Christian schools will not celebrate Halloween...If religion is the mission I say, send your child to an out of pocket private school and let the American children enjoy an education in our taxpayer...no religious preference there...schools.
Wearing any religous symbol in public school or even working for a company, an employer can ask for such items not to be warnned to be viewed. I worked for Valero and they had strict regulation of wearing any symbol on their uniform as it does not represent the company.
Why is okay for a school to change the name of Christmas song because it has the word Christ in it, but its okay to sing about Hanukkah? Its so bias and ridiculous. Im religious, but I don't give a fuck if people are religious or not. I think people just hate Christians, but they tolerate other religions? i don't get people!
What is a "real christian"? Since "Christian" means "Christ-like" or "One who follows Christ."
"Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” -Matthew 19:21
PRAYER IN SCHOOL/ASSEMBLIES "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." - Matthew 6:5-6
Your problem isn't with God, is with man made dogmas created in our quest to understand God. You're confused because you try to get all the answers at the same time. You need to solve one problem at a time. Solve the first one and then we can move to the others. Could an immaterial conscious being, or a form of conscious energy, create the universe? Is there any possibility for that? yes/no? If not, why not.
Is there any possibility of God existing in any possible world?
The Bill of Rights says this: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
So unless the Federal government requires local schools to enforce or prohibit prayer there is no issue. Local communities can pray or not if they choose to in school and the Federal government cannot prohibit or enforce that choice. The truth is only the states have the power to prohibit or require prayer in school, per the constitution.
The First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
It does not say - "The Congress shall sanitize the public environment and obliterate any mention of a god or religion, least someone somewhere have injured feelings."
Removing prayer from schools VIOLATES religious freedom by "prohibiting the free exercise thereof." It prevents people from expressing their faith publicly.
Student-lead prayer is permited by the All-Powerful, All-seeing, All-knowing Supreme Court, and we should drop to our knees and thank them for permiting this.
A group of Feminists get together to rally for somthing like stricter penalties for rapists and pediphiles, and it's always "Feminists hate men!" "Feminists are Lesbians!" "Feminists want to enslave men!"
In the mid-20th-century it was the same way with the KKK: "N***ers hate Whites!" "Ni**ers want to enslave Whites!"
In the 1800s, the U.S. government was the same with Native Americans:
um no because the KKK believed in something, Feminism is Horse shit and Atheism has no belief or rules they follow other than that of the land, and the religious right are the ones wanting to indoctrinate they're morals into our government system where it bares absolutely zero right.
"When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be SEEN BY MEN. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full." Mathew 6:5
@Keysteeze What did God bless the USA with prior to "liberalism brainwashing"? Was it the Civil war, WWI and WWII? Or, perhaps it was slavery. Oh and let's not forget natural disasters, the eartquakes, tornadoes etc.
In any event, you're arguing that because americans aren't praying or or praising God, God is offended and nolonger providing protection. He;ll just watch people die. That's quite a moral character you're worshipping. You can keep your God, I'm not going to worship that villian.
so if in my school that we can have religes groups in my school than ill make a atheist group in my school and if thay dont let me than ill say there breaking the law betwen church and school
@l4dlovemaker2000 Assuming the Christian groups are extra curricular, run by the students themselves, your school is doing nothing wrong-- However, if they won't allow a similar Atheist group, they are discriminating.
As a colony the U.S. was not allowed to print Bibles in English, one of the first acts of this new country was to print Bibles in English to be taught in public schools. This show and the whole concept of seperation of church and state is B.S. and can easily be shown with a little research.
@daddyg321 There were numerous German bibles printed in the colonies from 1663 on. The first English one wasn't printed in America until 1782, hardly "one of the first acts". The biggest reason, aside from there being no shortage of imported bibles previous to that, was whether or not the King James version was actually a copyright of the English crown. There was no specific law against printing bibles.
i guess it depends as local laws and decisions seem to vary. i can only speak for my area. the moment of silence was taken away as it was deemed to be promoting people to pray. many people dont want to pray so it was not cool for them. then recently there has been all this crying &outrage from the muslim community here that it violates them as i guess they are supposed to pray several times a day at preset times or something? anyways so its now allowed again, i guess other groups can now too
Taking religion out of the schools was the best thing for it. Religious people should not want the teaching of religion to return to public schools. If it does return, the state will give a secular teaching of religion. Whereas if the only aspects they learn about religion comes from the theological perspective of their parents they will be more likely to continue in the faith.
@Keysteeze Yes; liberalism brainwashing is ethical however. Good is Evil and Evil is Good; this is America today. God is not "blessing America"; but judging. Birds falling dead, fish dying, Magnetic pole shifting, USD crashing, BP spill ain't nothing; God's protection is GONE! So athiests and apostates your dream is real. Famine, and worst natural disasters than you can imagine and war is coming to America! Enjoy! God is finished w/the USA. No rapture neither lukewarm. Persecution.
Any of you geniuses ever realize that when they took prayers out of the school that's when all of these school shootings started happening? You can't take God out of anything and have it prevail. sorry!! Whether you believe it or not God exists, What you fail to understand is that he will exist after you unbelievers are suffering in hell. God Bless!!
I'm against prayer during the Pledge of Allegiance. However, I am for the moment of silence.
I was an agnostic all through high school and whenever we had our moment of silence, if we were having a test or something in that class, I would calm myself down and mentally review what I had studied beforehand. You have no idea how much that helped me.
no one ever askes an atheist for the meaning of life, they never ask an atheist to come to their bedside when they are dying for comforting, and no one ever ask an atheists to give them a foundation for morals and goodness, people here are calling atheists for insight?!!!???
@StLukey7 only the lost, ask religious ppl for the meaning of life. athiests are happy to try to work it out. no one asks an athiest to come to their death bed for last rights/sermon etc. and morals and goodness? geezuz man, dont talk to me about christians leading the way in that, we athiests can live more moral, and lives full of 'goodness' without imaginary friends in our heads. get off ur high horse, what ur saying is laughable.
@StLukey7 "atheism is the silliest non sense in human philosophy"
No, I'll tell you what's silly. Believing in something based on faith alone. That will get you nowhere but into a church where you can all compare clothes once a week.
I don't know about you but I CARE if my beliefs are true so no evidence... no belief.
Anyway what if I decided to become religious? Which religion would I choose? YOURS??? Why? What makes yours any more likely than any of the other 300?
is it bias that my world history text says "Evolution is still only a theory" and "at the basis of darwin's theories is the unscientific concept of chance. chance involves random or undetermined occurrences. in a mechanistic, cause-and-effect universe, chance is not possible. the goes on to says that "the nazi movement in the 1900's was motivated by "survival of the fittest." and "slavery was granted a 'scientific' basis in the theories of darwin"
I'm sure it is what Atheist want to do........you won't find God at school too much these days and it's very telling and is a sad state of where we are as a nation.
Not much hope for the future if Gods not there with you in the end.
@TheMaximusmacro Typical answer, again sad ... I did not say America was sad...I was tring to make the point that, the heart of some of the people are sad. You have timely made my point. Congratulations or should I say my condolenses.
@stpkeaton And where is your proof God exists? Btw, Inquisitions, Crusades, 9/11, Salem witch trials...lots of hope for the future for the victims of those, eh?
We have faith, and that is exactly what it is, faith. Some times it's not logical, but it doesn't have to be. Hebrews 11:1 What doesn't make sense to you makes perfect sense to me. This is why Christians and atheists disagree so much, you don't understand our faith (not religion) and we don't understand you lack of faith. Maybe the reason that those two verses are used so much is because they are correct.
@EqualAndFree God can do no wrong. When God answers our prayers it is b/c we asked for the right thing. We can't know His propose for what he does. It takes faith to know that what He does He does for our good.
