Public Forum Debate Spoof

[Ecoarchitect100]

The video is decent, but PF is fun, not stupid.

[sasuke2277]

Who cares which you think is better? Were all biased either way.

[LancersRockTheHouse]

"It's not fair for me to speak Mexican. This is an English country; this is America. We should speak American." lol I love it! :D I've actually hit a few teams who debated like this... It was so hard not to laugh on their faces.

[wholegrainfirefly]

PF has changed a LOT since 2007!

[daniel59816]

And I mean it's sad, but this is how some kids actually try to do pf. But like any other debate,there are alot of good rounds with legit arguments alot

[daniel59816]

Meh I mean policy is chill if u like policy. I just don't line the concept of loosing on something dumb like topicality.

[TheNinjaFilipino]

Why is Public Forum considered a lower event? We have more research to do than LD, and the only difference between us and LD/CX is the less "jargon" which can be learned easily. I will admit CX is a higher event, but PF shouldn't be frowned upon.

[JaneDoe6362]

@TheNinjaFilipino yes it should. lmao.

[jNtYkOoK24]

This is awesome. Im laughing so hard!

Our LD coach had to judge PoFo rounds today and I felt so bad for her!

She was judging the lowest seeded PF teams.

How bad would that suck?

[kewlmelon]

@jNtYkOoK24 POH- FOE!!!!!!!!!!!

[bobthebuilder114]

Lmao if we go to their country we'll speak Mexican. You may need to get out more...

[saberallen5]

YEAA, UR SHIRT HAS KANSAS ON IT, UR AUTOMATICALLY COOL

[ObamaKennedy2060]

Im iitching to counter his arguments....with better ones actually

[daniel59816]

there is a reason policy is shrinking and pf is growing

spreading, critiques and counter plans vs. debate anyone can follow

[kewlmelon]

@daniel59816 Policy is just soo much better!!!!!!!!

[tizorc]

spreading is debate. you are just presenting debate in a very timely matter to address all points and provide evidence. if you can't keep up then get out of debate, because alot of ppl are going to be like that. If you can't understand then you are slow, because ppl in higher levels ALWAYS spread. stop whining and get used to it

[DebateBriefs]

Check out debate briefs online dot com for their PFD resources.

[SmartyPants0715]

we speak american? lmao!!!!

[ubermensch826]

why are people making comparisons across events? PF, LD, and CX were made for completely different reasons, they all have distinct goals. This is a comparison of apples and oranges..one event can't be "better" than the other.

[smilewitherain]

I love PFD. xD

[Demented2013]

POLICY FTW!!! Spreading is a form of debate, it's a vital component to a structured, high-volume debate. If you take a realistic look at the topic, spreading is needed just to fit the amount of evidence or arguments into an eight minute time period.

[rachelbuttons]

spreading completely ruins the purpose of debate. how are you supposed to intelligently debate a topic if you can't even understand a word your opponent is saying? spreading isnt debate. its just a contest to see who can speak faster.

[DrOman5596]

@rachelbuttons

"how are you supposed to intelligently debate a topic if you can't even understand a word your opponent is saying?"

Thats some pretty weak logic. Ever consider the possibility that policy debaters can understand and follow what their opponents are saying just because you can't?

[LindaleDebate]

YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!

cross examinatinis where its AT!

lol

[TheDasha92]

public forum is what policy was intended to be before they sped up and started to cram as much crap into 8 minutes as possible. for those of you saying pf doesnt use evidence, or care if they are making anything up you are crazy. public forum is research, public speaking and logic. its not all about debate jargon or rapid fire talking. its about being able to convince anyone on a certain topic weather a skilled judge or a parent. get your facts straight

[gmiscoolyo]

@TheDasha92 And policy and LD are made up of research, public speaking logic AND spread, jargon convincing lays and everything.

[TheDasha92]

@gmiscoolyo im not questioning the legitimacy of LD and Policy, i just disagree with this portrayal of public forum as a lesser form of debate. I put in as much work into what I do as my team members on the other squads, thus I tried making a point that even though we might not have jargon and speed talking we are still legitimate.

