Go (Baduk, Weiqi) - Counting The Final Score

[Yemsky]

Thank you for this overall informative video.

I am a beginner, so forgive me, but you completely threw me at 2:27

"31 ahhhh, let's make it 40" - Huh!?!?!

I guess you have 14 in the top right are of the board and 26 in the top left. Is that how you got 40?

[BadukChannelAmerica]

@Yemsky No. at 2:27, I was counting white's territory (not white stones). At that moment, it was 31... 1 empty space on the top left corner & 30 on the bottom (6x5). Other empty spaces are black's territory. I made it 40 by take away 9 white stones - 10 on the top left corner (4x3-2) & 30 on the bottom (6x5).

[tyuo9980]

for the chinese counting i wouldnt count every individual stone. i would just reform the shape to make it a square and add them up. its similar to the japanese way, but i just include the stones in the math. this way you dont have to worry about any prisoners.

[Xennia2493]

Interesting, I count the japanese way because it is easier and quicker for me, I also move the stones within the territories but I always make sure black or white has no connection in the territories, it is easier for me because I can lose count easily, this way that I use is alright?

[SamuelCish]

nice, im from the memphis area go club. our clubs need to meet up in jackson or somthing.

[Andulvar]

I agree, the Japanese way of counting was how I was taught, some of my friends who started playing a few years later started using the Chinese way so some games were getting pretty confusing

[theincrediblepeep]

Very helpful. I was very intimidated by Chinese counting until actually seeing it done.

[Retartedsk8rz]

if u throw away 2 white stones wouldnt that be a disadvantage for White or an Advantage for them?

[BadukChannelAmerica]

In Chinese counting, it doesn't matter.

(Points=Territory+stones)

If you throw away 2 stones, then +2 in territory, -2 in stones.)

[Gerstein1]

@BadukChannelAmerica On the other hand, the Chinese counting is one more for every move. So the chinese +2 -2 would be the same as the japanese -2 because you achieved nothing with the other moves.

[Zahlman]

At 5:17, don't you throw away 2 live White stones before proceeding to count White's score by Chinese counting?

[Zahlman]

Oh, never mind; they're thrown away from inside White territory.

[InCharacter]

In an official match, will the scoring system selected be announced beforehand? Komsayhopneda

[BadukChannelAmerica]

Yes, of course :)

[lix99go]

How does Korean count then?

[BadukChannelAmerica]

In Korea, the Japanese Counting is used.

[mundungus23]

Note that the American Go Association rules (also recently adopted by the British Go Association) allow you to count in the more convenient Japanese way, without complications like the special bent-four-in-the-corner rule mentioned in this video. The essential difference is that, in AGA rules, when you pass, you give the opponent a stone as a prisoner. White must pass last, guaranteeing that both players play the same number of moves.

[BadukChannelAmerica]

Oh, thanks a lot for the information!!

[Kakumei]

good video Eddie!!

[BadukChannelAmerica]

Thanks :)

[Modoc5000]

Thanks for explaining the counting. I have not fully understood the Chinese counting rules. I am not sure I fully understand it now but I do have more insight into it now.. I like the Japanese counting rules. But I do like the Chinese handicapping rules.

[BadukChannelAmerica]

Basically, in the Chinese counting, you count all the points in the territory and all the stones. if you pause at 2:10 and count them, you can see white has 82. (31 pts + 51 stones). The video shows you the easier-and-clearer way to count. (adding 9 pts and subtracting 9 stones gets the same result.) ...I should've made it better. Thanks for the comment :)