If everybody had 18 fingers and had purple skin we would consider that natural. Natural is what God made, so of course the world logical b/c that is the way God made it.
@doctorwhoi1 so in what case would you recieve anything from god? what could you possibly pray for that is not considered your passion or something you want to happen in some small way? you say that god is everywhere. i beleive you see him everywhere because you create him in your mind. "god wanted me to meet this person so that this could happen, god did not create a perfect planet or perfect people. he created flaws
@SlashSbin You missed the middle of the verse "you ask wrongly". This means you ask for selfish things. 'Ex. I want lots of money so I can have a really big house.'
One day you will see Him then you will know that He exists.
God did create the earth perfect. He distorted it to punish us for our sin.
But he created our sins. 'God' created all things, good and evil, and if he had this supposed master plan, then he knew that Eve would eat from the Tree of Knowledge, which he freely put there. It just doesn't make sense. If he was a benevolent god, as your book says he is, then he wouldn't have created sin in the first place.
@doctorwhoi1 Except, God was the one who made it possible for us to sin, and he KNEW we were going to, since he's all-knowing. Therefore, he planned on punishing us for something that he could have stopped, simply by not putting the tree there.
What kind of relationship would I have if I never prayed to God. Praying isn't about telling God what to do, Praying is about building a relationship with him. Yes we ask for things: "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find knock and the door will be opened" Matt 7:7
He sees what we don't. Its not our job to now his propose
"I have plans for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you a hope and a future." Jeremiah 29:11
True it does say that, however you need to put that in context. The Pharisees would stand at a corner and pray as loud as they could so people would see them and what they were doing. Jesus showed them that what they were doing was wrong and selfish.
We need to have prayer in schools to teach Children good habits.
Yesterday, the Principal of my wife's public school, emailed every staff member a religious note. He has just taken over the school last week and seems to have brought in some woo, against the rules. Guess what? No reaction whatsoever from anyone. Turns out the Superintendent is his good buddy and the school is in a predominantly Baptist community. Lots of rule breaking going on in the Southern USA. Same thing at the public school I am employed. Lots of bulk email from xtians daily.
church state separation was intended to stop the requiring of a religion to hold office or hold jobs and things.. that shouldnt mean that you cant have prayer in public school, or post the ten commandments in court, or say merry christmass or any other expression of ones religion... the law was meant to ensure you have a right to practice your own religion... you people are trying to ban practicing religion in public...people have the right to worship in public, and you have the right to not
You have every right to worship anything you want in public. The difference is when a publicly funded or run institution sanctions or promotes a specific religion. Big difference there. We are not trying to ban you from having your rights but making sure we don't end up a theocracy. If that is what you prefer, feel free to move to Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, or any other country run by clergy.
Good, insightful comment; unfortunately the fundies and born-agains cannot seem to grasp the subtle difference between indivdual rights and governmental promotion of religion. It just doesn't seem to sink in with them.
@saxmanchiro Hey, thanks! I wasn't familiar with that second quote, but it's absolutely great. I think I'm going to put it up on my office wall. Thanks again.
@saxmanchiro Would you be so adverse to a publicly funded institution promoting atheism? There is nothing wrong with a public school involving voluntary prayer in it's schools especially if the students are religious and non-religious students can decide not to pray if they don't want to. The First Amendment states that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Prohibiting prayer in school would violate this clause.
@ColibriAnna08 How do you promote atheism? I cannot invision what that could be. Government funded institutions should not promote either. If you want to pray, go for it. Just don't have the institution leading or pushing it. How does a Muslim, Hindu, etc , feel when Christian prayers are conducted?
Banners in school with the Ichyths fish evolving legs is one way . There are some schools in my area that have done this. How do Muslims, Hindus, etc. feel? It doesn't matter. If I attended school in a predominately Muslim or Hindu country I would not be offended. Religious freedom means we accepted and tolerate all religions, not obscure them from public view so we don't offend anyone. The fact is people shouldn't get offended when encountering other's beliefs. That's called INTOLERANCE!
@ColibriAnna08 Your post showed your true colors. "How do Muslims or Hindus, etc feel? It doesn't matter."
That's why we have the Constitution written the way it is, to make sure all feel ok to worship or not worship the way they want. When a particular religion is sanctioned or pushed by gov agencies, that is against the 1st Amendment. Please see the forest for the trees here. If we gave equal time for all types of prayers, there wouldn't be time to do anything else. Pray at church, not school
@saxmanchiro You can read it how you want, but that is a mark against your selective hearing, not my true colors. You missed an obvious point I was making. If I lived in a mainly Hindu or Muslim country, I wouldn't get my feelings hurt because they prayed in school. The First Amendment is about congressional laws - not school rules or conduct because school conduct is determined by the leaders, not the government. Accept that, damn.
"Pray at church, not school." Intolerance, once again.
I do not tolerate lying to students in schools and neither should you.. That, I can assure you, is what constitutes my intolerance. If religious folks want to study fairytales, myths and ancient holy books, that is fine in church but not in a government funded institution such as a public school. Oh ya, sporting a fish emblem with legs is just promoting the truth. I forgot to address that earlier point you posted. It doesn't promote atheism whatsoever.
@saxmanchiro Ha! Because YOU don't believe it doesn't mean it's lying. If you honestly think we should only teach students what you think is real, then you are one egotistical ass. This post proves that you don't give a damn about religious freedom, what's best for kids, or Hindus and Muslims. You just care about atheism and keeping students from being taught anything you don't want to believe. Sir, you are the liar here, pretending to be for religious rights when you are only for your agenda.
@ColibriAnna08 Let's see. So far, I have been civil with you. Your last few posts have been personal with insultive comments and name-calling("egotistical ass" and "bigot" and "liar"). I am done here.
@saxmanchiro Nice try. The character assassination in the conversation began when you when, rather than understand where I was coming from and prefering to argue endlessly, said the statement "it doesn't matter" "showed your true colors". If you don't want someone to make comments about the ugly personality your present to them, then don't be the first to turn the debate on a personal level. And if you do, don't throw your hands up and say you're done when it's your fault.
(cont.) You yourself said promoting religion in schools violates the Constitution, but promoting atheism is just promoting the truth. That's called a double standard, dear, and it doesn't fly. That's not how our Constitution works. Rather than wanting schools and students to conform to your beliefs and the government to sanitize any mention of god to suit you, why don't you accept religious teachings and people and stop trying to force it out of the world, you bigot.
(cont.) And I see you ignored the last part of my argument. Why should anyone get offended when encountering beliefs different from their own? Isn't that intolerance? The fact is, eliminating any mention or sentiment for religion in school would only prevent students from learning about and accepting other people's faith. This is all about atheists not wanting to hear about religion out of a bias dislike for it. It's about their agenda and their lack of tolerance for people of faith. The end!
@ColibriAnna08 Evolution and athiesm are not one in the same. There is a fringe group of athiests who actually beleivein a form of creationism, but rather than beleive a god did it they beleive an alien civilization created all life. Your comment of a banner showing a fish with legs being an advert for athiesm is fucking moronic.
I'm not talking about just A FISH. The Ichthys fish is an ancient symbol of Christianity, and this use of it with evolving legs is satire of Christianity. Obviously, you read my comment with ignorant of what an Ichthys fish actually is. You might want to understand my arguments before you reply to them - least you embarrass yourself.
I'm aware of what the Icthys fish is moron. I never even adressed that point in my post as such. If you don't want me commenting, don't make a fallicious statement like Evolution=Athiesm. Anyone will tell you it's not true.
