Any kids who got AIDS from being raped in prison would be doing their country a great service by fucking this stupid bitch judge up the ass and sharing the Gay Identity religious cult's only contribution to America with her. If you got AIDS you'll get free meds in prison and don't really have anything left to lose. Think about it.
these activist pig judges are trying to tear down this military and this nation, and it makes me fucking sick to my stomach. the military will not stand for this shit, i can assure you.
To be able to serve in the military is NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!
Being gay and screaming outloud in the military subsequently isnt a "right ether"... neither are many things. Hell, being in the military you realize you are no longer in a democracy, you HAVE no democracy, they own your ass!
Any reporter ever serve in the militaty to actually give an intelligent opionion? NOPE !!
More to the point, NO ONE CARES IF YOUR GAY OR NOT, SO STFU if youre serving!
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo i personally think you are a troll, again, why even bring up bestiality. a common ploy of homophobes is to use slippy slope and red herring arguments like 'can we all marry our dogs' etc....
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo why are you babbling on about sex with animals, whats that got to do with DADT?? Of course you dont have sex with your own dog, you are just trying to make it seem like gay relationships are wrong and you are merely trying to invoke an 'ikky' reaction from everybody by suggesting that somehow sex with a dog is equivalent to gay sex. stop trolling and present a valid argument for your position.
Sure it is. The reason I know the spam filter excuse is BS is because you came back to the thread to see what I may have posted. 1 Liar clearly busted.
The internet is not in short supply of pseudo-intellects, as we have seen. Anybody take bets on another reply?
@ApostolicOutpost "Will he reply yet again? The "be right" compulsion is very strong in this one. Not to mention proving himself to be dishonest."
OK child... No more replies. I've just finishes setting up my spam filter to filter out your comments and videos. I won't be receiving any more notifications of your crap. This is the last you'll hear of me, you insane and dangerous fundamentalist whacko. Goodbye.
The ironic thing, about my side of this debate, is that I am an atheist. I came to the table of history with no bias of agenda, in religion or politic, and discovered that at the heart of our founding is Judeo-Christian Morality. I bet you believe we took our queues from the Albany Accords and the Iroquois Confederacy as well...;)
Don't patronize me by telling me what I need to do. My arguments have been based on historic fact, moral tradition, and legal logic. Your statements are emotional blathering from some minor, relativistic, non-historic, pseudo-ethic. This country has governing ethics that stand on thousands of years of philosophical/religious moral tradition. While your ideas are far off in some Marxist, Platonic Utopia that lives only in your social-progressive imagination. You did a great job; losing this argu
My point about polygamy is that it is illegal. It has no supposed basis for illegality in your relative sense of ethic, so you agree it should be legal? You should include polygamy in your argument, with gays, for the "right" to marry, if it has no basis for perceived deception, right?
The legality of marriage is based on moral tradition in the Judeo-Christian ethic, not some new found Marxist sense of state fairness.
If you don't think the Constitution is based on Religious morality, you have not read extensively about the founding of the country. If you are actually telling me that there existed a sense of humanism that espoused freedom of choice in sexual orientations at the time of the founding, you have no grasp on historic reality.
I don't need a specific ethical reason. As a matter of historic morality, gays have been denied the right to marry. In fact, bigamy is historically more moral than homosexuality. It also has science in it's corner. My ethics are based on the Judeo-Christian ethic this country was founded on. Your sexual orientation ethics are based on a newer secular socialist-progressive agenda. If you have a problem with the majority of the country's stance or it's founding, then what should you and this judg
Once again, your logic fails because race is very different than sexual orientation. I keep a version of the Constitution on my iPhone and am intimate with it. I used to think like you and was ruled by some indoctrinated emotional sense of fairness. What I would call social-progressive victim syndrome, but then after spending my life reading the actual source material, instead of listening to people interpretations, I realized social-progressives have been twisting the syntax of the Constitutio
Your remarks, about dishonesty, are based on your intimate knowledge of bigamists? You are the only dishonest one here. You have no idea, who as a bigamist, is dishonest? I could undercut your claim that gay people are honest using your lack of logic. I am sure that there are honest loving bigamists, who if your version of pursuit of happiness was followed, would jump at the chance to be married. You are the one who is exclusionary, without evidence, to prove your claims about bigamists.
The truth is that this is all about fundamentally shifting power from one group of people to another. Your arguments are pieces of propaganda to persuade people who are ignorant of the whole picture to not think about what is but only to empathize with a conjured miscarriage of justice, when there is none. Homosexuals and Bigamists have been denied the traditions of marriage because this country is founded on Christian morality, and not Islam, Shinto, or any other religion. That is why the Cons
Don't put them in the same category. Bigamy is marriage to more than one partner, and is usually done on the basis of deception (with some exceptions) of one of the married partners. Homosexuality does not imply deception of ANY of the sexual partners involved.
@FSAthe1st It is obvious that you let your ideology get in the way of understanding the founding fathers, as well as the Constitution. Bigamy is illegal because it is considered immoral in the Christian faith. The same as homosexuality. I am not saying either one is wrong or not. I am saying that you denying the Laws of this country have nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian ethic is revisionist.
@dudeitskeara Three months ago I replied to your last comment. What took you so long? Did you need to go look up arguments you could use against me? Such as these pathetic excuses you've just come up with?
"Bigamy is illegal because it is considered immoral in the Christian faith."
So what? Bigamy is also illegal in the UK, a traditionally CHRISTIAN country that the AMERICANS sought to gain INDEPENDENCE from in the FIRST place. How does that in ANY way make it related to homosexuality?
No, the two are not comparable. Just because your fook of fables and myths says something is wrong doesn't mean we should treat it as though it is. If there IS something wrong with a given activity it will be for SECULAR reasons that affect REAL and LIVING people here in REALITY, NOT because of some book you've read that says it's against some magical deity's rules.
@dudeitskeara " I am saying that you denying the Laws of this country have nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian ethic is revisionist."
And I am saying that to deny the SECULAR roots of the US Constitution AND the BILL OF RIGHTS is in itself revisionist. What you've just done is engage in an act of Psychological Projection. It's not clever, you know, so don't do it.
Science has no bearing on this discussion. Science has not found a gay/lesbian gene and the science is unknown and unproven. Law is about morality not science. Stealing is proven in behavioral science to actually be an important part of survival that is amazingly successful, but as a cultured society we do not legalize it because it scientifically is a provable success...
@dudeitskeara "Science has not found a gay/lesbian gene and the science is unknown and unproven."
I never said it did. I said there is scientific basis for the possibility that homosexuality is not a choice as some people imply it is. Don't twist my words.
"Law is about morality not science."
And on what ETHICAL grounds do you deny gay people the right to marry the people they love?
Marriage has never included traditionally a gay couple. It is a sanctified ceremony that goes beyond our present History. Bigamists have a much better argument for being allowed to marry than gay/lesbian.
@dudeitskeara "Marriage has never included traditionally a gay couple."
Tradition be damned. Black people never used to have the right to marry white people, THAT used to be tradition. That was discriminatory too. Want to argue that they shouldn't inter-marry today?
@dudeitskeara "Are you bigoted against polygamy or bigamy? Do you think that should be legal?"
Bigamy, yes, as it usually implies dishonesty of at least one of the married partners. Polygamy, no, especially if all of the people involved in the relationship are made aware of exactly what is going on and they all agree to it. Your point?
Furthermore, the judge will be overturned because the services are exempt from mandate concerning the compelling of information particularly in times of war and trouble. The other aspect of the Vth Amendment that precludes the policy as Constitutional, is that it doesn't compel the person to divulge information about their sexuality and uses gathered evidence or the person's freely given statement. It actually is the opposite of compulsion which is why it was written so. There is no freedom wit
I think the point is best served when looking at bigamy or polygamy. It is still viewed, unlike homosexuality, by many cultures as a norm of societies, and has been for as long as heterosexuality, and yet no one contests that it is not unconstitutional to ban it in the United States. If you argue that gays can not pursue happiness, then you must include bigamists as well. The larger point is that the US keeps many groups from their supposed pursuits of happiness. Laws are based on a majority's
Being gay is not a minority, it is an abnormality. Nowhere in nature is such a practice accepted except in psychologically corrupted humans. I am not against gays as a people but I am absolutely against the behavior.
@ApostolicOutpost If you're against the behavior, may I suggest that you refrain from such behavior? No, not even in public toilets, not with secret boy friends, not with male interns and not even with the rent-a-boy boys. It's a free country and you don't have to engage in gay sex if you don't want to. Hell, even gays don't engage in gay sex if they don't want to. Did you know that? ;-D
@viruscauser Is that really your best at a reply? Seriously, do you lack the maturity to engage a debate on the subject without unfounded accusations? That is pathetic at best, and shows a clear lack intellectual and moral integrity. I pity you if your best reply is to resort to school yard tactics in an effort to fluster the opposition. You fail....
@ApostolicOutpost You could be right. Maybe I do lack the immaturity to debate a homophobic religious retard at his own intellectual level....but I could try... Do you have something to say that is about the subject at hand, and not about me?
@viruscauser No, just to say that in your second response you make clear that you are incapable of a mature debate. Such responses fail to further your cause and indeed do more damage to advancing your goal. Epic fail this time.
@ApostolicOutpost Homosexuality occurs in other animals in nature. Quite a few of them. You should use google a little more instead of running off at the bigot mouth.
@exacerbatedtaboo Google? Thats funny, see I grew up in the mountain and know first hand what a pack of wolves will do to one of it's members for exhibiting such a behavior. Its is not accepted in the nature, and serves zero purpose in continuing the line of the species. Secondly, that is one of the laughable things about the gay community, any opposition or even mere disagreement is condemned as bigotry. If disagreeing makes me a bigot, then so be it.
@ApostolicOutpost You grew up in the mountains? Wow! That really explains a lot about your ignorance. Seconldy. Where in my post did I mention wolves? Cause I'm sure I didn't specify which animals exhibited that behavior. No I'm not going to do your homework for you. You have a computer and the internet now. LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF. Disagreeing with someone doesn't make you a bigot. Telling someone that they are "unacceptable" for being a cetain way does.
@exacerbatedtaboo Ah yes, another personal attack rather than an intelligent debate. If you think growing up in the mountains makes one dumb or a hillbilly, then truly you are a fool. You didn't mention wolves, I did. Lastly, I don't recall making the statement that anyone was unacceptable, I state a belief that homosexuality was in my belief an abnormality rather than a minority. That is vastly different than calling them "unacceptable". You have proven my point in the tone of your reply.