[joezflorez]

speak "American" and "Mexican"? ok

[magicinda505]

hahhahahha nerdsss.... learn to debate dudes...

[charcoalc5]

With PF you need rapid fire questions, confidence, evidence, and dominance. It takes skill to be really good, but anyone can do it.

[WhirlmPower]

People talking about other debates being more "intellectual" Need to kindly shut the fuck up. PF is a about having an ACTUAL debate, not about screaming words off of a card for ten minutes at a time. PF is closer to a real life argument then any of the other types. At least PF skills are somewhat applicable to real life unlike a policy and LD shit. Seriously, what's a policy debater going to do with their "skills"? Become an auctioneer?

[SAHoward93]

@WhirlmPower Lol, FURTHERMOWECALOOKTOGAYBUTTSECK­SASAREASONTONEGATEJOSDIXJLZNSM­DFNXCILWKAJSFDNVCMXAOSDWEI!!!!­... Ha, spreading sounds pretty down-to-Earth to me

[DuelinginRS]

@WhirlmPower It's cool that you are an idiot.

[ganixaba]

@WhirlmPower

At least people in LD and policy care about whether or not what you're saying is complete bullshit

[WhirlmPower]

@ganixaba All debate is complete bullshit, winning a round is just a question of who sells their shit better.

[whitestripes22]

anyone who has actually seen final rounds at national tournaments knows that public forumn is not a joke. the good teams on the circuit do an extensive amount of research and win because of it.

[IdiotKiller206]

I do Lincoln Douglas debate in competition and I enjoy it more than publicforum/policydebate. You get to combine the statistical knowledge you need to argue in PForP with philosophical knowledge. Plus, you dont talk like you're on speed.

I've placed in the top three of the last tournaments I competed in with the topic: ResolvedPublic Health Concerns justify compulsory immunization: getting ready for the new LD topic: Economic Sanctions Ought Not be used to achieve foreign policy objectives.

[BriCareful]

geez you would think that debaters would know that trying to debate which debate is better is like trying to debate which is better the number 2 or the number 7.

[wrldSPNS84]

@BriCareful you know nothing.

[thesupersurfer]

even numbers hold value...

[hollowtipp077]

hey is that boffyrox!

[thekidwithdog]

i wish i was in your district

PF is like mini CX in our district

this is a lot more like congress

[lolaluvscocacola]

holy i luv u guys i would wilingly marry one of u . sadly in some debates this actulally happens =D hahah lmao i wil make one of these and u guys haf 2 check it

[2boss5]

I just had my first debate tournament ever(PF) and i got SECOND PLACE! I know my partner and I are studs. We would would have won but we had policy judges in the finals and they were so RETARDED! They didn't even know the time limits. Anyway, it's a great way to start off our debate careers!

[thesupersurfer]

Ohh second place in novice league tournament in pofo, how sick are you?!? Those policy varsity were pissed they had to judge some illegit pofo round.

[2boss5]

Yea......we don't have novice and varsity in pofo genius. Btw policy is the least useful competiton that the nfl has. Way to try to feel better trying to diss someone on a month old post about debate.

[thesupersurfer]

fuck you, sorry I don't live in fucking Kansas, Pofos boring as shit, policy is easily the most useful form of debate. I hope you do well "debating" about myspace. ,

[remnent7]

@thesupersurfer How is policy exciting and Public Forum boring, pf has just as legitimate topics as policy, last three, Resolved: When in conflict, the United Nations should prioritize global poverty reduction over environmental protection. Resolved: Failed nations are a greater threat to the United States than stable nations. Resolved: That merit pay based on student achievement should be a significant component of K-12 teacher compensation in United States public schools.

[thesupersurfer]

public forum judges are communications paradigm, instead of which side produces arguments that are more true, the side that wins talks "prettier" it is not conducive to in-depth debate or true education

[remnent7]

well i hate to tell you but in politics and law... its not what base you have but how make your case sound... and really how many lawyers have you heard of that yell out evidence as fast as they can... and no its not about how pretty you make an argument but your persuasiveness on a political and moral/philosophical level... and why do policy debaters have to talk as fast as they can?