@NUTCASE71733 Calling me a moron does not negate your point, nor does repeating it a second time prove I am. I think you are dead full of straw-men. I never claimed Atheism = Evolution, and so far you through all your accusations you have been unable to prove I did. You can comment as much as you like as long as you bring a intellectual discussion to the table rather than nonsensical accusations.
Satirical use of a Christian symbol is an Atheist sentiment. It's not Evolution.
@azumaninjay yeah we sure do and what the chosen people of christian america need to use the bombs to kick start the coming of jesus so he can get rid of all the evil sinners like you!
I studied in a Metodist School, it was horrible, they made us pray every morning, also there was a class called "christian religion" and we had to study the bible and other stuff ... that was so boring
At my school we have a 'Youth for Christ' club, before schools sometimes they do a 'national prayer' and the school administrative mentioned it at LEAST 4 times during the day about it, yet they do not mention any other clubs when they have events. And why don't we have a Agnostic group then? lol think I might make one,
I've talked to a couple teachers, but they're a little hesitant because of the rep that they will most likely get. They don't want it to effect their jobs. If it was the other way around and we were christian and made one, we would all get good rep, etc. This sucks, lol
everyone should be free to make there own choice when it comes to asking the questions, why are we here and whats the point............ school is not a place for that, school is a place where wisdom is passed down,..things that have been learned from trial and error...."the scientific method"
of course you shall sir, according to ammendment 1 of the US constitution you have a freedom of religion...There is a time and a place for prayer, public school isn't it! Also, no mention of christianity or god at all throughout the constitution...
In 1797 the treaty of tripoli stated "The Government of the United States of America Is Not, in Any Sense, Founded on the Christian Religion..." and clearly represented the feelings of the Founding Fathers 10 years after USA government formation.
As long as someone else doesn't get in trouble for not praying, then it should be fine. I on the other hand got in trouble for not praying at my school during a pep rally.
Well this is the problem, there doesn't seem to be a balance. You either get in trouble for praying AT ALL even if it didn't interrupt lessons/games, while in another place you would get in trouble for trying to keep prayer a personal thing and not have it interrupt lessons.
It cheeses me off big time when I see things like this.
When I was in high school they had morning religion meetings held by the football coach and basketball coach and those who attended were basically guaranteed way more play time and such. It was so unfair I ended up starting to attend the meetings with a couple friends who also noticed this just to get play time. It was like religious discrimination. All of the people were different kinds of christians, catholics, baptists so on.
I bet it still happens all the time. practice at church or home
What is annoying to me is "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the money we are forced to use. This is in your face all the time, it's bullshit, take it off the money!
Yes, I agree. And poor Susan B. Antony, an outspoken atheist, has to sit there looking at this crap on her coin. Freedom from religion is freedom from it.
@4me2cclearly - Yes, I agree...fear during the Cold War era is what caused the "IN GOD WE TRUST" to be put on the money in the first place...we aren't in that mindset now, get rid of it...but then you have the issue of the Federal Reserve, which isn't a government agency, issuing the money we use, that's another scam.
@radafat "The English are lucky, they get Darwin on their money..."
Unfortunately, It is also a legal requirement to have a daily act of collective worship in all state schools in England and the overwhelming proportion of those state/public school have some degree of religion taught as fact (not classes in comparative religion) as part of the curriculum. In most cases, this is christian but in many inner city schools, it is entirely Muslim.
@StLukey7 - Putting any reference to a god on money is stupid, the only reason it's on the US currencey is because of fear during the Cold War era. Why not IN EACH OTHER WE TRUST, you know, something real.
Our public scools are designed for one perpose in mind only: to breed gays. Since gays cannot reproduce, liberal teechers must turn non-gays into gays, and they do it in the scools wile our childrens are still young. Being the smart Christian conservutive that I am, I catched on to this deevius plan and pulled my 3 young boys from the communist public scools. From now on, they will be home-scooled only.
You have prayer in school, just not teacher/faculty lead prayer. I'm a Nahua Reconstructionist, someone who worships the Aztec gods, and if someone tried to force me to pray to a god I don't worship, I would punch them in the face, and if I was praying to Huitzilopochtli or Xipe Totec and someone tried to make me stop, I would punch them in their face. You do your thing and let me do mine.
From what I was able to pull up after a 15-second trip to Wikipedia, "punched in the face" would be the least of my worries when encountering a worshiper of Huitzilopochtli. I'm going to go ahead and say I'm adamantly opposed to any belief system that involves the ripping out of still-beating human hearts, followed by ritual cannibalism. Not saying that you embrace the full ritual, but if you do, damn skippy I'd try to stop you. It would be comforting if you went on record as being a "moderate."
I confess a certain relief in the knowledge that your gods can be propitiated with more mundane offerings than warm, quivering human cardiac muscle. I do suspect that "pretty stones" or "brightly colored feathers" must seem to them a poor substitute. The chocolate, though, (who doesn't like a good Hershey's bar?) is probably a bit closer to the mark.
Christ. The day I get into a debate regarding the morality of human sacrifice, voluntary or otherwise, is the day I quit YouTube.
A "good Hershey bar" is a good thing to offer, but the gods generally preffer dark chocolate. Pretty stones and feathers aren't exactly substitutes, the Aztec offered them when blood or sacrifice wasn't required. Blood is still their preffered offering though. You don't have to agree with me about the human sacrifice issue, I know that my personal opinion on the subject is considered very radical by most of the world. Most would simply assume I'm a lunatic for saying I think it should be legal.
Now go do some biological studies, examinations, and perhaps publish data that would shock the entirety of the scientific community. For if you were to do this then you would have actually contributed to something. I mean what gives you authority, some random guy on youtube, over the entire scientific community which spans generations, countries and beliefs on such a boldly claimed assertion?
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T.R.A.V.I.S. T.H.E. C.H.I.M.P.A.N.Z.E.E. = "Teachers Reveal A Violently Intolerant Side Then Hearing Evolution Contradicted; However, Individuals Making Points Against Neo-Darwinism Zap Evolution Eventually"
The problem with that is, all science points towards evolution. That's why 99.98% of all biologists accept common descent and natural selection. Not to mention the mountains of taxonomical, genetic, and paleontological data.
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I.T.'S. T.I.M.E. F.O.R. T.H.A.T. N.A.T.U.R.E. B.O.Y. R.I.C. F.L.A.I.R. H.E.R.E. ! "If The 'Science' Textbook Insists Mankind 'Evolved' From Ongoing Randomness/Time/Hyle, Ask Teacher: "Now Are Textbooks Ultimately Random Evolutionary By-products Of Yet Random Ideas Coming From Luck-produced Authors In Random House Editors Randomly Edited?"
Hyle is matter. Evolutionists are hylotheists, along with worshipping Time/chance/matter and change.
Evolution has never been disproved. If it had, 99.98% of all biologists wouldn't still accept it. Want me to put that into perspective? There are 4 times as many historians who are holocaust deniers.
We do not believe is pantheism. Most of us don't at least. The atheist evolutionists do not believe in any god or worship anything. Such an assertion is childish.
Scientific text is not made my random authors, you may as well argue against chemistry.
Public Schools should accomodate what a religion REQUIRES, nothing more is asked. Muslims are REQUIRED to pray at certain times during the day. It's a religious OBLIGATION, not a preach to others and not forcing others to follow them, only accomodating their NEEDS. Prayer is an obligation. If other religions have such OBLIGATIONS, they should be accommodated.
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Science only proves there is a creator. Stem-cells proved the story of God creating Eve from a rib. Also the story of Jonah has been proven possible when a man fell off a ship in the same sea and lived in the belly of a fish back in the 50's
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Once your on the other side there is no turning back, repent and live right. Those who have had near death experience explain horrifying realities of hell. Its forever torment seperation from God.