@ApostolicOutpost Ok...So I take that back. Homosexuals are "abnormal" and not unacceptable. That makes it all better. I bet the entire homosexual community feels better know they are "abnormal" don't you? I would also like to ask where did you go to school to learn that homosexuality is "abnormal"? What degree do you have in human behavior that makes you so certain of your claim? Or are you just talking out of your ass? And the reason you're being talked down to is because you're a bigot.
@exacerbatedtaboo Yet another hate filled gay activist that completely fails to have an adult debate. If my statements make me a bigot in your clearly immature mind, then so be it. I'm not offended by that. I did not need to go to school to realize that homosexuality is abnormal, observations of those that are gay as well as the clearly defined laws of God make clear that my belief is accurate.
@ApostolicOutpost No you DO need to go to school and you need to read your own damn bible. The same bible that advocates stoning your wife to death for not being a virgin on her wedding night. The same bible that eating shrimp, lobster etc is an equal abomination and punishable by death. The same bible that says your child get stoned to death for disrespecting you. Take your imaginary friend and shove him up your fucking ass. Fuck your make believe god and fuck your hate filled bible bigot.
@exacerbatedtaboo Ok, if your going to quote a religious text at least know which one your talking about. So far you have quoted the Quran, and since I'm not Muslim your preposition has no bearing whatsoever on the topic of debate. So far you have made accusations and sworn at me with hate filled responses. I have done none of those thing to you. So which of us is hate filled? In fact you have responded with hate simply because I have disagreed with you. That is in fact a kind (cont)
@ApostolicOutpost Nope...That's not the Quran. That's the bible and I'm done with you. Now go hit your knees and talk to yourself. Oh yeah. AND READ YOUR BIBLE. THE WHOLE FUCKING BIBLE. I'm done with you now.
@exacerbatedtaboo Thats not found in the Bible, but you are welcome to show me. Sadly, I don't think you have either the ability or the backbone to back up your accusation. It is typical of personalities like yours to run when under fire, rather than simply be adult enough to have a rational conversation on a given topic.
@exacerbatedtaboo "ApostolicOutpost" is, as we've seen, your typical Christian hypocrite who can only see what he wants to see in the Bible. Too dishonest to be worthy of a debate.
@viruscauser As I said in some cases entire tribes were wiped out for bringing God to wrath, like your Judges reference. Verse 6 shows that it was a tribe not an entire nation. Your Leviticus reference fails to pass since you clearly have no idea what a BONDmaid is in the ancient Hebrew. Your Deuteronomy reference speaks only of being forbidden to mix wool and linen. Exodus 35:2-3 speaks of not working on the Sabbath, as I said, I don't, so that reference is superfluous.
@ApostolicOutpost Exodus 31:14-15 NLT speaks about the Sabbath and there's no Commandment against gay sex. You've achieved what you set out to prove - that you're a hypocrite using the Bible as a buffet table - picking and choosing which ones of your god's laws you like because they help you fuck with others and which ones you're willing to ignore because they are inconvenient.
@viruscauser For the third time, I keep the Sabbath in purity, so your argument there is superfluous. By the way you might want to look at this:
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Cor 6:9 (KJV)
Look up effeminate, I'm sure you can figure it out.
@viruscauser All you've proven at this point is that your either completely ignorant of scripture or a liar. I'm leaning towards the latter based on your responses.
@ApostolicOutpost LOL. What the fuck do I care about your book of Bronze Age fairytales? I was only pointing our your hypocrisy in using only selected parts of your god's laws and ignoring the inconvenient bits... Jesusfreaks like you go after gays and ignore those who work on the Sabbath, don't you?
Yes, I am completely ignorant of your book of ancient fairytales. I need to know as much about the Bible as I need to know the language of Klingon - because both would be equally useful to me. ;-)
@viruscauser Its interesting that you put that way since you exerted energy in debating a "fairytale". Do you believe in fairy tales? If so which ones? Could it be possible that the bible fairytale could help you in recovering from your error? If the answer is "no" then I would refer you to Pinocchio as a possible alternative.......
You have utterly failed to prove any hypocrisy on my part. You have been weighed, measured, and found wanting.
@ApostolicOutpost All I'm going to say to you is you clothe your bigotry in bible verses to avoid taking responsibility for your own hatred of gay people.
@FSAthe1st Again an accusation is made that is baseless. This is commonplace in this debate. What you fail to understand is that I don't hate gay people at all, but I refuse to condone the lifestyle. Being in opposition is not hate or bigotry, but that is indeed what the some in the gay community and it's supporters use as a "poor me" tactic. Not a single one you has had the backbone to stand up to the debate (so far) without making blind assumptions.
@FSAthe1st Being gay is most certainly a choice, there is zero evidence that one is born that way. Secondly, opposition and discrimination are vastly different. Refer back to my statement about the "poor me" tactic often used by the some in the gay community to scream bigot at anyone that disagrees. That is gross ignorance, particularly when when clearly being gay is a a psychological choice, but please prove otherwise.
@ApostolicOutpost "Being gay is most certainly a choice, there is zero evidence that one is born that way."
Really? Because I haven't chosen to be straight. I've been straight my whole life. No choice in the matter. I can no more choose to be attracted to men than a gay person can choose to be attracted to members of the opposite sex, and there is NO evidence to suggest otherwise. However there IS evidence, which you'll deny of course, for homosexuality in the genome.
@ApostolicOutpost "Secondly, opposition and discrimination are vastly different."
Playing semantics games with me is never a good thing to do, kid, so don't try it. You oppose the rights of gay people and you oppose the protection of said rights. There is NO reason why (a) they should not have the right to marry like everyone else, and (b) they should not be protected from bigotry and intolerance within the Armed Forces. The ONLY reason why people oppose them is either hatred or religion.
@ApostolicOutpost "Refer back to my statement about the "poor me" tactic often used by the some in the gay community to scream bigot at anyone that disagrees."
You're a hypocrite in the extreme for making such a statement. Many Christian fundamentalists scream "poor me" like a wounded animal caught in a bear trap when their bigotry is pointed out to them despite being a member of the largest religion on the planet, and THAT is gross ignorance, so take your hypocrisy and shove it.
@ApostolicOutpost "clearly being gay is a a psychological choice, but please prove otherwise."
Many papers have been authored on this subject to show that being gay is NOT a choice. However this is WAY beyond the point here, and I resent you trying to drag the issue off course. This is about their RIGHTS, that people like YOU seek to take away from them. How DARE you try to take away their right to freedom and equality just because they don't exhibit sexual preferences you approve of.
@FSAthe1st Many papers have been authored, yes, unfortunately none of them without heavy bias in your favor. Not a single unbiased study backs up your claim. On the issues of rights, would then give the same rights to someone engaged in bestiality, or pedophilia if they said they were born that way and had no choice in their compulsion? Exactly what rights does being gay automatically demand in your mind?
@ApostolicOutpost "Many papers have been authored, yes, unfortunately none of them without heavy bias in your favor."
1) It's not MY favour. I already told you. I'm straight. This issue doesn't affect me personally.
2) You've just accused the scientific community of bias. I now expect you to provide evidence for this claim.
As for your comparison to bestiality and pedophilia, this shows the disgusting and bigoted nature of your opposition and further compounds your bigotry...
@ApostolicOutpost Homosexuality is in NO way analogous to pedophilia or Bestiality, both of which engage in acts that are in no way consensual between two adults. Children are too young to make an informed consensual choice, and animals cannot communicate their wishes to humans. Two adults, gay or straight, DO have the ability to choose to be with one another, and thus can consent. For you to draw the comparison that you have is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.
@ApostolicOutpost "Exactly what rights does being gay automatically demand in your mind? "
EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHTS AS BEING HETEROSEXUAL. EXACTLY. You do NOT get to tell gay people they have no rights to marry. You do NOT get to tell gay people they will be discharged from the military if they are found to be gay. You do NOT get to tell gay people that they are disgusting, that their lifestyle is hedonistic or any other ill you sick people wish to dishonestly attribute to them.
@FSAthe1st Ah yes, here is where it all takes a turn. Since is is indeed correct that America was birthed as a Christian nation, and even to this day that greater majority of its populace identifies itself as Christian, then yes in fact I do tell gays they have no right to marry over a choice rather than an unsupported claim of birthright. I dont tell gay people they are disgusting, but when asked I do tell them that the bible says it is a sinful act. Looking back over the post's (cont)
@ApostolicOutpost (Cont) It has not me that has been replying with venom filled anger and hatred. I have been nothing less than cordial and decent, because thats who I am. Sadly, you have shown a great deal of unnecessary attitude in your replies. So which of us has shown ourselves to be sick? I simply disagree with you, I don't hate you over it, I'm not mad at you over it. I have treated you respectfully, yet you have responded angrily. In the end, which of us is the bigot?
@ApostolicOutpost "It has not me that has been replying with venom filled anger and hatred."
Just because you couch your words in such a language as to avoid using anything that may seem overly strident, doesn't mean that your position isn't one of covert hatred and bigotry. You have no basis other than a fairytale book of myths to tell gay people what their rights are.
"I have been nothing less than cordial and decent, because thats who I am."
@FSAthe1st As Ive said, I simply don't act like that because It's not who I am. Regardless of the bible I do indeed have the right to disagree with your position on a social issue. Sadly for hateful people as you have shown yourself to at least in this forum, will attack personally, people that disagree.
@ApostolicOutpost "As Ive said, I simply don't act like that because It's not who I am."
You are speaking out and stating that gay people don't have the right to marry, and that they should be dishonourably discharged from the armed forces if they are discovered, and you expect me to believe you when you say "that's not who I am"? Your words tell a different story.
@ApostolicOutpost "Sadly for hateful people as you have shown yourself to at least in this forum, will attack personally, people that disagree."
Sadly for hateful people as yourself, sir, you will psychologically project your own hateful and venomous behaviour onto your critics, accusing them of the very thing you are yourself doing. I'm not attempting to take away your right to marry who you choose, or trying to tell you that you should be restricted in your chosen line of work, unlike you.
@ApostolicOutpost "Sadly, you have shown a great deal of unnecessary attitude in your replies."
I believe that gay people as well as straight people have rights. I get VERY angry at people who try to take those rights away from them. Call that bigotry if you wish, and I'll call you the hypocrite that you are as a result. And stop with the sob story. You're far worse than I ever will be, you bigoted hypocrite.
