The third model seems more "soldier friendly" with it's slightly shorter length and slightly streamlined stock work. The stock drop does not seem to extreme either. I would bet this musket has a balance feel to it that is very appealing.
It looks like you are using a far too short Flint. This way, not the flint hits the Steel, but the Top Jaw or the Cock Screw, and might damage those Parts.
the barrel is .75 caliber, the ball was only a .68 due to the build-up of residue in the barrel making it incredibly difficult to reload after repeated firing
Depends on the type of replica it is. Some are well made but are sold without the vent in the barrell being drilled, therefore it cant be fired and if you were to drill the vent yourself, technically you'd be turning it into a live firearm. The Bess in my video 'could' fire if it werent put beyond use by having a bar welded into the barrell, I removed the bar but drilled a number of holes in the underside of the barrell just to keep on the right side of the law :oD
That's too bad that you can't even legally fire a musket where you are at. I am in Upstate (rural) New York and love firing these guns. IO mean, they ARE certainly as lethal as they ever were - and many a man has died from the Brown Bess - but it's not like you are going to hold up a store or start a war with one. Black powder guns are a passion of history lovers - not a martial weapon.
@offspring94swe you will only be on the wrong side of the law if you drill the vent hole in EU. In America, anything that uses black powder isn't a fire arm. They are classified as something different. Only cartridge weapons are considered guns.
This is how I could buy a cap and ball revolver at 18. If it was a peace maker I would have to be 21.
Order yours from MVTCO, fired mine over 150 times with both .690 and .715 Round ball and 2F Black powder, greased pillow ticking for patch bought at walmart for ~$3.50 a yard = ~ 700 shots, no broken fingers or exploded barrels yet, shoots just fine.
Hi, I got mine from 'Waterloo Nutcase', they had a large number of reproductions from 'Sharpes Challenge'. The one I got was a cheaper, basic prop which I did some woodworking and aging on to make it look more authentic.
well, there was only one issue i had and that was that i had to make some mods to the bayonet. nothing major tho, it has fired evertime and as with every gun i own i rust out the barrel and fire it. works like a charm.
I own one. I do Alamo and Battle of Goliad re-enactments. At Goliad my main spring broke! Had to go to Dixiegunworks and order. Ordered two. 80.00 bucks. Oh, I've seen prices for the bess at 925.00-955.00! I got mine for 800.00 back in 2003 when I worked in the film "The Alamo".
Myself and 30 others use these everyday in the summer as part of our jobs. they are very reliable. I have been using mine for 4 summers. Over 1000 shots per summer. We had to upgrade and buy new Davide pedersoli rifles, but they are not as good. In our armoury we have about 50 Indian patterns and about 30 of our new pedersoli muskets.
It's a 3rd model, you can see the sideplate without tail (the 2nd have tail), and only three pipes against the four of the 2nd model, etc. Very nice gun, I have one made by Fabricaciones Militares in the 60's, very strong and heavy. I think the 3er model is the fastest to load.
Google "Loyalist Arms" It is a company in Nova Scotia, Canada that deals in exact replicas of these. You can order them with the touch holes not drilled so they count as a non firing replica under canadian and India's law. If you chose to make it a firing replica you would simply drill the correct size hole in the proper place and bingo.
Lovely weapon there CroppyBoy. I've just picked up a 'trade pattern' rifle which apparently dates from the later 19th century. It came as part of a deal for a 1862 Pattern-1853 Three Band Enfield, a Snider-Enfield and an 1879 Martini-Henry II. I decided to go earlier than the Lee-Metford! Great vid, thanks. Cheers, Matt
this looks like the 2nd model not the 3rd. i can tell by the nose cap, and the rammer and the lock. but im sure its a 3rd because of the butt plate. the 2nd and first have a more of a curve in it.
When I got this 'Bess' it was pure 3rd model, ie no hand rail, no beaver tail and not much shape to it, so I did a little woodworking on it, modified the nosecap slightly and made it more 'curvy' ;o)
I have seen VERY plain 3rd models and then some very well made 3rd models, depends on if they were made privately or not, or made by the EIC or back in the UK.
