I have always thought that the ancient biblical tribes, with their beliefs about women and what should happen to them if they were believed to have sinned, may have contributed to the deaths of many young female rape victims. Victims, of most likely, male members of their own families. These young women were extremely sheltered, and their only sexual experience before marriage would most likely have been older men in their own families. Then they are conveniently blamed for it afterward.
@tylerdurden666able You think al Quaeda is a CIA asset? You really -will- believe anything, won't you? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised; after all you've stated your belief in the occult. After -that- gulf has been leapt, there's really no limit left on the absurdities you'll buy into. I'll leave you to your delusions at this point. Feel free to declare victory, as I'm sure you will, even if only within the echoing chambers of your own head...
@tylerdurden666able In a word, No. Christ's a psychotic who can't make up his mind about how to treat people. Half the time, you've got the light, fluffy Jesus apologists like you trot out to bring in the rubes. The rest of the time, Christ gleefully preaches about how people who don't follow him are condemned to an eternity of torture, Hell being a Christian concept after all.
@tylerdurden666able I'm "American" in the same sense the French are European in that I live in the Americas as do Mexicans, Canadians, Venezuelans, Brazilians, Chileans & many, many more. If you're asking do I live in the US, the answer is No. Nor was I born there.
And Osama bin Laden was a multi-millionaire with ties to the Saudi gov't. Hardly someone incapable of assembling an army if he chose to. Which he did.
@tylerdurden666able Excuse me? At what point did I say any of that? Here's a hint: I didn't. The Qu'ran is a spectacularly violent & repellent book. It's also boring & incoherent. But then so is the Bible. Both of them demand that believers commit atrocities in the name of their respective deities and the hardcore true believers do so. This is demonstrable fact.
@tylerdurden666able Oh they're certainly crazy, but what makes them crazy? Mostly, it's believing in things for which they have no evidence. Taking things on faith. Believing that what they do is pleasing to the magic man in the sky. And there isn't a damned thing theologically out of sync with what they're doing. Their holy book, and yours for that matter, commands such barbarism.
@tylerdurden666able Know that for a fact do you? Learned how to read minds perhaps? Say isn't that one of the signs of witchcraft? Might want to check the purity of your soul & all.
Anyway, how exactly do you know that Christ only referred to the 10 Commandments? None of the preceding or trailing passages specify that & the reference to "these least commandments" doesn't lend itself to the big 10 being the subject.
@tylerdurden666able Given that the Bible has been in contemporary language for centuries, we're perfectly capable of reading it ourselves and drawing relevant conclusions from it. In short, Yahweh's a monster and Christ's a (probably mythical) asshole.
@tylerdurden666able 'scuse me for cutting in, but Christ quite explicitly stated that the brutality of the Mosaic laws were NOT to be overthrown - Matthew 5:18.
Query, are you moral because of a fear of Hell & its attendant punishment or are you moral because of a conscious decision not to harm others?
@tylerdurden666able Oh it's a joke alright, but sort of an inside one that frankly only I find all that funny & even then not very.
So the god of Moses & Noah eh? Of all the possible deities to want to believe in, you pick a genocidal, misogynistic, authoritarian sociopath? No accounting for taste I guess.
Pray, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. - Ambrose Bierce
All fundamentalist/inerrantist types have to pick and choose which verses to take literally. I'm still looking for the one-eyed christians. I'll betcha Jack boy has lusted. Should've plucked his eye out by now.
He's a sex-scandal waiting to happen. I've seen his type before.
@tylerdurden666able I'm not afraid of god, I hate the holy trinity, and I think the devil is a huge pussy! I invite the devil and his hordes of hideouos demons to invest my house.
@tylerdurden666able "...but i doubt you would believe me since most of the proof i needed came in the form of a personal story and personal miracles"
I doubt you would consider the testimony of those to claim to have been abducted by aliens and anally probled, and these are more likely than your absurd god claims. You're right - your personal experiences meaning nothing to me.
@tylerdurden666able The very idea of eternal punishment for finite crimes is totally abhorent. The fact people like you think it is perfect, just, and moral is shocking.
Refreshed this page @ 19:44 eastern December 12, 2011. Copy right claim by First Baptist Church of Hammond, County? I don't hate Jesus or, christians but, how do you deal with people like that that?
@tylerdurden666able You failed to address hsi question. Don't have an answer, so decided to attack instead? This is an extremely poor debating technique. Perhaps you should honestly think about these questions and come up with reasonable answers?
@tylerdurden666able I am having problems with the loving and merciful Jesus (as part of the 3 headed Christian God) commanding "bring hither and slay them before me". Perhaps I am being overly sensitive?
@tylerdurden666able Luke 19:27 where Jesus tell the parable of a "King" who kills those who will not live under his rule. Who do you think the King represents in this story?
@tylerdurden666able Bzzt! Incorrect. You -believe- God exists. You have no empirical evidence that god exists (Which god by the way? There's been over 2700 entities in human history recognized as deities; how do you know you've got the right one?). Likewise the devil.
And for the record, just because you WANT something to be true, it does not equate to something actually BEING true.
@tylerdurden666able As a christian child I was taught not to hate. Christ's love was more powerful than anything. Christ knew no hate, he only knew love, and we should follow his divine example.
As a child I learned, God could not hate. Christ could not hate. I am now told that I, following father and son, may hate.
i am having flashbacks....talk me down, maaaan....talk..me....DOOWWNNN....i had mercifully forgotten about schaap. as for the wife, jhchrist i knew so many like this.
The stories in the bible were written by many different people. But the editors were sleazy bastards to be sure. This book is such a product of its times, and though interesting as a historical document is only good as a door stop these days.
Wake up people! (Here's to wishing saying that was all it took!)