You have, by trying to conflate homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality, sir. You are sick in making such a comparison, and you're too blinded by your fundamentalist obsessive compulsive devotion to your evidence-free doctrinal religious beliefs to see it.
@ApostolicOutpost "I simply disagree with you, I don't hate you over it, I'm not mad at you over it."
That's because I'm not trying to take away people's rights, unlike you.
"I have treated you respectfully-"
No you haven't. You have not in any way, shape, or form, treated ANYONE with respect. Respect is understanding that people who are different to you are in no way lesser than you, or "sinful" just because they don't think the way they do. Respect is NOT telling gay people they're sinful.
Bigotry always makes me angry, sir. Understand that fact now. Just because a bigoted hypocrite like yourself has made me angry does not make you a winner in any discussion. You might not use overly passionate or strident language in your posts, but that does not disguise the venomous and disgusting nature of your sick, twisted, monstrous and hateful intent behind them.
The one who tells gay people that they do not have a right to marry because they're gay, and that if they're found out to be gay while serving in the armed forces, they'll be dishonourably discharged. That's who. NOT the one who calls said bigot out on his bigotry, sir.
Now I suggest you go away and take a long hard think about your hatred and bigotry. Homosexuality is NOT Bestiality OR Pedophilia.
@FSAthe1st Lastly, I never said homosexuality or bestiality was the same thing, I simply drew a parallel for thought. After all this I have only to assume that you are a liar. Why? Because you have made assumption, slandered, and been extremely hateful simply because another human being disagrees with you. That is a foundational moral flaw, gay or straight. You just really don't get it, and that has nothing to do with the debate at hand.
@ApostolicOutpost "Lastly, I never said homosexuality or bestiality was the same thing, I simply drew a parallel for thought."
And you think that makes it ANY better for your argument? Really?!
The parallel is not even remotely accurate and completely improper to imply in any way, shape, or form. Playing semantics games with me is not a good thing to do, as I just told you.
@ApostolicOutpost "After all this I have only to assume that you are a liar."
Coming from you that's precisely worthless.
"Why? Because you have made assumption, slandered, and been extremely hateful simply because another human being disagrees with you."
Cry me the Suez Canal, crybaby. I have called it as I see it. YOU have assumed the right to tell gay people that they do not have the right to marry the people they love. That is NOT your right. THAT IS THE TRUTH...
@ApostolicOutpost You have attempted to tell gay people that if they are discovered being openly gay, or even a closeted gay, in the armed forces, and are thus dishonourably discharged from the Armed Forces as a result despite their sexuality having no impact on their ability to carry out their duties as a member of the Armed Forces, they somehow are deserving of it. That goes against their rights on discriminatory grounds. THAT IS THE TRUTH. All the things I pointed out about you are ACCURATE.
@ApostolicOutpost This is not about simple disagreement. Slander is only a valid accusation if your opponent has said something about you that is untrue. I have not done that. You DO oppose gay people's human rights, and you DO espouse a position of discrimination against them. You're a monster. You're evil. You're the WORST kind of deceiver, one who couches his hatred of people unlike himself in sweet-sounding words designed to disguise the evil beneath. This isn't simple disagreement...
@ApostolicOutpost because if it were simple disagreement, I could live with that, BUT YOU WANT TO TAKE THEIR RIGHTS AWAY FROM THEM. Gay people marrying one another has NO bearing on how you live your life, and gay people serving in the Armed Forces has NO bearing on the safety that you enjoy on your own soil, so you have NO business interfering in THEIR rights as a result, and yet you do. What kind of sick and twisted justifications will you come up with next?
@FSAthe1st (Cont) can't make the distinction. The saddest part is that you have portrayed the thing you are accusing others of with the hateful intent of your replies. You see in America I can believe as I wish, as can others. I need not, nor am I inclined to justify my position on the subject with someone that has shown themselves incapable of simple debate. If the personality you have shown here is really who you are, then your in for a very rough life.
@ApostolicOutpost "The saddest part is that you have portrayed the thing you are accusing others of with the hateful intent of your replies."
Accusing someone of psychological projection while demonstrating it yourself is pure hypocrisy. Your carefully couched words do not change the FACT that you do NOT want gay people to have the same rights that you do. THAT, sir, is BIGOTRY, and if you cannot see that, then no-one can help you.
@ApostolicOutpost "You see in America I can believe as I wish, as can others."
Freedom of speech does not imply an automatic right to have people take you seriously, or accord your positions respect where said respect HAS NOT BEEN EARNED. You seem to have an immense problem with the FACT that you are WILLING to take away OTHER PEOPLE'S RIGHTS just because you don't like how they conduct themselves, and again I ask... WHERE DO YOU GET OFF?
@ApostolicOutpost "I need not, nor am I inclined to justify my position on the subject with someone that has shown themselves incapable of simple debate."
That's a cop-out. The simple fact is that your position is devoid of any sort of factual or legitimate moral basis, and you instead accuse ME of hate and venom when you are the one who wants to take their rights away from them. You sicken me, you evil twisted individual.
@ApostolicOutpost "If the personality you have shown here is really who you are, then your in for a very rough life."
Coming from a fundamentalist monsterous evil and twisted personality such as yours, I'll take this little piece of parting venom for the evil that it is intended to be, sir, and my response is a resounding go to the hell that you preach. You truly deserve the suffering and torture you so desire to inflict on gay people, but which you will always deny.
@ApostolicOutpost "You just really don't get it, and that has nothing to do with the debate at hand. "
Oh, but it has EVERYTHING to do with the debate at hand, and that is that you OPPOSE gay people's rights to enjoy the same privileges and responsibilities that heterosexual people enjoy. I'm all about equal rights FOR ALL people, NOT just straight people, and NOT JUST CHRISTIANS. EVERYONE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS PLANET. You wish to restrict their rights on the basis of sexual orientation.
@FSAthe1st Your right, I am against gay marriage, and a few of the other issues. Heres what you "don't get": You are so condemning and hateful in response that you show intellectual, social, and psychological immaturity. That you are capable of this this simply because another human being disagrees with your position on a subject is a foundation flaw in your character. You have made assumptions that have no basis. Disagreeing with an issue and bigotry are far different, clearly (Cont)
"Your right, I am against gay marriage, and a few of the other issues."
Yes, and how does a gay couple who love each other getting married affect you? In no way shape or form, whatsoever. Your objections to their marriage are purely religious, and ONLY because your book of fairytales tells you that it's wrong. There is NO observational reality that suggests it is wrong otherwise, and DO NOT start with the pedophilia and bestiality nonsense.
@FSAthe1st "Continue projecting my own hate"? Id that really the best response you can achieve? I'm sorry but have aced like a pathetic five year old that didn't get his way in this forum. It does affect me when the gay community is trying to force it's agenda into a classroom that my child attends. Gay marriage is merely a stepping stone in that and many other agendas. Accuse others all you wish, one only need read the prior posts to see who has been hateful.
@ApostolicOutpost "I'm sorry but have aced like a pathetic five year old-"
That would be ACTED, sir. And no, I haven't. I'm not the one wanting to take away other people's rights. You are. THAT sir, is immature. Grow up.
"It does affect me when the gay community is trying to force it's agenda into a classroom that my child attends."
Evidence or retract this blatantly false claim. That you have now asserted an "agenda" smacks of paranoid conspiracy nonsense. You're losing it big time.
@FSAthe1st Ah so here you go using a typing error to embolden your position. Thats cute. Actually I'm not losing, you lost days ago with your attitude. Is it just really about winning an argument for you? How pathetic. But convince yourself otherwise as I already know you will. Your attitude and position have been weighed, measured, and found wanting....
@ApostolicOutpost "Ah so here you go using a typing error to embolden your position. Thats cute."
Get to the point.
"Actually I'm not losing, you lost days ago with your attitude."
So defending people's rights to equality is losing my sanity now, is it?
"Is it just really about winning an argument for you?"
No. I told you numerous times. THIS IS ABOUT THEIR RIGHTS, THAT YOU DO NOT WISH THEM TO HAVE. You are deliberately being obtuse and I dislike your dishonesty.
@FSAthe1st No this is really about you jumping up and down until everyone agrees with you, which is of course complete silliness. Personalities such are yours are not difficult to recognize.
@ApostolicOutpost "No this is really about you jumping up and down until everyone agrees with you"
Again with the psychological projection. Respond to my point that you wish to take away the rights of gay people to enjoy the same rights as the rest of us. You are avoiding the issue with your dishonest misrepresentation of my statements and your blatant ignorance of the points I am making. That's dishonest.
@FSAthe1st I tried to debate you far earlier in the thread, but you resorted to name calling, childish tactics. Why now should I take you seriously? Gay marriage is not a right, being gay is a choice, not the birth defect you claim.
@ApostolicOutpost "I tried to debate you far earlier in the thread, but you resorted to name calling, childish tactics."
Calling you out on your bigotry is not name calling, and don't try to be clever. Gay marriage IS AS MUCH OF A RIGHT AS STRAIGHT MARRIAGE, AND FOR YOU TO CLAIM OTHERWISE EXPOSES YOUR BIGOTRY FOR WHAT IT IS. So for you to accuse me of "name-calling" just because you're too weak-minded to accept honest criticism of your bigoted stance is pathetic and worthless.
@ApostolicOutpost Keep projecting your own character there, you hypocrite. It never gets old, but I do note that you have continued to espouse the position that gay people do not deserve the same rights as the rest of us.
Another cop-out. You have no case to present. You have played the persecution card repeatedly with not only myself, but everyone else who has disagreed with you. If anyone here has resorted to personal attacks here, it is you, by accusing people of descending to name-calling just because they have rightly called you a bigoted arrogant fundamentalist due to your obvious position that gay people do not deserve the same rights everyone else.
@ApostolicOutpost "But convince yourself otherwise as I already know you will."
Once again, projecting your own mindset onto me will not work. STOP IT AND RESPOND TO THE POINT, THAT YOU WISH TO TAKE AWAY THEIR RIGHTS, AND YOU KNOW YOU DO.
"Your attitude and position have been weighed, measured, and found wanting...."
Again, coming from a fundamentalist monster like you, that means precisely nothing. SANE PEOPLE do not support your position, sir.
@ApostolicOutpost "If it means nothing then why where you so driven to respond?"