Very nice. I have an original that is 207 years old! Naturally I don't even try to shoot it but I wish it could speak. Imagine the stories it could tell!
Hard to put an exact price on them, all depends on the particular model, condition etc etc, the going rate at the moment seems to be anywhere between £1500 up to £2500 (British sterling)
I purchased a kit from Dixie Gun Works about 15 years ago. A very faithful reproduction and I can shoot it without worry. Better have above average metal and wood working skills though. Brass parts are all sand cast and require a bit of work to finish.
my favourite
wojsport 4 months ago
@darkmatter265 No Norway is
1FishJelly 5 months ago
is this musket from "militaryheritage" ?
ElijahMFearon 9 months ago
The third model seems more "soldier friendly" with it's slightly shorter length and slightly streamlined stock work. The stock drop does not seem to extreme either. I would bet this musket has a balance feel to it that is very appealing.
GatorWeiss 1 year ago
It looks like you are using a far too short Flint. This way, not the flint hits the Steel, but the Top Jaw or the Cock Screw, and might damage those Parts.
LutzDerLurch 1 year ago
in switzerland u just give ur name and number and u can buy any type of mussleloader straight away :)
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Tutu0alex 1 year ago
were did you get it
ussr19411945 1 year ago
the barrel is .75 caliber, the ball was only a .68 due to the build-up of residue in the barrel making it incredibly difficult to reload after repeated firing
IIGECKOII 1 year ago
where di u get that musket im tryin to find one but i cant?
cartoonman12345 1 year ago
@cartoonman12345 Dixie Gun works, I don't know if they ship to Canada though
entmage 1 year ago
@entmage Thancks
fortyorkdrum 1 year ago
Thanks Croppy, lovely job. I use a model 3 as an 1812 history re-enactor in Canada. The shorter barrel is a god-send for bush work.
shaymus48 1 year ago
besides Canada, But i hate the weapon laws
KozMick1 1 year ago
Nice vid. Thanks for sharing.
UnkleMusket 2 years ago
@darkmatter265 I'll move to the U.S. i'm pretty sick about some laws in my country (espicially the weapon laws)
Orkunis 2 years ago
how old are you?
carlern55 2 years ago
I have recentlly got a fine replica from Miroku. (costed me like 1100$...)
Well, I am a Japanese living in Japan. So, I cannot own a real gun I can fire, and the barrel got its underside cut.
I guess you guys in USA or some countries Europe can have the one you can actually fire. I emvy that.
Still, my replica musket is beautiful and it gives me good fun when I polish her though.
AutomaticJam 2 years ago
There's a reason we still use muzzleloaders today.
TriggerHappyLunatics 2 years ago 5
will you technically be able to fire a replica fintlock pistol?
offspring94swe 2 years ago
Depends on the type of replica it is. Some are well made but are sold without the vent in the barrell being drilled, therefore it cant be fired and if you were to drill the vent yourself, technically you'd be turning it into a live firearm. The Bess in my video 'could' fire if it werent put beyond use by having a bar welded into the barrell, I removed the bar but drilled a number of holes in the underside of the barrell just to keep on the right side of the law :oD
CroppyBoy1798 2 years ago
That's too bad that you can't even legally fire a musket where you are at. I am in Upstate (rural) New York and love firing these guns. IO mean, they ARE certainly as lethal as they ever were - and many a man has died from the Brown Bess - but it's not like you are going to hold up a store or start a war with one. Black powder guns are a passion of history lovers - not a martial weapon.
feurzug 2 years ago 2
you can fire them but often they wont have the vent hole and the locks are made out of cheap metals and break very quickly
BtoZproductions 2 years ago
@offspring94swe you will only be on the wrong side of the law if you drill the vent hole in EU. In America, anything that uses black powder isn't a fire arm. They are classified as something different. Only cartridge weapons are considered guns.
This is how I could buy a cap and ball revolver at 18. If it was a peace maker I would have to be 21.
saviorslegacy 1 year ago
nothing beats a well crafted flintlock.
docteridk99 2 years ago 4
@docteridk99 Right on!
banjopickinjonesey 4 months ago
henry krank :) or just search around
kujo665 2 years ago
its a replica or a really weapon ?
akos12345678 2 years ago
its a REAL Replica if you know what i mean lol. yes it fires. no bullets in a reenactment though.
ccmpro1234 2 years ago
lovely flintlock!
brakeus 3 years ago
Nice but im a Rifle man meself Baker Rifles. Now thats what im talking about.