Women can't speak in church huh? Yet another juicy verse to remember so I can bring it up every time a Christian tells me they follow the bible, and are the one true kind of christian ™, and therefore they are the only ones reading the entire bible in the most straight forward logical common sense way possible.
Why can't Christians get their story straight? Person A is a Christian and he claims that his understanding of god is verified by personal revelation from the said entity. Person B claims the same, but his understanding is different. So I mean what the fuck Christians? Is your god trolling you or what?
Or rather, there is no god and everyone is self-inducing and imagining these experiences (which happen in all religions btw).
I've heard this one before, but it doesn't make any sense. We are talking about doctrinal specifics, like what this supposed entity wants from humans etc. These are not supposed to be trivial and subjective.
To put it simply, if everyone's experience is different and also valid, this makes the whole premise invalid.
@tylerdurden666able If you were a bit more clever, you would know how to spell “metaphor”.
Seems to me Jesus spoke in a superstitious time where many people would believe you hands and eyes can “sin” against your will. You do realise that some countries still cut the hands off thieves? Wonder where they got that idea?
@tylerdurden666able Did Jesus trash a church, or not? Did he whither a fig tree because it did wasn’t fig season? Did he cast demons into pigs? Did he ask people to hate their families, give up everything, and follow him? Did he Jesus say you should pluck out your eye if it offends you?
The answer to all these questions is “yes” and make me wonder why anyone would like to be like him.
@tylerdurden666able “... if everyone lived like jesus we would have no problems...”
So we should all encourage families to break up, cut off our own hands and pluck out our eyes, give everything away, curse fig trees, trash churches, possess pigs with demons, and kill those who won't obey us?
"find one thing jesus said that you dont agree with"
""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace
but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. "
@tylerdurden666able Luke 14:26 "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
That's one that I read as a child that chilled me. There are plenty more if you'd like.
Also, I haven't blamed religion for anything. I blame credulity.
the new 10 commandments , dont screw others , dont steal their hard earned cash, dont threaten a fake hell, treat everyone as u really want to be treated , seek science/truth , question every fool who seems to know it all , i guess we only need 6 rules !
why ARE religious ppl so stupid ? its amazzzing to me ! and the fanatic/preachers are the worst of all just evil ! this book/bible is the worse piece of crap I have ever read ! just stupid 100%
Oh I try to understand why people go to such trouble to try and prove Christianity wrong, but you can't because there is a mystery that is revealed to us for gods glory and you will only ever find it if you believe.
Billions of people say the same thing, but they think something completely different than you do. It is impossible for everyone of them to be right, but it is possible for everyone of them to be wrong.
Finding God with your heart is just another way of saying it's a delusion.
I didn't know it, though it's certainly true that I full well suspected it, and with good reason. Faith as askegg noted, is belief without evidence, on this basis and others it does not justify your position in the least. Not only is faith not a successful pathway to truth, it's made 0 progress over thousands of years. Thus your claims are merely baseless assertions, particularly the claim that one may "know him" which borders on lying.
@dookiecheez boy you have no idea what the truth is, I know there is a God because he has revealed himself to me and shown me a truth that has been with me all my life inside my heart.
@mh4777abc I believe you had some sort of experience or emotion, but I cannot say what it was or experience it. I cannot verify it, or even begin to offer explanations as to what might have caused it. So what am I meant to do with such information? As I said, your personal experiences cannot impress me.
How do I know the heart is a circulatory organ? I paid attention in grade school.
At the time the Bible was written, people literally thought emotions came from your heart, as opposed to being chemical activity in the brain. The Bible repeats the mistaken information the authors of God didn't know, and wears the modern metaphor as a badge of proud ignorance.
Hence all the talk about knowing things in your heart, and not a single occurrence of the word BRAIN in the Bible.
It is NOT still true. It was never true. The authors who wrote the part of God in the Bible didn't know any better, and that's why God as portrayed in the Bible is ALSO wrong on the subject. The character of God only displays the thoughts the authors had and things they believed.
No, what you say is thought about in your brain, and spoken with your mouth.
Emotions and thoughts DO NOT happen in the heart. Every warm feeling of love you get is happening in your brain.
Indeed! I'm still studying what arrangements of neurons and patterns of brain activity and combinations of chemicals account for which emotions, in what concentrations.
I'm reading more about the heart, too. Did you know there are artificial hearts? And that people who have their hearts removed and replaced with these pumps don't suddenly lose all their thoughts and emotions?
So your personal experiences, which are not only unknowable to me, but are subject to the shortcomings and failures of human neurology, reasoning, and logic counts as knowledge? Ok then you're knowledge is on equal footing with everything else. Bigfoot, alien abductions, lochness monster, fairies, the great juju, santa claus, etc... I don't call that truth, I call that delusion. You are the one who does not understand truth or knowledge in the least.
@mh4777abc there is no mystery about evil crap in the bible made by stupid men from the mideast , they are were stupid then an still now ! anyone who believes anycrap in the bible is a fool !
Hmm plenty of people are immoral together it doesn't specify rape at all. You cut him off and take things out of context. Well maybe you should look at the scripture that says 'the people of this world will think you are evil'.
@mh4777abc You obviously did not listen. Consensual acts between adults is are not immoral. And when did I suggest Jack was “evil”? Oh yeah, never. He is merely deluded and blinded by an accent superstition, like so many others. I pity you.
@askegg I'm not referring to gay people where would rape come in that? I'm just saying you may think you know everything about God but you don't. Just look at how Jesus came and dealt with stoning - he had nothing to do with it.
@mh4777abc The reason we are no longer arguing over these old laws is because we have progressed. However, Jack is still arguing they are god’s law (I assume because it’s in Scripture), and our modern morality is corrupt. This is dangerous nonsense.