Your accuation of my argument "wanting" means nothing, given your attitude to sane people. Your argument does NOT mean "nothing" and your deliberate misrepresentation of THIS statement, along with the other misrepresentations you have thereof committed against myself and others has also not gone unnoticed. You have FAILED to respond to my point, that you wish to take away the rights of gay people. That's dishonest
@ApostolicOutpost "I'm not taking away so called rights the were never entitled in the first place."
So gay people do not have the right to marry the partner they love, you hypocrite? Gay people do not have the right to be free of persecution in their chosen career, you bigoted hypocrite? Is that right? Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that they do NOT have those rights? Where do you get off to tell a significant portion of the population that they do not have the same rights you do?
@FSAthe1st I didn't say a word about their career, only marraige and forcing that gay agenda into schools, which is happening in America. Please go on with the name calling (even though you say it isn't).
@FSAthe1st Not just marriage, I disagree with gays in the military as well. Troop surveys have clearly shown that the larger sum of the forces would be demoralized by openly gay members in the military.
@ApostolicOutpost "Not just marriage, I disagree with gays in the military as well."
Thank you for demonstrating my point about not allowing gay people the right to NOT be persecuted, hounded and harassed out of their military careers. That was the point I was demonstrating, and you've just proved it.
@ApostolicOutpost "I've proven that I disagree with that notion, and that somehow makes me a bad person?"
You've PROVEN that you do NOT think that gay people have a right NOT to be persecuted and subjected to bigotry within the armed forces on account of their sexual orientation, so YES, THIS MAKES YOU A VERY BAD PERSON, SIR. You really can't see the hatred you espouse, can you? NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION: Evolution: Fact or conspiracy?
@ApostolicOutpost "Evolution has taken place since God created the Earth and everything in it."
Cop-out.
"Don't you understand what evolution means either?"
The Change in allelic frequencies in populations from one generation to the next. You'd do better than to try to make me look like the idiot that you are demonstrating yourself to be you infantile egomaniac.
@ApostolicOutpost "Troop surveys have clearly shown that the larger sum of the forces would be demoralized by openly gay members in the military."
Really? Post these alleged surveys. Are they just opinions from the troops themselves, the general public, or are they psychological studies? Because opinions tend to be formed from as likely assumptions that are factually incorrect (such as your blatant paranoia about there being some "gay agenda"), and therefore are worthless without evidence.
@FSAthe1st I'm going to help you out, here is what "agenda" means so can quit making a fool of yourself by trying to imply some sinister meaning in it.
1. A list or program of things to be done or considered. (Websters)
@ApostolicOutpost Providing a dictionary definition of what an agenda means is NOT evidence that the gay community is engaged in a secret agenda to convert people to homosexuality you nutcase. I mean, really! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Man, that's got me laughing so hard I can barely contain myself.
Respond to this video... Gay community trying to achieve some goal = agenda, just as with anyone else. Your just being ridiculous at this point. Can't say I'm surprised.
@ApostolicOutpost "Gay community trying to achieve some goal = agenda, just as with anyone else."
Ah, so you object to the gay "agenda" to assert their rights should be the same as everyone else's? Right, so there we have it, you ARE bigoted and you ARE discriminatory against them. There are laws against your type of bigotry. If you lived here, you'd be arrested for harassing someone on the basis of their sexual orientation if you tried to tell them they were sinning.
@FSAthe1st Again you twist words to achieve your own agenda. Oooops, theres that word again. I stated that agenda means the same thing regardless of the parties involved, does that clear it up for you?
You are beyond socially acceptable debate, you proven that.....relentlessly.
@ApostolicOutpost "What happened to ignore? Or was just another lie?"
I'm sorry, I didn't know you wanted to take away MY right to reply. I am choosing to ignore you but I don't want your messages coming into my inbox. Until I set up the spam filter to block your nonsense, I'll reply to your insanity.
@ApostolicOutpost "I find it absolutely hilarious that you of all people could call someone else narcissistic!"
Simple minded fundamentalists like yourself often do find uncomfortable truths about themselves to be laughable because they cannot tolerate an honest truth about themselves, such as bigotry and hatred.
@ApostolicOutpost Stop being childish already you infant. You have not responded to any of my points with anything other than infantile hatred and bigotry and you have the nerve to call me a liar?
You know what, I'm getting tired of your repeated psychological projection. You have presented no evidentially-supported case for your bigoted stance that gay people do not deserve the same rights as the rest of us. That makes you a bigot and an arrogant one at that given you've attempted to make me look ridiculous (which you've failed to do). Frankly you're a waste of time. Respond with the same nonsense all you want. /IGNORE.
@ApostolicOutpost Like most religious losers, this clown, "apostolic whatever", wears his bigotry and self importance are hidden behind his sanctimonious beliefs. He loves the attention, worships himself, and has quite a big appetite for all things gay. Gays and lesbians will, soon, be granted Constitutionally sanctioned same-sex marriage and be honored to serve openly in the miiltary, and there's nothing that the religious can do to stop it. So, Apostolic: come out, come out, whever you are
And once again with the paranoid conspiracy nonsense. So let me get this straight... Do you think that Evolutionary Biology is the unifying theory of Biology because it makes scientific sense, or because it's some big world-wide conspiracy by Scientists to get Atheism to become more popular? Your answer to this question will demonstrate what I need to know about you. Let's see what your response is now, shall we?
@FSAthe1st Paranoid conspiracy? What planet do you live on? This agenda has been being forced into public in America for 3 to 4 years now. Do some research....
@ApostolicOutpost "Paranoid conspiracy? What planet do you live on?"
Earth, in the Sol system, somewhere on one of the spiral arms of the Milky Way galaxy. You have not answered my question. WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THIS "GAY AGENDA" YOU KEEP GOING ON ABOUT? AND WHAT ARE THEIR AIMS?
@ApostolicOutpost "Secondly, if it means nothing, you really are undereducated."
So, that I found your opinion of my character completely and utterly meaningless means I am under-educated, does it? What kind of narcissistic personality disorder do you have again, sir, to think that I have to be uneducated to find your bigoted assumptions about my character to be meaningless? Do you REALLY think I should worship your opinions on me, you arrogant bigot?
@ApostolicOutpost "You have entirely missed the point of the statement and misrepresented it's meaning."
No, YOU have deliberately misconstrued a statement I made and then made the statement that I am under-educated because I do not value your inaccurate perception of my character, you arrogant imbecile.
@ApostolicOutpost "Heres what you "don't get": You are so condemning and hateful in response that you show intellectual, social, and psychological immaturity. "
Continue projecting your own hate and bigotry. It never gets old. I'm not the one taking their rights away from them. You are. That you can't see this, and instead have convinced yourself that I am the one who is bigoted WHEN I AM IN NO WAY TAKING ANYONE'S RIGHTS AWAY FROM THEM, UNLIKE YOU, is a sure sign of psychological issues.
@ApostolicOutpost "That you are capable of this this simply because another human being disagrees with your position-"
Once again, as I stated to you before BUT WHICH YOU HAVE BLATANTLY IGNORED... TWICE... I am NOT doing this on the basis of simple disagreements. YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE NO RIGHT. WHERE DO YOU GET OFF, SIR? WHERE DO YOU GET OFF?
@ApostolicOutpost "I have ignored your statement simply because it's inaccurate not matter how you like to believe otherwise."
And I have ignored your blatantly false assertions about my character, but I would like you to be honest for once in your life and DEMONSTRATE how it is that two people who are in love and want to get married have ANYTHING to do with you, sir. Do so or retract your paranoid conspiracy nonsense.
@ApostolicOutpost ... and there is no justification whatsoever for doing so. You continue to espouse the position that gay people should not have the same right to marry that you and I do, and that gay people should not enjoy the same right to serve in the military without discrimination as you and I do. That is UNACCEPTABLE and I will NOT let you say you're not being discriminatory, hateful and bigoted when CLEARLY YOU ARE.
@ApostolicOutpost "Ah yes, here is where it all takes a turn. Since is is indeed correct that America was birthed as a Christian nation-"
Wrong. The Founding Fathers, regardless of their religious beliefs (which were varied) were setting themselves up as an independent concern from their European oppressors and the English Empire specifically because of religious persecution. The US was founded as a SECULAR nation, NOT Christian. Learn your own history before making a bigger idiot of yourself.
@FSAthe1st Clearly you have no grasp of history or the beliefs of the founding fathers of America in both the reasons for the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, or the mechanics behind it. (theres more of that hate again)
@ApostolicOutpost "Clearly you have no grasp of history or the beliefs of the founding fathers-"
I have more grasp than you do. Thomas Jefferson was opposed to organised religion, for one. Benjamin Franklin was another. Several of the Founding Fathers were Deists. That's besides the point however. The constitution was founded on the separation of church and state and the 1st amendment specifically prohibits any religious test for government office, which people today conveniently ignore.
@ApostolicOutpost "even to this day that greater majority of its populace identifies itself as Christian."
A survey was conducted in 2007 by the NCSE of a large proportion of US university students. Questions were asked about scientific topics. One of those questions was: "Lasers are caused by sound waves. True or false?" Over 51% answered true. The CORRECT answer is false, as laser beams are a result of light. So you see, just because the majority think one way doesn't make it true.
@FSAthe1st University students are hardly representative of the overall population of America, and lack of education on the subject of laser hardly supports your position on the subject at hand.
reasons to not tolerate homosexuality
1.) cannot start families.
2.) contradict the behaviors of masculinity and femininity.
3.) what's next? polygamy? incest?
SSbombardmentXll 1 year ago
Any kids who got AIDS from being raped in prison would be doing their country a great service by fucking this stupid bitch judge up the ass and sharing the Gay Identity religious cult's only contribution to America with her. If you got AIDS you'll get free meds in prison and don't really have anything left to lose. Think about it.
Texasjim2007 1 year ago
these activist pig judges are trying to tear down this military and this nation, and it makes me fucking sick to my stomach. the military will not stand for this shit, i can assure you.
JimsBBQShack 1 year ago
To be able to serve in the military is NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!
Being gay and screaming outloud in the military subsequently isnt a "right ether"... neither are many things. Hell, being in the military you realize you are no longer in a democracy, you HAVE no democracy, they own your ass!
Any reporter ever serve in the militaty to actually give an intelligent opionion? NOPE !!