[remnent7]

uh well my region is... but i have been to debate tournaments at George Mason and James Madison... and really i still dont know why you have to spread if you make a sound argument...

[HybridHalfie]

@thesupersurfer

wait so if you dragged some random guy off the street to watch a policy debate and then a puff debate.

Which one will connect to him and which one will he understand better.

I rest my case. Puff is great because it makes debate understandable to the common man.

And Puff values getting a few high quality arguments to focus on while Policy values the quantity of arguments.

Policy is definitely more challenging but Puff manes more sense.

[thesupersurfer]

it is true that public forum is better for lay people (parents, grandparents, bus drivers) but policy and LD (on the national/state circuit) is better for the debaters themselves, doing massive amounts of research and case work teaches students how to research, while also educating them in the fields of the humanities, history, philosphy, and politics

[bigsword33]

@HybridHalfie i agree, other than the fact that higher end debates on both sides end up with great arguments on both types of debate, but policy just has many more. The final two speeches have extremely comprehensive speeches in good rounds, ones that can cover a whole pfd round in the 10 minutes they occur in. Quantity vs. Quality sorta dies when the quality is the same but the quantity is much greater.

[remnent7]

@thesupersurfer also policy is just talking as fast as you possibly can so your opponent can't hear what your saying, but its useless cause your could be reading a video games review and no one would know, and most judges i talk to hate policy.

[thesupersurfer]

thats cause your from a shitty league/ area with all lay judges, any good policy or LD judge understands spreading, any good policy or LD debater understands spreading, just because your ignorant doesn't mean everyone else is,

[mindofaqueen09]

i love how this is supposed to be a spoof and it's just like a real pf round lol

[ibecca35]

lmfao.

this is great. I'm signing up.

[Letmesingu2sleep]

this is hilarious and the second speaker is really cute ;) to bad there arnt hot guys in regular round no its probably better there arnt cuz id down the them

[spaceefficientbuddy]

but this was a very very very funny video XD kudos to all :)

[L3XXS4R]

leave it to the debaters to debate on a youtube vid ;) i'm a pfer myself and yes, this is quite funny

[cocoicecreamman2011]

HAH! this would turn out to be a fun contention actually:)

[laurielou93]

I'm a pf-er but that shit is funny

[mizundeadjoker]

i hate u all. pf kicks ass. :D

its an average person debate. for those who are not so philisophical or for those who want to actually have a debate based on actual arguments and not some dumb technicalities

[spaceefficientbuddy]

yeah. LD is so fricken stupid. it WILL NOT HELP YOU AT ALL IN THE LONG WRONG. like seriously. will arguing at 2130569872568923 mph about topics that have no significance to future life whatsover help you in the long run? NO.

I mean come on. compare these two topics:

Vigilantism is justified when the government has failed to enforce the law. (LD)

That, on balance, the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 has improved academic achievement in the United States.(PF)

[spaceefficientbuddy]

the research and work done in public forum is more helpful b/c it makes you more aware of facts about issues that this country is having. LDers do NOT DO ANY RESEARCH BUT LOOKING FOR PROFESSORS AND PHILOSOPHERS WHO HAVE STATEMENTS THAT BACK THEIR OPINIONS up. PF makes you smarter and more aware of news. and thus PF is a better and more fulfilling debate than LD.

[battledead1]

the deep analysis and quick thinking done within LD last a lifetime. Also, the skill to be able to speak for 7 or so minutes (not in LD) is important.

4 minutes is too easy to fill with speech time which means that you cant truly get into in-depth debate

being aware of news =/= smarter, it just means you are intelligible for a small amount of time, and all the current events you read about now will be obsolete in 20 years besides calling it "history"

imo policy is more interesting than both o.O

[thesupersurfer]

The average year at varsity LD in California is as much work as a master's thesis. Pofo is (mostly) for kids who aren't intelligent enough to do anything outside of league tournaments in idaho.

