Tour de Corse ´86 and the Tragedy

[mHKZRandom]

noone should ever have to be burnd alive

[fgtxpaco7458ss]

Henri could have won the rally but 1 main factors ended his life The lancia was leaking fuel but not just petrol it was mixed with Touline the fuel was mostly Touline the chassis or anything had nothing to do with it Touline was the real problem its a type of fuel for turbo engines to reach peak BHP but for humans but the fumes u feel light headed or K.O or Death it cant be removed from the body it stays and affects the nerves system in Henri's case he inhaled the fumes then then he was K.O

[fgtxpaco7458ss]

@fgtxpaco7458ss then......... he crashed

[MegaJCMartin94]

@fgtxpaco7458ss Toivonen was complaining about the car being too powerful for a rally like the Tour de Corse. He found it very hard to keep the car balanced on the road and admitted it was very exhausting. Another reason why he died and because his crew/team was ignoring Henri's complains.

[fgtxpaco7458ss]

@MegaJCMartin94 well if he was simply exhausion Marrku Alen would have died too but the car alone wont kill you he also had the flu and to end it all the Touline simply it was Flu+Exahausion+Touline=his death Im not saying the cars easy to drive they needed insane skill but the cars were not the problem The real Problem are those bloody insane fans that got in there way and the FISA did nothing to control if your Italian or Portheges or spain dont try to defend the real cause

[fgtxpaco7458ss]

@fgtxpaco7458ss His Flu was Severe

[fgtxpaco7458ss]

@MegaJCMartin94 and im Italian i feel a bit ashamed of Group B being banned i wish they all would be like the Finns they stayed in there place

[supertrix101]

@MegaJCMartin94 Another factor was that the lancia was far to big for Corsican roads. The rally seemed for better suited to small light cars such as Peugeot's 206, Renault's 5 Turbo and just about any fast go kart....

[Minus42Zero]

Group B could still be running today if they just taimed the cars and kept the damn people off the roads they are for the cars not for people to play chicken. We will never know how big and how far it could have went it could have been bigger then all the racing today. R.I.P. Toivonen and Cresto and Bettega

[rundle1958]

from the following year on the Tour de Corse the number 4 was not used

[supertrix101]

@rundle1958 the number 4 was never used from 1987-1994. The number 4 was back in service in 1995 at the request of the FIA Regulations

[MargusKiistheCritic]

The accident of Toivonen wasn`t very special itself -- pretty usual at Corsica. But Lancia spat on safety and used unsafe plastic fuel tank to decrease the weight of the car. The tank was hit by a tree and exploded. And the safety cage of Lancia was surprisingly weak too -- car was heavily thrashed and drivers were supposedly killed by the trees alone.

[maurob1979]

delta s4: 0 to 100 km/h in 2.9 seconds, this drivers are fantastic, its very difficult to push the trottle of this car

[iwtfsg]

on topgear magazine they said this car would be capable of doing 2.3 s for 0-100km/h in gravel!!!!

[maurob1979]

incredible car, i love that

[x3mlee]

@maurob1979 It featured a supercharger and turbocharger combined to avoid turbo-lag... fantastic!

[maurob1979]

go miky, goooooo

[SuperA1973]

Henri e Sergio vi ameremo per sempre

[maurob1979]

e proprio vero che se ne vanno i migliori, rimane il mistero di come sia successo, si dice un indicazione sbagliata di cresto, o come dice fiorio che si sia superato il limite, mah.. comunque mi rattrista tantissimo per questi 2 campioni , lui e il mio pilota preferito

[kaixxxin]

Henri and Sergio, never to be forgotten.

[lpedy]

so true, like Colin and Richard

[Tuppoo94]

why are you blaming the spectators? it was an accident.

The cars, though spectacular to watch and listen, became too quick and this is what happened. there is no-one to blame.

[Brownyy123]

The crazy spectators were one reason to bann the Group B. Remember the Crash were some spectators died. It was a matter of time when another deadly crash would happen. But you are right, Cars with engines with 600 Bhp were to difficult to handle... RIP Henri

[DC322]

Rally Portugal incident where a Ford rally car lost control and hit the spectators a few months before the fatal crash of Toivonen and Creste at Corsica.

[HesseJamez]

I just wonder why none of the stupid spectators were killed....

[nathanxr]

they were...

[khalithistle]

im sure henri and sergio wouldnt have minded me using my comment on this video to point out how glorious that alfa sounds

[1980Grafik]

The Delta S4 was a ticking timebomb. You were almost sat on the fuel tank. A momentary lapse of concentration in any Group B car would have proven costly.

[supertrix101]

Wonder why the FIA did'nt make sure that Group b cars had safety fuel bags the way F1 cars have nowadays

[Chunkychucky]

It was the fucking spectators aswell, more than likely 5 people deep standing merely a couple of feet from the side of the road, and more often than not actually in it.