@KasparHauser6 Only when it's inconvenient to do so... or when applied to themselves. The average Christian hypocrite is more than happy to scream for the OT regs to be applied to people they don't like or otherwise disapprove of, but Heaven forfend that it should be applied to -their- behaviour.
@tylerdurden666able I didn't know that there was anyone out there who believes that people who are stoned to death in god's name go to heaven. I guess that would mean everyone goes to heaven.
You are quite right that I haven't studied the laws or the society of that time and I can only hope that people then did not consider these verses law at all, because many of them are truly silly, if not flat out disturbing. I further hope that folks today avoid using this book when drafting laws.
@tylerdurden666able In a way I agree. If the only language you speak is English then quoting or trying to explain the bible in any language is just silly.
Still, I've never read a translation of the old testament that sounds like anything more than laws and stories written by men in primitive Palestine.
@tylerdurden666able You have to remember that Deuteronomy also addresses the scenario where a woman consents to sex out of wedlock so, you probably don't think this passage refers to that. The law is clear that if it was consensual, they are both dead.
What did this man do that he has to pay the father and marry the woman?
@tylerdurden666able Let us assume it's not rape; now the law is that she becomes a prostitute, her dad is her pimp and they all have to start making plans for the wedding.
Is that about right?
Would it make more sense if I read it in Hebrew or Greek?
I think the DTR paasasge could refer to either rape or consensual sex. Consent is not really an issue, since in the mind of the biblical author, a woman is not competent to consent to sex, only her father can consent for her.
Nothing can make an individual look more insensitive, barbaric, immoral, and just plain stupid than trying to defend the entirety of Biblical morality.
@tylerdurden666able Listen to the question Jack is answering at 9:16. He is clearly treating the passage as if it says “rape” and does not bother correcting Kevin. Regardless of what the Bible may actually say many treat the passage to mean rape.
In any case, whether rape or not, the victim is has no option that to marry. Her wishes are never considered. These are the commandments directly from Jack’s perfect and holy book.
Baptist preachers like this man are uneducated and dangerous people who harm others with their indoctrinating ways. In contrast, educated people know that the bible has anthropological value in understanding why people of the desert created laws like that. Mainly for economic reasons because women were viewed as property and men had to present a dowry for the father of the woman if he wanted to marry her. Thus, the law to force marriage to pay the father of a rape victim. Woman had no rights
There you have it, ladies! The Bible is sexist! But you will probably dismiss it as METAPHOR or NO LONGER APPLICABLE NOW. You all are pitiful! Some of you are probably feminist, which makes it even more pitiful!
I wonder if a daughter of the Pastor actually was raped, if the pastor then would just love to get the rapist as his son in law. I doubt it. Hypocrites Christians do only follows their retarded Gods demands when it is convenient. Good vid.
The preacher says, "We don't know about the lady...We don't know if there's a lot more to the story than meets the eye."
If that's the case, then why didn't the *perfect* word of god simply include that need-to-know information, so we don't have to resort to conjecture? (Not that additional information is needed, BTW, as I agree with askegg's points concerning this topic.)
Christians think that these passages about marrying your rapist are a joke. It's some theoretical stuff that can be discounted.
Well discount this shit:
watch?v=OyLus0EgKiE
First story, link below in the video, shows that this is happening NOW in Afghanistan. (The sickest part is that we Americans OWN that shithole, and we're doing nothing about it. After all, we don't want to offend their religious sensibilities.)
God really is a dick sometimes. Did I say sometimes? I meant to say always. Making slaves that don't like you, bending them to love you, and then making them serve you forever definitely sounds like a real asshole thing to do.
The thing that never ceases to amaze me is, not that this 'kind' of people sprout out nonsense and hatred, but that people willing believe them and follow them.
Of course. in the mind of a fundy fuck-nut, if a white woman had been raped by a non-white man, all of a sudden Jeebus's law wouldn't seem so clear-cut.....
Let's consider the what kind of woman she was? Was she seductive?
Dumb fuck.
I have been "seduced", aroused and encouraged, by my ex. Who, literally, as i was about to enter the holiest of holies, changed her mind.
That is where is stops. It's not a hard concept to grasp, fuck nut. If someone, man or woman, says no, AT ANY POINT. Regardless of the events leading up to it. It ends.
@lovelittlecats Much as I want to agree with you, I can't. Religion is no more or less than any other ideology... a fraudulent, insane & malevolent ideology, but just an ideology all the same. The evil, if you will, resides in us, in our willingness to believe without evidence, our habit for accepting without question. As a child, those are useful traits to have, it helps to keep us safe until we're old enough to understand our world. It's just that people refuse to grow up.
@Muljinn I agree. However, I use this short, simple phrase a lot.... I'm trying to get across an idea in a way that will stick in people's minds.
Religion is thought of as somehow instrinsically 'good', this is never questioned by many people.
On a superficial level, I hope this little phrase will at least sow the seeds of doubt in some people's minds. We can't expect Bible-Belters to understand about "fraudulent ideologies" when they can't understand even basic ideas.
I firmly believe that it's misogynistic men who want to use the "word of God" as their law because it was written by men, and thus doesn't matter what women want, because "God's law" is all about what a man does, and women are second class citizens according to the Bible...
Just wondering, does a vicar/priest/whatever running a church service on Sunday count as "working"? If so, can we stone them to death? It's what the Bible says we must do :-P
I like your video's message, but I didn't Ike the flashes of the word obey with the skull and such. I understand that I am being a bit of a baby, but I watched the video to hear your responses to this idiot, not to be startled
7:40 literally scared the crap out of me! I was just sitting back watching a video, and I was like, "What the Hell?! Was that a skeleton?!"
modem815 4 days ago
Dude, I love your voice! No homo. Btw nice echo effect when you were reading the Bible.
modem815 4 days ago
@modem815 Thanks - it’s the only voice I have :)
askegg 1 day ago
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I have always thought that the ancient biblical tribes, with their beliefs about women and what should happen to them if they were believed to have sinned, may have contributed to the deaths of many young female rape victims. Victims, of most likely, male members of their own families. These young women were extremely sheltered, and their only sexual experience before marriage would most likely have been older men in their own families. Then they are conveniently blamed for it afterward.