Hell yeah. Don't let these assholes convince you otherwise. Historically Christians have done fucked up things to free thinkers (torture and killed) and have spread their lies by the edge of a sword. The reason why there are so many Christians now is because anyone that spoke out against the church or believed in anything else were killed, not because they are the "right" religion. Fuck these pious simple-minded phonies.
Why? are christians hurting you? they aren't making you believe anything, they simply have their rights to believe whatever they want just like you do... You sound way more offensive then they do.
First of all, historically Christians labeled people that spoke out against the church like me as heretics and then burned them at the stake. I wouldn't be doing all those people justice if I didn't openly state what I believe. I could care less about if it hurts your feelings. Why should your beliefs be spoken and not mine? Also gays aren't allowed to marry because of religion. Use your own philosophy and let them marry then. Thought not
It doesn't hurt my feelings, I simply believe it is morally wrong since they aren't directly hurting you in any way. I have christian friends that are %100 for gay marriage, I know some that arent, but would still love someone who is.
They also would not label you as a heretic or stereotype you, they simply believe in God, but, who is being the judgemental one, you or them? so, why should gay marriage be accepted, but not religion. Neither are hurting you anyway. Of course you can openly state what you believe and I am in no way preventing you from that, I am trying to help you think freely which I admit, Christians generally have a lack of doing, but does that make it wrong? for the record, I am an Agnostic, not christian.
and I am not at all promoting that... and the bible says not to kill anyways... so that person is contradicting thier own beliefs by killing. So that person is just stupid, how is that even a good arguement since they just disobeyed their beliefs by doing that?
Christian schools will not celebrate Halloween...If religion is the mission I say, send your child to an out of pocket private school and let the American children enjoy an education in our taxpayer...no religious preference there...schools.
GoddessBowen 2 days ago
i worship titties. therefore, i should be given a few minutes in the morning to masturbate to katy perry vids.
youthank8 3 weeks ago
how about we let the religious nuts pray for us, and we'll think for them.
youthank8 3 weeks ago
It has been my experience that school boards, everywhere....overreact to every issue that comes along.
kshackleton 1 month ago
Wearing any religous symbol in public school or even working for a company, an employer can ask for such items not to be warnned to be viewed. I worked for Valero and they had strict regulation of wearing any symbol on their uniform as it does not represent the company.
patsaxon 1 month ago
Why is okay for a school to change the name of Christmas song because it has the word Christ in it, but its okay to sing about Hanukkah? Its so bias and ridiculous. Im religious, but I don't give a fuck if people are religious or not. I think people just hate Christians, but they tolerate other religions? i don't get people!
UkexP 2 months ago
@UkexP I'm an atheist, but I've wondered about that too.
Nebuli2 1 month ago
Some of my best friends pray, just don't shove your prayer in my face :P
GLANL 2 months ago in playlist The Atheist Experience
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What is a "real christian"? Since "Christian" means "Christ-like" or "One who follows Christ."
"Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” -Matthew 19:21
Anything short of that is a HYPOCRITE.
I've yet to meet a "Real Christian."
xephyr1000 3 months ago
You may pray in public schools; the 1st Amendment protects that right.
RepentAmerica454 4 months ago
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PRAYER IN SCHOOL/ASSEMBLIES "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." - Matthew 6:5-6
xephyr1000 3 months ago
Your problem isn't with God, is with man made dogmas created in our quest to understand God. You're confused because you try to get all the answers at the same time. You need to solve one problem at a time. Solve the first one and then we can move to the others. Could an immaterial conscious being, or a form of conscious energy, create the universe? Is there any possibility for that? yes/no? If not, why not.
Is there any possibility of God existing in any possible world?
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
The Bill of Rights says this: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
So unless the Federal government requires local schools to enforce or prohibit prayer there is no issue. Local communities can pray or not if they choose to in school and the Federal government cannot prohibit or enforce that choice. The truth is only the states have the power to prohibit or require prayer in school, per the constitution.
rockthecityatnight 6 months ago
Student-lead prayer is legal, and its a shame a few people want to change the culture to fit their opinions.
TheDesertProphet454 7 months ago
U guys need to check out Christopher hitchens. Lol
Jonathanedward2010 8 months ago 2
Voldemort filed a lawsuit?
Evker0 8 months ago
@Evker0 damn i was a month too late XD
itsuyo211 6 months ago
The First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
It does not say - "The Congress shall sanitize the public environment and obliterate any mention of a god or religion, least someone somewhere have injured feelings."
Removing prayer from schools VIOLATES religious freedom by "prohibiting the free exercise thereof." It prevents people from expressing their faith publicly.
ColibriAnna08 10 months ago
Looks like Matt and Martin pissed off some of their fellow atheists by saying that religious people have rights too.
seeqer66 10 months ago
I once went to a "town hall meeting" that a state representative was having at the local city council building.
The first thing that he did, was ask everyone there to bow their heads and join him in an opening prayer.
Which is BLATENTLY illegal.
As you can prrobbably guess, he's a Republican.
But when a politician does somthing like that, what can you do?...
Call the cops and say "I'd like to report a breech of the Separation of Church and State, in progress" ?
SinnFein4ever 10 months ago
Student-lead prayer is permited by the All-Powerful, All-seeing, All-knowing Supreme Court, and we should drop to our knees and thank them for permiting this.
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Thank you Supreme Court of the USA
WayOfTheMaster454 11 months ago
i love how religions always claim to be under attack when they're being counter attacked. they're always throwing stones.
wetdream09 1 year ago
@wetdream09
Misogynists are always doing the same thing.
A group of Feminists get together to rally for somthing like stricter penalties for rapists and pediphiles, and it's always "Feminists hate men!" "Feminists are Lesbians!" "Feminists want to enslave men!"
In the mid-20th-century it was the same way with the KKK: "N***ers hate Whites!" "Ni**ers want to enslave Whites!"
In the 1800s, the U.S. government was the same with Native Americans:
"Save the child, by killing the Indian".
SinnFein4ever 10 months ago
@SinnFein4ever
um no because the KKK believed in something, Feminism is Horse shit and Atheism has no belief or rules they follow other than that of the land, and the religious right are the ones wanting to indoctrinate they're morals into our government system where it bares absolutely zero right.
wetdream09 10 months ago
"When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be SEEN BY MEN. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full." Mathew 6:5
capitalpunishme 1 year ago
@Keysteeze What did God bless the USA with prior to "liberalism brainwashing"? Was it the Civil war, WWI and WWII? Or, perhaps it was slavery. Oh and let's not forget natural disasters, the eartquakes, tornadoes etc.
In any event, you're arguing that because americans aren't praying or or praising God, God is offended and nolonger providing protection. He;ll just watch people die. That's quite a moral character you're worshipping. You can keep your God, I'm not going to worship that villian.
GenRipper 1 year ago
so if in my school that we can have religes groups in my school than ill make a atheist group in my school and if thay dont let me than ill say there breaking the law betwen church and school
l4dlovemaker2000 1 year ago
@l4dlovemaker2000 -At my school, I'd get so much shit for trying to start an atheist group
pandapalace11 1 year ago
@pandapalace11 owe from hu the teachers of students?
l4dlovemaker2000 1 year ago
@l4dlovemaker2000 Assuming the Christian groups are extra curricular, run by the students themselves, your school is doing nothing wrong-- However, if they won't allow a similar Atheist group, they are discriminating.