[Malc180s]

Because it was a better time. People were allowed to take responsibility for their own lives.

[22derapage]

andate a cagare bastardi nel gruppo B il deltone S4 era un 1789 cc con quasi 600 hp...tirava di bestia porco diaz

[Clt2002]

Levätkää rauhassa Henri Pauli Toivonen ja Sergio Cresto.

[supertrix101]

And besides, the cars were far to large, powerfull, and a little to bulky (some group b cars) for stages like that. The Corsican roads seem far more suitable for micro cars (like the Smart Fortwo and the Peel P50) as well as some very fast go karts, than for these fairly heavy and bulky dinosaurs. RIP Henri and Sergio and Group b.

[picturesofpictures]

Yeah, I agree, the Lancia and the Alfa looked out of place in this rally. They seemed too big and long for such narrow and winding roads. Also, perhaps the cliff face roads were not fenced off enough tp prevent cars from driving over the edge.

[HannuMikkola]

this supertrx101 guy is an idiot.

[supertrix101]

what was wrong with what I said?

[supertrix101]

Instead of banning group b they could have controlled the class to some restrictions and safety mandates (like F1 and IRL do). They could have restricted engine size to (for example) 1000cc or something. They could have also put safety barriers in corsica to prevent cars from falling of the cliff.

[gazawrc]

1000cc? thats the cc of a large motorbike you idiot. you think an organising rally team would have went around puttin up barriers for a three day event?

[supertrix101]

In some rally events all over the world, not only are there rally cars with 1000cc in some series, but also in some rally events the people who organize a rally event do put up barriers in some places where they need to be placed. Why dont you watch some rallies on youtube and you'll understand what I mean.

[gazawrc]

I've been going to and organising rallies all my life. I don't need youtube to learn about rallying. Theyre not rally events. They are racing events. 1000cc is that of a Fiat Seicento - a tiny car. How good would it be to watch a load fiat Seicentos going around at 50mph? or to drive it. to do both would be a waste of time and money!

So do you think that organisers would put up barriers on alot of the average 350 stage km? Who had the money? The entry fee just covers the running of an event!

[supertrix101]

An example a rally in which parts of stages are either fenced or have some barriers put on them is the recent tour de corse rallies from 2002 onwards. From what I have watched on a program and based on what I heard, they had to place barriers on some parts of the stages (the ajaccio stages to be exact) in the wake of Tommi Makinen's accident in 2001 (the accident that injured his co-pilot) to prevent other drivers from crashing and possibly falling into a ravine.

[gazawrc]

that would have been the local council.

[supertrix101]

In addition in some parts of the stages in the Monte Carlo and San Remo rallies there are some barriers that were not set up by the FIA or the organisers, but nevertheless the barriers serve the same purpose. As regards the 1000cc or less part, there are some events in which cars like that participate in. The Mongol Rally hosts classes of 1000cc or less, another example was back in the late 50's and early 60's, Panhard once ran a wrc car that hosted a 848cc engine.

[supertrix101]

Yes, what I am saying probably makes no sense to you, but hey, if you take for example and old Fiat 500, classic Mini, or even a Smart car, Add some slightly large(custom) wheels, and then either tune up the engine/put 1 or more turbochargers to the engine, or simply add a 1000cc superbike engine with 1 or more turbochargers and you basicaly have a formidible rally weapon. (You can also add a 4wd system as an option too.)

[supertrix101]

In addition if you look on youtube under the search titles, smart 1000cc or smart 1000 gsxr, you may find a clip that has a smart powered by a Suzuki GSXR 1000 engine (although that I assume, does not have 4wd). If the FIA had WRC cars that had 1000cc or less, like I have mentioned, the sport could've been more affordable, In my opinion that is.

[filhoduval]

this was 1986, like 23 years ago...

and what do you mean by 1000cc? my bike is 1000cc, did you mean 400+ hp?

almost impossible to control?

[supertrix101]

We do have WRC cars that have 2000cc as of right now. They are however limited to 300 hp. I am thinking they should probably do the same thing with cars with 1000cc or less....

[sykkonen]

Levätkää rahassa Henri Toivonen ja Sergio Cresto

R.I.P Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto

[kekovillagreen]

5:10 Pff.. que mal lo pasaria que mala suerte

[porcamadiope]

good video..

[Sneddarn]

RIP. Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto. :(

[mupperbailey]

well said tommytoofar. henri was one of the most exciting and talented drivers i've ever had the privilege to see. big loss to rallying, an exceptional talent. same as mcrae, gone but never forgotten

r.i.p from england

[tommytoofar]

Its heartbreaking to watch, but the only thing that could be taken from it is that he died doing what he loved. We were robbed of a driver of exceptional talent who would no doubt have gone on to become world champion and a rival to our now more established heroes such as McRae, Sainz, Auriol etc. Legends dont die, they just move on to the next stage.

