 191 megaton yield, which means one Concussion missile would very likely destroy the Enterprise A, since it's worth anywhere from 8 to 382 TNG era photon torpedoes, depending on if you go with the higher end Tech manual yield or the MUCH lower on screen observed yield.
Perion 1 year ago
DAMMIT!!!!! There needs to be some sort of crossover between these two series. Hell Make it an Alternate/Quantum Reality. Something. Make Q do it.
Kingrex16 1 year ago
star wars win
marcin1821 1 year ago
dax save US!
THEEND123321 1 year ago
love this flims
buffyslayer30 1 year ago
lol 5:08 would NEVER happen
Heelboy50 1 year ago
and a s well for a real anylysis of sci fi tech between these two go to kitsune conversions. the st vs sw site not mr wongs. and a other few choice site that are nuetral.
TheSundown2010 1 year ago
@TheSundown2010 ah... you must mean other sites that are just ST fanboys imaging up scenarios where they could actually win by ignoring all evidence of how powerful Star Wars is. Face it... ST would be doomed.
ncruhk 1 year ago
@ncruhk ohh no you dont. not so at all. so where are you perion. no replies to my posts as of late.
TheSundown2010 1 year ago
Very funny stuff. 5/5
badcat1226 1 year ago
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"We have a new enemy...the Federation. They can destroy us."
I LOLed at the "Federation destroying" bit.
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
same.....
Deviss17 1 year ago
Great job! ;)
eGuber 1 year ago
I can't wait for part 3. Great work my friend.
BADBOYCH 1 year ago
It looks bad but it is actually pretty good. Most of you couldn't do a better job than he did with this.
kingpumkinjack 2 years ago
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decent audio job but worst video effects i've ever seen in my life. you probably already know that though.
marsh8472 2 years ago
what a sad pile of ****
Silmacar 2 years ago
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TheSundown2010 1 year ago
What program did you use to create this vid?
Ardennerres 2 years ago 2
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Wow ... wqhere do you people get this stuff?? roflol .....clueless completely clueless ... all of you. How about actually researching the energy outputs from an official Lucasfilm LTD approved Tech Manual ... lord have mercy people your numbers are completely off the charts lol ... a Tie Fighter producing 32 terrawatts of energy just for its laser based weapon ... lol
muerkier 2 years ago
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um, that's where the 32 terawatt figure came from...
Star Wars Complete Cross sections, an official Lucasfilm LTD approved tech manual, clearly states on page 52 that Slave 1 has 8 terajoules per shot for it's main "lasers" Slave 1 had an on screen firing rate of 480 rpm for 64 terawatts,
on page 61 it states Geonosian fighters have 10 terajoules per shot from their laser. and finally page 50 says that the Jedi starfighter has 1 kiloton (4 terajoules) per shot from each of it's twin cannons.
Perion 2 years ago
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as a result, 4 to 8 terajoules per shot for a TIE fighter doesn't stretch credibility since it was designed to replace the Jedi Interceptor, which had largely replaced the Jedi Starfighter, as well as replacing the V-wing, which had more firepower than the Jedi Interceptor. as well as being 20 years after Slave 1, which eventually replaced the two 8 terajoule lasers in favour of Ion cannons.
Perion 2 years ago
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TIE fighters also have an on screen firing rate approximately half of that of Slave 1, but they fire both guns simultaneously rather than alternatively, so it could very well be 64, but 32 is often used to be conservative.
the visual dictionary shows that "Lasers" in star wars have more in common with plasma weapons, the term Laser is a carryover from bygone times.
I suggest you do the research first before accusing someone of not doing so, you would have avoided looking like a hypocrite then.
Perion 2 years ago
First one was much better. Soundtrack is very choppy on this one, and effects seemed forced.
jamiegottagunATyahoo 2 years ago
wow that was horrible
ajac09 2 years ago 2
who the hell is the nerd below me??
slightlyinsane25 2 years ago
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someone who knows more about Star Wars than Camaro and his "no lasers" fallacy.
Perion 2 years ago
@Perion no lasers non cannon .
TheSundown2010 1 year ago
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funniest part is that not only is everything rebuiltHK47 true, but in a later episode we saw Lasers shaking the ship around and even carving up holes in the Enterprise's hull, Picard was clearly talking about that particular ship, and most lasers in Trek don't exceed the low megawatt range.
Phasers go into higher megawatt range, while weapons in the mid Gigawatt range are a considerable threat, capable of taking out galaxy class shields in one shot, regardless of them being lasers or not.
Perion 2 years ago
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The federation has never encountered a race that uses mid gigawatt level lasers however, since most races capable of such weapon power levels have switched to phasers or disruptors.
TIE Fighters use 32 Terawatt, aka 32,000 Gigawatt energy weapons, at that magnitude it wouldn't matter if they were lasers or not (and as rebuiltHK47 pointed out, they aren't), they would still punch clear through and out the other side.
Perion 2 years ago
you know that saying that lucasarts and paramount put this together can get you in big trouble without a disclaimer
slightlyinsane25 2 years ago
@slightlyinsane25 Yeah, excellent point - tip? Change them to something like Locustfilm and Pyromount if you'd rather not get rid of them
camaro2371 2 years ago
@camaro2371 haha nice
slightlyinsane25 2 years ago
long live the Empire
kiran4647 2 years ago 2
yeah woohoo
Masterjedirebel95 2 years ago 2
Entertaining
darkwhitedirewolf 2 years ago 2
Long live The Empire & the Emperor
Vercetti777 2 years ago 13
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NERDS!
lions4life1 2 years ago
never mess with vader! hahahaha
melvy117 2 years ago 6
aww man they destroyed deep space 9 man do onother 1 though
bworover 2 years ago
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that was kinda a dumb thing
ensignharrykim 2 years ago
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should have used star trek voyager thats the best and most modern one
Jinny083 2 years ago
Why is ever1 arguing on fake science fiction. Don't get it, this just for fun isn't it?
GeneralFunk001 2 years ago 6
I dont know why you guys are so up to discuss this so hard, but Im just happy those Trekkies got blowed up..! Star Wars ftw!!
Xanmites17 2 years ago 11
Agreement: Indeed. Though they shouldn't have destroyed any of those SDs. Anyone in their right mind would know that Star Trek Phasers are nothing compared to SD shields. And 1 SD could destroy DS9 in 5 swift strokes.
rebuiltHK47 2 years ago
@rebuiltHK47 N.B. Star Destroyers are armed with turboLASERS. Federation deflector shields are completely immune to LASERS. A SD couldn NOT even damage DS9.
camaro2371 2 years ago
Correction: In Trek they use phasers not lasers, difference. The lasers that come from a SD are not just energy. They are super heated plasma energy blasts. The shields on DS9 are nothing compared to that of an Acclimator class SD. The Borg's shields on one cube are stronger than that of DS9 and can be taken out. 1 SD can bombard a planet to a lifeless pulp in less than a few hours.
Observation: You must be a Trekkie to make such a bogus claim.
rebuiltHK47 2 years ago