GoblinXXX 1 year ago
As a colony the U.S. was not allowed to print Bibles in English, one of the first acts of this new country was to print Bibles in English to be taught in public schools. This show and the whole concept of seperation of church and state is B.S. and can easily be shown with a little research.
daddyg321 1 year ago
@daddyg321 There were numerous German bibles printed in the colonies from 1663 on. The first English one wasn't printed in America until 1782, hardly "one of the first acts". The biggest reason, aside from there being no shortage of imported bibles previous to that, was whether or not the King James version was actually a copyright of the English crown. There was no specific law against printing bibles.
GoblinXXX 1 year ago
@daddyg321 Also, public schooling as we know it wasn't even a concept until the 1850s, and didn't become common in the entire nation until 1918.
GoblinXXX 1 year ago
Student lead prayer is legal; and the teacher may join in if they wish to.
BibleProclaimer559 1 year ago
i guess it depends as local laws and decisions seem to vary. i can only speak for my area. the moment of silence was taken away as it was deemed to be promoting people to pray. many people dont want to pray so it was not cool for them. then recently there has been all this crying &outrage from the muslim community here that it violates them as i guess they are supposed to pray several times a day at preset times or something? anyways so its now allowed again, i guess other groups can now too
worldtravel101 1 year ago
Taking religion out of the schools was the best thing for it. Religious people should not want the teaching of religion to return to public schools. If it does return, the state will give a secular teaching of religion. Whereas if the only aspects they learn about religion comes from the theological perspective of their parents they will be more likely to continue in the faith.
Keysteeze 1 year ago
@Keysteeze Yes; liberalism brainwashing is ethical however. Good is Evil and Evil is Good; this is America today. God is not "blessing America"; but judging. Birds falling dead, fish dying, Magnetic pole shifting, USD crashing, BP spill ain't nothing; God's protection is GONE! So athiests and apostates your dream is real. Famine, and worst natural disasters than you can imagine and war is coming to America! Enjoy! God is finished w/the USA. No rapture neither lukewarm. Persecution.
ManChildWitness1 1 year ago
Any of you geniuses ever realize that when they took prayers out of the school that's when all of these school shootings started happening? You can't take God out of anything and have it prevail. sorry!! Whether you believe it or not God exists, What you fail to understand is that he will exist after you unbelievers are suffering in hell. God Bless!!
chica0616 1 year ago
oh yes, what an idea. religion is schools. that is not brainwashing AT ALL; XD
gulbirk 1 year ago
The proposed motto was: "We must, we must, we must in god we trust" but it wouldn't fit on the coin.
P0weredByPie 1 year ago
I'm against prayer during the Pledge of Allegiance. However, I am for the moment of silence.
I was an agnostic all through high school and whenever we had our moment of silence, if we were having a test or something in that class, I would calm myself down and mentally review what I had studied beforehand. You have no idea how much that helped me.
MovieFinatic456 1 year ago
@MovieFinatic456 An Agnostic?
Anyway, the moment of silence isn't religious. Just a moment to think about things.
rangergxi 1 year ago
"No prayer in school"? Have they perfected mind reading/mind control? I'm pretty sure you cannot ban public prayer.
RadarKat73080 1 year ago
no one ever askes an atheist for the meaning of life, they never ask an atheist to come to their bedside when they are dying for comforting, and no one ever ask an atheists to give them a foundation for morals and goodness, people here are calling atheists for insight?!!!???
StLukey7 1 year ago
@StLukey7 only the lost, ask religious ppl for the meaning of life. athiests are happy to try to work it out. no one asks an athiest to come to their death bed for last rights/sermon etc. and morals and goodness? geezuz man, dont talk to me about christians leading the way in that, we athiests can live more moral, and lives full of 'goodness' without imaginary friends in our heads. get off ur high horse, what ur saying is laughable.
123perrin 1 year ago
yep i agree!
valeria333able 1 year ago
Hahaha
"Oh you must be happy now!.... ugh...."
tehJESSEH 1 year ago
If Jesus had been beheaded, the Christians would be walking around with axes or guillotines around their neck. 8^)
Seriously, nothing wrong with wearing a cross if you're a believer but teach it in a Science curriculum? Nuh Uh !!!
warren52nz 1 year ago
@warren52nz
atheism is the silliest non sense in human philosophy
StLukey7 1 year ago
@StLukey7 "atheism is the silliest non sense in human philosophy"
No, I'll tell you what's silly. Believing in something based on faith alone. That will get you nowhere but into a church where you can all compare clothes once a week.
I don't know about you but I CARE if my beliefs are true so no evidence... no belief.
Anyway what if I decided to become religious? Which religion would I choose? YOURS??? Why? What makes yours any more likely than any of the other 300?
warren52nz 1 year ago
is it bias that my world history text says "Evolution is still only a theory" and "at the basis of darwin's theories is the unscientific concept of chance. chance involves random or undetermined occurrences. in a mechanistic, cause-and-effect universe, chance is not possible. the goes on to says that "the nazi movement in the 1900's was motivated by "survival of the fittest." and "slavery was granted a 'scientific' basis in the theories of darwin"
8Honk8Honk8 1 year ago
@8Honk8Honk8 Does the textbook actually say that?!
Please reply with the name of the book and the publisher.
Someone needs to be held accountable for this SHIT.
Strawmen arguements and outright lies, in a SCHOOL TEXTBOOK no less!
It should be a crime. Hopefully it will be soon.
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
I'm sure it is what Atheist want to do........you won't find God at school too much these days and it's very telling and is a sad state of where we are as a nation.
Not much hope for the future if Gods not there with you in the end.
stpkeaton 1 year ago
@stpkeaton yep your right america is sad but not for that reason:) thats actually signs the youth wont take your crap anymore
TheMaximusmacro 1 year ago
@TheMaximusmacro Typical answer, again sad ... I did not say America was sad...I was tring to make the point that, the heart of some of the people are sad. You have timely made my point. Congratulations or should I say my condolenses.
stpkeaton 1 year ago
@stpkeaton And where is your proof God exists? Btw, Inquisitions, Crusades, 9/11, Salem witch trials...lots of hope for the future for the victims of those, eh?
RockBanned 1 year ago
@EqualAndFree this is for the last two
We have faith, and that is exactly what it is, faith. Some times it's not logical, but it doesn't have to be. Hebrews 11:1 What doesn't make sense to you makes perfect sense to me. This is why Christians and atheists disagree so much, you don't understand our faith (not religion) and we don't understand you lack of faith. Maybe the reason that those two verses are used so much is because they are correct.
doctorwhoi1 1 year ago
@EqualAndFree See 1 Corinthians 1:18-25
doctorwhoi1 1 year ago
@doctorwhoi1 see the law
ilovetheview47 1 year ago
@EqualAndFree Maybe He would have but you won't recognize it unless you ask.
doctorwhoi1 1 year ago
@EqualAndFree God can do no wrong. When God answers our prayers it is b/c we asked for the right thing. We can't know His propose for what he does. It takes faith to know that what He does He does for our good.
If everybody had 18 fingers and had purple skin we would consider that natural. Natural is what God made, so of course the world logical b/c that is the way God made it.
doctorwhoi1 1 year ago
God has his purpose and he doesn't always do as we ask. If He did we would end up hurting many of people including our selves.
"You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions." James 4:3
God is every where, you just need to look and you will see Him. Some times you need to look hard and others He is staring you in the face.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Gen 1:1
Because God created everything, everything is His and nothing cant be His
doctorwhoi1 1 year ago
@doctorwhoi1 so in what case would you recieve anything from god? what could you possibly pray for that is not considered your passion or something you want to happen in some small way? you say that god is everywhere. i beleive you see him everywhere because you create him in your mind. "god wanted me to meet this person so that this could happen, god did not create a perfect planet or perfect people. he created flaws
SlashSbin 1 year ago
@SlashSbin You missed the middle of the verse "you ask wrongly". This means you ask for selfish things. 'Ex. I want lots of money so I can have a really big house.'