[thesupersurfer]

ya that is SO true Public Forum is "average person" debate. how can a debate be intellectually engaging when there are 60 second speeches? LD is complex ethical theory, shit that fucking dumbasses like you two will never understand, with a much higher degree of difficulty, while pofo is about who talks nicer

[thekidwithdog]

you sir really have no idea what LD is like do you

LD is not just finding people professors who back up their claims its about complex ethical theorys and logical debate

you obviously no little about logical debate seeing how you attack LD using a straw man argument(your comparison of topics)

[thekidwithdog]

by that logic we can look at a PF topic from earlier last year On balance Social Networking Sites help our society(or something to that effect) and the current LD topic should we have mandatory vaccinations and say that LD is the more useful debate

[remnent7]

@spaceefficientbuddy uh well i agree about pf... but policy is where the real incompetence lies. I have a friend in LD and he talks at normal a rate and got first at the last 2 tournaments

[alisonbethea]

Haha I've been in so many pf rounds like this. Unfortunately I've been like the first speaker during some of them...

The pen flipping was a nice touch

[BrownEyedBrahmin]

i'm pofo, still think this is hillarious. some pofo kids sucks ass

[FatAssFilmz]

The very fact that PFD was a by-product of the NFL whoring itself out makes it incapable of being a respectable form of debate.

[lackingapathy]

I completely agree. But Student Congress owns.

Nats 2009--look out Birmingham ^^

[geco0515]

The first speaker was so ignorant. I hate people like you.

[danecook217]

policy is a lot harder in every way. i have done well in both and its really easy to do pf because you talk slow and dont really need warrants. policy takes a lot more skill AND work to do well. it goes policy, ld, then pf

[Elijah4President]

P O L ii C Y

[NDNGIRL12345]

I love how you keep saying that we speak american and mexican...and correction- policy is where its at. GREAT VIDEO!!!! and btw- we brought mexicans in to help us in an earlier war, it's our fault. We cant just deport every hispanic or latino person to guatemala.

[Al572]

good vid. im in debate and found this to be pretty funny.

[StandardChante]

If you're going to attempt to make fun of something, at least do it in the correct way. PFD is amazing.

[xoxoelishaoxox]

this isn't even PFD, PFD is wayyyyyyy better than you two, and PFD is two speakers against two speakers.

GO PFD!!!

[becauseofmusic]

what the fuck? public forum is amazing. but LD is much better. :)

[BONFIRE1237]

no its not, pfd owns ld

[pinkskiergrl]

Policy all the way!

[burgerlicious44]

This parody proves what anyone who debates already knows, that public forum is for people too retarded to do cross-x

[bobbarkerfan1ped]

haha, i just had my first debate yesterday, and i sounds just like the first speaker.

[0thatme]

Hilarious video, stop freaking out about it being a personal attack on PFD.

[bevolover94]

LD debate is where the shit is at!

[yourmotherisinmybed]

PFD RULES

[squirrel588]

go back to your trombones and ur tubas, band geeks. leave the debating to the real debators

PFD ROCKS!

[baseballer305]

extempt is better then pfd

[thehobbitsam]

bullshit PFD is amazing

[touquoise]

i just state public forum today!

[baseketball91]

you two are a real pair of wacky characters. god damnit i you two faggots, and your horrible brand of low-highbrow comedy. may god have mercy on your souls.

[jazzcrazi99]

the time is 4>4>3>4>4>3>2>2>3>1>1

[TheDasha92]

wow.

stick to your tubs. plz

and leave PF to the people that can actually do it.

[bxsciencepofo]

@TheDasha92 BXSCIENCE POFO REPRE-FUCKIN-SENT (the kolman <3)

[zmezman]

hahahahahahaha

Public Forum is so stupid.  The final focus speech is 1 minute long!!! Wtf??

[BrownEyedBrahmin]

that's what is so hard- try fitting all you're most important contentions in 60 seconds  without spreading

[tedfreeway]

Wow that is a big TV for a school.

[oNealProductions]

this is awesome... lol

[belathequeen]

lol, not fair for me to speak "mexican."

haha :D

[rlabounty2011]

The Second Speaker sounds a lot like an LD'er.