More to the point, NO ONE CARES IF YOUR GAY OR NOT, SO STFU if youre serving!
jabberwolf 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo i personally think you are a troll, again, why even bring up bestiality. a common ploy of homophobes is to use slippy slope and red herring arguments like 'can we all marry our dogs' etc....
everyspecies 1 year ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo why are you babbling on about sex with animals, whats that got to do with DADT?? Of course you dont have sex with your own dog, you are just trying to make it seem like gay relationships are wrong and you are merely trying to invoke an 'ikky' reaction from everybody by suggesting that somehow sex with a dog is equivalent to gay sex. stop trolling and present a valid argument for your position.
everyspecies 1 year ago
Sure it is. The reason I know the spam filter excuse is BS is because you came back to the thread to see what I may have posted. 1 Liar clearly busted.
The internet is not in short supply of pseudo-intellects, as we have seen. Anybody take bets on another reply?
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
Will he reply yet again? The "be right" compulsion is very strong in this one. Not to mention proving himself to be dishonest.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
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@ApostolicOutpost "Will he reply yet again? The "be right" compulsion is very strong in this one. Not to mention proving himself to be dishonest."
OK child... No more replies. I've just finishes setting up my spam filter to filter out your comments and videos. I won't be receiving any more notifications of your crap. This is the last you'll hear of me, you insane and dangerous fundamentalist whacko. Goodbye.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
The ironic thing, about my side of this debate, is that I am an atheist. I came to the table of history with no bias of agenda, in religion or politic, and discovered that at the heart of our founding is Judeo-Christian Morality. I bet you believe we took our queues from the Albany Accords and the Iroquois Confederacy as well...;)
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
Don't patronize me by telling me what I need to do. My arguments have been based on historic fact, moral tradition, and legal logic. Your statements are emotional blathering from some minor, relativistic, non-historic, pseudo-ethic. This country has governing ethics that stand on thousands of years of philosophical/religious moral tradition. While your ideas are far off in some Marxist, Platonic Utopia that lives only in your social-progressive imagination. You did a great job; losing this argu
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
My point about polygamy is that it is illegal. It has no supposed basis for illegality in your relative sense of ethic, so you agree it should be legal? You should include polygamy in your argument, with gays, for the "right" to marry, if it has no basis for perceived deception, right?
The legality of marriage is based on moral tradition in the Judeo-Christian ethic, not some new found Marxist sense of state fairness.
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
If you don't think the Constitution is based on Religious morality, you have not read extensively about the founding of the country. If you are actually telling me that there existed a sense of humanism that espoused freedom of choice in sexual orientations at the time of the founding, you have no grasp on historic reality.
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
I don't need a specific ethical reason. As a matter of historic morality, gays have been denied the right to marry. In fact, bigamy is historically more moral than homosexuality. It also has science in it's corner. My ethics are based on the Judeo-Christian ethic this country was founded on. Your sexual orientation ethics are based on a newer secular socialist-progressive agenda. If you have a problem with the majority of the country's stance or it's founding, then what should you and this judg
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
Once again, your logic fails because race is very different than sexual orientation. I keep a version of the Constitution on my iPhone and am intimate with it. I used to think like you and was ruled by some indoctrinated emotional sense of fairness. What I would call social-progressive victim syndrome, but then after spending my life reading the actual source material, instead of listening to people interpretations, I realized social-progressives have been twisting the syntax of the Constitutio
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
Your remarks, about dishonesty, are based on your intimate knowledge of bigamists? You are the only dishonest one here. You have no idea, who as a bigamist, is dishonest? I could undercut your claim that gay people are honest using your lack of logic. I am sure that there are honest loving bigamists, who if your version of pursuit of happiness was followed, would jump at the chance to be married. You are the one who is exclusionary, without evidence, to prove your claims about bigamists.
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
The truth is that this is all about fundamentally shifting power from one group of people to another. Your arguments are pieces of propaganda to persuade people who are ignorant of the whole picture to not think about what is but only to empathize with a conjured miscarriage of justice, when there is none. Homosexuals and Bigamists have been denied the traditions of marriage because this country is founded on Christian morality, and not Islam, Shinto, or any other religion. That is why the Cons
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
@dudeitskeara "Homosexuals and Bigamists-"
Don't put them in the same category. Bigamy is marriage to more than one partner, and is usually done on the basis of deception (with some exceptions) of one of the married partners. Homosexuality does not imply deception of ANY of the sexual partners involved.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@dudeitskeara "-have been denied the traditions of marriage because this country is founded on Christian morality."
Read your Constitution, and read up on the Founding Fathers again.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st It is obvious that you let your ideology get in the way of understanding the founding fathers, as well as the Constitution. Bigamy is illegal because it is considered immoral in the Christian faith. The same as homosexuality. I am not saying either one is wrong or not. I am saying that you denying the Laws of this country have nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian ethic is revisionist.
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
@dudeitskeara Three months ago I replied to your last comment. What took you so long? Did you need to go look up arguments you could use against me? Such as these pathetic excuses you've just come up with?
"Bigamy is illegal because it is considered immoral in the Christian faith."
So what? Bigamy is also illegal in the UK, a traditionally CHRISTIAN country that the AMERICANS sought to gain INDEPENDENCE from in the FIRST place. How does that in ANY way make it related to homosexuality?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@dudeitskeara "The same as homosexuality."
No, the two are not comparable. Just because your fook of fables and myths says something is wrong doesn't mean we should treat it as though it is. If there IS something wrong with a given activity it will be for SECULAR reasons that affect REAL and LIVING people here in REALITY, NOT because of some book you've read that says it's against some magical deity's rules.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
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@dudeitskeara " I am saying that you denying the Laws of this country have nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian ethic is revisionist."
And I am saying that to deny the SECULAR roots of the US Constitution AND the BILL OF RIGHTS is in itself revisionist. What you've just done is engage in an act of Psychological Projection. It's not clever, you know, so don't do it.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
Science has no bearing on this discussion. Science has not found a gay/lesbian gene and the science is unknown and unproven. Law is about morality not science. Stealing is proven in behavioral science to actually be an important part of survival that is amazingly successful, but as a cultured society we do not legalize it because it scientifically is a provable success...
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
@dudeitskeara "Science has not found a gay/lesbian gene and the science is unknown and unproven."
I never said it did. I said there is scientific basis for the possibility that homosexuality is not a choice as some people imply it is. Don't twist my words.
"Law is about morality not science."
And on what ETHICAL grounds do you deny gay people the right to marry the people they love?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
Marriage has never included traditionally a gay couple. It is a sanctified ceremony that goes beyond our present History. Bigamists have a much better argument for being allowed to marry than gay/lesbian.
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
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@dudeitskeara "Marriage has never included traditionally a gay couple."
Tradition be damned. Black people never used to have the right to marry white people, THAT used to be tradition. That was discriminatory too. Want to argue that they shouldn't inter-marry today?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st
Are you bigoted against polygamy or bigamy? Do you think that should be legal?
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
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@dudeitskeara "Are you bigoted against polygamy or bigamy? Do you think that should be legal?"
Bigamy, yes, as it usually implies dishonesty of at least one of the married partners. Polygamy, no, especially if all of the people involved in the relationship are made aware of exactly what is going on and they all agree to it. Your point?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
Furthermore, the judge will be overturned because the services are exempt from mandate concerning the compelling of information particularly in times of war and trouble. The other aspect of the Vth Amendment that precludes the policy as Constitutional, is that it doesn't compel the person to divulge information about their sexuality and uses gathered evidence or the person's freely given statement. It actually is the opposite of compulsion which is why it was written so. There is no freedom wit
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
I think the point is best served when looking at bigamy or polygamy. It is still viewed, unlike homosexuality, by many cultures as a norm of societies, and has been for as long as heterosexuality, and yet no one contests that it is not unconstitutional to ban it in the United States. If you argue that gays can not pursue happiness, then you must include bigamists as well. The larger point is that the US keeps many groups from their supposed pursuits of happiness. Laws are based on a majority's
dudeitskeara 1 year ago
California is home of the queer. Why am i not surprised.
xxashyy 1 year ago
Being gay is not a minority, it is an abnormality. Nowhere in nature is such a practice accepted except in psychologically corrupted humans. I am not against gays as a people but I am absolutely against the behavior.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost If you're against the behavior, may I suggest that you refrain from such behavior? No, not even in public toilets, not with secret boy friends, not with male interns and not even with the rent-a-boy boys. It's a free country and you don't have to engage in gay sex if you don't want to. Hell, even gays don't engage in gay sex if they don't want to. Did you know that? ;-D
viruscauser 1 year ago
@viruscauser Is that really your best at a reply? Seriously, do you lack the maturity to engage a debate on the subject without unfounded accusations? That is pathetic at best, and shows a clear lack intellectual and moral integrity. I pity you if your best reply is to resort to school yard tactics in an effort to fluster the opposition. You fail....
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost You could be right. Maybe I do lack the immaturity to debate a homophobic religious retard at his own intellectual level....but I could try... Do you have something to say that is about the subject at hand, and not about me?
viruscauser 1 year ago
@viruscauser No, just to say that in your second response you make clear that you are incapable of a mature debate. Such responses fail to further your cause and indeed do more damage to advancing your goal. Epic fail this time.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost Homosexuality occurs in other animals in nature. Quite a few of them. You should use google a little more instead of running off at the bigot mouth.
exacerbatedtaboo 1 year ago
@exacerbatedtaboo Google? Thats funny, see I grew up in the mountain and know first hand what a pack of wolves will do to one of it's members for exhibiting such a behavior. Its is not accepted in the nature, and serves zero purpose in continuing the line of the species. Secondly, that is one of the laughable things about the gay community, any opposition or even mere disagreement is condemned as bigotry. If disagreeing makes me a bigot, then so be it.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost You grew up in the mountains? Wow! That really explains a lot about your ignorance. Seconldy. Where in my post did I mention wolves? Cause I'm sure I didn't specify which animals exhibited that behavior. No I'm not going to do your homework for you. You have a computer and the internet now. LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF. Disagreeing with someone doesn't make you a bigot. Telling someone that they are "unacceptable" for being a cetain way does.
exacerbatedtaboo 1 year ago
@exacerbatedtaboo Ah yes, another personal attack rather than an intelligent debate. If you think growing up in the mountains makes one dumb or a hillbilly, then truly you are a fool. You didn't mention wolves, I did. Lastly, I don't recall making the statement that anyone was unacceptable, I state a belief that homosexuality was in my belief an abnormality rather than a minority. That is vastly different than calling them "unacceptable". You have proven my point in the tone of your reply.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost Ok...So I take that back. Homosexuals are "abnormal" and not unacceptable. That makes it all better. I bet the entire homosexual community feels better know they are "abnormal" don't you? I would also like to ask where did you go to school to learn that homosexuality is "abnormal"? What degree do you have in human behavior that makes you so certain of your claim? Or are you just talking out of your ass? And the reason you're being talked down to is because you're a bigot.