One day you will see Him then you will know that He exists.
God did create the earth perfect. He distorted it to punish us for our sin.
doctorwhoi1 1 year ago
But he created our sins. 'God' created all things, good and evil, and if he had this supposed master plan, then he knew that Eve would eat from the Tree of Knowledge, which he freely put there. It just doesn't make sense. If he was a benevolent god, as your book says he is, then he wouldn't have created sin in the first place.
Acorafication 1 year ago
@Acorafication NOT EVERYONE IS RELIGIOUS, god dam
ilovetheview47 1 year ago
@doctorwhoi1 Except, God was the one who made it possible for us to sin, and he KNEW we were going to, since he's all-knowing. Therefore, he planned on punishing us for something that he could have stopped, simply by not putting the tree there.
Acorafication 1 year ago
What kind of relationship would I have if I never prayed to God. Praying isn't about telling God what to do, Praying is about building a relationship with him. Yes we ask for things: "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find knock and the door will be opened" Matt 7:7
He sees what we don't. Its not our job to now his propose
"I have plans for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you a hope and a future." Jeremiah 29:11
doctorwhoi1 1 year ago
True it does say that, however you need to put that in context. The Pharisees would stand at a corner and pray as loud as they could so people would see them and what they were doing. Jesus showed them that what they were doing was wrong and selfish.
We need to have prayer in schools to teach Children good habits.
doctorwhoi1 1 year ago
Yesterday, the Principal of my wife's public school, emailed every staff member a religious note. He has just taken over the school last week and seems to have brought in some woo, against the rules. Guess what? No reaction whatsoever from anyone. Turns out the Superintendent is his good buddy and the school is in a predominantly Baptist community. Lots of rule breaking going on in the Southern USA. Same thing at the public school I am employed. Lots of bulk email from xtians daily.
saxmanchiro 2 years ago
Well. If the necklace with the cross is ok, would be a burka be ok than, too?
Technically i should be, following their logic.
I don't think either of it should be worn in school by the teachers.
d34d10ck 2 years ago
@d34d10ck True any religious Relic should be allowed if the cross and prayer is allowed in schools
The people don't have 1/2 of thier logic straight however: A teacher can't be involved and/or allowed to be encouraged.
Straight up
t3rr411 2 years ago 2
All prayer in public should be banned! Hey, the dark-ages are over, you know!: )
winterstellar 2 years ago 4
church state separation was intended to stop the requiring of a religion to hold office or hold jobs and things.. that shouldnt mean that you cant have prayer in public school, or post the ten commandments in court, or say merry christmass or any other expression of ones religion... the law was meant to ensure you have a right to practice your own religion... you people are trying to ban practicing religion in public...people have the right to worship in public, and you have the right to not
longfootbuddy 2 years ago
longfoot
You have every right to worship anything you want in public. The difference is when a publicly funded or run institution sanctions or promotes a specific religion. Big difference there. We are not trying to ban you from having your rights but making sure we don't end up a theocracy. If that is what you prefer, feel free to move to Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, or any other country run by clergy.
saxmanchiro 2 years ago 37
@saxmanchiro
Good, insightful comment; unfortunately the fundies and born-agains cannot seem to grasp the subtle difference between indivdual rights and governmental promotion of religion. It just doesn't seem to sink in with them.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 Here is a great quote that sums up your comment.
" To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle." -George Orwell and this one too,
"He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not, is a slave."- Sir William Drummond
saxmanchiro 1 year ago
@saxmanchiro Hey, thanks! I wasn't familiar with that second quote, but it's absolutely great. I think I'm going to put it up on my office wall. Thanks again.
jerico641 1 year ago
@saxmanchiro
refer to the top answer
StLukey7 1 year ago
@StLukey7 Refer to the truth.
saxmanchiro 1 year ago
@saxmanchiro Would you be so adverse to a publicly funded institution promoting atheism? There is nothing wrong with a public school involving voluntary prayer in it's schools especially if the students are religious and non-religious students can decide not to pray if they don't want to. The First Amendment states that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Prohibiting prayer in school would violate this clause.
ColibriAnna08 10 months ago
@ColibriAnna08 How do you promote atheism? I cannot invision what that could be. Government funded institutions should not promote either. If you want to pray, go for it. Just don't have the institution leading or pushing it. How does a Muslim, Hindu, etc , feel when Christian prayers are conducted?
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ColibriAnna08 10 months ago
Banners in school with the Ichyths fish evolving legs is one way . There are some schools in my area that have done this. How do Muslims, Hindus, etc. feel? It doesn't matter. If I attended school in a predominately Muslim or Hindu country I would not be offended. Religious freedom means we accepted and tolerate all religions, not obscure them from public view so we don't offend anyone. The fact is people shouldn't get offended when encountering other's beliefs. That's called INTOLERANCE!
ColibriAnna08 10 months ago
@ColibriAnna08 Your post showed your true colors. "How do Muslims or Hindus, etc feel? It doesn't matter."
That's why we have the Constitution written the way it is, to make sure all feel ok to worship or not worship the way they want. When a particular religion is sanctioned or pushed by gov agencies, that is against the 1st Amendment. Please see the forest for the trees here. If we gave equal time for all types of prayers, there wouldn't be time to do anything else. Pray at church, not school
saxmanchiro 10 months ago
@saxmanchiro You can read it how you want, but that is a mark against your selective hearing, not my true colors. You missed an obvious point I was making. If I lived in a mainly Hindu or Muslim country, I wouldn't get my feelings hurt because they prayed in school. The First Amendment is about congressional laws - not school rules or conduct because school conduct is determined by the leaders, not the government. Accept that, damn.
"Pray at church, not school." Intolerance, once again.
ColibriAnna08 10 months ago
@ColibriAnna08 "Intolerance, once again."
I do not tolerate lying to students in schools and neither should you.. That, I can assure you, is what constitutes my intolerance. If religious folks want to study fairytales, myths and ancient holy books, that is fine in church but not in a government funded institution such as a public school. Oh ya, sporting a fish emblem with legs is just promoting the truth. I forgot to address that earlier point you posted. It doesn't promote atheism whatsoever.
saxmanchiro 10 months ago
@saxmanchiro Ha! Because YOU don't believe it doesn't mean it's lying. If you honestly think we should only teach students what you think is real, then you are one egotistical ass. This post proves that you don't give a damn about religious freedom, what's best for kids, or Hindus and Muslims. You just care about atheism and keeping students from being taught anything you don't want to believe. Sir, you are the liar here, pretending to be for religious rights when you are only for your agenda.
ColibriAnna08 10 months ago
@ColibriAnna08 Let's see. So far, I have been civil with you. Your last few posts have been personal with insultive comments and name-calling("egotistical ass" and "bigot" and "liar"). I am done here.
saxmanchiro 10 months ago
@saxmanchiro Nice try. The character assassination in the conversation began when you when, rather than understand where I was coming from and prefering to argue endlessly, said the statement "it doesn't matter" "showed your true colors". If you don't want someone to make comments about the ugly personality your present to them, then don't be the first to turn the debate on a personal level. And if you do, don't throw your hands up and say you're done when it's your fault.
ColibriAnna08 10 months ago
(cont.) You yourself said promoting religion in schools violates the Constitution, but promoting atheism is just promoting the truth. That's called a double standard, dear, and it doesn't fly. That's not how our Constitution works. Rather than wanting schools and students to conform to your beliefs and the government to sanitize any mention of god to suit you, why don't you accept religious teachings and people and stop trying to force it out of the world, you bigot.