Very impressive, second speaker.

By the way, public forum IS the easiest type of debate. Watch an LD or a Policy Round, then you won't be so quick to make fun of it

[gordystruck]

The Purpose of Public Forum is to be able to have a debate in front of a judge who knows nothing about the technical parts of debate. This is pretty funny.

[iamthemewow]

...in this way it's sort of like the Presidential debates.

[Archemo]

My boyfriend went into PF with several hours of research. He could have won easily, if he didn't run into someone like the guy wearing the Kansas shirt. I'm pretty sure that this video is making fun of that specific type of situation- where it's the People who are smart vs. the People who think they're smart.

[thegnastygnome]

If this is PF, why are there only two debaters?

[bemoreunique]

PF is definitely the easiest of all the debate events - well, if you don't count Student Congress (now THAT is seriously for pansy BSers who win based solely on speaking skills). And although the format of PF is more approachable and relatable to real life "debates," it's too messy for my liking. But maybe that's just because I do LD.

[Comradjon1]

what the fuck is this?

[freakinasians]

OMG! how old are you like 50?

[AwkwardBiscuit]

Hahaha

Yeah I like LD myself.

[beatlesfan12345]

ok. i vote policy! yay policy! lol i just got back from a tournament, actually. it SUCKED cuz i ended up being a novice going mavric in varsity.

[PeanutbutterCrazy]

oh wow...this is way too relistic for being a spoof! This sounds like my district's novice debaters. WOW De Ja Vu! (sp?)

trenched in the blood of colonialism..that's awesome. I'll have to remember that when we're messing around during class.

WOW! THis is way scarey..flashbacks to my last compition! SCAREY! Gay marriage, bad move...lol. Mexican? American? lol. This is way tooreal for me.

[cangor]

Hey, thanks for making this, I'm doing my first PFD debate round ever this weekend, and this will help me immensely. ^_^

[TakingBackTeatime45]

lol we speak American here

[joshtheguitarfreak]

policy rules. Puff is for losers. if you think policy is lazy and sucks your watching a crappy novice round

[yhighpolicy]

Policy = Lazy? uhhhhmmm what the hell?

[PeanutbutterCrazy]

I'm in agreeance! I'm PF and well, Policy people scare me. They work too hard...lol. ALthough I guess I was the one researching more on the night of the last football game of my school's season to m ake sure I was better prepared for the next days tournament.

[tragedyxinxsharpie]

We work too hard? Hardly. If your school is considerate enough to buy evidence from camps, as mine did, the only work we do outside of tournaments is sort evidence (which can be done in 2 or 3 practices) and practice rounds, to improve flowing and public speech.

it's not a lot of work.

my only issue with policy (because I debate policy) is reading evidence. You constantly have to pull cards and present substantial proof on EVERYTHING.

[PeanutbutterCrazy]

oh, my school buys VERY few evidence...very few, for all forms of debate actually.

[TWB1986]

I do Policy and Public Form... so suck it =)

[JerichoFrost]

Lmfao Policy is for the kids who are to lazy to do the public forum topics and who can barely speak. Have any of you actually seen a policy round? It's totally worthless! There's no actual real world experience in the entire thing, worthless.

[xdavio]

i would hardly say that policy kids are lazy. some of the most motivated high school students i've ever met are policy debaters, and they do hours of work to get good at it. PFD, on the other hand, requires very little preparatory work.

[nairb202]

Very little preparatory work, if you don't want to win. Its true that even if you do lots of preparatory work, you are not guaranteed to do well. This however does not mean by any shot that PF can be done effectively without much work. You should be arguing the caliber of the participants, not the actual debate itself. I have yet to see any tangible attack on PF itself, and instead see a thick-headed elitist viewpoint. Not necessarily to you, Xdavio, but to lots of the posters here.

[xdavio]

Point taken that authentic, good PFD requires lots of work. I could see that; however, in my personal experience with PFD, I never really saw this "good" pdf debating. You're right, this video probably serves to critique the debaters themselves, and not the actual activity. It probably doesn't help that I come from a small district with a fledgling and undernourished PFD program and a comparably massive and popular policy program.