[monsterbaja5b1984]

@tommytoofar WELL SAID!!!! ENOUGH SAID

[pericopocorpo]

mejor 500 caballos puros a carburacion ke 300 a inyeccion y cortados por centralita

[mrf34]

it's really sad, and somehow weird, that on 2 consecutive years Corsica was marked by tragedy... Attilio Bettega in 1985, and Toivonen in 1986.

[tachawmw]

is the car at 2:00 a clio? i didnt know they were about back then.

[136l]

no, it's Metro 6R4

[tachawmw]

thanx

[YouNoWhereRight]

no it's a rover metro 6r4 lol

[supertrix101]

actually the 6r4 was MG's, not Rovers.

[RadicakX]

Guyz group b as a rally had to exist cause it was the beggining of the today's safe wrc rally we have.For the driving now.Group b was a bunch of old suspensions,everything exposed as engine,fuel and a 600bhp out of control.Just deadly cars

[HannuMikkola]

Yeah, but today's cars are limited to a pathetic 100db and sound like farty buzzy bees. The events are so dull consisting of about 4 stages only, repeated over and over again. B0RING!

[Tiszione]

It would have been necessary to finish this competition according to me. The rally is not equal to the death.

[Ecmdrw5]

The last thing those racer would want was to have the race canceled. Just like all of the Group B racers they knew the risks and they were willing to take them.

[liquidvmusic]

so its toivonen's fault he died?

[Ecmdrw5]

where in my comment does it say that.

[Ecmdrw5]

is was a response to all the people that said they couldn't believe they rally continued.

[supertrix101]

No, it was'nt his fault, it was the FIA and the organisers who did very poor planning prior to the tragic event. In additon, nobody expected the tragedy to happen...

[Ricapella]

nobody expected, but they should! Those cars had had already many crazy accidents, and everyone knew they could catch fire if they crash very hard!

[Andypilot333]

The competition spirit of all motorsport participants.

[MassiveEct]

I cant believe they carried on the rally after that crash. It showed absolutely no respect for henri and sergio

[picturesofpictures]

Whether it was ccalled off or not, the atmosphere after the crash must have been a fairly miserable one for all present. I doubt that the winners were skipping and jumping for joy on their way home that evening.

[supertrix101]

In fact, reality has it that no one celebrated. Everyone was in deep sadness due to the loss of thier beloved colleages Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto.

[sinarchia]

Ricordo una Coppa Liburna... Trofeo A112, prova del Castellaccio, tornante "Nuvolari" in discesa: IMPRESSIONANTE!. un tizio gridò :" acc. chi ...zzo è?" Andai a leggere sull'elenco dei partenti... Attilio Bettega

[rocon86]

have the organisers no conscience. 2 PEOPLE DIED!

The rally should have been stopped.

[Partspare]

Yes, and all schools for a 50km radius should have been let out early as well. Perhaps all automotive businesses should have been closed for a three day period? The fact is, ending the race early would have done nothing to bring back the dead racers.

[teropoert]

You are unbelieveable. it's not about bringing back the deads. It's all about the respect. We are living in the real world. We are all real humans. The organisers didn't respect the deads but only thought their benefits when they decided to continue the competition

[Partspare]

'Respect the dead', you make it sound like some kind of cult. IT'S TOO LATE TO RESPECT THEM, they're dead. They needed your respect when they were alive, not afterward. And if you COULD have asked them after the fact, (being the champions that they were) I don't think they would have wanted the race ruined for all the other racers who worked hard to prepare for that day. "That's racing". That's what they'd have say.

[teropoert]

When somebody dies, it is always very sad and serious happening. Everybody should take it seriously. It's also very important to respect deads relatives and participate their sorrow. I almost understand your point but for me it's terrible to see how did they react when a man died.

[Partspare]

It's not like they jubilantly celebrated the deaths. There are other less invasive ways the racers & organizers show respect. A moment of silence at the awards ceremony for example. Or dedicating the next race in the name of the fallen comrades. Believe me, no racer likes to see another racer get hurt.

[gumpdy]

Call off the rally? How does stopping the rally have anything to do with respect? Have you not noticed this is group B? It's balls to the walls racing.

[arteddie]

i'm suprised they carried on after the tragic crash!

[supertrix101]

Me too. They could have stopped immediatley in the wake of tragic events like this like they would have in any other sport.

[AtlasRising]

Corsica is spelled "Corse" in French, not "Course" (which means "race"). Good vid though. 5 stars.

[Feint2006]

cool vid! Where did you find this?

[mrf34]

late reply, but this was taken (I presume) from Duke's season review. I have the DVD.

[xxxLUCOxxx]

yep ! :-)