ColibriAnna08 10 months ago
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saxmanchiro 10 months ago
(cont.) And I see you ignored the last part of my argument. Why should anyone get offended when encountering beliefs different from their own? Isn't that intolerance? The fact is, eliminating any mention or sentiment for religion in school would only prevent students from learning about and accepting other people's faith. This is all about atheists not wanting to hear about religion out of a bias dislike for it. It's about their agenda and their lack of tolerance for people of faith. The end!
ColibriAnna08 10 months ago
@ColibriAnna08 Evolution and athiesm are not one in the same. There is a fringe group of athiests who actually beleivein a form of creationism, but rather than beleive a god did it they beleive an alien civilization created all life. Your comment of a banner showing a fish with legs being an advert for athiesm is fucking moronic.
NUTCASE71733 4 months ago
I'm not talking about just A FISH. The Ichthys fish is an ancient symbol of Christianity, and this use of it with evolving legs is satire of Christianity. Obviously, you read my comment with ignorant of what an Ichthys fish actually is. You might want to understand my arguments before you reply to them - least you embarrass yourself.
ColibriAnna08 4 months ago
@ColibriAnna08
I'm aware of what the Icthys fish is moron. I never even adressed that point in my post as such. If you don't want me commenting, don't make a fallicious statement like Evolution=Athiesm. Anyone will tell you it's not true.
NUTCASE71733 4 months ago 2
@NUTCASE71733 Calling me a moron does not negate your point, nor does repeating it a second time prove I am. I think you are dead full of straw-men. I never claimed Atheism = Evolution, and so far you through all your accusations you have been unable to prove I did. You can comment as much as you like as long as you bring a intellectual discussion to the table rather than nonsensical accusations.
Satirical use of a Christian symbol is an Atheist sentiment. It's not Evolution.
ColibriAnna08 4 months ago
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this is why god wahnts to end thw wrlod he thold me and is telo u so u better shut the fuxk up and reag a dibel!
BlueNote4003 2 years ago
this is extremely ignorant and scares the hell out of me when people like you have access to nukes.
azumaninjay 2 years ago 2
@azumaninjay yeah we sure do and what the chosen people of christian america need to use the bombs to kick start the coming of jesus so he can get rid of all the evil sinners like you!
BlueNote4003 2 years ago
you would have to use a bomb to do it. you would stand no chance in actual combat.
its really a cowards way to do it. -.-
azumaninjay 2 years ago 3
@BlueNote4003 Go and grab a gun or knife and then Kill yourself
The you'll leave us logical people and meet JEBUS
t3rr411 2 years ago 3
I studied in a Metodist School, it was horrible, they made us pray every morning, also there was a class called "christian religion" and we had to study the bible and other stuff ... that was so boring
Danzaiver01 2 years ago 11
At my school we have a 'Youth for Christ' club, before schools sometimes they do a 'national prayer' and the school administrative mentioned it at LEAST 4 times during the day about it, yet they do not mention any other clubs when they have events. And why don't we have a Agnostic group then? lol think I might make one,
Elodee123 2 years ago 5
In this country, it really takes courage and determination to start such a group especially in school. I would admire you if you start one
whitespideralex 2 years ago
I've talked to a couple teachers, but they're a little hesitant because of the rep that they will most likely get. They don't want it to effect their jobs. If it was the other way around and we were christian and made one, we would all get good rep, etc. This sucks, lol
Elodee123 2 years ago
everyone should be free to make there own choice when it comes to asking the questions, why are we here and whats the point............ school is not a place for that, school is a place where wisdom is passed down,..things that have been learned from trial and error...."the scientific method"
TaNgLeD2121 2 years ago
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ill pray if i want to you fascist
american277 2 years ago
of course you shall sir, according to ammendment 1 of the US constitution you have a freedom of religion...There is a time and a place for prayer, public school isn't it! Also, no mention of christianity or god at all throughout the constitution...
In 1797 the treaty of tripoli stated "The Government of the United States of America Is Not, in Any Sense, Founded on the Christian Religion..." and clearly represented the feelings of the Founding Fathers 10 years after USA government formation.
pompeyblues 2 years ago 3
As long as someone else doesn't get in trouble for not praying, then it should be fine. I on the other hand got in trouble for not praying at my school during a pep rally.
MistressDracona 2 years ago
Well this is the problem, there doesn't seem to be a balance. You either get in trouble for praying AT ALL even if it didn't interrupt lessons/games, while in another place you would get in trouble for trying to keep prayer a personal thing and not have it interrupt lessons.
It cheeses me off big time when I see things like this.
TurboDally 2 years ago
When I was in high school they had morning religion meetings held by the football coach and basketball coach and those who attended were basically guaranteed way more play time and such. It was so unfair I ended up starting to attend the meetings with a couple friends who also noticed this just to get play time. It was like religious discrimination. All of the people were different kinds of christians, catholics, baptists so on.
I bet it still happens all the time. practice at church or home
foswell 2 years ago
What is annoying to me is "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the money we are forced to use. This is in your face all the time, it's bullshit, take it off the money!
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 2 years ago 35
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i could care less about the in god we trust on the money. its just a phrase, not a policy.
mrbananas8 2 years ago
Phrases like "in god we trust" on our money only allow religious people to insist that this is a christian nation and atheists are all wrong.
They're just words but they have no place in modern society.
VesusSheist 2 years ago 3
@mrbananas8 - A phrase we don't need.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS
Yes, I agree. And poor Susan B. Antony, an outspoken atheist, has to sit there looking at this crap on her coin. Freedom from religion is freedom from it.
4me2cclearly 1 year ago
@4me2cclearly
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4me2cclearly 1 year ago
@4me2cclearly - Yes, I agree...fear during the Cold War era is what caused the "IN GOD WE TRUST" to be put on the money in the first place...we aren't in that mindset now, get rid of it...but then you have the issue of the Federal Reserve, which isn't a government agency, issuing the money we use, that's another scam.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Should come to England, we have Darwin on our money =D
RockJosiah 1 year ago
@RockJosiah Damn English, keeping all the good faces to themselves...
XD
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
@UnderlordZ They have awful teeth and are stereotyped as arrogant.
rangergxi 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Exactly. It'd be like putting "In Allah we trust" on the money. The Christians wouldn't be too happy about that.
RockBanned 1 year ago
@RockBanned - I agree, I'm sure the Xians wouldn't like that a bit.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS The English are lucky, they get Darwin on their money...
radafat 1 year ago 14
@radafat Yeah we do! Wooo-hooo! ;)
Jude2Mahoney 1 year ago
@radafat
legal tender money with a counterfit writer.
StLukey7 1 year ago
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@radafat "The English are lucky, they get Darwin on their money..."
Unfortunately, It is also a legal requirement to have a daily act of collective worship in all state schools in England and the overwhelming proportion of those state/public school have some degree of religion taught as fact (not classes in comparative religion) as part of the curriculum. In most cases, this is christian but in many inner city schools, it is entirely Muslim.
We need separation of church & state desperately.
baldieman64 1 month ago
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if you dont like our christian heritage...go to some country where there are no Christians....like iran and sudan or sri lanka
StLukey7 1 year ago
@StLukey7 - Putting any reference to a god on money is stupid, the only reason it's on the US currencey is because of fear during the Cold War era. Why not IN EACH OTHER WE TRUST, you know, something real.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS There's always the secularist silent protest: cross it out with black ink. I use a Sharpie. >:)
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
@UnderlordZ - Good idea.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
@UnderlordZ Does the money keep it's value?
rangergxi 1 year ago
@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Gore Videl has called this unconstitutional and I can't personally think of one way it is not.
trocknickel 1 year ago
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Our public scools are designed for one perpose in mind only: to breed gays. Since gays cannot reproduce, liberal teechers must turn non-gays into gays, and they do it in the scools wile our childrens are still young. Being the smart Christian conservutive that I am, I catched on to this deevius plan and pulled my 3 young boys from the communist public scools. From now on, they will be home-scooled only.
Wanda4DecentValues 2 years ago
You have prayer in school, just not teacher/faculty lead prayer. I'm a Nahua Reconstructionist, someone who worships the Aztec gods, and if someone tried to force me to pray to a god I don't worship, I would punch them in the face, and if I was praying to Huitzilopochtli or Xipe Totec and someone tried to make me stop, I would punch them in their face. You do your thing and let me do mine.
TheLastMexicatl 2 years ago 2
From what I was able to pull up after a 15-second trip to Wikipedia, "punched in the face" would be the least of my worries when encountering a worshiper of Huitzilopochtli. I'm going to go ahead and say I'm adamantly opposed to any belief system that involves the ripping out of still-beating human hearts, followed by ritual cannibalism. Not saying that you embrace the full ritual, but if you do, damn skippy I'd try to stop you. It would be comforting if you went on record as being a "moderate."
donquickoats 2 years ago
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TheLastMexicatl 2 years ago
I confess a certain relief in the knowledge that your gods can be propitiated with more mundane offerings than warm, quivering human cardiac muscle. I do suspect that "pretty stones" or "brightly colored feathers" must seem to them a poor substitute. The chocolate, though, (who doesn't like a good Hershey's bar?) is probably a bit closer to the mark.
Christ. The day I get into a debate regarding the morality of human sacrifice, voluntary or otherwise, is the day I quit YouTube.
donquickoats 2 years ago
A "good Hershey bar" is a good thing to offer, but the gods generally preffer dark chocolate. Pretty stones and feathers aren't exactly substitutes, the Aztec offered them when blood or sacrifice wasn't required. Blood is still their preffered offering though. You don't have to agree with me about the human sacrifice issue, I know that my personal opinion on the subject is considered very radical by most of the world. Most would simply assume I'm a lunatic for saying I think it should be legal.
TheLastMexicatl 2 years ago
Atheists FTW!!
ArrogantAtheist 2 years ago 4
We are all evolved from a primordial ooze. Sort of a greenish colored ooze. I see plenty of evidence right here of some primordial ooze.
You think you think, therefore you think you are.
TAMARLANE 2 years ago
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P.S. Evolution is as fake as pro wrestling.
Also, I read a biology book called "Not by Chance" which disproved Darwinism.
Acronym77 2 years ago
Sick you read a book.
Congratulations!
Now go do some biological studies, examinations, and perhaps publish data that would shock the entirety of the scientific community. For if you were to do this then you would have actually contributed to something. I mean what gives you authority, some random guy on youtube, over the entire scientific community which spans generations, countries and beliefs on such a boldly claimed assertion?
The4thLeveler 2 years ago 4
P.S. Creationism is as fake as pro wrestling.
Also, I read a book called "By Chance" which disproved creationism.
Khronofox 2 years ago
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T.R.A.V.I.S. T.H.E. C.H.I.M.P.A.N.Z.E.E. = "Teachers Reveal A Violently Intolerant Side Then Hearing Evolution Contradicted; However, Individuals Making Points Against Neo-Darwinism Zap Evolution Eventually"
Acronym77 2 years ago
The problem with that is, all science points towards evolution. That's why 99.98% of all biologists accept common descent and natural selection. Not to mention the mountains of taxonomical, genetic, and paleontological data.
Read a freakin' biology book.
DietBroccoli 2 years ago 6
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I.T.'S. T.I.M.E. F.O.R. T.H.A.T. N.A.T.U.R.E. B.O.Y. R.I.C. F.L.A.I.R. H.E.R.E. ! "If The 'Science' Textbook Insists Mankind 'Evolved' From Ongoing Randomness/Time/Hyle, Ask Teacher: "Now Are Textbooks Ultimately Random Evolutionary By-products Of Yet Random Ideas Coming From Luck-produced Authors In Random House Editors Randomly Edited?"
Hyle is matter. Evolutionists are hylotheists, along with worshipping Time/chance/matter and change.
Ric Flair is a retired pro wrestler
Acronym77 2 years ago
You truly are an idiot, aren't you?
Evolution has never been disproved. If it had, 99.98% of all biologists wouldn't still accept it. Want me to put that into perspective? There are 4 times as many historians who are holocaust deniers.
We do not believe is pantheism. Most of us don't at least. The atheist evolutionists do not believe in any god or worship anything. Such an assertion is childish.
Scientific text is not made my random authors, you may as well argue against chemistry.
DietBroccoli 2 years ago 5
Public Schools should accomodate what a religion REQUIRES, nothing more is asked. Muslims are REQUIRED to pray at certain times during the day. It's a religious OBLIGATION, not a preach to others and not forcing others to follow them, only accomodating their NEEDS. Prayer is an obligation. If other religions have such OBLIGATIONS, they should be accommodated.
13mysteryx 2 years ago
What about blood sacrifice or sexual intercourse?
kokobaboko 2 years ago
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13mysteryx 2 years ago
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Science only proves there is a creator. Stem-cells proved the story of God creating Eve from a rib. Also the story of Jonah has been proven possible when a man fell off a ship in the same sea and lived in the belly of a fish back in the 50's
modernbutler1 2 years ago
lmao off, troll? I hope.
fauyd 2 years ago
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Once your on the other side there is no turning back, repent and live right. Those who have had near death experience explain horrifying realities of hell. Its forever torment seperation from God.
modernbutler1 2 years ago
I want all religion destroyed. Fuck these assholes.
GTRrocker666 2 years ago
finally someone saying it like it is
amitrayit1990 2 years ago
Hell yeah. Don't let these assholes convince you otherwise. Historically Christians have done fucked up things to free thinkers (torture and killed) and have spread their lies by the edge of a sword. The reason why there are so many Christians now is because anyone that spoke out against the church or believed in anything else were killed, not because they are the "right" religion. Fuck these pious simple-minded phonies.
GTRrocker666 2 years ago
Why? are christians hurting you? they aren't making you believe anything, they simply have their rights to believe whatever they want just like you do... You sound way more offensive then they do.
segerocker 2 years ago
First of all, historically Christians labeled people that spoke out against the church like me as heretics and then burned them at the stake. I wouldn't be doing all those people justice if I didn't openly state what I believe. I could care less about if it hurts your feelings. Why should your beliefs be spoken and not mine? Also gays aren't allowed to marry because of religion. Use your own philosophy and let them marry then. Thought not
GTRrocker666 2 years ago
It doesn't hurt my feelings, I simply believe it is morally wrong since they aren't directly hurting you in any way. I have christian friends that are %100 for gay marriage, I know some that arent, but would still love someone who is.
segerocker 2 years ago
They also would not label you as a heretic or stereotype you, they simply believe in God, but, who is being the judgemental one, you or them? so, why should gay marriage be accepted, but not religion. Neither are hurting you anyway. Of course you can openly state what you believe and I am in no way preventing you from that, I am trying to help you think freely which I admit, Christians generally have a lack of doing, but does that make it wrong? for the record, I am an Agnostic, not christian.
segerocker 2 years ago
Well Dr Tiller, the abortion doctor who saved hundreds (probably thousands) of woman's lives, who was killed by a christian fundamentalist.
There is religion hurting someone and the repercussions will devastate thousands of women's lives.
Thanat0s67 2 years ago
and I am not at all promoting that... and the bible says not to kill anyways... so that person is contradicting thier own beliefs by killing. So that person is just stupid, how is that even a good arguement since they just disobeyed their beliefs by doing that?
segerocker 2 years ago