[natalie1240]

i did policy for three years and im doing public forum instead this year because of the time contraints on my schedule. pofo is fucking ridiculous...god damn, i turn every debate into a policy debate though, even though ks and cps are banned. oh, well. i still make the arguments, i just dont call them ks and cps. ha. take that, you pussy PFDers!

[smashpash]

pf is for the kids who weren't smart enough to do policy :D

[nairb202]

haha thats pretty good. I wouldn't diss PFD as more as the people who join PFD. I do PFD for my highschool (I joined my junior year, "not enough time to learn policy" coach says). Alot of the people who join PFD are horrible, and almost laughable. I will says however PFD is better for real world then policy, which has kind of turned into more of a game then actual debate.

[utvolsfan7]

policy= i can read really fast....ld= i can speak philosophy on a higher level...PFD= i know how to communicate with average people, which is much more useful

[KCBadass]

You obviously don't know anything about policy debate. If anyone wins for the simple fact that they're faster, then the other team must have been really shitty. Policy allows you to get more indepth with your arguments, and yes you need speed for that. It increases the education. If you've ever met a policy debater who couldn't communicate with an average person, then you haven't met a policy debater.

[Commie90]

On that same note as KCBadass, there's a lot more to LD than philosophy. For one watch the TOC videos on Victory Briefs and you will see the diversity of LD styles. Mayhapse you have never heard of a lay/old hand judge in LD. For some reason there's a group of judges that think LD is still a communication event. These judges actually expect you to communicate extremely complicated theories and ideas on a level that a third grader could understand, that's what marks the best LD kids.

[Commie90]

Now while it is extremely impressive the PFDers can take an idea that's simple to begin with and just repeat it in equally simple terms (please note the sarcasm), I find it much more impressive when a L-Der can take an idea that most people could never grasp in it's original form and put it in terms that a lay judge can comprehend. Plus PFD topics are generally irrelevant (NBA dress code and college admissions anyone?), linear (tax cuts good or bad?), and boring to debate (economic junk).

[thegnastygnome]

The purpose of PF is to take a simple topic and find complex and solid arguments behind your side and make your oppenents look stupid. You must have watched a bad round.

[Commie90]

Oh not to mention the topics that are so poorly chosen that they are no longer able to be debated equally on both sides a week after they are released such as the recent Iran topic. By the way in L-D there's a lot of speed reading whenever two upper level varsity are competing in front of a very experienced judge. In both events I've seen them slow down whenever there's a lay judge, so you're wrong L-D and policy people know how to communicate with an average person. Nice try though.

[thegnastygnome]

I hated the Iran topic! It made me want to pull out my eyeballs and throw them at somebody! The last topic was even worse! Civil disobediance... LD topic.

[Archemo]

Oh my god!!!! The Civil Disobediance!!! I'm in Speech, not debate. But my boyfriend had the civil disobediance one. It sounds more philospophical than anything.

[thegnastygnome]

I hated it! It was an LD topic several years ago! My debate partner and I won a meet with it but it made us want to rip our eyes out! I still don't want to talk about MLK, Jr.

[Archemo]

Lmao, I know what you mean. But at least you won :) It was PF this time.

[persrap22]

haha, policy rules!

[bonnedoctor]

hahahahahahaha, that's such an accurate depiction of PoFo

[JerichoFrost]

Wow. I wish every public forum match was as easy as something like that. To bad common sense isn't official information, ey?

[Commie90]

Yes! That's pretty much an accurate reproduction of every PF round...um ever. I did PF once, I learned how to do it an hour before the tournement and I read the cases for the first time right before and during and first round, in the end I got second speaker and me and my partner made it to semifinals...moral of the story PF=easy, so do L-D or Policy

[xdavio]

totally. my partner (the kid in the jacket on the screen) and i definitely prefer policy over pfd.

[iluvnooyawk]

"My partner and I"

[thomasbentz69er]

hahah. fuck you guys.