You still got 5 stars from me
AndyFisher142 3 years ago
The Bess.. a beautiful piece of history for those that enjoy it. 5 stars, thank you for this.
DrTrang 3 years ago
Order yours from MVTCO, fired mine over 150 times with both .690 and .715 Round ball and 2F Black powder, greased pillow ticking for patch bought at walmart for ~$3.50 a yard = ~ 700 shots, no broken fingers or exploded barrels yet, shoots just fine.
Yourassismine2 3 years ago
I have the 2nd model from there and it has yet to miss fire. only when there is build up on the frizzen
ccmpro1234 2 years ago
so say if my dad/mom ordered a flintlock off of ebay he/she would not need a licence
bowlchamp411 3 years ago
no lisence needed until you want to fire it right?
billboi92 3 years ago
No license needed as this is a non firing replica, a movie prop for 'Sharpes Challenge' :o)
CroppyBoy1798 3 years ago
Why would you need a licence to fire it for?
berserkergang24 3 years ago
Here in Ireland there are very strict gun controls, I believe you need a shotgun licence to fire black powder guns.
CroppyBoy1798 3 years ago
u.k laws are strict, but their is a substance you can use in a muzzleloader in britian that isnt black powder and you do not need a lisence
billboi92 3 years ago
actually. anyone can own a realistic replica firearm if it was from before 1860. :>
schaeferstriker 3 years ago
im guessin smokeless powder?
they used it in their brown bess muskets later on cause of the smoke black powder created
tecna64 2 years ago
I'd be more inclined to say no powder myself
porckmaster890 2 years ago
were did you get yours? I just got a 1st model mod. from middlesex. that looks like a good gun
ccmpro1234 3 years ago
Hi, I got mine from 'Waterloo Nutcase', they had a large number of reproductions from 'Sharpes Challenge'. The one I got was a cheaper, basic prop which I did some woodworking and aging on to make it look more authentic.
CroppyBoy1798 3 years ago
hey ccmpro i got my 1st model at MSVTco too. you as happy with yours as i am with mine?
lambofgodx44 3 years ago
well, there was only one issue i had and that was that i had to make some mods to the bayonet. nothing major tho, it has fired evertime and as with every gun i own i rust out the barrel and fire it. works like a charm.
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apizzolo 3 years ago
Putting your finger in the trigger guard while cocking it is NOT a good idea. Ask me how I know.... ;D
95thFoot 3 years ago
how do you know
Grasshopper257 3 years ago
I own one. I do Alamo and Battle of Goliad re-enactments. At Goliad my main spring broke! Had to go to Dixiegunworks and order. Ordered two. 80.00 bucks. Oh, I've seen prices for the bess at 925.00-955.00! I got mine for 800.00 back in 2003 when I worked in the film "The Alamo".
stansell1 3 years ago
How much would you sell it for 41 dollers i will take it
MermaidTears 4 years ago
41 dollars?Lol!How about 400 dollars?
Tsagia 3 years ago
Myself and 30 others use these everyday in the summer as part of our jobs. they are very reliable. I have been using mine for 4 summers. Over 1000 shots per summer. We had to upgrade and buy new Davide pedersoli rifles, but they are not as good. In our armoury we have about 50 Indian patterns and about 30 of our new pedersoli muskets.
ianturpin 4 years ago
It's a 3rd model, you can see the sideplate without tail (the 2nd have tail), and only three pipes against the four of the 2nd model, etc. Very nice gun, I have one made by Fabricaciones Militares in the 60's, very strong and heavy. I think the 3er model is the fastest to load.
brownbess1967 4 years ago
we owned da french wit dat gun !!!
BIGFACE08 4 years ago
very nice, u noe where i can get a non firable British issued musket and a Baker rifle?
