hi10spro I love the fact that you put post bold commentry like this. Good on you. At my level the action in doubles is so fast that inevitably people get hit. In my experience it's very unlikely to be deliberate and is obvious if it is. Retaliation is not the only response. If you retaliate you are showing your vulnerability.
Once during a doubles match, my opponent lost a point and, in anger, smashed a ball as hard as he could and mis-hit it and hit me right in the back of the neck at full pace. For some reason it didnt' hurt, fortunately. I just turned around and looked at him and he was so mortified by what he had done that I didn't need to say anything. Mind you, had it really hurt...
that is a SAD/funny story...sorry. i once played with a partner who targeted the returning opponent's partner with his serve. it was the most horrific thing I ever witnessed, and i was embarrassed to be on that court with him...we never played together again...
this is not being unfair. it is bad. but to hit someone, it's really hard to do. I mean really, if they're paying attention to you, try and peg someone, they're going to react and won't get hit. it's tennis--what if I'm aiming at a spot on the court, and the person gets in the way.
this is sports--and payback is a part of sports--bean ball in baseball, big hits in hockey, they're legal, but are they bad...
philosophy works in the classroom, but this the real world
"philosophy works in the classroom, but this the real world "
It stays as logical as it was when you get out of your room. The point is that if you don't follow your affirmation you are consciously and knowingly doing something bad.
Giving a choice, you must take the best and being in contradiction with a loigcal answer means you choose the worst pick willingly. And, it is feature to madness to willingly be wrong.
Philosophy is meant to make you choose and understand, not to get a grade.
Philosophy works in the classroom, but if you're playing Mixed doubles, and they're pounding your partner off the return, off the first volley, off the overhead, and off the groundstroke. And you chose the higher ground--and do nothing.
you will end up losing and in the real world of life, your partner will not want to play with you because you don't defend her. thus, you lose the match, lose your partner, and lose face.
you will be viewed as someone who doesn't care. this is sports :D
Does it make you lesser great in any dimension, for that you are viewed as the worst man? No. it's not about you look, but how are which define your state.
You said it yourself:
"play with honor"
Where is honor in avenging yourself when you know it to be wrong?
No greatness is grant from evilness as beauty stand in opposition to ugliness.
Be a gentleman and aim the court, not the opponents, no matter how bad they are.
I will not do that. Nor do I condone unsportsmanlike conduct. I will default you if you cheat, play with poor sportsmanship, or make yourself look bad. that is a standing doctrine in my book--if you want me to coach you.
@dchijp yeah, but socially...tennis is a very social game so the setting has to be appropriate... and if you coach kids, it's really important to differentiate the line--i once had a girl bean another girl in the forehead on two consecutive points... it was kind of sad... it was unnecessary.
Nothing excuses a bad action. Nothing, never, in any circumstance.
Pretty frustrating? You are reacting exactly how I said you would. You think it is cowardise that makes one act as I told you to. But, I'd told you it's actually the opposite.
An explanation is worthless if the only answer you have is to not consider logic.
GueorguiJoukov. There is a competitive perspective and a philosophical perspective. I see what you're saying and concur it's wrong. The sports perspective is what I coach. If you let the players get intimidated, they will lose. I don't coach players to lose, nor do I coach players to do bad things, BUT I will warn them of what happens in matches--this happens all the time in matches--you have people that enjoy being jerks..
so here's a better question, what would you do? or the cure?
yeah it is, but you know how sometimes, there's a pop up and really nothing you can do? I mean the victim, while the hitter has the whole court--left right etc. then it's blatant and you're being abusive--that's a flagrant foul, a bean ball high and in, that's a clipping in football, it's just a low blow and normally, there will be payback. BUT I UNDERSTAND sometimes you go up and whack it and it goes where you don't want it to go...
If they leave themselves open there shouldn't be any reason to not laser it at their ankles and make them dance. Isn't it their fault if they lay up a softy while you're standing 15ft away?
Step into a goal in Lacrosse or take a baseball to the elbow and see if a tennis ball registers on any "danger" meter. Sorry dude, no sympathy here, the spot you occupy isn't a magically invalid place to hit the ball. Just get your racket in front of your face and remember to not serve up meat like that.
ankles is one, chest is another. I just think it shouldn't be excessive. the crap thing is this wasn't me...it was my partner... sigh, but that's just the way it is sometimes...
Just to be clear, I'm not "dogpiling," I just think the the definition of "uncalled for" in competitive sport is too subjective to pursue retaliation. That would mean that you knew your opponent didn't err in his swing and pull it a bit too high. I can't think of any reason why a person would intend to hit the ball into the same space where a racket already was waiting, is all.
it's tough. I have good hands and have dug some balls in the past, so IF I PLAYED MYSELF, I would hit it as hard as possible to put the ball down. Now when you do that, you're going to miss your target sooo it's understandable
There's nothing wrong with what he did. He made the right play going at you forcing you to either move out of the way or make a difficult shot. It's no big deal. If someone retaliated against me after I hit that shot we would have some serious problems and words.
people are taking this to extremes--my coaching philosophy on this touchy issue is double-edged--you want to promote sportsmanship but you want to prepare your students for hostile, team events--normally it's team events that bring this out. this is tennis. if you get hit, you get hit, but don't lie down and get pummeled. that is my message. do not teach children/students to target other children/students. that is the wrong message.
but you must admit--say it's mixed and they're going off on your partner... or say it's just blatant... it does make a difference in the match--course, it does turn things into something ugly--boys' matches are quick to turn ugly while girls' matches...i never ever really seen anyone peg another girl.. OH once...damn...one of my girls cold cocked a girl with a volley...then, she did it again... i was kind of shocked...
Very good points here, a few times my opponent wasn't thinking about the match, actually he was thinking about hitting me, though he failed in doing that :P I did it back to him once, then it stopped. But in a practice there is no need in doing the same thing back, Maybe that guy was unexperienced, or they would hit the same ball when you aren't standing there, but this time it wasn't ment to get to you.
Did he start to raise his left arm to "appologize"? It looks like he may have, but the video is cut off. He may have hit closer to you than he planned, but your points are well-taken.
i think he did. I forget. I didn't take it personal. it's just tennis, and to be fair, they know I can get alot of balls back around me, so they have to up the ante when it comes my way... bummers
hi10spro I love the fact that you put post bold commentry like this. Good on you. At my level the action in doubles is so fast that inevitably people get hit. In my experience it's very unlikely to be deliberate and is obvious if it is. Retaliation is not the only response. If you retaliate you are showing your vulnerability.
Snaurt 2 years ago
it is true that when people do it on purpose, you can tell. And I think that's an important distinction. this is a very very controversial topic...
hi10spro 2 years ago
Once during a doubles match, my opponent lost a point and, in anger, smashed a ball as hard as he could and mis-hit it and hit me right in the back of the neck at full pace. For some reason it didnt' hurt, fortunately. I just turned around and looked at him and he was so mortified by what he had done that I didn't need to say anything. Mind you, had it really hurt...
Snaurt 2 years ago
that is a SAD/funny story...sorry. i once played with a partner who targeted the returning opponent's partner with his serve. it was the most horrific thing I ever witnessed, and i was embarrassed to be on that court with him...we never played together again...
hi10spro 2 years ago
You know, Socrates(Plato's character) made a split between things on single point. Ansering A or B, you will never be able to agree with the other.
This was on whether or not unfairness is bad.
Your answer on this will lead inevitably to a conclusion on this question: Does suffering legitimate a bad action?
And up to what I understand, being unfair is being bad and therefore nothing excuses a bad action. Sending back an attack is therefore excluded.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
this is not being unfair. it is bad. but to hit someone, it's really hard to do. I mean really, if they're paying attention to you, try and peg someone, they're going to react and won't get hit. it's tennis--what if I'm aiming at a spot on the court, and the person gets in the way.
this is sports--and payback is a part of sports--bean ball in baseball, big hits in hockey, they're legal, but are they bad...
philosophy works in the classroom, but this the real world
hi10spro 2 years ago
"philosophy works in the classroom, but this the real world "
It stays as logical as it was when you get out of your room. The point is that if you don't follow your affirmation you are consciously and knowingly doing something bad.
Giving a choice, you must take the best and being in contradiction with a loigcal answer means you choose the worst pick willingly. And, it is feature to madness to willingly be wrong.
Philosophy is meant to make you choose and understand, not to get a grade.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
Philosophy works in the classroom, but if you're playing Mixed doubles, and they're pounding your partner off the return, off the first volley, off the overhead, and off the groundstroke. And you chose the higher ground--and do nothing.
you will end up losing and in the real world of life, your partner will not want to play with you because you don't defend her. thus, you lose the match, lose your partner, and lose face.
you will be viewed as someone who doesn't care. this is sports :D
hi10spro 2 years ago
"you will be viewed as someone who doesn't care."
Does it make you lesser great in any dimension, for that you are viewed as the worst man? No. it's not about you look, but how are which define your state.
You said it yourself:
"play with honor"
Where is honor in avenging yourself when you know it to be wrong?
No greatness is grant from evilness as beauty stand in opposition to ugliness.
Be a gentleman and aim the court, not the opponents, no matter how bad they are.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
I have never told my kids to aim at people.
I will not do that. Nor do I condone unsportsmanlike conduct. I will default you if you cheat, play with poor sportsmanship, or make yourself look bad. that is a standing doctrine in my book--if you want me to coach you.
just to set the record straight.
hi10spro 2 years ago
@hi10spro dude, its a tennis ball. you want to win? aim for someone just like this guy did. he got the point right? is it a legal move? then do it.
dchijp 9 months ago
@dchijp yeah, but socially...tennis is a very social game so the setting has to be appropriate... and if you coach kids, it's really important to differentiate the line--i once had a girl bean another girl in the forehead on two consecutive points... it was kind of sad... it was unnecessary.
hi10spro 9 months ago
Nothing excuses a bad action. Nothing, never, in any circumstance.
Pretty frustrating? You are reacting exactly how I said you would. You think it is cowardise that makes one act as I told you to. But, I'd told you it's actually the opposite.
An explanation is worthless if the only answer you have is to not consider logic.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
GueorguiJoukov. There is a competitive perspective and a philosophical perspective. I see what you're saying and concur it's wrong. The sports perspective is what I coach. If you let the players get intimidated, they will lose. I don't coach players to lose, nor do I coach players to do bad things, BUT I will warn them of what happens in matches--this happens all the time in matches--you have people that enjoy being jerks..
so here's a better question, what would you do? or the cure?
hi10spro 2 years ago
simply when you play don't be a jerk. use your head. and play with honor.
hi10spro 2 years ago
My overhead smashes always go to the same place, in practice I have hit a few ppl but always in the same spot. I apologize profusely.
However, I don't want to hit softly in practice and then do it in a match,you know?
Don't you think ppl should know that it's part of tennis. When someone comes at the net like that I back up :|
steve20032 2 years ago
yeah it is, but you know how sometimes, there's a pop up and really nothing you can do? I mean the victim, while the hitter has the whole court--left right etc. then it's blatant and you're being abusive--that's a flagrant foul, a bean ball high and in, that's a clipping in football, it's just a low blow and normally, there will be payback. BUT I UNDERSTAND sometimes you go up and whack it and it goes where you don't want it to go...
hi10spro 2 years ago
he obviously apologised after the point, why are you trying to nail your ''freind'' in a practise match?
