I started making jokes of this man's ears but by the end of his sermon the joke was on me. I now understand that the Seventh day is God's true day of worship and not the Sunday Sabbath. That's a shocker!!
4) "Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?" - Matt 12:5
Where does the law say this? Numbers 28:9...So Numbers is in the law...
These references clearly embrace all the five books of Moses as "the law." So when you use the term "the law", you are using it incorrectly. You want it to mean "ONLY" the 10C's, but that's unscriptural.
Until you understand this basic point, you'll continue to get it wrong.
1) "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says." I Corinthians 14:34
Where does the law say this? Genesis 3:16...So Genesis is in the law...
2) "For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet" - Romans 7:7
Where does the law say this? Exodus 20:17...So Exodus is in the law...
The Millerites were Sunday keepers, yet the SDA Church holds to Miller and his Movement as a great thing. Really, they were no different to Harold Camping's movement today, trying to put a date on the end of the world when the bible clearly says we are not too.
@TheKotek1 I know exactly what the SDA church and their right wing agenda is about. And I am not poor, and the only way I could be a little thing to you is if you are overweight from eating all those carb loaded vegetarian meals. I also read my bible daily. Maybe you should step outside of the SDA church for once and see the bigger picture.
If God can be worshiped on sunday, then the act of worshiping God on sunday is not the "mark of the beast".
Having said that though, the worship of the beast can still be related to sunday possibly. He could ask all to worship him on sunday, but that does not mean that God himself can't be worshiped on sunday. Satan has received worship on every day of the week throughout the ages, even on saturday, but that doesn't take away the worship of God that occurs on other days as well.
Its not the day that determines who you worship, otherwise worshiping on saturday would mean you are worshiping the saturn god, or to go to church on wednesday the god odin. The days belong to God, so if you worship God on any day, you need not fear. It's WHO you are worshiping that you need to fear.
@Myhopeisinhim Do not fear, beacouse you love him you will follow his commandments, God created all in 6 days, on seventh day he rested how much more info do you need?????????????????
The Mark that you put in your forehead and in your right hand is the mark of the beast (666). It is not the mark that to remember God's laws...and we even don't need to put a mark just to remember God's law...It's better to read your Bible than to put a mark in your forehead and in your right hand.
Satan wants worship. I believe God is revealing His true calendar in these last days so His people will not be caught in the snare of satan. Satan will deceive almost the whole world in keeping the day of the sun. Many will receive the mark of the beast simply because we refuse to believe the word of God.
Satan wants worship. I believe God is revealing His true calendar in these last days so His people will not be caught in the snare of satan. Satan will deceive almost the whole world in keeping the day of the sun. Many will receive the mark of the beast simply because we refuse to believe the word of God.
I think the 7th day churches should really be alarmed when the US adopt the calendar use by the EU countries. Seventh day sabbathkeepers will then be keeping Sunday the seventh day holy. Ellen White said, " When SUNDAY OBSERVANCE shall be enforced by law....those who continue in transgression will receive "the mark of the beast." It is Sunday observance we should be aware of. We need to consider Gods calendar when determining our holy days. Dissect Gen 1:14 Lev 23:1-3 Ps 104:19
@SoldierOfChrist110 you should look up the roman numerals in the encyclopedia, then take" Vicarius Filii Dei "( which is the title of all the popes) chosen by themselves Then give every letter in the title its numerical equal in roman numerals. 0 for letters that dont have numbers, when you are done add up all the roman numerals and see for yourself what numbers you get. see for yourself who the bible tells you the beast is. Light and love!
@SoldierOfChrist110 Islam was created by Rome and now they both are working together. Even if you do not like it...cose you are muslim?. On top they are working together, and yes they are using Koran. (cose is very against the Jesus)
The religions of the world were created by the enemy and his people, some of which are the illuminati, who are running the world scene. The catholic church is as much a puppet as Islam is.
Yep, let's believe, homosexuals will suddenly start going to church on Sunday. Jewish people will suddenly go to church. Radical muslims who bomb christians and non muslims will suddenly stop going to church on Friday and go on Sunday.
Lev 23:7 In the first day you shall have a holy convocation: you shall do no work therein.
Exd 12:16 And in the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
@Eazysunshine ive worn the same colors before, and i have seen many others, it doesnt mean that a person is a free mason, sometimes yes, but i doubt john lomacang is. i certainly am not one.
I believe the Mark of the Beast will be a day of worship but also they will have to give us a real Mark if they don't then how are they going to know what day we worship they won't. case closed. The Verichip is the Mark. With out it you will not be able to buy or sell.
Your righteousness is not determined on whether you have a computer chip inside of you. The Bible has given us the rules for defining what the Mark is. The Old Testament tells you that the mark or sign was God's law, placed in their foreheads and their hands. Satan's mark is the opposite. It represents HIS laws. A chip is not a law. It is a tool to control men to keep the commandments of men. And the heart of that mark is Sunday Worship. Case closed.
@Lysimachus78 I sure hope you do some more research before you go thru with what you're assuming. For it is written in Rev13:16"he also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to recieve a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark" Many people will be decieved, I hope you're not fooled ...stay prayerful, and seek the truth in The Lord Lysimachus78
@deanjh24 The truth is Revelation 13:16 It says: "the BEAST forced EVERYONE, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless the BEAST had the mark"
@deanjh24 The truth is Revelation 13:16 It says: "the BEAST forced EVERYONE, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless the BEAST had the mark" God didn't force everyone to do his will
I sent you a PM that addresses this issue. I most certainly agree that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit. The question is, what does the Holy Spirit impress or seal in the forehead?
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the WORD OF TRUTH, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed WITH that holy Spirit of promise." (Eph 1:13)
What is sealed by with the Holy Spirit? The WORD OF TRUTH! The Holy Spirit is the sealing agent that writes the Law of God in your heart. In essence, the Holy Spirit in your heart is the agent that regenerates the heart with God's law. Enough said.
Sorry, the text is plain :) The Seal is the Holy Spirit. It's all quite simple when you consider that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Where was God's presence during the Old Covenant? In the Holiest of Holies above the wooden ark. Where is His presence in the New Covenant? Inside of us! Praise His name! God the Holy Spirit is the Seal...
Also, you got the "Law of God" from "word of truth"? That's some serious eisgesis there...
Nope, sorry. I have already explained to you the issues involved. Besides, the Gospel Seal of Ephesians 1 and 4 is not the same as the end-time seal in Revelation 7:2-8 and chapter 14. The gospel seal is only a part of the sealing process. Revelation 14:1 declares that this seal is the "Father's name" that is written "in their foreheads". Exodus 34:4,5 declares that the "Name of the Lord" is the Ten Commandments. The final-end-time seal is intrinsically tied to God's Moral Law.
@Hawg Just admit that your heart is rebelliously set against God's eternal law, & u REALLY don't want to do what He says. U will continue to stubbornly build your faith on a false gospel, which will take u nowhere near those pearly gates as long as your train is set dead on toward lawless living. God isn't playing games. Those who refuse to accept that God's Sabbath is HIS seal will come up to the timing of the plagues & only then realize that they needed to be hewed & squared for the building.
"Eternal" Law? That would be funny if it wasn't so sad :( At the heart of the stone commands of the covenant is the Sabbath commandment. The Sabbath was "made"...how can something that is "made" be eternal? And I am not without Law, not at all. I am under Christ's Law (Gal 6:2; I Cor 9:21).
Seems like you need to clarify some terms. What is the covenant God made with Israel at Sinai? (Exodus 34:28; Deut 4:13; 9:9,11; Heb 9:4)
Once something is made, it becomes "eternal". But God had already many worlds before the earth, & these worlds had their own Sabbath. The covenant God made with Sinai at Israel is simply a re-integration of the Everlasting Covenant that was mentioned in Gen. 9:16 & ratified by the blood of Christ in Heb 13:20. The Old Cov. was the Everlasting Covenant broken by the poor promises of Israel. The New Covenant was the Everlasting Covenant restored, recaptured, & made better by Christ's blood.
You wrote, "Once something is made, it becomes "eternal"." So all of the 613 commandments made for Israel are eternal?
And, you didn't answer the question...here's the verse for you:
"Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments." - Exodus 34:28
Let's try this again: What are the words of the Covenant with Israel from Sinai?
I notice you have a strong tendency that when I pin you down on one point, you like to jump to different subjects that are slightly related, but not quite related. I consider this very poor ethics when it comes to sound dialogue. Keep in mind that numerous laws out of the 613 laws were re-iterated by Paul in the New Testament, such as issues concerning homosexuality. The words of the covenant with Israel from Sinai were the Ten Commandments.
Galatians 4:21-31 is a perfect example as to why we are to keep the law. Indeed, the Hagar, the bondwoman, represented the Old Covenant. Sarah, the freewoman, represented the New Covenant. Why is this? Because Abraham was attempting to fulfill the promises of God through works, through the bondwoman, Hagar, and not having faith in God that He could have a son through His wife who was aged. Therefore, when he finally decided to have faith, God blessed Him with a son. (cont.)
You wrote, "Galatians 4:21-31 is a perfect example as to why we are to keep the law." Only a person with an agenda could take Paul's counsel to "cast off" the Covenant from Sinai as meaning we should keep the covenant from Sinai...
Concerning Gal 4:21-31, you seem to fail to understand that there is a difference between a covenant and the words of a covenant. In Ex 24:6-8, we are told that Moses took the blood of the covenant "concerning all these words" In verse 7, the people said "all that the Lord hath said, we will do". The Covenant at Sinai that vanished was not the words themselves, rather, it was in the way Israel promised--they failed, they sought the law of righteousness by works. But the law still stands.
I think I have repeated to you more than once now that I believe the Ten Commandments were the Covenant made with Israel. What you fail to understand, however, is that the actual words on the Ten Commandments were not "the covenant", rather the tables were--the binding agreement. You can deny that the words are intrinsically tied to the New Covenant all you want, but that will not change the fact that the New Testament authors profusely quoted from them, including Christ Himself.
(cont.) Your problem is u are mixing up the concept of a covenant being cast aside, and a law being cast aside. In Heb 8:8-10, we find that the fault was not with the law, but with Israel. Therefore the New Covenant promise is to take those SAME laws & write them in their hearts. If it remains in stone, it is death. But if it transfers from stone to the heart, it brings life! Therefore, all who want to truly do what is right will keep the 10 Commandments by faith, in Spirit, & in Truth!
"Same law"...then do you observe the entire Law and its mitzvot? The "law" is NOT the Ten Commandments only. You keep presenting this but it is error. The "Law" is the entore Torah and its 613 commandments.
You promote that this is the Law written on our hearts and yet you don't observe it...what gives? The Ten Commandments alone are never called "the law of the Lord" nor "the law of God." Not once in Scripture...no where.
"The Law" sometimes referred to only the Ten Commandments. "The Law" sometimes referred to BOTH the Ten Comm. and the rest of the 603 laws. "The Law" sometimes referred to only the 603 laws. Nonetheless, 10 out of the 613 were seared in stone, emphasizing their "perpetual" obligation for all man-kind, especially when we see the earthly sanctuary was patterned after the heavenly. Context demands which Law Paul is talking about. It doesn't take a Ph.D. to figure this out.
It is absolutely theologically and Biblically impossible to conclude that the Ten Commandments were abolished with the Old Covenant. If your theology were true, Paul and James sure messed up the New Covenant. In James 2:10-12, we have James quoting 2 of the Ten Commandments, and stating "so speak ye, and so DO". In Eph 6:1,2, we have Paul quoting the 5th. In Rom. 13:8-10, Paul quotes at least 6 of the Ten Commandments. In Rom. 2:12-14, Paul states only "doers" can be justified.
There you go again not reading an entire section and prooftexting...I noticed you didn't respond to my thoughts on Isaiah. Why did you just ignore them?
Let's do the same with how you have butchered James 2. It is speaking of the SAME LAW throughout the whole passage. What law is that? Let me ask, what is the Royal Law?
"If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right." James 2:8
I did not butcher James 2. Loving your neighbor as yourself in verse 8 is a "summary" of the second table, which describes HOW to "reveal" that love to your neighbor, in the last 6 commandments. But James in 2:10-12, unequivocally, unambiguously, and unapologetically, infused his emphasis as emanating from the Ten Commandments by quoting 2 that expressly come from the Ten. The fact saying "so SPEAK ye and so DO" emphatically implies that the "WHOLE" MORAL law being spoken of here.
The Royal Law of Liberty is the Ten Commandments. To keep them in spirit and in truth, by faith, releases from the bondage and shackles of sin. All the other laws of Christ are "magnifications" or "extensions" rather of the Ten Commandments, not replacements. Christ's job was to show the spirit of the law, which goes so far as to stress that more than just committing adultery, we should not even think it by looking upon a woman that is not for us to have.
"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS. " (Matthew 22:37-40)
It does not take a Ph.D. to recognize that the second table is a summation of our duty and love toward man in the last 6.
"But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee ALL THE COMMANDMENTS, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do [them] in the land which I give them to possess it." (Deut 5:31)
The focus of Deut 5 is the Ten Comm. Moses declared "ALL" the commandments to be referring to the Ten, then he goes on to explain the rest. Also, the phrase "whole law" is used in 2 Chron. 33:8 as referring to commandments distinct from the others.
"I will not again make the feet of the Israelites leave the land I assigned to your ancestors, if only they will be careful to do everything I commanded them concerning all the laws, decrees and regulations given through Moses." - II Chronicles 33:8
“And he declared unto you his covenant, which he COMMANDED YOU to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the Lord COMMANDED ME at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it” (Deuteronomy 4:13, 14).
Without question, there is a distinction in the law in this verse. I'll provide more... (cont.)
(cont.) “Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I HAVE COMMANDED them and according to all the law that my servant MOSES COMMANDED them” (2 Kings 21:8)
@VibrantMarcos - The term, "the law", when used with the definite article and without qualifying words, refers "in nine cases out of ten, to the Mosaic law, or to the Pentateuch." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Art. Law) You use the term "the law" for the 10C's only. This is your fundamental error because "the law" included the whole system of law given to Israel at Sinai, all of it, not just the commands on the stone tablets.
Let me share a few examples to prove this very basic Scriptural truth:
When a person reads the word "Law" in Scripture, they are forced, contextually, to see it as the first five books of Moses. It does not mean "Ten Commandments".
Not once in Scripture are the commands on stone called the "Law of God" or the "Law of the Lord" alone. They are a "part" of the Law...but not "the" Law.
“Yea, all Israel have transgressed THY LAW, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the LAW OF MOSES the servant of God, because we have sinned against him” (Daniel 9:11)
Still don't see a distinction yet? How much is it going to take? What kind of dynamite has to go off before you humble yourself and admit that you're wrong?
Therefore, sound exegesis reveals that when Paul used the phrase "whole law" in Gal. 5:3, he was referring to the whole law as in incorporating the entire Mosaic System, which included the sanctuary services, feasts, sacrifices, and ceremonial offerings. However, when James used the expression 'whole law", he was referring to the "WHOLE" Moral Law of Ten Commandments. Context demands which laws are being spoken about, and only those who's minds are carnal will not see it.
(cont.). Therefore, notice that Abraham had a New Covenant experienced in the Old Covenant time frame. It was never God's desire that Israel would live by works. Never! One can be living in the Old Covenant of works while in the New Covenant time frame, and one can be living in the Old Covenant time frame and be having a New Covenant experience in their life. In fact, in Romans 9:31,32, Israel failed because they "sought the law of righteousness by works" and not by faith. (cont.)
(cont.) The issue of Galatians, Paul is trying to teach them that we are not saved by performing ceremonial functions, especially circumcision. In fact, in the entire book of Galatians Paul uses the word "circumcision/circumcized" a total of 12 times! The issue is especially with the ceremonial aspects of the "book of the law"(Gal 3:10), which was placed on the "side" of the Ark of the Cov. (Deut. 31:24-28). The book of the law only had the Ten "copied" in it, but originally in stone.
Tell me, why would God not make the covenant only to Israel? Of course God made it only to Israel, because it was God's plan that all nations would be blessed through Israel. God had given Israel the Divine Credentials to carry the gospel commission of salvation to the entire human race so that all nations might be incorporated into the House of Israel. This is evident in Isa. 56, where the sacrifices & offerings of the strangers might be accepted as they take hold of God's covenant.
Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
What promise? That covenant originally made to Israel. Remember, a covenant is a promise. "Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise." (Gal 4:28)
In Ex. 19:5,6, Moses calls Israel a "peculiar treasure", a "kingdom of priests", an "holy nation". Peter then takes these same titles given to Israel and applies them to the Church in 1 Peter 2:9,10. (cont.)
It was not with their ancestors that he made THAT particular covenant, but God expected their ancestors to live up to the same laws He was giving to Israel. A covenant is a binding mutual agreement, and it was given at Sinai. But those words of that covenant clearly were kept by their ancestors, as evidenced in Gen 26:5.
But "their fathers"--Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob--were "commanded" to keep the Sabbath. This we find in Jer. 17:22 "But hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers." Then in Numb 20:15 we read "Our fathers went down into Egypt." That was centuries before the giving of the law on Sinai and proves the Sabbath was observed from the time it "was made for man".
The words of the Covenant with Israel from Sinai were the Ten Commandments. He was now making known to Israel what already existed, as evidenced in Exodus 16. Don't try to ignore what I shared in Exodus 16 now! You are conveniently avoiding that. The words of a covenant and a covenant are mutually exclusive, yet naturally intertwined. In other words, God was bringing home to a forgetful nation the principle of His Divine law-principles they had forgotten during the 430 yrs of enslavement.
It is also worthy of mention that the principles of God's laws transcend the Old Covenant, and are intrinsically tied to the Everlasting Covenant. Proof of this is that Exodus 16 God shows that he was going to test the Israelites to see "whether they will walk in my law, or no." (vs. 4). Verses 23-30 reveal that the Sabbath was in force before the Old Covenant was ratified in Exodus 19 and 24. Therefore, the Sabbath and His law transcends the Old Covenant. :)
Why does it have to be prior to Exodus 16? Why can't Exodus 16 already demonstrate this?
Mark 2:27 already demonstrates that the "shabbat" was "made for man". And when was the Sabbath made? It was made at creation, as the only man that existed at creation was Adam and Eve. Careful exegesis reveals that the Greek word for "man" in Mark 2:27 shows that it was referring to Adam and his entire offspring.
I don't need to show you the "shabbath" noun in Genesis, because I never said it was stated there! It doesn't need to be! I showed you how the 4th commandment calls the "seventh-day" that was "blessed" in Genesis 2as being that same day that was called the "sabbath" in Exodus 20. You are employing the fallacy of false alternative my friend. In other words, "the absence of proof is used to prove the opposing argument". Yes, that is the fallacy of false alternative.
So a "verb" is a "noun"? What language does that work in? I've shown clearly from the 4th command on the stone tablets of the covenant that both the "verb" and the "noun" are mentioned there.
Stop hugging shadows brother! The Real thing is standing at your door!
Also, the word "prayer" did not exist until Gen. 12. Are we to conclude that "prayer" did not exist prior to Abraham simply because the word did not exist? Concerning the existence of a "week", we do not find the word employed until Exodus 34 & Leviticus 12. Are we to assume that because the word "week" is not employed in Genesis, that this means a "week" of 7 days does not exist? Don't be ridiculous. The description of a 7-day cycle in Genesis clearly expresses the "concept of a week"
Your problem is that u r getting hung up on letters & words rather than concepts. Gen 2:2-3 states that God "blessed" & "sanctified" the 7th-day. Exodus 20:11 referring to this event says "The Lord blessed the sabbath day." So the Lord says it was the Sabbath day that He blessed. :) In Ex 20:11 we read that the 7th day of Gen 2:3 is called "the sabbath day." Therefore, it has existed since creation week. Mark 2:27 solidifies this in stone as well. No need to dance between the raindrops.
The first portion of Ex. 20:11 is discussing God's shabath [VERB] of Creation and the second portion is discussing the Children of Israel's shabbath [noun]. They do "parallel", but they are in no way the same: one is an "ACTION" by God - the other was a "thing" made only for the COI as an Old Covenant "Sign" for ever throughout the COI's [not Gentiles or Christians] generations.
Your verb and noun comparisons concerning the Sabbath are ridiculous, because everyone knows that the Sabbath Day is a symbol of our eternal rest in the Lord. Instead of taking in the reality of the definition of what is actually being said, you choose to play peekaboo and ring around the rosy. Theological hopscotch from the plain simplicity of the texts will not fly in the face of God at the Judgment Bar of heaven.
You wrote, "...everyone knows that the Sabbath Day is a symbol of our eternal rest in the Lord." I think you meant to say, "Every SDA believes that the Sabbath Day is a symbol of our eternal rest in the Lord."
And I'm not the one eisgetically massaging Scripture...
You can call anything that you want "eisegeses". Your labeling it such does not make it so. Hebrews 4 is explicitly clear that the "sabbatismos" rest is intrinsically tied to that rest in Jesus. Just like Baptism symbolizes our rebirth experience (1 Pet 3:21; Rom 6:3-5), likewise rest on the Sabbath symbolizes, and celebrates, our eternal rest in Christ. But the spiritual significance does not eclipse the requirement of the physical.
Do you even know the meaning of the word "Sabbatismos"? It's a "sabbath-like" rest...it's not's THE sabbath rest Israel had known, it's "LIKE" that. It is the only place in all of Scripture the word appears. Would have been easy for the author of Hebrews just to simply mention "Sabbath" there, don't you think? But he doesn't because that is not what he means.
Even your own scholars don't go to Heb 3 and 4 to defend sabbath observance, why are you?
I am well familiar, and well studied, concerning the word "Sabbatismos". According to Strong's, it means "keeping Sabbath". Paul coined this word, especially because he was linking the Sabbath rest with Eternal Rest, therefore, the word was coined to emphasize the linkage. But Heb. 4:10 establishes a linkage with physical Sabbath keeping: "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS." God is always at spiritual rest.
You wrote: "Paul...was linking the Sabbath rest with Eternal Rest."
NO! A million times NO! Your are putting the word "Sabbath" in that section when Paul does not use it, he uses "seventh-day". They ARE NOT the same thing. He is linking God's rest (Shabath-VERB) from Creation with the Spiritual rest offered to New Covenant believers.
At this point, we would anyone trust you? You add, twist and invent...
Don't keep arguing. In Hebrews 4:4, the connection is made with the "seventh-day". Paul in verse 9 links the "sabbatismos" to the 7th day creation. There is no doubts about this. I did not twist anything. That I am twisting something is the figment of your wild imagination. I can tell that your mind is completely gnarled, and are completely unwilling to submit. You are on a desperate, and hopeless trail in attempt to save a doctrine that has no bearings.
Nope. It's called exegesis. Evangelical Christians don't understand these texts in Ephesians. They don't know how to compare scripture with scripture. They are confused when they read the Bible. God has given these understandings to Adventists, who know more about what these passages are talking about than they do. The "word of truth" is the Law of God. "Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and THY LAW IS THE TRUTH" (Psalms 119:142). There it is!!
Also, in 2 Tim. 2:18,19, we are told that the "foundation of God" is the "seal". What is the "foundation of God"? In Ps 119:142 we see that God's righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, & His law is the truth. In vs 172 we are told that "ALL His commandments are RIGHTEOUSNESS". In Ps 97:2, we're told that "righteousness and justice [or judgment] or the FOUNDATION of his throne!" Therefore, the Foundation of God IS the 10 commandments! :) Rev. 11:19 and 15:5 seal this in stone! =]
No, the 10C's are not the "foundation"...that's just silly. Those commands don't even apply to the angels and certainly not God. Can a genderless being commit adultery? Who is their Mother that they may honor her? Do they covet one another's animals? We know the Sabbath was "made for man", not angels. There are eternal principles behind every command God has given, but that does not mean they are eternal. Seriously? The Law was "added" "until" (Galatians 3:19-25).
It's not just silly. I proved it to you from scripture. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. God's Ten Commandments in heaven have been "adapted" for fallen man. However, there are principles God has in place for His angels. But, for man, that's how they are encoded. The "principles" have been adapted for fallen man, yet the principles themselves do not change. Satan broke all 10 commandments when he rebelled in heaven.
For example, when Satan exalted himself, he broke commandment 1 & 2, & erected the Tower of Babel. He also broke command 3 by taking God's name in vain in declaring himself to be above God in Isa 14. He broke the 4th command when he chose the 1st day over the 7th, because he wanted to be "first". He dishonored his father in the 5th, he stole, he killed, he committed adultery when he divorced heaven, and he coveted a position that did not belong to him. The "principles" are still there. ;)
A genderless being CANNOT commit physical adultery which is what the command states. Don't change the context of the command to fit your belief construct.
Did he covet the angel's wives?
And please...the Sabbath was "made for man", not angels...and certainly not God. God does live by our time cycle...
Whether an angel has a mother or not is irrelevant. The principles of the Ten Commandments were God's "adapted" law for the human race. You are intelligent enough to know this. And if you deny it, without question you are being dishonest with yourself. Tell me, when a Church divorces Christ and marries the State, is this not a form of adultery? Such evidence is profusely demonstrated with the Harlot in Revelation. The "principles" involved in the Ten are deep, vast, and profound :)
Yes, the principles behind the commands on the stone tablets are eternal, but not the exact words. That's simply an impossibility. The principle behind the 4th commandment is a spiritual rest, that is eternal. The physical rest, which was "made", given to Israel through all of her holy days (Neh 10:31), was a shadow that pointed to the true rest in Christ. That is clearly pointed out in Hebrews 3 & 4.
Sorry, I know you want the Sabbath Day to be eternal, but it's not :(
The Sabbath was "made" for man's rest, not angel's. However, the principle of rest in God pre-existed the angels. But remember that God was the one who rested on the Seventh-Day, and every Sabbath we enter into this rest WITH Him according to Hebrews 4. Therefore, it is not unlikely that the angels as well respect the Sabbath. In the New Earth, ALL flesh will be worshiping God every Sabbath according to Isaiah 66:22,23. Are we to think the angels will not participate? Unthinkable.
Ugh...so many SDA's butcher Isaiah 66, I see you have done the same :(
Are you prepared to take the entire section as literal or just the part about the Sabbath? The context of the section begins at Isaiah 65:17 and carries on through the end of the book. It mentions the child dying at 100 years old in the new heavens and new earth. Is that your Heaven? You can't pick and choose...either it's all literal or all symbolic and connected to Israel's history...
When the Bible student actually looks at the context instead of proof-texting, they will see that the entire section is prophetic for Israel and describes a place of harmony that would have existed ad Israel obeyed and accepted the Messiah, etc.
Otherwise, you've got kids dying in Heaven...Oh, but they do observe the Sabbath for 100 years.
As much as a Bible student as you may claim to be, Hawg, you are FAR from it. Your heart is in rebellion against God's law, and hate to see your face when the plagues fall and you realized you are lost because you refused to keep God's Ten Commandments by faith. Old Testament Israel was a TYPE of world-wide global Spiritual. You have Old Jerusalem, and the earthly Sanctuary, with Local Israel. In the New Testament, you have New Jerusalem, the Heavenly Sanctuary, and Global Israel.
@VibrantMarcos - Here's a caution for you. You are preaching a false gospel. It is foreign to the gospel Paul preached. It is an activity that Paul says will leave you "cursed" (Gal 1:9). You worship at Mt. Sinai while the rest of us worship at Mt. Zion (Heb 12:18-24). You embrace the "ministry of death engraved on tablets of stone" (II Cor 3:7-18) and will remain behind the veil until you allow Jesus to remove it. Oh, and where did I claim to be a Bible student? You're inserting things again...
In II Cor 3:7-18, Paul shows that the Ten Commandments are the ministration of death. What's his point? His point is that as long as they remain in stone, they condemn the guilty sinner. That's all the law can do is minister death. That is why Christ, through the Spirit, saves us from the penalty of the law. This transpires only when the heart is renewed by the regenerating power of the Spirit, and we confess our sins, repent, and turn away. The glory of Moses' ministration was done away.
Yours is not a New Covenant at all, it's the same one written somewhere else.
Suppose I pulled my car out of the garage and decided to call it "new" because it was now parked in the driveway. Would it be so? It's silliness Marcos...
Tell us, which Law is higher?
1) Thou shalt not murder
2) Don't be angry
The New Covenant is "more glorious" Marcos...don't stay at Sinai, come to Mt Zion...
What you are really trying to say is that in Jeremiah 31:31-33, God is saying that the Law He would write in the New Covenant is a "new law". I'm sorry Hawg, but there is no inferrence or intimation of a "new law" anywhere. It's the SAME law! Paul also never once stated in Hebrews 8:7-13 and 10:16 that it was a "new law". It was the "same law". That is the New Covenant--where the same laws transfer from stone--from the letter--to the renewed heart in the Spirit--and we live by faith.
Anyway Hawg, I will just remind u that u are fighting a LOSING battle my friend. U have nothing to stand on. Your house is built upon sand. The idea that Christ's laws replace the laws seared in stone at Sinai is nothing but sheer bird-chirpin gibberish & foolish chicanery. The real issue that u are having is that 4th commandment Sabbath. It is the Sabbath that irks u, & it is PRECISELY why God is using it as a test in these last days--to see who REALLY wants to do what is right from the heart.
So it was not the law, the Tables of Stone, that was done away with. Read II Cor 3 carefully again. You will see that the veil that was removed was the ministration of Moses, the glory of Moses. Now, Christ has replaced Moses as our High Priest, and His glory shines on the law even more! Christ ministers on our behalf, but the law still remains. If the Moral Law was still not in effect, then Christ is ministering for absolutely nothing.
So anyway, to wrap this up, I will tell you straight: it is u who is preaching a false gospel. A lawless gospel. An Antinomian, Gnostic, Manichean gospel that emanates straight from the mouth of the hermetic dragon. The message in Galatians is concerning the ceremonial rites & activities of the book of the law. Their issue was circumcision. We Adventists are NOT keeping any of those laws. When we do, we r attempting to atone for our own sins, which places us under the law's condemnation.
This tells me you are not reading my posts closely. You wrote I am preaching a "lawless gospel". That is a lie, I've already told you I am under Christ's Law (Gal 6:2; I Cor 9:21).
The message in Galatians is "THE LAW"...not parts of it...but "THE LAW". Even your prophet agrees:
"I am asked concerning the law in Galatians. What law is the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ? I answer: Both the ceremonial and the moral code of ten commandments." 1 SM 233.1
You state "I am under Christ's Law" (Gal 6:2;1Cor 9:21), but you ignore the fact that Christ came to "magnify the law", and "make it honourable" (Isa 42:21). Which law was he talking about? Some new, unknown law? Also, which commandments were to stand fast forever & ever in Psalms 111:7-10? Which laws were these? Some, unnamed, unambiguous laws? After all, did not Christ say "Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning"? (1 Jn 2:7)
Concerning your statement in 1SM 233. Of course the schoolmaster was both the ceremonial & moral code. You r misunderstanding the deeper issues though. U are looking at this subject very superficially. U seem to forget that the ceremonial law still exists, and is still a requirement. But it has transferred from the earthly sanctuary to Christ's High Priestly ministry in the heavenly sanctuary, and reflected antitypically in our lives. But the Ten are kept both spiritually and physically.
In a nutshell, OT Israel was a type of NT Israel. But the Law is still the same. The Heavenly Sanctuary was patterned after the Earthly, and it contains the Ark of His Testament (Revelation 11:19), and His "testimony" (15:5) which is the Ten Commandments (Exodus 25:16; 32:15).
The Moral Law of Ten Commandments has not changed. God built a heavenly sanctuary so that fallen man might come before Him to obtain Mercy through Christ. That Law in heaven's ark has been adapted for fallen man.
I believe what they're saying is that when the antichrist makes the sunday law all will have to worship at church. those not worshipping will not buy, or sell or in other words survive The antichrist knows that the followers of God will not follow this because they will know when this is happenening. But the others who don't follow Christ wiil have to worship Him if they want to eat and survive. Anitchrist knows he has no chance with God's children. He will try to get all of the others.
I have rethought this and a day of worship is possable. But we will still need a Mark like verichip or barcode to show we do goto worship the Beast if not then they will not know we don't worship the Beast. Verichip Barcode is the mark.
The mark is Sunday Worship. The chip is the tool they will use to enforce it. Be not deceived. The mark in the forehead refers to what you think. It is figurative, not literal.
@hardrockhouse well its quite simple. when you dont go to church, people will start to realaize, and you might even get ratted out by some former friends. i mean they already no everything about us already. so when sunday law comes, sooner or later people will see that we arent in church, they already established a sunday law in an american state once for a period of time. i forget what state though, and alot of people got fined, so they started to go to church. i forget how long it lasted
@hardrockhouse people seem to forget that the beast in rev 13:17 says, And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the Mark, OR the name of the beast OR the number of his Name.
Three different distinct marks, First comes the image then worship, then the mark. So ur right we do need to look out for a physical mark as without it how would they know who worships on what day, also the only thing they can give those who worship the beast is satan's chip (mark/name/number).
The antichrist is not just one person but a global religious system. That claims to be God's representative on earth which should be reserved for the Holy Spirit and Holy Spirit only.
The Bible says that the ones that folow the beast will be, "Those whose names are not written in the Lambs book of Life." So Christians won't be deceived because their names are written in the Lambs book.
The antichrist people usually refer to is the first beast of Revelation 13.
You misinterpreted me. The antichrist has to infiltrate christianity to pull off the deception that he is Christ because no other religion accepts Christ. The pagan nations around the world look to buddha, krishna, allah, and all other false gods as their messiah. The bible says that he will look like the true God.
That means he has to come through the christian faith and no ohter religion. When he does this all other religions will follow because the christian faith sets the guideline for world affairs( the Papacy).
prop, Google MAITREYA SHARE. There you will find an antichrist who will be all to those who are not Christians. Then google MAITREYA SHARE MASTER JESUS, He is his sidekick, the possible false prophet. The false prophet will try to deceive the Christians into worshipping the antichrist. Watch my video, Antichrist 666 mark of beast. It is based on scripture.
Meaning he will be looked at as the true God through deception ( the media and popularity). So he has to come through the christian faith because no other religion acknowledges Christ as God. That should narrow it down for everyone
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev. 13:8
So if you are a Christian, believe in Jesus and have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, your name is in the Lambs book of life and you wont be deceived. So I believe your wrong when you say he will come through the Christian faith...
The word "ANTI" not only means against but it also means "in place of ". So the antchrist that is spoken of in the Bible is one who thinks he is Christ. In 2 Thessolonians 2: 3-4 it says that he will oppose God but he would also sit in the temple of God showing himself as God. .
K, You have been so brainwashed... Again, read the BIBLE only and throw Ellen's books away. I showed where she is a false prophet, re: she said some would be alive (at the meeting) when Jesus returned. It did not happen.
HI ,do you realize that Paul thought JUSUS second coming was when HE was still alive and he talked about it? so he finally says he fought the good fight of faith and 2timothy 4:8 ,he ended up saying and admiting the a crwon will be awarded to him in JESUS return, and to all of those whom yearned and loved him?(JESUS) so does this make PAUL a false prophet? because he dindt quite understand about timing,was he a false prophet? GOD bless you
are you suggesting then,that Paul was indeed a false apostle, or was he allawed to be wrong on Jesus second coming because HE was an apostle?.DID JESUS ever claim to be a prophet ? but HE was too, so not because you have a title 0r not,to me, means that you could be wrong,refering to Paul threapostle. GOD BLESS YOU MY FRIEND
Lets see, you started with defending EGW saying Paul also stated false prophecies and asked, if that made him a false prophet. I said, Paul said he was an Apostle not a Prophet. So it was obvious he was wrong if he said Jesus would come again while he was alive.
Thanks. What i wonder ,however ,is, what if the message is there but we have not being able to solve it yet,may be not even EGW UNDERSTOOD PLENTY enough of this ,and what if we are unattending this call? do You see what i mean?
I believe many prophecies arent understood until they are fulfilled. So, if we are living in the last days, (Israel became a nation in 1948) the coming beast of Revelation 13 must be alive and well.
Google Maitreya Share. Maitreya is the New Age Christ and fits every description of the coming antichrist and his name equals 666 in Greek and Hebrew gemetria.
I'LL tell what,peolple are very good at putting 666 to any name for the need of the world to believe or uncover somthing.If you look at the pope"s name(vicarius filli dai) you will find out that it very exact gives you 666,so we do not know very clear yet,but one thing i know: antiCHRIST,is everything tha oppsses CHRIST and His beliefs,for instance,do you know anyone who/whom deny the MESIAH? where do they live, is not believe in in the MESIAH opossed to CHRIST?so they are a form of antichrist
The problem with putting the popes name as 666, is it is done in Latin. The Bible was written in Greek & Hebrew so the correct gemetria would be Greek or Hebrew, not Latin.
Another problem: The pope does not deny Jesus is the Christ. The Bible is very clear, he who denies Jesus is the Christ is antichrist.
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dj9968210 1 month ago
I started making jokes of this man's ears but by the end of his sermon the joke was on me. I now understand that the Seventh day is God's true day of worship and not the Sunday Sabbath. That's a shocker!!
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4) "Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?" - Matt 12:5
Where does the law say this? Numbers 28:9...So Numbers is in the law...
These references clearly embrace all the five books of Moses as "the law." So when you use the term "the law", you are using it incorrectly. You want it to mean "ONLY" the 10C's, but that's unscriptural.
Until you understand this basic point, you'll continue to get it wrong.
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
3) "Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law?" - Matt. 22:36
Jesus then makes two quotations from the law:
First, "Thou shalt love the Lord with all thy heart." This is taken from Deut. 6:5...So Deuteronomy is in the law...
Second, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." This is from Lev. 19:18...So Leviticus is a part of the law...
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
1) "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says." I Corinthians 14:34
Where does the law say this? Genesis 3:16...So Genesis is in the law...
2) "For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet" - Romans 7:7
Where does the law say this? Exodus 20:17...So Exodus is in the law...
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
thanks for the info i will look into it
light and love!
Firestarter908 7 months ago
The Millerites were Sunday keepers, yet the SDA Church holds to Miller and his Movement as a great thing. Really, they were no different to Harold Camping's movement today, trying to put a date on the end of the world when the bible clearly says we are not too.
cornerstone111 9 months ago
@cornerstone111 You are apoor little thing.... you have not a dot idea what SDA church is about???????start reading the bible and pray.......
TheKotek1 9 months ago
@TheKotek1 I know exactly what the SDA church and their right wing agenda is about. And I am not poor, and the only way I could be a little thing to you is if you are overweight from eating all those carb loaded vegetarian meals. I also read my bible daily. Maybe you should step outside of the SDA church for once and see the bigger picture.
cornerstone111 9 months ago
If God can be worshiped on sunday, then the act of worshiping God on sunday is not the "mark of the beast".
Having said that though, the worship of the beast can still be related to sunday possibly. He could ask all to worship him on sunday, but that does not mean that God himself can't be worshiped on sunday. Satan has received worship on every day of the week throughout the ages, even on saturday, but that doesn't take away the worship of God that occurs on other days as well.
Myhopeisinhim 10 months ago
Its not the day that determines who you worship, otherwise worshiping on saturday would mean you are worshiping the saturn god, or to go to church on wednesday the god odin. The days belong to God, so if you worship God on any day, you need not fear. It's WHO you are worshiping that you need to fear.
Myhopeisinhim 10 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Do not fear, beacouse you love him you will follow his commandments, God created all in 6 days, on seventh day he rested how much more info do you need?????????????????
TheKotek1 9 months ago
@TheKotek1
Why did he rest? And why can we rest?
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
Standing while in prayer before the people is not biblical prayer. Even your prophet Ellen White agrees with that.
NicholasPOGM 1 year ago
Understand this video first before you rate it.
lyra12padua 1 year ago
The Mark that you put in your forehead and in your right hand is the mark of the beast (666). It is not the mark that to remember God's laws...and we even don't need to put a mark just to remember God's law...It's better to read your Bible than to put a mark in your forehead and in your right hand.
lyra12padua 1 year ago
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Satan wants worship. I believe God is revealing His true calendar in these last days so His people will not be caught in the snare of satan. Satan will deceive almost the whole world in keeping the day of the sun. Many will receive the mark of the beast simply because we refuse to believe the word of God.
reneevld 1 year ago
Satan wants worship. I believe God is revealing His true calendar in these last days so His people will not be caught in the snare of satan. Satan will deceive almost the whole world in keeping the day of the sun. Many will receive the mark of the beast simply because we refuse to believe the word of God.
reneevld 1 year ago
I think the 7th day churches should really be alarmed when the US adopt the calendar use by the EU countries. Seventh day sabbathkeepers will then be keeping Sunday the seventh day holy. Ellen White said, " When SUNDAY OBSERVANCE shall be enforced by law....those who continue in transgression will receive "the mark of the beast." It is Sunday observance we should be aware of. We need to consider Gods calendar when determining our holy days. Dissect Gen 1:14 Lev 23:1-3 Ps 104:19
reneevld 1 year ago
@reneevld
Rome is not the beast or Antichrist. Islam is the beast and Antichrist.
SoldierOfChrist110 11 months ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 you should look up the roman numerals in the encyclopedia, then take" Vicarius Filii Dei "( which is the title of all the popes) chosen by themselves Then give every letter in the title its numerical equal in roman numerals. 0 for letters that dont have numbers, when you are done add up all the roman numerals and see for yourself what numbers you get. see for yourself who the bible tells you the beast is. Light and love!
Firestarter908 11 months ago
@Firestarter908
God did not intend for us to work out the number 666 by adding up numbers. In the Aramaic symbol 666 is translated "In the name of Allah"
Who conqured Rome in 1453 A.D.? Islam did. Islam also conqured Babylon, Medo Persia, and the Grecian Empire.
SoldierOfChrist110 11 months ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 Islam was created by Rome and now they both are working together. Even if you do not like it...cose you are muslim?. On top they are working together, and yes they are using Koran. (cose is very against the Jesus)
TheKotek1 9 months ago
@TheKotek1 But in the end times the Old Testament prophecies show Jesus fighting nations that are all muslim, not rome.
SoldierOfChrist110 9 months ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 It took a while when the catholic or muslim churches were polished....i guess jews were still favorite....still are.............
TheKotek1 9 months ago
@TheKotek1 Islam is the beast and Antichrist
SoldierOfChrist110 9 months ago
@TheKotek1
The religions of the world were created by the enemy and his people, some of which are the illuminati, who are running the world scene. The catholic church is as much a puppet as Islam is.
Myhopeisinhim 9 months ago
You have the master and then you get the rest:Jesuit, illum, maso and all the churches.....
TheKotek1 9 months ago
INTERESTING
rickydepths1 1 year ago 7
Yep, let's believe, homosexuals will suddenly start going to church on Sunday. Jewish people will suddenly go to church. Radical muslims who bomb christians and non muslims will suddenly stop going to church on Friday and go on Sunday.
JesusIsEnough777 1 year ago
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Lev 23:7 In the first day you shall have a holy convocation: you shall do no work therein.
Exd 12:16 And in the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
LOOK LIKE SATURDAY WAS ALSO A DAY OF REST
Dwrancho144 1 year ago
he is a freemason look at the uniform red white and black or white black
Eazysunshine 1 year ago
@Eazysunshine ive worn the same colors before, and i have seen many others, it doesnt mean that a person is a free mason, sometimes yes, but i doubt john lomacang is. i certainly am not one.
pyrofreak8 1 year ago
I believe the Mark of the Beast will be a day of worship but also they will have to give us a real Mark if they don't then how are they going to know what day we worship they won't. case closed. The Verichip is the Mark. With out it you will not be able to buy or sell.
hardrockhouse 2 years ago
@hardrockhouse
Your righteousness is not determined on whether you have a computer chip inside of you. The Bible has given us the rules for defining what the Mark is. The Old Testament tells you that the mark or sign was God's law, placed in their foreheads and their hands. Satan's mark is the opposite. It represents HIS laws. A chip is not a law. It is a tool to control men to keep the commandments of men. And the heart of that mark is Sunday Worship. Case closed.
Lysimachus78 1 year ago 6
@Lysimachus78 I sure hope you do some more research before you go thru with what you're assuming. For it is written in Rev13:16"he also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to recieve a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark" Many people will be decieved, I hope you're not fooled ...stay prayerful, and seek the truth in The Lord Lysimachus78
deanjh24 1 year ago
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@deanjh24 The truth is Revelation 13:16 It says: "the BEAST forced EVERYONE, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless the BEAST had the mark"
lyra12padua 1 year ago
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@deanjh24 The truth is Revelation 13:16 It says: "the BEAST forced EVERYONE, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless the BEAST had the mark" God didn't force everyone to do his will
lyra12padua 1 year ago
@Lysimachus78 Marcos, the NT tells us that God's seal is his spirit, not the day we keep. This view was Joseph Bates twisted theory on things.
cornerstone111 9 months ago
@Lysimachus78
Scripture is clear that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13; 4:30), not the Sabbath.
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawgdawgrain
I sent you a PM that addresses this issue. I most certainly agree that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit. The question is, what does the Holy Spirit impress or seal in the forehead?
Lysimachus78 4 months ago
@Lysimachus78
Make no mistake, the Holy Spirit "IS" the Seal, not just the sealing agent.
"...you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit." Ephesians 1:13
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawgdawgrain
NOPE! Don't argue!!
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the WORD OF TRUTH, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed WITH that holy Spirit of promise." (Eph 1:13)
What is sealed by with the Holy Spirit? The WORD OF TRUTH! The Holy Spirit is the sealing agent that writes the Law of God in your heart. In essence, the Holy Spirit in your heart is the agent that regenerates the heart with God's law. Enough said.
Lysimachus78 4 months ago
@Lysimachus78
Sorry, the text is plain :) The Seal is the Holy Spirit. It's all quite simple when you consider that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Where was God's presence during the Old Covenant? In the Holiest of Holies above the wooden ark. Where is His presence in the New Covenant? Inside of us! Praise His name! God the Holy Spirit is the Seal...
Also, you got the "Law of God" from "word of truth"? That's some serious eisgesis there...
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
Nope, sorry. I have already explained to you the issues involved. Besides, the Gospel Seal of Ephesians 1 and 4 is not the same as the end-time seal in Revelation 7:2-8 and chapter 14. The gospel seal is only a part of the sealing process. Revelation 14:1 declares that this seal is the "Father's name" that is written "in their foreheads". Exodus 34:4,5 declares that the "Name of the Lord" is the Ten Commandments. The final-end-time seal is intrinsically tied to God's Moral Law.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg Just admit that your heart is rebelliously set against God's eternal law, & u REALLY don't want to do what He says. U will continue to stubbornly build your faith on a false gospel, which will take u nowhere near those pearly gates as long as your train is set dead on toward lawless living. God isn't playing games. Those who refuse to accept that God's Sabbath is HIS seal will come up to the timing of the plagues & only then realize that they needed to be hewed & squared for the building.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
"Eternal" Law? That would be funny if it wasn't so sad :( At the heart of the stone commands of the covenant is the Sabbath commandment. The Sabbath was "made"...how can something that is "made" be eternal? And I am not without Law, not at all. I am under Christ's Law (Gal 6:2; I Cor 9:21).
Seems like you need to clarify some terms. What is the covenant God made with Israel at Sinai? (Exodus 34:28; Deut 4:13; 9:9,11; Heb 9:4)
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
Once something is made, it becomes "eternal". But God had already many worlds before the earth, & these worlds had their own Sabbath. The covenant God made with Sinai at Israel is simply a re-integration of the Everlasting Covenant that was mentioned in Gen. 9:16 & ratified by the blood of Christ in Heb 13:20. The Old Cov. was the Everlasting Covenant broken by the poor promises of Israel. The New Covenant was the Everlasting Covenant restored, recaptured, & made better by Christ's blood.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
You wrote, "Once something is made, it becomes "eternal"." So all of the 613 commandments made for Israel are eternal?
And, you didn't answer the question...here's the verse for you:
"Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments." - Exodus 34:28
Let's try this again: What are the words of the Covenant with Israel from Sinai?
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
I notice you have a strong tendency that when I pin you down on one point, you like to jump to different subjects that are slightly related, but not quite related. I consider this very poor ethics when it comes to sound dialogue. Keep in mind that numerous laws out of the 613 laws were re-iterated by Paul in the New Testament, such as issues concerning homosexuality. The words of the covenant with Israel from Sinai were the Ten Commandments.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
And what does Paul tell us to do with the Covenant (Ten Commandments) from Sinai in Galatians 4:21-31?
Also, you are completely ignoring the fact that the covenant made with Israel at Sinai was not made with any other group prior to them.
"It was not with our ancestors that the LORD made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today." Deut 5:3
The Mosaic Covenant was unique to Israel, not Abraham, etc.
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
Galatians 4:21-31 is a perfect example as to why we are to keep the law. Indeed, the Hagar, the bondwoman, represented the Old Covenant. Sarah, the freewoman, represented the New Covenant. Why is this? Because Abraham was attempting to fulfill the promises of God through works, through the bondwoman, Hagar, and not having faith in God that He could have a son through His wife who was aged. Therefore, when he finally decided to have faith, God blessed Him with a son. (cont.)
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
You wrote, "Galatians 4:21-31 is a perfect example as to why we are to keep the law." Only a person with an agenda could take Paul's counsel to "cast off" the Covenant from Sinai as meaning we should keep the covenant from Sinai...
*Oy vey (slaps head while shaking it)*
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
Concerning Gal 4:21-31, you seem to fail to understand that there is a difference between a covenant and the words of a covenant. In Ex 24:6-8, we are told that Moses took the blood of the covenant "concerning all these words" In verse 7, the people said "all that the Lord hath said, we will do". The Covenant at Sinai that vanished was not the words themselves, rather, it was in the way Israel promised--they failed, they sought the law of righteousness by works. But the law still stands.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
Since you don't like the Exodsu 34:28 verse since it says "words", here's Deut 4:13:
"He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets." - Deut 4:13
The Covenant with Israel from Sinai is clearly called the Ten Commandments.
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
I think I have repeated to you more than once now that I believe the Ten Commandments were the Covenant made with Israel. What you fail to understand, however, is that the actual words on the Ten Commandments were not "the covenant", rather the tables were--the binding agreement. You can deny that the words are intrinsically tied to the New Covenant all you want, but that will not change the fact that the New Testament authors profusely quoted from them, including Christ Himself.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
(cont.) Your problem is u are mixing up the concept of a covenant being cast aside, and a law being cast aside. In Heb 8:8-10, we find that the fault was not with the law, but with Israel. Therefore the New Covenant promise is to take those SAME laws & write them in their hearts. If it remains in stone, it is death. But if it transfers from stone to the heart, it brings life! Therefore, all who want to truly do what is right will keep the 10 Commandments by faith, in Spirit, & in Truth!
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
"Same law"...then do you observe the entire Law and its mitzvot? The "law" is NOT the Ten Commandments only. You keep presenting this but it is error. The "Law" is the entore Torah and its 613 commandments.
You promote that this is the Law written on our hearts and yet you don't observe it...what gives? The Ten Commandments alone are never called "the law of the Lord" nor "the law of God." Not once in Scripture...no where.
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
"The Law" sometimes referred to only the Ten Commandments. "The Law" sometimes referred to BOTH the Ten Comm. and the rest of the 603 laws. "The Law" sometimes referred to only the 603 laws. Nonetheless, 10 out of the 613 were seared in stone, emphasizing their "perpetual" obligation for all man-kind, especially when we see the earthly sanctuary was patterned after the heavenly. Context demands which Law Paul is talking about. It doesn't take a Ph.D. to figure this out.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
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@VibrantMarcos
You wrote: "The Law sometimes referred to only the Ten Commandments."
Scripture please! Or should I just trust that you know what you're tlaking about?
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
It is absolutely theologically and Biblically impossible to conclude that the Ten Commandments were abolished with the Old Covenant. If your theology were true, Paul and James sure messed up the New Covenant. In James 2:10-12, we have James quoting 2 of the Ten Commandments, and stating "so speak ye, and so DO". In Eph 6:1,2, we have Paul quoting the 5th. In Rom. 13:8-10, Paul quotes at least 6 of the Ten Commandments. In Rom. 2:12-14, Paul states only "doers" can be justified.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
There you go again not reading an entire section and prooftexting...I noticed you didn't respond to my thoughts on Isaiah. Why did you just ignore them?
Let's do the same with how you have butchered James 2. It is speaking of the SAME LAW throughout the whole passage. What law is that? Let me ask, what is the Royal Law?
"If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right." James 2:8
Tell us, what is the Royal Law?
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawgd
I did not butcher James 2. Loving your neighbor as yourself in verse 8 is a "summary" of the second table, which describes HOW to "reveal" that love to your neighbor, in the last 6 commandments. But James in 2:10-12, unequivocally, unambiguously, and unapologetically, infused his emphasis as emanating from the Ten Commandments by quoting 2 that expressly come from the Ten. The fact saying "so SPEAK ye and so DO" emphatically implies that the "WHOLE" MORAL law being spoken of here.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
The Royal Law of Liberty is the Ten Commandments. To keep them in spirit and in truth, by faith, releases from the bondage and shackles of sin. All the other laws of Christ are "magnifications" or "extensions" rather of the Ten Commandments, not replacements. Christ's job was to show the spirit of the law, which goes so far as to stress that more than just committing adultery, we should not even think it by looking upon a woman that is not for us to have.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
Marcos: "The Royal Law of Liberty is the Ten Commandments."
Bible: "If you really keep the Royal Law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right." - James 2:8
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
"Love your neighbor as yourself" (James 2:8)
"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS. " (Matthew 22:37-40)
It does not take a Ph.D. to recognize that the second table is a summation of our duty and love toward man in the last 6.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
"But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee ALL THE COMMANDMENTS, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do [them] in the land which I give them to possess it." (Deut 5:31)
The focus of Deut 5 is the Ten Comm. Moses declared "ALL" the commandments to be referring to the Ten, then he goes on to explain the rest. Also, the phrase "whole law" is used in 2 Chron. 33:8 as referring to commandments distinct from the others.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
"I will not again make the feet of the Israelites leave the land I assigned to your ancestors, if only they will be careful to do everything I commanded them concerning all the laws, decrees and regulations given through Moses." - II Chronicles 33:8
How does this refer to the 10C's distinctly?
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
“And he declared unto you his covenant, which he COMMANDED YOU to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the Lord COMMANDED ME at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it” (Deuteronomy 4:13, 14).
Without question, there is a distinction in the law in this verse. I'll provide more... (cont.)
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
(cont.) “Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I HAVE COMMANDED them and according to all the law that my servant MOSES COMMANDED them” (2 Kings 21:8)
(cont.)
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos - The term, "the law", when used with the definite article and without qualifying words, refers "in nine cases out of ten, to the Mosaic law, or to the Pentateuch." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Art. Law) You use the term "the law" for the 10C's only. This is your fundamental error because "the law" included the whole system of law given to Israel at Sinai, all of it, not just the commands on the stone tablets.
Let me share a few examples to prove this very basic Scriptural truth:
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawgdawgrain When you refer to Law, are you referring to the 613 Mitzvot?
BurningMountin 1 month ago
@BurningMountin
When a person reads the word "Law" in Scripture, they are forced, contextually, to see it as the first five books of Moses. It does not mean "Ten Commandments".
Not once in Scripture are the commands on stone called the "Law of God" or the "Law of the Lord" alone. They are a "part" of the Law...but not "the" Law.
Hawgdawgrain 1 month ago
@Hawgdawgrain I want to private message you but I can't find a message tab for some reason...
BurningMountin 1 month ago
@Hawg
“Yea, all Israel have transgressed THY LAW, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the LAW OF MOSES the servant of God, because we have sinned against him” (Daniel 9:11)
Still don't see a distinction yet? How much is it going to take? What kind of dynamite has to go off before you humble yourself and admit that you're wrong?
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
Therefore, sound exegesis reveals that when Paul used the phrase "whole law" in Gal. 5:3, he was referring to the whole law as in incorporating the entire Mosaic System, which included the sanctuary services, feasts, sacrifices, and ceremonial offerings. However, when James used the expression 'whole law", he was referring to the "WHOLE" Moral Law of Ten Commandments. Context demands which laws are being spoken about, and only those who's minds are carnal will not see it.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
You need a lesson on what the "law" is...It is "ONE LAW"...
Tell me, when were Jesus and Paul ever interupted with the question, "Which Law?" Not once...because their audience knew of only ONE LAW...
Since you desire context, that is the context.
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
(cont.). Therefore, notice that Abraham had a New Covenant experienced in the Old Covenant time frame. It was never God's desire that Israel would live by works. Never! One can be living in the Old Covenant of works while in the New Covenant time frame, and one can be living in the Old Covenant time frame and be having a New Covenant experience in their life. In fact, in Romans 9:31,32, Israel failed because they "sought the law of righteousness by works" and not by faith. (cont.)
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
(cont.) The issue of Galatians, Paul is trying to teach them that we are not saved by performing ceremonial functions, especially circumcision. In fact, in the entire book of Galatians Paul uses the word "circumcision/circumcized" a total of 12 times! The issue is especially with the ceremonial aspects of the "book of the law"(Gal 3:10), which was placed on the "side" of the Ark of the Cov. (Deut. 31:24-28). The book of the law only had the Ten "copied" in it, but originally in stone.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
Tell me, why would God not make the covenant only to Israel? Of course God made it only to Israel, because it was God's plan that all nations would be blessed through Israel. God had given Israel the Divine Credentials to carry the gospel commission of salvation to the entire human race so that all nations might be incorporated into the House of Israel. This is evident in Isa. 56, where the sacrifices & offerings of the strangers might be accepted as they take hold of God's covenant.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
What promise? That covenant originally made to Israel. Remember, a covenant is a promise. "Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise." (Gal 4:28)
In Ex. 19:5,6, Moses calls Israel a "peculiar treasure", a "kingdom of priests", an "holy nation". Peter then takes these same titles given to Israel and applies them to the Church in 1 Peter 2:9,10. (cont.)
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
It was not with their ancestors that he made THAT particular covenant, but God expected their ancestors to live up to the same laws He was giving to Israel. A covenant is a binding mutual agreement, and it was given at Sinai. But those words of that covenant clearly were kept by their ancestors, as evidenced in Gen 26:5.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
But "their fathers"--Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob--were "commanded" to keep the Sabbath. This we find in Jer. 17:22 "But hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers." Then in Numb 20:15 we read "Our fathers went down into Egypt." That was centuries before the giving of the law on Sinai and proves the Sabbath was observed from the time it "was made for man".
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
The words of the Covenant with Israel from Sinai were the Ten Commandments. He was now making known to Israel what already existed, as evidenced in Exodus 16. Don't try to ignore what I shared in Exodus 16 now! You are conveniently avoiding that. The words of a covenant and a covenant are mutually exclusive, yet naturally intertwined. In other words, God was bringing home to a forgetful nation the principle of His Divine law-principles they had forgotten during the 430 yrs of enslavement.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
It is also worthy of mention that the principles of God's laws transcend the Old Covenant, and are intrinsically tied to the Everlasting Covenant. Proof of this is that Exodus 16 God shows that he was going to test the Israelites to see "whether they will walk in my law, or no." (vs. 4). Verses 23-30 reveal that the Sabbath was in force before the Old Covenant was ratified in Exodus 19 and 24. Therefore, the Sabbath and His law transcends the Old Covenant. :)
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
The Sabbath transcends the Old Covenant? Then surely you should have no problem showing us the shabbath (NOUN) anywhere prior to Exodus 16...
I'll hang up and listen...
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
Why does it have to be prior to Exodus 16? Why can't Exodus 16 already demonstrate this?
Mark 2:27 already demonstrates that the "shabbat" was "made for man". And when was the Sabbath made? It was made at creation, as the only man that existed at creation was Adam and Eve. Careful exegesis reveals that the Greek word for "man" in Mark 2:27 shows that it was referring to Adam and his entire offspring.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
Ok, then show me the shabbath (NOUN) in Genesis since you state it was made there. Shouldn't be hard ;)
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
I don't need to show you the "shabbath" noun in Genesis, because I never said it was stated there! It doesn't need to be! I showed you how the 4th commandment calls the "seventh-day" that was "blessed" in Genesis 2as being that same day that was called the "sabbath" in Exodus 20. You are employing the fallacy of false alternative my friend. In other words, "the absence of proof is used to prove the opposing argument". Yes, that is the fallacy of false alternative.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
So a "verb" is a "noun"? What language does that work in? I've shown clearly from the 4th command on the stone tablets of the covenant that both the "verb" and the "noun" are mentioned there.
Stop hugging shadows brother! The Real thing is standing at your door!
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
Also, the word "prayer" did not exist until Gen. 12. Are we to conclude that "prayer" did not exist prior to Abraham simply because the word did not exist? Concerning the existence of a "week", we do not find the word employed until Exodus 34 & Leviticus 12. Are we to assume that because the word "week" is not employed in Genesis, that this means a "week" of 7 days does not exist? Don't be ridiculous. The description of a 7-day cycle in Genesis clearly expresses the "concept of a week"
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
Your problem is that u r getting hung up on letters & words rather than concepts. Gen 2:2-3 states that God "blessed" & "sanctified" the 7th-day. Exodus 20:11 referring to this event says "The Lord blessed the sabbath day." So the Lord says it was the Sabbath day that He blessed. :) In Ex 20:11 we read that the 7th day of Gen 2:3 is called "the sabbath day." Therefore, it has existed since creation week. Mark 2:27 solidifies this in stone as well. No need to dance between the raindrops.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
The first portion of Ex. 20:11 is discussing God's shabath [VERB] of Creation and the second portion is discussing the Children of Israel's shabbath [noun]. They do "parallel", but they are in no way the same: one is an "ACTION" by God - the other was a "thing" made only for the COI as an Old Covenant "Sign" for ever throughout the COI's [not Gentiles or Christians] generations.
Shabath [VERB] vs. shabbath [noun]
"Parallel" - yes.
"Identical" - never.
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
Your verb and noun comparisons concerning the Sabbath are ridiculous, because everyone knows that the Sabbath Day is a symbol of our eternal rest in the Lord. Instead of taking in the reality of the definition of what is actually being said, you choose to play peekaboo and ring around the rosy. Theological hopscotch from the plain simplicity of the texts will not fly in the face of God at the Judgment Bar of heaven.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
You wrote, "...everyone knows that the Sabbath Day is a symbol of our eternal rest in the Lord." I think you meant to say, "Every SDA believes that the Sabbath Day is a symbol of our eternal rest in the Lord."
And I'm not the one eisgetically massaging Scripture...
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
You can call anything that you want "eisegeses". Your labeling it such does not make it so. Hebrews 4 is explicitly clear that the "sabbatismos" rest is intrinsically tied to that rest in Jesus. Just like Baptism symbolizes our rebirth experience (1 Pet 3:21; Rom 6:3-5), likewise rest on the Sabbath symbolizes, and celebrates, our eternal rest in Christ. But the spiritual significance does not eclipse the requirement of the physical.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
Do you even know the meaning of the word "Sabbatismos"? It's a "sabbath-like" rest...it's not's THE sabbath rest Israel had known, it's "LIKE" that. It is the only place in all of Scripture the word appears. Would have been easy for the author of Hebrews just to simply mention "Sabbath" there, don't you think? But he doesn't because that is not what he means.
Even your own scholars don't go to Heb 3 and 4 to defend sabbath observance, why are you?
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
I am well familiar, and well studied, concerning the word "Sabbatismos". According to Strong's, it means "keeping Sabbath". Paul coined this word, especially because he was linking the Sabbath rest with Eternal Rest, therefore, the word was coined to emphasize the linkage. But Heb. 4:10 establishes a linkage with physical Sabbath keeping: "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS." God is always at spiritual rest.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
There you go again :(
You wrote: "Paul...was linking the Sabbath rest with Eternal Rest."
NO! A million times NO! Your are putting the word "Sabbath" in that section when Paul does not use it, he uses "seventh-day". They ARE NOT the same thing. He is linking God's rest (Shabath-VERB) from Creation with the Spiritual rest offered to New Covenant believers.
At this point, we would anyone trust you? You add, twist and invent...
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
Don't keep arguing. In Hebrews 4:4, the connection is made with the "seventh-day". Paul in verse 9 links the "sabbatismos" to the 7th day creation. There is no doubts about this. I did not twist anything. That I am twisting something is the figment of your wild imagination. I can tell that your mind is completely gnarled, and are completely unwilling to submit. You are on a desperate, and hopeless trail in attempt to save a doctrine that has no bearings.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawgdawgrain
Nope. It's called exegesis. Evangelical Christians don't understand these texts in Ephesians. They don't know how to compare scripture with scripture. They are confused when they read the Bible. God has given these understandings to Adventists, who know more about what these passages are talking about than they do. The "word of truth" is the Law of God. "Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and THY LAW IS THE TRUTH" (Psalms 119:142). There it is!!
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
Also, in 2 Tim. 2:18,19, we are told that the "foundation of God" is the "seal". What is the "foundation of God"? In Ps 119:142 we see that God's righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, & His law is the truth. In vs 172 we are told that "ALL His commandments are RIGHTEOUSNESS". In Ps 97:2, we're told that "righteousness and justice [or judgment] or the FOUNDATION of his throne!" Therefore, the Foundation of God IS the 10 commandments! :) Rev. 11:19 and 15:5 seal this in stone! =]
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
No, the 10C's are not the "foundation"...that's just silly. Those commands don't even apply to the angels and certainly not God. Can a genderless being commit adultery? Who is their Mother that they may honor her? Do they covet one another's animals? We know the Sabbath was "made for man", not angels. There are eternal principles behind every command God has given, but that does not mean they are eternal. Seriously? The Law was "added" "until" (Galatians 3:19-25).
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
It's not just silly. I proved it to you from scripture. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. God's Ten Commandments in heaven have been "adapted" for fallen man. However, there are principles God has in place for His angels. But, for man, that's how they are encoded. The "principles" have been adapted for fallen man, yet the principles themselves do not change. Satan broke all 10 commandments when he rebelled in heaven.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
For example, when Satan exalted himself, he broke commandment 1 & 2, & erected the Tower of Babel. He also broke command 3 by taking God's name in vain in declaring himself to be above God in Isa 14. He broke the 4th command when he chose the 1st day over the 7th, because he wanted to be "first". He dishonored his father in the 5th, he stole, he killed, he committed adultery when he divorced heaven, and he coveted a position that did not belong to him. The "principles" are still there. ;)
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
Who was the Angel's Mother?
A genderless being CANNOT commit physical adultery which is what the command states. Don't change the context of the command to fit your belief construct.
Did he covet the angel's wives?
And please...the Sabbath was "made for man", not angels...and certainly not God. God does live by our time cycle...
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawgdawgrain
Should have written "DOES NOT"...
God does not live by our time cycle...
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
Whether an angel has a mother or not is irrelevant. The principles of the Ten Commandments were God's "adapted" law for the human race. You are intelligent enough to know this. And if you deny it, without question you are being dishonest with yourself. Tell me, when a Church divorces Christ and marries the State, is this not a form of adultery? Such evidence is profusely demonstrated with the Harlot in Revelation. The "principles" involved in the Ten are deep, vast, and profound :)
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
Yes, the principles behind the commands on the stone tablets are eternal, but not the exact words. That's simply an impossibility. The principle behind the 4th commandment is a spiritual rest, that is eternal. The physical rest, which was "made", given to Israel through all of her holy days (Neh 10:31), was a shadow that pointed to the true rest in Christ. That is clearly pointed out in Hebrews 3 & 4.
Sorry, I know you want the Sabbath Day to be eternal, but it's not :(
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
The Sabbath was "made" for man's rest, not angel's. However, the principle of rest in God pre-existed the angels. But remember that God was the one who rested on the Seventh-Day, and every Sabbath we enter into this rest WITH Him according to Hebrews 4. Therefore, it is not unlikely that the angels as well respect the Sabbath. In the New Earth, ALL flesh will be worshiping God every Sabbath according to Isaiah 66:22,23. Are we to think the angels will not participate? Unthinkable.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
Ugh...so many SDA's butcher Isaiah 66, I see you have done the same :(
Are you prepared to take the entire section as literal or just the part about the Sabbath? The context of the section begins at Isaiah 65:17 and carries on through the end of the book. It mentions the child dying at 100 years old in the new heavens and new earth. Is that your Heaven? You can't pick and choose...either it's all literal or all symbolic and connected to Israel's history...
*cont*
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
When the Bible student actually looks at the context instead of proof-texting, they will see that the entire section is prophetic for Israel and describes a place of harmony that would have existed ad Israel obeyed and accepted the Messiah, etc.
Otherwise, you've got kids dying in Heaven...Oh, but they do observe the Sabbath for 100 years.
Seriously Marcos?
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
As much as a Bible student as you may claim to be, Hawg, you are FAR from it. Your heart is in rebellion against God's law, and hate to see your face when the plagues fall and you realized you are lost because you refused to keep God's Ten Commandments by faith. Old Testament Israel was a TYPE of world-wide global Spiritual. You have Old Jerusalem, and the earthly Sanctuary, with Local Israel. In the New Testament, you have New Jerusalem, the Heavenly Sanctuary, and Global Israel.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos - Here's a caution for you. You are preaching a false gospel. It is foreign to the gospel Paul preached. It is an activity that Paul says will leave you "cursed" (Gal 1:9). You worship at Mt. Sinai while the rest of us worship at Mt. Zion (Heb 12:18-24). You embrace the "ministry of death engraved on tablets of stone" (II Cor 3:7-18) and will remain behind the veil until you allow Jesus to remove it. Oh, and where did I claim to be a Bible student? You're inserting things again...
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
In II Cor 3:7-18, Paul shows that the Ten Commandments are the ministration of death. What's his point? His point is that as long as they remain in stone, they condemn the guilty sinner. That's all the law can do is minister death. That is why Christ, through the Spirit, saves us from the penalty of the law. This transpires only when the heart is renewed by the regenerating power of the Spirit, and we confess our sins, repent, and turn away. The glory of Moses' ministration was done away.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
Yours is not a New Covenant at all, it's the same one written somewhere else.
Suppose I pulled my car out of the garage and decided to call it "new" because it was now parked in the driveway. Would it be so? It's silliness Marcos...
Tell us, which Law is higher?
1) Thou shalt not murder
2) Don't be angry
The New Covenant is "more glorious" Marcos...don't stay at Sinai, come to Mt Zion...
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
What you are really trying to say is that in Jeremiah 31:31-33, God is saying that the Law He would write in the New Covenant is a "new law". I'm sorry Hawg, but there is no inferrence or intimation of a "new law" anywhere. It's the SAME law! Paul also never once stated in Hebrews 8:7-13 and 10:16 that it was a "new law". It was the "same law". That is the New Covenant--where the same laws transfer from stone--from the letter--to the renewed heart in the Spirit--and we live by faith.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
Same law...ugh...you don't keep the Law...you only observe part of it. If it is the same law, why don't you observe it all?