exacerbatedtaboo 1 year ago
@exacerbatedtaboo Yet another hate filled gay activist that completely fails to have an adult debate. If my statements make me a bigot in your clearly immature mind, then so be it. I'm not offended by that. I did not need to go to school to realize that homosexuality is abnormal, observations of those that are gay as well as the clearly defined laws of God make clear that my belief is accurate.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost No you DO need to go to school and you need to read your own damn bible. The same bible that advocates stoning your wife to death for not being a virgin on her wedding night. The same bible that eating shrimp, lobster etc is an equal abomination and punishable by death. The same bible that says your child get stoned to death for disrespecting you. Take your imaginary friend and shove him up your fucking ass. Fuck your make believe god and fuck your hate filled bible bigot.
exacerbatedtaboo 1 year ago
@exacerbatedtaboo Ok, if your going to quote a religious text at least know which one your talking about. So far you have quoted the Quran, and since I'm not Muslim your preposition has no bearing whatsoever on the topic of debate. So far you have made accusations and sworn at me with hate filled responses. I have done none of those thing to you. So which of us is hate filled? In fact you have responded with hate simply because I have disagreed with you. That is in fact a kind (cont)
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost Nope...That's not the Quran. That's the bible and I'm done with you. Now go hit your knees and talk to yourself. Oh yeah. AND READ YOUR BIBLE. THE WHOLE FUCKING BIBLE. I'm done with you now.
exacerbatedtaboo 1 year ago
@exacerbatedtaboo Thats not found in the Bible, but you are welcome to show me. Sadly, I don't think you have either the ability or the backbone to back up your accusation. It is typical of personalities like yours to run when under fire, rather than simply be adult enough to have a rational conversation on a given topic.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@exacerbatedtaboo "ApostolicOutpost" is, as we've seen, your typical Christian hypocrite who can only see what he wants to see in the Bible. Too dishonest to be worthy of a debate.
Judges 21:10-24 NLT
Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT
Deuteronomy 22:11
Exodus 35:2-3
Just a few examples at random.
viruscauser 1 year ago 2
@viruscauser As I said in some cases entire tribes were wiped out for bringing God to wrath, like your Judges reference. Verse 6 shows that it was a tribe not an entire nation. Your Leviticus reference fails to pass since you clearly have no idea what a BONDmaid is in the ancient Hebrew. Your Deuteronomy reference speaks only of being forbidden to mix wool and linen. Exodus 35:2-3 speaks of not working on the Sabbath, as I said, I don't, so that reference is superfluous.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@viruscauser Again you have made accusations and as of yet you have failed to back them up. I figured as much based on your previous post's.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@viruscauser There is an old proverb that goes like this:
"It is better to let one think you a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it."
You may want to consider that for a bit, since you have not shown yourself in a positive light.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost Exodus 31:14-15 NLT speaks about the Sabbath and there's no Commandment against gay sex. You've achieved what you set out to prove - that you're a hypocrite using the Bible as a buffet table - picking and choosing which ones of your god's laws you like because they help you fuck with others and which ones you're willing to ignore because they are inconvenient.
viruscauser 1 year ago
@viruscauser For the third time, I keep the Sabbath in purity, so your argument there is superfluous. By the way you might want to look at this:
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Lev 20:13 (KJV)
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@viruscauser Also this:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Cor 6:9 (KJV)
Look up effeminate, I'm sure you can figure it out.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@viruscauser All you've proven at this point is that your either completely ignorant of scripture or a liar. I'm leaning towards the latter based on your responses.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost LOL. What the fuck do I care about your book of Bronze Age fairytales? I was only pointing our your hypocrisy in using only selected parts of your god's laws and ignoring the inconvenient bits... Jesusfreaks like you go after gays and ignore those who work on the Sabbath, don't you?
Yes, I am completely ignorant of your book of ancient fairytales. I need to know as much about the Bible as I need to know the language of Klingon - because both would be equally useful to me. ;-)
viruscauser 1 year ago
@viruscauser Its interesting that you put that way since you exerted energy in debating a "fairytale". Do you believe in fairy tales? If so which ones? Could it be possible that the bible fairytale could help you in recovering from your error? If the answer is "no" then I would refer you to Pinocchio as a possible alternative.......
You have utterly failed to prove any hypocrisy on my part. You have been weighed, measured, and found wanting.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost All I'm going to say to you is you clothe your bigotry in bible verses to avoid taking responsibility for your own hatred of gay people.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Again an accusation is made that is baseless. This is commonplace in this debate. What you fail to understand is that I don't hate gay people at all, but I refuse to condone the lifestyle. Being in opposition is not hate or bigotry, but that is indeed what the some in the gay community and it's supporters use as a "poor me" tactic. Not a single one you has had the backbone to stand up to the debate (so far) without making blind assumptions.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Again an accusation is made that is baseless."
No it isn't... And here's why:
"What you fail to understand is that I don't hate gay people at all, but I refuse to condone the lifestyle."
Being gay IS NOT A LIFESTYLE. For you to claim otherwise in the face of ALL the evidence is a sign of your ignorance.
"Being in opposition is not hate or bigotry-"
No, but discriminating against people's rights on the grounds of something that they have NO choice whatsoever in IS.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Being gay is most certainly a choice, there is zero evidence that one is born that way. Secondly, opposition and discrimination are vastly different. Refer back to my statement about the "poor me" tactic often used by the some in the gay community to scream bigot at anyone that disagrees. That is gross ignorance, particularly when when clearly being gay is a a psychological choice, but please prove otherwise.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Being gay is most certainly a choice, there is zero evidence that one is born that way."
Really? Because I haven't chosen to be straight. I've been straight my whole life. No choice in the matter. I can no more choose to be attracted to men than a gay person can choose to be attracted to members of the opposite sex, and there is NO evidence to suggest otherwise. However there IS evidence, which you'll deny of course, for homosexuality in the genome.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Secondly, opposition and discrimination are vastly different."
Playing semantics games with me is never a good thing to do, kid, so don't try it. You oppose the rights of gay people and you oppose the protection of said rights. There is NO reason why (a) they should not have the right to marry like everyone else, and (b) they should not be protected from bigotry and intolerance within the Armed Forces. The ONLY reason why people oppose them is either hatred or religion.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Refer back to my statement about the "poor me" tactic often used by the some in the gay community to scream bigot at anyone that disagrees."
You're a hypocrite in the extreme for making such a statement. Many Christian fundamentalists scream "poor me" like a wounded animal caught in a bear trap when their bigotry is pointed out to them despite being a member of the largest religion on the planet, and THAT is gross ignorance, so take your hypocrisy and shove it.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "clearly being gay is a a psychological choice, but please prove otherwise."
Many papers have been authored on this subject to show that being gay is NOT a choice. However this is WAY beyond the point here, and I resent you trying to drag the issue off course. This is about their RIGHTS, that people like YOU seek to take away from them. How DARE you try to take away their right to freedom and equality just because they don't exhibit sexual preferences you approve of.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Many papers have been authored, yes, unfortunately none of them without heavy bias in your favor. Not a single unbiased study backs up your claim. On the issues of rights, would then give the same rights to someone engaged in bestiality, or pedophilia if they said they were born that way and had no choice in their compulsion? Exactly what rights does being gay automatically demand in your mind?
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Many papers have been authored, yes, unfortunately none of them without heavy bias in your favor."
1) It's not MY favour. I already told you. I'm straight. This issue doesn't affect me personally.
2) You've just accused the scientific community of bias. I now expect you to provide evidence for this claim.
As for your comparison to bestiality and pedophilia, this shows the disgusting and bigoted nature of your opposition and further compounds your bigotry...
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost Homosexuality is in NO way analogous to pedophilia or Bestiality, both of which engage in acts that are in no way consensual between two adults. Children are too young to make an informed consensual choice, and animals cannot communicate their wishes to humans. Two adults, gay or straight, DO have the ability to choose to be with one another, and thus can consent. For you to draw the comparison that you have is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Exactly what rights does being gay automatically demand in your mind? "
EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHTS AS BEING HETEROSEXUAL. EXACTLY. You do NOT get to tell gay people they have no rights to marry. You do NOT get to tell gay people they will be discharged from the military if they are found to be gay. You do NOT get to tell gay people that they are disgusting, that their lifestyle is hedonistic or any other ill you sick people wish to dishonestly attribute to them.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago 2
@FSAthe1st Ah yes, here is where it all takes a turn. Since is is indeed correct that America was birthed as a Christian nation, and even to this day that greater majority of its populace identifies itself as Christian, then yes in fact I do tell gays they have no right to marry over a choice rather than an unsupported claim of birthright. I dont tell gay people they are disgusting, but when asked I do tell them that the bible says it is a sinful act. Looking back over the post's (cont)
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost (Cont) It has not me that has been replying with venom filled anger and hatred. I have been nothing less than cordial and decent, because thats who I am. Sadly, you have shown a great deal of unnecessary attitude in your replies. So which of us has shown ourselves to be sick? I simply disagree with you, I don't hate you over it, I'm not mad at you over it. I have treated you respectfully, yet you have responded angrily. In the end, which of us is the bigot?
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "It has not me that has been replying with venom filled anger and hatred."
Just because you couch your words in such a language as to avoid using anything that may seem overly strident, doesn't mean that your position isn't one of covert hatred and bigotry. You have no basis other than a fairytale book of myths to tell gay people what their rights are.
"I have been nothing less than cordial and decent, because thats who I am."
Big yourself up. Someone has to.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st As Ive said, I simply don't act like that because It's not who I am. Regardless of the bible I do indeed have the right to disagree with your position on a social issue. Sadly for hateful people as you have shown yourself to at least in this forum, will attack personally, people that disagree.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
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@ApostolicOutpost "As Ive said, I simply don't act like that because It's not who I am."
You are speaking out and stating that gay people don't have the right to marry, and that they should be dishonourably discharged from the armed forces if they are discovered, and you expect me to believe you when you say "that's not who I am"? Your words tell a different story.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Sadly for hateful people as you have shown yourself to at least in this forum, will attack personally, people that disagree."