8698gil 2 months ago
@8698gil
Unfortunately in many parts of the world it is still like this...
itsjustameme 1 month ago
Priceless!
ltfaria1989 2 months ago
and at 7:55 lol
mattincinci 2 months ago
i love how obey flashes at 8:00
mattincinci 2 months ago
@ 7:40 omg, hilarious.
WouldbeSage 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able You think al Quaeda is a CIA asset? You really -will- believe anything, won't you? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised; after all you've stated your belief in the occult. After -that- gulf has been leapt, there's really no limit left on the absurdities you'll buy into. I'll leave you to your delusions at this point. Feel free to declare victory, as I'm sure you will, even if only within the echoing chambers of your own head...
Muljinn 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able In a word, No. Christ's a psychotic who can't make up his mind about how to treat people. Half the time, you've got the light, fluffy Jesus apologists like you trot out to bring in the rubes. The rest of the time, Christ gleefully preaches about how people who don't follow him are condemned to an eternity of torture, Hell being a Christian concept after all.
Muljinn 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able I'm "American" in the same sense the French are European in that I live in the Americas as do Mexicans, Canadians, Venezuelans, Brazilians, Chileans & many, many more. If you're asking do I live in the US, the answer is No. Nor was I born there.
And Osama bin Laden was a multi-millionaire with ties to the Saudi gov't. Hardly someone incapable of assembling an army if he chose to. Which he did.
Muljinn 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Excuse me? At what point did I say any of that? Here's a hint: I didn't. The Qu'ran is a spectacularly violent & repellent book. It's also boring & incoherent. But then so is the Bible. Both of them demand that believers commit atrocities in the name of their respective deities and the hardcore true believers do so. This is demonstrable fact.
And ridiculous is NOT spelt with an 'e'.
Muljinn 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Oh they're certainly crazy, but what makes them crazy? Mostly, it's believing in things for which they have no evidence. Taking things on faith. Believing that what they do is pleasing to the magic man in the sky. And there isn't a damned thing theologically out of sync with what they're doing. Their holy book, and yours for that matter, commands such barbarism.
Muljinn 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Know that for a fact do you? Learned how to read minds perhaps? Say isn't that one of the signs of witchcraft? Might want to check the purity of your soul & all.
Anyway, how exactly do you know that Christ only referred to the 10 Commandments? None of the preceding or trailing passages specify that & the reference to "these least commandments" doesn't lend itself to the big 10 being the subject.
Muljinn 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Given that the Bible has been in contemporary language for centuries, we're perfectly capable of reading it ourselves and drawing relevant conclusions from it. In short, Yahweh's a monster and Christ's a (probably mythical) asshole.
Muljinn 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able 'scuse me for cutting in, but Christ quite explicitly stated that the brutality of the Mosaic laws were NOT to be overthrown - Matthew 5:18.
Query, are you moral because of a fear of Hell & its attendant punishment or are you moral because of a conscious decision not to harm others?
Muljinn 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Oh it's a joke alright, but sort of an inside one that frankly only I find all that funny & even then not very.
So the god of Moses & Noah eh? Of all the possible deities to want to believe in, you pick a genocidal, misogynistic, authoritarian sociopath? No accounting for taste I guess.
Pray, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy. - Ambrose Bierce
Muljinn 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able I'll let you know if Satan and his minions interrrupt my holiday plans.
askegg 2 months ago
All fundamentalist/inerrantist types have to pick and choose which verses to take literally. I'm still looking for the one-eyed christians. I'll betcha Jack boy has lusted. Should've plucked his eye out by now.
He's a sex-scandal waiting to happen. I've seen his type before.
HellRehab 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Not really. To me is just like inviting the wrath of a leprechaun.
askegg 2 months ago
Gah, what an awful creature, this preacher man.
Nocturnalux 2 months ago
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beachcomber2008 2 months ago
@beachcomber2008 You passed.
askegg 2 months ago
@askegg Every so often I FAIL. I was in auto mode.:)
beachcomber2008 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able "KJV has not changed one word since it was compiled"
What - 1,600 years after Jesus apparently walked the Earth? Impressive.
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able I don;t care what the Bible says on ANY subject. It is a worthless book.
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able "actually i do believe people who are abducted or say they are abducted by aliens"
Wow! You are full of fail.
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able I'm not afraid of god, I hate the holy trinity, and I think the devil is a huge pussy! I invite the devil and his hordes of hideouos demons to invest my house.
Happy now?
askegg 2 months ago
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@askegg "the devil is a huge pussy" - Hey, my mouth is watering right now, How does he like it?
beachcomber2008 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able "even after people are thrown in hell for not appologizing for thier sins, they are given another chance afterwards"
Then Hell is pointless. How many people will stay there for any length of time if it is as horrid and people suggest?
The variety of Biblical interpretations does not indicate any of you have a fucking clue what you're talking about.
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able "...but i doubt you would believe me since most of the proof i needed came in the form of a personal story and personal miracles"
I doubt you would consider the testimony of those to claim to have been abducted by aliens and anally probled, and these are more likely than your absurd god claims. You're right - your personal experiences meaning nothing to me.
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able I deny the holy spirit. I don't think Jesus ever existed. I am am not scared of your boogey man.
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able You just admitted you don't have any proof god or the devil exist, so why should anyone listen to your insane ideas?
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able The very idea of eternal punishment for finite crimes is totally abhorent. The fact people like you think it is perfect, just, and moral is shocking.
askegg 2 months ago
Refreshed this page @ 19:44 eastern December 12, 2011. Copy right claim by First Baptist Church of Hammond, County? I don't hate Jesus or, christians but, how do you deal with people like that that?
vibrant151 2 months ago
@vibrant151 You mean the original video?
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able You failed to address hsi question. Don't have an answer, so decided to attack instead? This is an extremely poor debating technique. Perhaps you should honestly think about these questions and come up with reasonable answers?
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able I am having problems with the loving and merciful Jesus (as part of the 3 headed Christian God) commanding "bring hither and slay them before me". Perhaps I am being overly sensitive?
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Luke 19:27 where Jesus tell the parable of a "King" who kills those who will not live under his rule. Who do you think the King represents in this story?
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Bzzt! Incorrect. You -believe- God exists. You have no empirical evidence that god exists (Which god by the way? There's been over 2700 entities in human history recognized as deities; how do you know you've got the right one?). Likewise the devil.
And for the record, just because you WANT something to be true, it does not equate to something actually BEING true.
Muljinn 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Last time I checked Luke was in the New Testament. Which version of God's pefect word are you using?
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able "our modern morality is corrupt"
So we should go back to stoning non-virgin brides, adulterers, and rape victims who do not scream loudly enough?
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able There must be something to pull us up from the gloom. You and I have a will to be more than we are.
Don't despair. We can all get through this.
kidigus 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able As a christian child I was taught not to hate. Christ's love was more powerful than anything. Christ knew no hate, he only knew love, and we should follow his divine example.
As a child I learned, God could not hate. Christ could not hate. I am now told that I, following father and son, may hate.
I can't.
kidigus 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Come on, brother. Surely it can't be that bad. Were I to believe that I'd be in an intractable state of despair.
kidigus 2 months ago
i am having flashbacks....talk me down, maaaan....talk..me....DOOWWNNN....i had mercifully forgotten about schaap. as for the wife, jhchrist i knew so many like this.
practicalmagic9 2 months ago
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@tylerdurden666able
"i can't give you the evidence you want."
That is a scary thing to admit. You're telling me you accept whatever you're told without reviewing the evidence!
I'd hate for you to be on a jury if I was unfortunate enough to be on trial for something.
"where exactly did i twist a quote from the bible. "
It's well known that Christians will always interpret bible quotations to suit their beliefs or say that it is analogous.
Google "Talk Origins"
Pigdowndog 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
"you are absolutely right, jesus did not come to wipe our ass and to coddle us like babies"
I've got to hand it to you Christians, you can twist any non ambiguous quote from the bible to fit your strange beliefs.
I tell you what, how about you produce evidence that this Jesus bloke actually existed at all.
Good luck with that!
Pigdowndog 2 months ago
The stories in the bible were written by many different people. But the editors were sleazy bastards to be sure. This book is such a product of its times, and though interesting as a historical document is only good as a door stop these days.
Wake up people! (Here's to wishing saying that was all it took!)
O2BSoLucky 2 months ago
Women can't speak in church huh? Yet another juicy verse to remember so I can bring it up every time a Christian tells me they follow the bible, and are the one true kind of christian ™, and therefore they are the only ones reading the entire bible in the most straight forward logical common sense way possible.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able " what were you saying about me not being clever? "
- To be fair.. you were the one who started accusing people of not being clever enough.
And you did it while spelling a word incorrectly.. which was pretty ironic.
Meanwhile, you're just typing post after post of pointless rationalizations.
Just an outsider's perspective. : )
Roper122 2 months ago
Why can't Christians get their story straight? Person A is a Christian and he claims that his understanding of god is verified by personal revelation from the said entity. Person B claims the same, but his understanding is different. So I mean what the fuck Christians? Is your god trolling you or what?
slipcurve 2 months ago
@slipcurve everyone's encounter with God is different. There's one truth though which you will only see if God shows you.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc
Or rather, there is no god and everyone is self-inducing and imagining these experiences (which happen in all religions btw).
I've heard this one before, but it doesn't make any sense. We are talking about doctrinal specifics, like what this supposed entity wants from humans etc. These are not supposed to be trivial and subjective.
To put it simply, if everyone's experience is different and also valid, this makes the whole premise invalid.
slipcurve 2 months ago
@mh4777abc "everyone's encounter with God is different.”
Therefore the god hypothesis make no useable predictions. It’s a useless notion.
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able If you were a bit more clever, you would know how to spell “metaphor”.
Seems to me Jesus spoke in a superstitious time where many people would believe you hands and eyes can “sin” against your will. You do realise that some countries still cut the hands off thieves? Wonder where they got that idea?
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Temple, not church. My mistake.
“yes jesus did say you were better off cutting your hand off if you cant control it”
My hand can make decisions by itself now?
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able And this?
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." - Jesus, Luke 19:27
Does not sound very loving or forgiving to me. Good thing there is no evidence even remotely suggesting any of it is real.
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Explain the parable in Luke 19:27. Who does the King represent?
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Did Jesus trash a church, or not? Did he whither a fig tree because it did wasn’t fig season? Did he cast demons into pigs? Did he ask people to hate their families, give up everything, and follow him? Did he Jesus say you should pluck out your eye if it offends you?
The answer to all these questions is “yes” and make me wonder why anyone would like to be like him.
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able “... if everyone lived like jesus we would have no problems...”
So we should all encourage families to break up, cut off our own hands and pluck out our eyes, give everything away, curse fig trees, trash churches, possess pigs with demons, and kill those who won't obey us?
askegg 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able When was the last time you think that the world was godly and running well?
kidigus 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
"find one thing jesus said that you dont agree with"
""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace
but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. "
Will that do?
Pigdowndog 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Luke 14:26 "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
That's one that I read as a child that chilled me. There are plenty more if you'd like.
Also, I haven't blamed religion for anything. I blame credulity.
kidigus 2 months ago
the new 10 commandments , dont screw others , dont steal their hard earned cash, dont threaten a fake hell, treat everyone as u really want to be treated , seek science/truth , question every fool who seems to know it all , i guess we only need 6 rules !
flexbrat 2 months ago
why ARE religious ppl so stupid ? its amazzzing to me ! and the fanatic/preachers are the worst of all just evil ! this book/bible is the worse piece of crap I have ever read ! just stupid 100%
flexbrat 2 months ago
At least he's got a nice ironic last name: Schaap being the Dutch word for a sheep..
Relloq 2 months ago
Oh I try to understand why people go to such trouble to try and prove Christianity wrong, but you can't because there is a mystery that is revealed to us for gods glory and you will only ever find it if you believe.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc Wait, so I have to believe before I can believe? That makes sense.
askegg 2 months ago 11
@mh4777abc How do you explain people who used to believe but then left after reading the bible?
BrotherAlpha 2 months ago
@BrotherAlpha Read your bible the answer is there: matthew 13.
also if you seek God with your whole heart you will find him, I know because I have done it.
go to church, get involved. you wont find the real truth on the internet.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc "I know because I have done it."
Billions of people say the same thing, but they think something completely different than you do. It is impossible for everyone of them to be right, but it is possible for everyone of them to be wrong.
Finding God with your heart is just another way of saying it's a delusion.
BrotherAlpha 2 months ago
@BrotherAlpha There's one truth, one religion and one God. His son is Jesus Christ. You don't know him.
Would you like to? because you can, church doors will always welcome you just walk on in.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc
How do you know that, ie what evidence for those positions do you have?
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez you ask that knowing full well I can't provide evidence for you. Ever heard of a little word called: faith?
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc “Faith” is believing without evidence, so it cannot count as evidence itself.
askegg 2 months ago
@mh4777abc
I didn't know it, though it's certainly true that I full well suspected it, and with good reason. Faith as askegg noted, is belief without evidence, on this basis and others it does not justify your position in the least. Not only is faith not a successful pathway to truth, it's made 0 progress over thousands of years. Thus your claims are merely baseless assertions, particularly the claim that one may "know him" which borders on lying.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez boy you have no idea what the truth is, I know there is a God because he has revealed himself to me and shown me a truth that has been with me all my life inside my heart.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc i agree with you 100% god has also shown himself to me as well.
fuck these atheist devil worshiping sinners. Lets us pray "ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER"
warrior152 2 months ago
@mh4777abc " I know there is a God because he has revealed himself to me “
How is that supped to impress me?
askegg 2 months ago 2
@askegg Well I guess if you can't even believe me, assuming I'm a liar then how can you believe anything or trust anyone?
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc I believe you had some sort of experience or emotion, but I cannot say what it was or experience it. I cannot verify it, or even begin to offer explanations as to what might have caused it. So what am I meant to do with such information? As I said, your personal experiences cannot impress me.
askegg 2 months ago
@mh4777abc
Your heart is a circulatory organ.
It pumps blood.
Unless God has revealed to you a secret of cholesterol management, he hasn't shown you a truth inside your heart.
And if he has, please share.
rkyeun 2 months ago
@rkyeun how do you know some much? it's as if you assume there is no God and he hasn't been apart of my life...
Get yourself down to church and best start believing buddy.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc
How do I know the heart is a circulatory organ? I paid attention in grade school.
At the time the Bible was written, people literally thought emotions came from your heart, as opposed to being chemical activity in the brain. The Bible repeats the mistaken information the authors of God didn't know, and wears the modern metaphor as a badge of proud ignorance.
Hence all the talk about knowing things in your heart, and not a single occurrence of the word BRAIN in the Bible.
rkyeun 2 months ago
@rkyeun it's still true what you say does come from your heart.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc
It is NOT still true. It was never true. The authors who wrote the part of God in the Bible didn't know any better, and that's why God as portrayed in the Bible is ALSO wrong on the subject. The character of God only displays the thoughts the authors had and things they believed.
No, what you say is thought about in your brain, and spoken with your mouth.
Emotions and thoughts DO NOT happen in the heart. Every warm feeling of love you get is happening in your brain.
rkyeun 2 months ago
@rkyeun you have alot to learn.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc
Indeed! I'm still studying what arrangements of neurons and patterns of brain activity and combinations of chemicals account for which emotions, in what concentrations.
I'm reading more about the heart, too. Did you know there are artificial hearts? And that people who have their hearts removed and replaced with these pumps don't suddenly lose all their thoughts and emotions?
Because those happen in the brain, not the heart.
rkyeun 2 months ago
@mh4777abc
One of you do at any rate.
itsjustameme 1 month ago
@mh4777abc
So your personal experiences, which are not only unknowable to me, but are subject to the shortcomings and failures of human neurology, reasoning, and logic counts as knowledge? Ok then you're knowledge is on equal footing with everything else. Bigfoot, alien abductions, lochness monster, fairies, the great juju, santa claus, etc... I don't call that truth, I call that delusion. You are the one who does not understand truth or knowledge in the least.
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@dookiecheez oh really, well prove that I don't understand. where is your evidence?
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc
You lost me, what is it that you want me to give evidence for?
dookiecheez 2 months ago
@mh4777abc "There's one truth, one religion and one God."
And Muslims say the same thing. Jews say the same thing. Hindus says the same thing (except for the one god thing).
Even Christians disagree with each other on key details within the Christian religion.
They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong.
BrotherAlpha 2 months ago
@mh4777abc there is no mystery about evil crap in the bible made by stupid men from the mideast , they are were stupid then an still now ! anyone who believes anycrap in the bible is a fool !
flexbrat 2 months ago
@mh4777abc LOLZ...you are really silly. I like that.
trueleroix 2 months ago
Hmm plenty of people are immoral together it doesn't specify rape at all. You cut him off and take things out of context. Well maybe you should look at the scripture that says 'the people of this world will think you are evil'.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc You obviously did not listen. Consensual acts between adults is are not immoral. And when did I suggest Jack was “evil”? Oh yeah, never. He is merely deluded and blinded by an accent superstition, like so many others. I pity you.
askegg 2 months ago 5
@askegg I'm not referring to gay people where would rape come in that? I'm just saying you may think you know everything about God but you don't. Just look at how Jesus came and dealt with stoning - he had nothing to do with it.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc Where did I mention gay people? Can you even read English?
askegg 2 months ago
@askegg oh right, never the less, its not rape.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc Then why is there a punishment?
askegg 2 months ago
@askegg hah yeh forced into marriage could be considered a punishment for some I guess.
These are long dead laws, no use arguing over them now when they go unpunished by humans in this day and age.
mh4777abc 2 months ago
@mh4777abc The reason we are no longer arguing over these old laws is because we have progressed. However, Jack is still arguing they are god’s law (I assume because it’s in Scripture), and our modern morality is corrupt. This is dangerous nonsense.
askegg 2 months ago
How does "we don't know about the situation" turn into "therefore all cases must be treated in this specific manner"?
beriukay 2 months ago
Why is this preacher reading the Old Testament anyhow? I thought the Christians no longer followed the law of the Old Testament?
KasparHauser6 2 months ago
@KasparHauser6 Only when it's inconvenient to do so... or when applied to themselves. The average Christian hypocrite is more than happy to scream for the OT regs to be applied to people they don't like or otherwise disapprove of, but Heaven forfend that it should be applied to -their- behaviour.
Muljinn 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able I didn't know that there was anyone out there who believes that people who are stoned to death in god's name go to heaven. I guess that would mean everyone goes to heaven.
You are quite right that I haven't studied the laws or the society of that time and I can only hope that people then did not consider these verses law at all, because many of them are truly silly, if not flat out disturbing. I further hope that folks today avoid using this book when drafting laws.
kidigus 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able In a way I agree. If the only language you speak is English then quoting or trying to explain the bible in any language is just silly.
Still, I've never read a translation of the old testament that sounds like anything more than laws and stories written by men in primitive Palestine.
kidigus 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able You have to remember that Deuteronomy also addresses the scenario where a woman consents to sex out of wedlock so, you probably don't think this passage refers to that. The law is clear that if it was consensual, they are both dead.
What did this man do that he has to pay the father and marry the woman?
kidigus 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Let us assume it's not rape; now the law is that she becomes a prostitute, her dad is her pimp and they all have to start making plans for the wedding.
Is that about right?
Would it make more sense if I read it in Hebrew or Greek?
kidigus 2 months ago
7:39
Askegg has come to kick ass and chew bubblegum.
And he is *all out* of bubblegum.
bowlsallbroken 2 months ago
I think the DTR paasasge could refer to either rape or consensual sex. Consent is not really an issue, since in the mind of the biblical author, a woman is not competent to consent to sex, only her father can consent for her.
HConstantine 2 months ago
Schaap is a Dutch name. It means 'sheep'.
Ignore the guy, he's just bleating.
Besides, that misogynist Cor 14 passage is an interpolation.
deemzje 2 months ago
Nothing can make an individual look more insensitive, barbaric, immoral, and just plain stupid than trying to defend the entirety of Biblical morality.
alphacause 2 months ago 2
If Jacks grand daughter was a victim of a brutal rape,would he personally marry the very unhappy couple ?
naybobdenod 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able If you bothered to research to phrases in Hebrew, you wouldn't have to ask.
moopism 2 months ago
@tylerdurden666able Listen to the question Jack is answering at 9:16. He is clearly treating the passage as if it says “rape” and does not bother correcting Kevin. Regardless of what the Bible may actually say many treat the passage to mean rape.
In any case, whether rape or not, the victim is has no option that to marry. Her wishes are never considered. These are the commandments directly from Jack’s perfect and holy book.
askegg 2 months ago
Baptist preachers like this man are uneducated and dangerous people who harm others with their indoctrinating ways. In contrast, educated people know that the bible has anthropological value in understanding why people of the desert created laws like that. Mainly for economic reasons because women were viewed as property and men had to present a dowry for the father of the woman if he wanted to marry her. Thus, the law to force marriage to pay the father of a rape victim. Woman had no rights
truvelocity 2 months ago
"Let your women keep silent."
There you have it, ladies! The Bible is sexist! But you will probably dismiss it as METAPHOR or NO LONGER APPLICABLE NOW. You all are pitiful! Some of you are probably feminist, which makes it even more pitiful!
MunkyDrag0n 2 months ago
I don't relate to the southern people of the U.S.
truvelocity 2 months ago
Stuff being forced to marry the arsehole, I would want his tackle cut off with a very blunt knife and then stuffed into his mouth.
krissyeh 2 months ago
Such ignorance is astounding.
bvwatcher2 2 months ago
What worth can the Bible possibly have if people can cherry-pick the bits they like and form their beliefs on that?
sugarcanegray 2 months ago 2
I wonder if a daughter of the Pastor actually was raped, if the pastor then would just love to get the rapist as his son in law. I doubt it. Hypocrites Christians do only follows their retarded Gods demands when it is convenient. Good vid.
bandoli66 2 months ago
@bandoli66 "It's easy to be a conservative when the rules only apply to others."
Keitaro2011 2 months ago 2
"Something sinister seems to be afoot." LMFAO
TheSeantague 2 months ago
The preacher says, "We don't know about the lady...We don't know if there's a lot more to the story than meets the eye."
If that's the case, then why didn't the *perfect* word of god simply include that need-to-know information, so we don't have to resort to conjecture? (Not that additional information is needed, BTW, as I agree with askegg's points concerning this topic.)
B0rn0nly0nce 2 months ago
Does anyone find it funny that "Schaap" (aa = middeltone between a and o) in Lowgerman is a sheep?
Valvallaria 2 months ago
Christians think that these passages about marrying your rapist are a joke. It's some theoretical stuff that can be discounted.
Well discount this shit:
watch?v=OyLus0EgKiE
First story, link below in the video, shows that this is happening NOW in Afghanistan. (The sickest part is that we Americans OWN that shithole, and we're doing nothing about it. After all, we don't want to offend their religious sensibilities.)
Rationalific 2 months ago
God really is a dick sometimes. Did I say sometimes? I meant to say always. Making slaves that don't like you, bending them to love you, and then making them serve you forever definitely sounds like a real asshole thing to do.
SuperBrobot 2 months ago
Great video as always.
I can't help think of Papa Lazarou at 4:17
"You're my wife now dave!"
GeneralMontague 2 months ago
As a lesbian I think its great that they are going to celibate girlfriends at there next women's meeting, or is that not what they meant :P
Fireflygamer 2 months ago
The thing that never ceases to amaze me is, not that this 'kind' of people sprout out nonsense and hatred, but that people willing believe them and follow them.
AthenaSchroedinger 2 months ago
Of course. in the mind of a fundy fuck-nut, if a white woman had been raped by a non-white man, all of a sudden Jeebus's law wouldn't seem so clear-cut.....
AuntieDiluvian 2 months ago
WHAT a sick fuck!
Tycetto 2 months ago
Ironically, in Dutch 'schaap' means 'a sheep'.
And these theologians want theocracy in the USA! Think about what that means.
dewinthemorning 2 months ago 2
@dewinthemorning Baa-aaha-ha-ha-ha awesome!
Paxmax 2 months ago
Let's consider the what kind of woman she was? Was she seductive?
Dumb fuck.
I have been "seduced", aroused and encouraged, by my ex. Who, literally, as i was about to enter the holiest of holies, changed her mind.
That is where is stops. It's not a hard concept to grasp, fuck nut. If someone, man or woman, says no, AT ANY POINT. Regardless of the events leading up to it. It ends.
Rape is never, ever, the victims fault.
Off111 2 months ago 4
If evil exists, its name is Religion.
lovelittlecats 2 months ago 3
@lovelittlecats Much as I want to agree with you, I can't. Religion is no more or less than any other ideology... a fraudulent, insane & malevolent ideology, but just an ideology all the same. The evil, if you will, resides in us, in our willingness to believe without evidence, our habit for accepting without question. As a child, those are useful traits to have, it helps to keep us safe until we're old enough to understand our world. It's just that people refuse to grow up.
Muljinn 2 months ago
@Muljinn I agree. However, I use this short, simple phrase a lot.... I'm trying to get across an idea in a way that will stick in people's minds.
Religion is thought of as somehow instrinsically 'good', this is never questioned by many people.
On a superficial level, I hope this little phrase will at least sow the seeds of doubt in some people's minds. We can't expect Bible-Belters to understand about "fraudulent ideologies" when they can't understand even basic ideas.
Peace x
lovelittlecats 2 months ago
wow.
julzabro 2 months ago
I firmly believe that it's misogynistic men who want to use the "word of God" as their law because it was written by men, and thus doesn't matter what women want, because "God's law" is all about what a man does, and women are second class citizens according to the Bible...
Just wondering, does a vicar/priest/whatever running a church service on Sunday count as "working"? If so, can we stone them to death? It's what the Bible says we must do :-P
THEMrFill 2 months ago
@THEMrFill Ooh, good point, hadn't thought about that.
Muljinn 2 months ago
I had forgotten about Jack. Several months ago I had intended to name him "Dim Bulb of the Week."
WildwoodClaire1 2 months ago
@WildwoodClaire1
Time to revive that thought I think!
He is clearly a strong candidate for it.
FatRakoon 2 months ago
A very wise man once said GOD spelled from behind is DOG ;-)
blackpajamas1 2 months ago
It's always nice to watch your video!
intubatto 2 months ago
Decent video, but let's leave the 'Obey' frames on the cutting-room floor, where they belong.
Skindoggiedog 2 months ago
yeah, what's up with the subliminal shite?
runestone72 2 months ago 4
@runestone72 OBEY!
askegg 2 months ago 9
@askegg They Live! Wow, haven't seen that in yonks!
Direkin 2 months ago
@Direkin I hear there is a remake in the works. Normally I do not approve of remakes, but this is and Soylent Green.crying out for it.
askegg 2 months ago
@runestone72
LOL I saw it and I immediately laughed... I knew EXACTLY what the uploader was doing.
If you didnt, then ... Well... Then you didnt get the video did you?
FatRakoon 2 months ago
I've got ONE book - so therefore it's God's book! Stupid thinking!
flyingfisbeefilms 2 months ago
OBEY SKELETON SAYS OBEY
Plausiblesarge 2 months ago 3
I like your video's message, but I didn't Ike the flashes of the word obey with the skull and such. I understand that I am being a bit of a baby, but I watched the video to hear your responses to this idiot, not to be startled
misternu 2 months ago
Hmmm, so my glasses are special! I can see the obey message.
edpeterson1 2 months ago
Another deluded religious zealot.
MrWagman11 2 months ago
That obey scared the hell outta me.
DaManCallahan 2 months ago
Obey.
lolx0rz 2 months ago
Is the video up anywhere else? Maybe another site? I missed it & would really like to see it.
sheri226 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
This guy is just about on the same level of fred phelps, i'm surprised he hasn't made any " God hates fags" signs yet.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 2 months ago
They Live! Oh I love that movie!
juggaloryan3 2 months ago