You want two laws, but Scripture does not support your desire.
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
Anyway Hawg, I will just remind u that u are fighting a LOSING battle my friend. U have nothing to stand on. Your house is built upon sand. The idea that Christ's laws replace the laws seared in stone at Sinai is nothing but sheer bird-chirpin gibberish & foolish chicanery. The real issue that u are having is that 4th commandment Sabbath. It is the Sabbath that irks u, & it is PRECISELY why God is using it as a test in these last days--to see who REALLY wants to do what is right from the heart.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
So it was not the law, the Tables of Stone, that was done away with. Read II Cor 3 carefully again. You will see that the veil that was removed was the ministration of Moses, the glory of Moses. Now, Christ has replaced Moses as our High Priest, and His glory shines on the law even more! Christ ministers on our behalf, but the law still remains. If the Moral Law was still not in effect, then Christ is ministering for absolutely nothing.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
So anyway, to wrap this up, I will tell you straight: it is u who is preaching a false gospel. A lawless gospel. An Antinomian, Gnostic, Manichean gospel that emanates straight from the mouth of the hermetic dragon. The message in Galatians is concerning the ceremonial rites & activities of the book of the law. Their issue was circumcision. We Adventists are NOT keeping any of those laws. When we do, we r attempting to atone for our own sins, which places us under the law's condemnation.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
This tells me you are not reading my posts closely. You wrote I am preaching a "lawless gospel". That is a lie, I've already told you I am under Christ's Law (Gal 6:2; I Cor 9:21).
The message in Galatians is "THE LAW"...not parts of it...but "THE LAW". Even your prophet agrees:
"I am asked concerning the law in Galatians. What law is the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ? I answer: Both the ceremonial and the moral code of ten commandments." 1 SM 233.1
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
You state "I am under Christ's Law" (Gal 6:2;1Cor 9:21), but you ignore the fact that Christ came to "magnify the law", and "make it honourable" (Isa 42:21). Which law was he talking about? Some new, unknown law? Also, which commandments were to stand fast forever & ever in Psalms 111:7-10? Which laws were these? Some, unnamed, unambiguous laws? After all, did not Christ say "Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning"? (1 Jn 2:7)
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@Hawg
Concerning your statement in 1SM 233. Of course the schoolmaster was both the ceremonial & moral code. You r misunderstanding the deeper issues though. U are looking at this subject very superficially. U seem to forget that the ceremonial law still exists, and is still a requirement. But it has transferred from the earthly sanctuary to Christ's High Priestly ministry in the heavenly sanctuary, and reflected antitypically in our lives. But the Ten are kept both spiritually and physically.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
@VibrantMarcos
The Law ended with Christ:
"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Rom 10:4
"Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ..." Rom 7:4
"What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come..." Gal 3:19
The law had a beginning and an end. God does have an eternal Law but it is not the Mosaic codification of His law...that has ended.
Hawgdawgrain 4 months ago
@Hawg
In a nutshell, OT Israel was a type of NT Israel. But the Law is still the same. The Heavenly Sanctuary was patterned after the Earthly, and it contains the Ark of His Testament (Revelation 11:19), and His "testimony" (15:5) which is the Ten Commandments (Exodus 25:16; 32:15).
The Moral Law of Ten Commandments has not changed. God built a heavenly sanctuary so that fallen man might come before Him to obtain Mercy through Christ. That Law in heaven's ark has been adapted for fallen man.
VibrantMarcos 4 months ago
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hardrockhouse 2 years ago
I believe what they're saying is that when the antichrist makes the sunday law all will have to worship at church. those not worshipping will not buy, or sell or in other words survive The antichrist knows that the followers of God will not follow this because they will know when this is happenening. But the others who don't follow Christ wiil have to worship Him if they want to eat and survive. Anitchrist knows he has no chance with God's children. He will try to get all of the others.
lorijeans59 2 years ago
I have rethought this and a day of worship is possable. But we will still need a Mark like verichip or barcode to show we do goto worship the Beast if not then they will not know we don't worship the Beast. Verichip Barcode is the mark.
hardrockhouse 2 years ago
The mark is Sunday Worship. The chip is the tool they will use to enforce it. Be not deceived. The mark in the forehead refers to what you think. It is figurative, not literal.
DigitalPraise7 2 years ago 3
@hardrockhouse well its quite simple. when you dont go to church, people will start to realaize, and you might even get ratted out by some former friends. i mean they already no everything about us already. so when sunday law comes, sooner or later people will see that we arent in church, they already established a sunday law in an american state once for a period of time. i forget what state though, and alot of people got fined, so they started to go to church. i forget how long it lasted
pyrofreak8 1 year ago
@hardrockhouse and they never used know chip
pyrofreak8 1 year ago
@hardrockhouse people seem to forget that the beast in rev 13:17 says, And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the Mark, OR the name of the beast OR the number of his Name.
Three different distinct marks, First comes the image then worship, then the mark. So ur right we do need to look out for a physical mark as without it how would they know who worships on what day, also the only thing they can give those who worship the beast is satan's chip (mark/name/number).
queenjahh 11 months ago
The antichrist is not just one person but a global religious system. That claims to be God's representative on earth which should be reserved for the Holy Spirit and Holy Spirit only.
propellerblades 2 years ago
The Bible says that the ones that folow the beast will be, "Those whose names are not written in the Lambs book of Life." So Christians won't be deceived because their names are written in the Lambs book.
The antichrist people usually refer to is the first beast of Revelation 13.
patienceprence 2 years ago
You misinterpreted me. The antichrist has to infiltrate christianity to pull off the deception that he is Christ because no other religion accepts Christ. The pagan nations around the world look to buddha, krishna, allah, and all other false gods as their messiah. The bible says that he will look like the true God.
propellerblades 2 years ago
The second beast, the false prophet will be the one deceiving those to worship the antichrist the first beast of Revelation 13.
patienceprence 2 years ago
@propellerblades Search for Maitreya on Share International. He is the Antichrist.
hardrockhouse 2 years ago
That means he has to come through the christian faith and no ohter religion. When he does this all other religions will follow because the christian faith sets the guideline for world affairs( the Papacy).
propellerblades 2 years ago
@patienceprence Amen I agree.
hardrockhouse 2 years ago
prop, Google MAITREYA SHARE. There you will find an antichrist who will be all to those who are not Christians. Then google MAITREYA SHARE MASTER JESUS, He is his sidekick, the possible false prophet. The false prophet will try to deceive the Christians into worshipping the antichrist. Watch my video, Antichrist 666 mark of beast. It is based on scripture.
Blessings
patienceprence 2 years ago
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patienceprence 2 years ago
Meaning he will be looked at as the true God through deception ( the media and popularity). So he has to come through the christian faith because no other religion acknowledges Christ as God. That should narrow it down for everyone
propellerblades 2 years ago
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev. 13:8
So if you are a Christian, believe in Jesus and have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, your name is in the Lambs book of life and you wont be deceived. So I believe your wrong when you say he will come through the Christian faith...
patienceprence 2 years ago
The word "ANTI" not only means against but it also means "in place of ". So the antchrist that is spoken of in the Bible is one who thinks he is Christ. In 2 Thessolonians 2: 3-4 it says that he will oppose God but he would also sit in the temple of God showing himself as God. .
propellerblades 2 years ago
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patienceprence 2 years ago
I really love watching this sermon. We are truly in the end times and we need to truly prepare for Christ coming.
Yeshbeemeserlekh55 2 years ago
K, You have been so brainwashed... Again, read the BIBLE only and throw Ellen's books away. I showed where she is a false prophet, re: she said some would be alive (at the meeting) when Jesus returned. It did not happen.
patienceprence 2 years ago
HI ,do you realize that Paul thought JUSUS second coming was when HE was still alive and he talked about it? so he finally says he fought the good fight of faith and 2timothy 4:8 ,he ended up saying and admiting the a crwon will be awarded to him in JESUS return, and to all of those whom yearned and loved him?(JESUS) so does this make PAUL a false prophet? because he dindt quite understand about timing,was he a false prophet? GOD bless you
polecobre 2 years ago
Paul claimed to be an Apostle, not a prophet.
patienceprence 2 years ago
are you suggesting then,that Paul was indeed a false apostle, or was he allawed to be wrong on Jesus second coming because HE was an apostle?.DID JESUS ever claim to be a prophet ? but HE was too, so not because you have a title 0r not,to me, means that you could be wrong,refering to Paul threapostle. GOD BLESS YOU MY FRIEND
polecobre 2 years ago
Lets see, you started with defending EGW saying Paul also stated false prophecies and asked, if that made him a false prophet. I said, Paul said he was an Apostle not a Prophet. So it was obvious he was wrong if he said Jesus would come again while he was alive.
patienceprence 2 years ago
Thanks. What i wonder ,however ,is, what if the message is there but we have not being able to solve it yet,may be not even EGW UNDERSTOOD PLENTY enough of this ,and what if we are unattending this call? do You see what i mean?
polecobre 2 years ago
Pole,
I believe many prophecies arent understood until they are fulfilled. So, if we are living in the last days, (Israel became a nation in 1948) the coming beast of Revelation 13 must be alive and well.
Google Maitreya Share. Maitreya is the New Age Christ and fits every description of the coming antichrist and his name equals 666 in Greek and Hebrew gemetria.
patienceprence 2 years ago
I'LL tell what,peolple are very good at putting 666 to any name for the need of the world to believe or uncover somthing.If you look at the pope"s name(vicarius filli dai) you will find out that it very exact gives you 666,so we do not know very clear yet,but one thing i know: antiCHRIST,is everything tha oppsses CHRIST and His beliefs,for instance,do you know anyone who/whom deny the MESIAH? where do they live, is not believe in in the MESIAH opossed to CHRIST?so they are a form of antichrist
polecobre 2 years ago
The problem with putting the popes name as 666, is it is done in Latin. The Bible was written in Greek & Hebrew so the correct gemetria would be Greek or Hebrew, not Latin.
Another problem: The pope does not deny Jesus is the Christ. The Bible is very clear, he who denies Jesus is the Christ is antichrist.
cont...
patienceprence 2 years ago