Sadly for hateful people as yourself, sir, you will psychologically project your own hateful and venomous behaviour onto your critics, accusing them of the very thing you are yourself doing. I'm not attempting to take away your right to marry who you choose, or trying to tell you that you should be restricted in your chosen line of work, unlike you.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Sadly, you have shown a great deal of unnecessary attitude in your replies."
I believe that gay people as well as straight people have rights. I get VERY angry at people who try to take those rights away from them. Call that bigotry if you wish, and I'll call you the hypocrite that you are as a result. And stop with the sob story. You're far worse than I ever will be, you bigoted hypocrite.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "So which of us has shown ourselves to be sick?"
You have, by trying to conflate homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality, sir. You are sick in making such a comparison, and you're too blinded by your fundamentalist obsessive compulsive devotion to your evidence-free doctrinal religious beliefs to see it.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "I simply disagree with you, I don't hate you over it, I'm not mad at you over it."
That's because I'm not trying to take away people's rights, unlike you.
"I have treated you respectfully-"
No you haven't. You have not in any way, shape, or form, treated ANYONE with respect. Respect is understanding that people who are different to you are in no way lesser than you, or "sinful" just because they don't think the way they do. Respect is NOT telling gay people they're sinful.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "yet you have responded angrily."
Bigotry always makes me angry, sir. Understand that fact now. Just because a bigoted hypocrite like yourself has made me angry does not make you a winner in any discussion. You might not use overly passionate or strident language in your posts, but that does not disguise the venomous and disgusting nature of your sick, twisted, monstrous and hateful intent behind them.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost And finally...
"In the end, which of us is the bigot?"
The one who tells gay people that they do not have a right to marry because they're gay, and that if they're found out to be gay while serving in the armed forces, they'll be dishonourably discharged. That's who. NOT the one who calls said bigot out on his bigotry, sir.
Now I suggest you go away and take a long hard think about your hatred and bigotry. Homosexuality is NOT Bestiality OR Pedophilia.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Lastly, I never said homosexuality or bestiality was the same thing, I simply drew a parallel for thought. After all this I have only to assume that you are a liar. Why? Because you have made assumption, slandered, and been extremely hateful simply because another human being disagrees with you. That is a foundational moral flaw, gay or straight. You just really don't get it, and that has nothing to do with the debate at hand.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
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@ApostolicOutpost "Lastly, I never said homosexuality or bestiality was the same thing, I simply drew a parallel for thought."
And you think that makes it ANY better for your argument? Really?!
The parallel is not even remotely accurate and completely improper to imply in any way, shape, or form. Playing semantics games with me is not a good thing to do, as I just told you.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "After all this I have only to assume that you are a liar."
Coming from you that's precisely worthless.
"Why? Because you have made assumption, slandered, and been extremely hateful simply because another human being disagrees with you."
Cry me the Suez Canal, crybaby. I have called it as I see it. YOU have assumed the right to tell gay people that they do not have the right to marry the people they love. That is NOT your right. THAT IS THE TRUTH...
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost You have attempted to tell gay people that if they are discovered being openly gay, or even a closeted gay, in the armed forces, and are thus dishonourably discharged from the Armed Forces as a result despite their sexuality having no impact on their ability to carry out their duties as a member of the Armed Forces, they somehow are deserving of it. That goes against their rights on discriminatory grounds. THAT IS THE TRUTH. All the things I pointed out about you are ACCURATE.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost This is not about simple disagreement. Slander is only a valid accusation if your opponent has said something about you that is untrue. I have not done that. You DO oppose gay people's human rights, and you DO espouse a position of discrimination against them. You're a monster. You're evil. You're the WORST kind of deceiver, one who couches his hatred of people unlike himself in sweet-sounding words designed to disguise the evil beneath. This isn't simple disagreement...
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost because if it were simple disagreement, I could live with that, BUT YOU WANT TO TAKE THEIR RIGHTS AWAY FROM THEM. Gay people marrying one another has NO bearing on how you live your life, and gay people serving in the Armed Forces has NO bearing on the safety that you enjoy on your own soil, so you have NO business interfering in THEIR rights as a result, and yet you do. What kind of sick and twisted justifications will you come up with next?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st (Cont) can't make the distinction. The saddest part is that you have portrayed the thing you are accusing others of with the hateful intent of your replies. You see in America I can believe as I wish, as can others. I need not, nor am I inclined to justify my position on the subject with someone that has shown themselves incapable of simple debate. If the personality you have shown here is really who you are, then your in for a very rough life.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "The saddest part is that you have portrayed the thing you are accusing others of with the hateful intent of your replies."
Accusing someone of psychological projection while demonstrating it yourself is pure hypocrisy. Your carefully couched words do not change the FACT that you do NOT want gay people to have the same rights that you do. THAT, sir, is BIGOTRY, and if you cannot see that, then no-one can help you.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "You see in America I can believe as I wish, as can others."
Freedom of speech does not imply an automatic right to have people take you seriously, or accord your positions respect where said respect HAS NOT BEEN EARNED. You seem to have an immense problem with the FACT that you are WILLING to take away OTHER PEOPLE'S RIGHTS just because you don't like how they conduct themselves, and again I ask... WHERE DO YOU GET OFF?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "I need not, nor am I inclined to justify my position on the subject with someone that has shown themselves incapable of simple debate."
That's a cop-out. The simple fact is that your position is devoid of any sort of factual or legitimate moral basis, and you instead accuse ME of hate and venom when you are the one who wants to take their rights away from them. You sicken me, you evil twisted individual.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "If the personality you have shown here is really who you are, then your in for a very rough life."
Coming from a fundamentalist monsterous evil and twisted personality such as yours, I'll take this little piece of parting venom for the evil that it is intended to be, sir, and my response is a resounding go to the hell that you preach. You truly deserve the suffering and torture you so desire to inflict on gay people, but which you will always deny.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "You just really don't get it, and that has nothing to do with the debate at hand. "
Oh, but it has EVERYTHING to do with the debate at hand, and that is that you OPPOSE gay people's rights to enjoy the same privileges and responsibilities that heterosexual people enjoy. I'm all about equal rights FOR ALL people, NOT just straight people, and NOT JUST CHRISTIANS. EVERYONE. EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS PLANET. You wish to restrict their rights on the basis of sexual orientation.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Your right, I am against gay marriage, and a few of the other issues. Heres what you "don't get": You are so condemning and hateful in response that you show intellectual, social, and psychological immaturity. That you are capable of this this simply because another human being disagrees with your position on a subject is a foundation flaw in your character. You have made assumptions that have no basis. Disagreeing with an issue and bigotry are far different, clearly (Cont)
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost You've really got some front.
"Your right, I am against gay marriage, and a few of the other issues."
Yes, and how does a gay couple who love each other getting married affect you? In no way shape or form, whatsoever. Your objections to their marriage are purely religious, and ONLY because your book of fairytales tells you that it's wrong. There is NO observational reality that suggests it is wrong otherwise, and DO NOT start with the pedophilia and bestiality nonsense.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st "Continue projecting my own hate"? Id that really the best response you can achieve? I'm sorry but have aced like a pathetic five year old that didn't get his way in this forum. It does affect me when the gay community is trying to force it's agenda into a classroom that my child attends. Gay marriage is merely a stepping stone in that and many other agendas. Accuse others all you wish, one only need read the prior posts to see who has been hateful.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "I'm sorry but have aced like a pathetic five year old-"
That would be ACTED, sir. And no, I haven't. I'm not the one wanting to take away other people's rights. You are. THAT sir, is immature. Grow up.
"It does affect me when the gay community is trying to force it's agenda into a classroom that my child attends."
Evidence or retract this blatantly false claim. That you have now asserted an "agenda" smacks of paranoid conspiracy nonsense. You're losing it big time.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Ah so here you go using a typing error to embolden your position. Thats cute. Actually I'm not losing, you lost days ago with your attitude. Is it just really about winning an argument for you? How pathetic. But convince yourself otherwise as I already know you will. Your attitude and position have been weighed, measured, and found wanting....
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Ah so here you go using a typing error to embolden your position. Thats cute."
Get to the point.
"Actually I'm not losing, you lost days ago with your attitude."
So defending people's rights to equality is losing my sanity now, is it?
"Is it just really about winning an argument for you?"
No. I told you numerous times. THIS IS ABOUT THEIR RIGHTS, THAT YOU DO NOT WISH THEM TO HAVE. You are deliberately being obtuse and I dislike your dishonesty.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st No this is really about you jumping up and down until everyone agrees with you, which is of course complete silliness. Personalities such are yours are not difficult to recognize.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "No this is really about you jumping up and down until everyone agrees with you"
Again with the psychological projection. Respond to my point that you wish to take away the rights of gay people to enjoy the same rights as the rest of us. You are avoiding the issue with your dishonest misrepresentation of my statements and your blatant ignorance of the points I am making. That's dishonest.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st I tried to debate you far earlier in the thread, but you resorted to name calling, childish tactics. Why now should I take you seriously? Gay marriage is not a right, being gay is a choice, not the birth defect you claim.
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ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "I tried to debate you far earlier in the thread, but you resorted to name calling, childish tactics."
Calling you out on your bigotry is not name calling, and don't try to be clever. Gay marriage IS AS MUCH OF A RIGHT AS STRAIGHT MARRIAGE, AND FOR YOU TO CLAIM OTHERWISE EXPOSES YOUR BIGOTRY FOR WHAT IT IS. So for you to accuse me of "name-calling" just because you're too weak-minded to accept honest criticism of your bigoted stance is pathetic and worthless.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st LOL, see this is really ab out you and little else. You are soooo predictable.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost Keep projecting your own character there, you hypocrite. It never gets old, but I do note that you have continued to espouse the position that gay people do not deserve the same rights as the rest of us.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Why now should I take you seriously?"
Another cop-out. You have no case to present. You have played the persecution card repeatedly with not only myself, but everyone else who has disagreed with you. If anyone here has resorted to personal attacks here, it is you, by accusing people of descending to name-calling just because they have rightly called you a bigoted arrogant fundamentalist due to your obvious position that gay people do not deserve the same rights everyone else.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "But convince yourself otherwise as I already know you will."
Once again, projecting your own mindset onto me will not work. STOP IT AND RESPOND TO THE POINT, THAT YOU WISH TO TAKE AWAY THEIR RIGHTS, AND YOU KNOW YOU DO.
"Your attitude and position have been weighed, measured, and found wanting...."
Again, coming from a fundamentalist monster like you, that means precisely nothing. SANE PEOPLE do not support your position, sir.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st If it means nothing then why where you so driven to respond? Secondly, if it means nothing, you really are undereducated.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "If it means nothing then why where you so driven to respond?"