LuizFelipeXavier 4 years ago
Google "Loyalist Arms" It is a company in Nova Scotia, Canada that deals in exact replicas of these. You can order them with the touch holes not drilled so they count as a non firing replica under canadian and India's law. If you chose to make it a firing replica you would simply drill the correct size hole in the proper place and bingo.
oldsmobile96 4 years ago
May i just ask, where could you get a firable musket as you have in the video? Thx
DNC1872333 4 years ago
Lovely weapon there CroppyBoy. I've just picked up a 'trade pattern' rifle which apparently dates from the later 19th century. It came as part of a deal for a 1862 Pattern-1853 Three Band Enfield, a Snider-Enfield and an 1879 Martini-Henry II. I decided to go earlier than the Lee-Metford! Great vid, thanks. Cheers, Matt
Jollygreenslugg 4 years ago
well i guess your right if you wanna sell it to me 4 $675 i'll take it.
ccmpro1234 4 years ago
this looks like the 2nd model not the 3rd. i can tell by the nose cap, and the rammer and the lock. but im sure its a 3rd because of the butt plate. the 2nd and first have a more of a curve in it.
ccmpro1234 4 years ago
When I got this 'Bess' it was pure 3rd model, ie no hand rail, no beaver tail and not much shape to it, so I did a little woodworking on it, modified the nosecap slightly and made it more 'curvy' ;o)
I have seen VERY plain 3rd models and then some very well made 3rd models, depends on if they were made privately or not, or made by the EIC or back in the UK.
CroppyBoy1798 4 years ago
cool i mus get one o them ha ! mus get mus get innit lol
piddypotter 4 years ago
i need a model 1 brown bess i just joined the 24th and i need one anyone know where to get one?
ccmpro1234 4 years ago
A beautiful piece of history!
MrInvisible98 4 years ago
nice weapon lol wud dat kill a guy with 1 shot with it been an old gun ??????
BIGFACE08 4 years ago
You can bet the bullet would leave a big hole in you lol!
Look at the bore on the thing.
zaohad1 4 years ago
yer i know wot u saying lol da bore is big but wud it ave gd presure on impact ????? from like a gd distance 50 yards etc???
BIGFACE08 4 years ago
I own a reproduction and fire it often. Kill you, damn straight it would. That .75 caliber ball packs more punch than a shotgun slug.
albionsseed 4 years ago
I own one.
jesserenda1 4 years ago
Very nice. I have an original that is 207 years old! Naturally I don't even try to shoot it but I wish it could speak. Imagine the stories it could tell!
BigLisaFan 4 years ago
I'm sure it could tell many a tale! Unfortunately a real Bess was beyond my price range (for now), so the replica will fill the spot.
CroppyBoy1798 4 years ago
I obtained mine way back in 1972 long before the prices went up. Any idea what they are worth now?
BigLisaFan 4 years ago
Hard to put an exact price on them, all depends on the particular model, condition etc etc, the going rate at the moment seems to be anywhere between £1500 up to £2500 (British sterling)
CroppyBoy1798 4 years ago
I purchased a kit from Dixie Gun Works about 15 years ago. A very faithful reproduction and I can shoot it without worry. Better have above average metal and wood working skills though. Brass parts are all sand cast and require a bit of work to finish.
albionsseed 4 years ago
Hey youve got a good sense of history BigLIsaFan.
I think that too when looking at old things especially military ones.
zaohad1 4 years ago
It was just a stroke of luck when mine came up for sale. I just wonder about the stories it could tell if it could talk!
BigLisaFan 4 years ago
nice gun!
rockinflamez 4 years ago
How about a live firing?
mingthecat 4 years ago
What music is that playing?
elitecakeofdoom 4 years ago
Sounds like part of Handels 'Water Music'
jhairyface 4 years ago
It was a Handel piece alright, I cant remember off hand which one I used.
CroppyBoy1798 4 years ago
It's from the 'Water Music , Suite No1 'Air'.
Which is the 7th piece in the suite. Yay!!
jhairyface 4 years ago
I want one.
Zwerchhau 4 years ago
The most beautiful weapon ever, i wish i never sold mine...
mikey29211 5 years ago
Cheers Fwbs ;o)
CroppyBoy1798 5 years ago
nice vid
Fwbs 5 years ago