LeweLeweLewe 2 years ago
i didnt. i could have but i wasnt even trying. thats my point
hi10spro 2 years ago
If they leave themselves open there shouldn't be any reason to not laser it at their ankles and make them dance. Isn't it their fault if they lay up a softy while you're standing 15ft away?
Step into a goal in Lacrosse or take a baseball to the elbow and see if a tennis ball registers on any "danger" meter. Sorry dude, no sympathy here, the spot you occupy isn't a magically invalid place to hit the ball. Just get your racket in front of your face and remember to not serve up meat like that.
nelsonguise 2 years ago
ankles is one, chest is another. I just think it shouldn't be excessive. the crap thing is this wasn't me...it was my partner... sigh, but that's just the way it is sometimes...
hi10spro 2 years ago
Just to be clear, I'm not "dogpiling," I just think the the definition of "uncalled for" in competitive sport is too subjective to pursue retaliation. That would mean that you knew your opponent didn't err in his swing and pull it a bit too high. I can't think of any reason why a person would intend to hit the ball into the same space where a racket already was waiting, is all.
nelsonguise 2 years ago
it's tough. I have good hands and have dug some balls in the past, so IF I PLAYED MYSELF, I would hit it as hard as possible to put the ball down. Now when you do that, you're going to miss your target sooo it's understandable
hi10spro 2 years ago
wow, that was pretty random, man
blakhawkeace13 2 years ago
people feel pretty strongly about this video... shocking...
hi10spro 2 years ago
There's nothing wrong with what he did. He made the right play going at you forcing you to either move out of the way or make a difficult shot. It's no big deal. If someone retaliated against me after I hit that shot we would have some serious problems and words.
TheArithrix 2 years ago
There are some guys with serious atitude problems...
alkatifa04 2 years ago
wow.. this makes me want to start playin...
B1azinAngel 2 years ago
AHHA If that ball hit me, it would have hurt... ahhah
hi10spro 2 years ago
people are taking this to extremes--my coaching philosophy on this touchy issue is double-edged--you want to promote sportsmanship but you want to prepare your students for hostile, team events--normally it's team events that bring this out. this is tennis. if you get hit, you get hit, but don't lie down and get pummeled. that is my message. do not teach children/students to target other children/students. that is the wrong message.
hi10spro 2 years ago
what a terrible advice for a coach... NEVER RETALIATE or you will get caught in a game you don't want to be in...
But i understand if in the next 2 or 3 points an opportunity comes, if not, just forget it...
plstrom 2 years ago
but you must admit--say it's mixed and they're going off on your partner... or say it's just blatant... it does make a difference in the match--course, it does turn things into something ugly--boys' matches are quick to turn ugly while girls' matches...i never ever really seen anyone peg another girl.. OH once...damn...one of my girls cold cocked a girl with a volley...then, she did it again... i was kind of shocked...
hi10spro 2 years ago
Very good points here, a few times my opponent wasn't thinking about the match, actually he was thinking about hitting me, though he failed in doing that :P I did it back to him once, then it stopped. But in a practice there is no need in doing the same thing back, Maybe that guy was unexperienced, or they would hit the same ball when you aren't standing there, but this time it wasn't ment to get to you.
coria100 2 years ago
I don't think he meant anything by it. He played the point aggressively and went for your toes.
tennis66 2 years ago
yeah. I didn't think it was a big deal. BUT if you watch the video, it's kind of high...
hi10spro 2 years ago
Did he start to raise his left arm to "appologize"? It looks like he may have, but the video is cut off. He may have hit closer to you than he planned, but your points are well-taken.
jeffrx 2 years ago
i think he did. I forget. I didn't take it personal. it's just tennis, and to be fair, they know I can get alot of balls back around me, so they have to up the ante when it comes my way... bummers
hi10spro 2 years ago
I think that you are spot on.
johnpettitt 2 years ago
funny yeah, these rules are universal...
hi10spro 2 years ago