Your accuation of my argument "wanting" means nothing, given your attitude to sane people. Your argument does NOT mean "nothing" and your deliberate misrepresentation of THIS statement, along with the other misrepresentations you have thereof committed against myself and others has also not gone unnoticed. You have FAILED to respond to my point, that you wish to take away the rights of gay people. That's dishonest
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st I'm not taking away so called rights the were never entitled in the first place.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "I'm not taking away so called rights the were never entitled in the first place."
So gay people do not have the right to marry the partner they love, you hypocrite? Gay people do not have the right to be free of persecution in their chosen career, you bigoted hypocrite? Is that right? Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that they do NOT have those rights? Where do you get off to tell a significant portion of the population that they do not have the same rights you do?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st I didn't say a word about their career, only marraige and forcing that gay agenda into schools, which is happening in America. Please go on with the name calling (even though you say it isn't).
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "I didn't say a word about their career,"
You presumably support "Don't ask, don't tell", or you wouldn't be responding to this video, so don't try that one on me.
"only marraige"
Which they have the same rights to as you and I, and I don't care if you don't like that fact you bigot.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Not just marriage, I disagree with gays in the military as well. Troop surveys have clearly shown that the larger sum of the forces would be demoralized by openly gay members in the military.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Not just marriage, I disagree with gays in the military as well."
Thank you for demonstrating my point about not allowing gay people the right to NOT be persecuted, hounded and harassed out of their military careers. That was the point I was demonstrating, and you've just proved it.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st I've proven that I disagree with that notion, and that somehow makes me a bad person? How incredibly funny.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "I've proven that I disagree with that notion, and that somehow makes me a bad person?"
You've PROVEN that you do NOT think that gay people have a right NOT to be persecuted and subjected to bigotry within the armed forces on account of their sexual orientation, so YES, THIS MAKES YOU A VERY BAD PERSON, SIR. You really can't see the hatred you espouse, can you? NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION: Evolution: Fact or conspiracy?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Evolution has taken place since God created the Earth and everything in it. Don't you understand what evolution means either?
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
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@ApostolicOutpost "Evolution has taken place since God created the Earth and everything in it."
Cop-out.
"Don't you understand what evolution means either?"
The Change in allelic frequencies in populations from one generation to the next. You'd do better than to try to make me look like the idiot that you are demonstrating yourself to be you infantile egomaniac.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Troop surveys have clearly shown that the larger sum of the forces would be demoralized by openly gay members in the military."
Really? Post these alleged surveys. Are they just opinions from the troops themselves, the general public, or are they psychological studies? Because opinions tend to be formed from as likely assumptions that are factually incorrect (such as your blatant paranoia about there being some "gay agenda"), and therefore are worthless without evidence.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st I'm going to help you out, here is what "agenda" means so can quit making a fool of yourself by trying to imply some sinister meaning in it.
1. A list or program of things to be done or considered. (Websters)
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost Providing a dictionary definition of what an agenda means is NOT evidence that the gay community is engaged in a secret agenda to convert people to homosexuality you nutcase. I mean, really! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Man, that's got me laughing so hard I can barely contain myself.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Clearly you have zero ability to reason with others.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
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@ApostolicOutpost "Clearly you have zero ability to reason with others."
And now you're descending into pathetic responses because you have no case to present.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
Respond to this video... Gay community trying to achieve some goal = agenda, just as with anyone else. Your just being ridiculous at this point. Can't say I'm surprised.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Gay community trying to achieve some goal = agenda, just as with anyone else."
Ah, so you object to the gay "agenda" to assert their rights should be the same as everyone else's? Right, so there we have it, you ARE bigoted and you ARE discriminatory against them. There are laws against your type of bigotry. If you lived here, you'd be arrested for harassing someone on the basis of their sexual orientation if you tried to tell them they were sinning.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Again you twist words to achieve your own agenda. Oooops, theres that word again. I stated that agenda means the same thing regardless of the parties involved, does that clear it up for you?
You are beyond socially acceptable debate, you proven that.....relentlessly.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost Only in your delusional mind.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st What happened to ignore? Or was just another lie?
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost Insert "That" in the appropriate place.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
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@ApostolicOutpost "What happened to ignore? Or was just another lie?"
I'm sorry, I didn't know you wanted to take away MY right to reply. I am choosing to ignore you but I don't want your messages coming into my inbox. Until I set up the spam filter to block your nonsense, I'll reply to your insanity.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st The "BS" flag just went up the pole.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost I find it absolutely hilarious that you of all people could call someone else narcissistic!
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
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@ApostolicOutpost "I find it absolutely hilarious that you of all people could call someone else narcissistic!"
Simple minded fundamentalists like yourself often do find uncomfortable truths about themselves to be laughable because they cannot tolerate an honest truth about themselves, such as bigotry and hatred.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Reply in 3....2....1....
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
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ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st LOL, so the lie continues.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost Stop being childish already you infant. You have not responded to any of my points with anything other than infantile hatred and bigotry and you have the nerve to call me a liar?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
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@ApostolicOutpost "Your just being ridiculous at this point."
You know what, I'm getting tired of your repeated psychological projection. You have presented no evidentially-supported case for your bigoted stance that gay people do not deserve the same rights as the rest of us. That makes you a bigot and an arrogant one at that given you've attempted to make me look ridiculous (which you've failed to do). Frankly you're a waste of time. Respond with the same nonsense all you want. /IGNORE.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost Like most religious losers, this clown, "apostolic whatever", wears his bigotry and self importance are hidden behind his sanctimonious beliefs. He loves the attention, worships himself, and has quite a big appetite for all things gay. Gays and lesbians will, soon, be granted Constitutionally sanctioned same-sex marriage and be honored to serve openly in the miiltary, and there's nothing that the religious can do to stop it. So, Apostolic: come out, come out, whever you are
mascseattleguy 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "and forcing that gay agenda into schools"
And once again with the paranoid conspiracy nonsense. So let me get this straight... Do you think that Evolutionary Biology is the unifying theory of Biology because it makes scientific sense, or because it's some big world-wide conspiracy by Scientists to get Atheism to become more popular? Your answer to this question will demonstrate what I need to know about you. Let's see what your response is now, shall we?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Paranoid conspiracy? What planet do you live on? This agenda has been being forced into public in America for 3 to 4 years now. Do some research....
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Paranoid conspiracy? What planet do you live on?"
Earth, in the Sol system, somewhere on one of the spiral arms of the Milky Way galaxy. You have not answered my question. WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THIS "GAY AGENDA" YOU KEEP GOING ON ABOUT? AND WHAT ARE THEIR AIMS?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Secondly, if it means nothing, you really are undereducated."
So, that I found your opinion of my character completely and utterly meaningless means I am under-educated, does it? What kind of narcissistic personality disorder do you have again, sir, to think that I have to be uneducated to find your bigoted assumptions about my character to be meaningless? Do you REALLY think I should worship your opinions on me, you arrogant bigot?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st You have entirely missed the point of the statement and misrepresented it's meaning.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
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@ApostolicOutpost "You have entirely missed the point of the statement and misrepresented it's meaning."
No, YOU have deliberately misconstrued a statement I made and then made the statement that I am under-educated because I do not value your inaccurate perception of my character, you arrogant imbecile.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
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ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Heres what you "don't get": You are so condemning and hateful in response that you show intellectual, social, and psychological immaturity. "
Continue projecting your own hate and bigotry. It never gets old. I'm not the one taking their rights away from them. You are. That you can't see this, and instead have convinced yourself that I am the one who is bigoted WHEN I AM IN NO WAY TAKING ANYONE'S RIGHTS AWAY FROM THEM, UNLIKE YOU, is a sure sign of psychological issues.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "That you are capable of this this simply because another human being disagrees with your position-"
Once again, as I stated to you before BUT WHICH YOU HAVE BLATANTLY IGNORED... TWICE... I am NOT doing this on the basis of simple disagreements. YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE NO RIGHT. WHERE DO YOU GET OFF, SIR? WHERE DO YOU GET OFF?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st I have ignored your statement simply because it's inaccurate not matter how you like to believe otherwise.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
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@ApostolicOutpost "I have ignored your statement simply because it's inaccurate not matter how you like to believe otherwise."
And I have ignored your blatantly false assertions about my character, but I would like you to be honest for once in your life and DEMONSTRATE how it is that two people who are in love and want to get married have ANYTHING to do with you, sir. Do so or retract your paranoid conspiracy nonsense.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost ... and there is no justification whatsoever for doing so. You continue to espouse the position that gay people should not have the same right to marry that you and I do, and that gay people should not enjoy the same right to serve in the military without discrimination as you and I do. That is UNACCEPTABLE and I will NOT let you say you're not being discriminatory, hateful and bigoted when CLEARLY YOU ARE.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Ah yes, here is where it all takes a turn. Since is is indeed correct that America was birthed as a Christian nation-"
Wrong. The Founding Fathers, regardless of their religious beliefs (which were varied) were setting themselves up as an independent concern from their European oppressors and the English Empire specifically because of religious persecution. The US was founded as a SECULAR nation, NOT Christian. Learn your own history before making a bigger idiot of yourself.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st Clearly you have no grasp of history or the beliefs of the founding fathers of America in both the reasons for the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, or the mechanics behind it. (theres more of that hate again)
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "Clearly you have no grasp of history or the beliefs of the founding fathers-"
I have more grasp than you do. Thomas Jefferson was opposed to organised religion, for one. Benjamin Franklin was another. Several of the Founding Fathers were Deists. That's besides the point however. The constitution was founded on the separation of church and state and the 1st amendment specifically prohibits any religious test for government office, which people today conveniently ignore.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
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@ApostolicOutpost "(theres more of that hate again)"
So it's hate now to point out that there's a constitutional separation of church and state now, is that what you're trying to tell me?
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost "even to this day that greater majority of its populace identifies itself as Christian."
A survey was conducted in 2007 by the NCSE of a large proportion of US university students. Questions were asked about scientific topics. One of those questions was: "Lasers are caused by sound waves. True or false?" Over 51% answered true. The CORRECT answer is false, as laser beams are a result of light. So you see, just because the majority think one way doesn't make it true.
FSAthe1st 1 year ago
@FSAthe1st University students are hardly representative of the overall population of America, and lack of education on the subject of laser hardly supports your position on the subject at hand.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago