Laibach / Volk - Zhonghua

[Strongone112]

Rice ,Rice, Rice,Rice. Get the point? Chinese invented Rice, and i think he said Arise many many times because he actually meant RICE

[zutflutefleur]

Fuck this band is so awesome, I just discovered them, and this anthems idea is just wonderful.

[Zerloch]

Corporations will feel the pressure to govern as they outgrow the nation states.

I'm all for corporate socialism. Come quickly into your own, great innovators!!

Free the corporate from profit!

Marxists have no enemies.

No matter what we do, "world communism" will be the final state...

[MrsTokyorose]

@Zerloch Yes, unfortunatelly, everything is going towards that..... isn't it???

[UberVersatile]

@Zerloch Well if you watch almost every Sci-Fi movie in which people can express themselves freely without restraint almost every dystopia is one of capitalism unregulated and almost every utopia is a form of shared and unified rule/semi technocracy.

Take for example the highly credited Star Trek series.

Do you see money anywhere?

But the thing is that Marx probably was off with many hundreds of years. The production level needs to reach extreme levels.

[benutzer29915022]

China´s people appear to be slaves since the very beginning...

They seem to even accept it more then we Westerners could.

First they we´re the slaves of "Nobles", Emperors, Militarists, then they were the slaves of the West, later in history they were enslaved by the Japs and finally the even enslaved themselves again... under the Red banner and now under the Capital like many other nations.

Even if we people of the west could life free we reduce us to functionaires and gears of the system...

[mistarcraw]

@benutzer29915022 the red banner is the banner of freedom. :D

[benutzer29915022]

@mistarcraw Since when? Since Josef Stalin? Mao? Pol Pot?

[mistarcraw]

@benutzer29915022 yep, since billions of people were lifted out of serfdom, extreme poverty, outright slavery, warlordism, and imperial genocide. Since the child prostitutes of shanghai were made impossible. Since the recurring famine in Russia was made impossible. Since the peasants and workers were made literate and educated, sending men into space

Sorry that you were indoctrinated by the History Channel and its ilk. the red banner of coca cola does not make great men, and so i am optimistic

[benutzer29915022]

@mistarcraw I´m from Germany. Not from America, you red facist.

[mistarcraw]

@benutzer29915022 oh no, not germany, an outpost of the american empire, soon-to-be Coca Cola empire. how can i ever grapple with this, your lazy, stupid first world lifestyle built on bones of children???

even fascists, the crisis formation of late liberalism, are better than you Last Men. please stop skipping your classes at Dorrito University Bodenwerder or whatever

[benutzer29915022]

@mistarcraw Yet I´m not a neo-national socialist, their opinion about you socialists and communists seem to be right. The new facism, the red facism, says it would be the anti-facism. That´s how it works.

I hope you all die in the neutron bomb´s radition of Yisra` el and the United States! Better dead then red!

Yes, we in Europe have wealth because we do not waste our time with religion like the muslims or kill our intellectuals because they would be "bourgeoise".

NATO FTW!

[mistarcraw]

@benutzer29915022 hahah you waste your money that was plundered by the Americans, the British and French genocides all over the world on Cheetos and phones that can show porn in-ever-more high definition! Your pathetic, disgusting lives are only full of dread, cynicism, self-loathing, and depression.

you create nothing and are weak, all you care about is comfort, safety, banality, and pleasure. Just like Nietszche said about the reaction to nihilism: you are the pathetic Last Men of the world

[mistarcraw]

@benutzer29915022 and your precious NATO is out-smarted at every turn by farmers and goat herders. truly pathetic

sorry bout your dumb-fuck budding fascism built on pleasure and self-worship. you white nationalists are just corrupt degenerates

[benutzer29915022]

@mistarcraw You are allowed to be silent, now. Subhuman foreigner!

You`re pretty dare to talk to a German in a way like that! But who dares wins, right?

You can say what you want, it is all just jealousy throughout no one will ever be able to set the world on fire like we Germans did! We are no invaders anymore and but we are in the NATO and if it is needed we´ll send our superior Leopard´s into battle when it´s up to defend our privileges! I hope you die of cancer from NATO

DU ammo!

[mistarcraw]

@benutzer29915022 "The physical condition of the soldiers was already in question after a German armed forces report found that 40 per cent of its soldiers aged 18-29 were overweight"

listen here, i am for justice, and i'll let you have the chance to correct your human failings. the west, 1st world, informal 'white nation' is corrupt, decadent, and growing weak in its pursuit of flesh. we are creating our own insurmountable crises, and our ways will not save us. its time for humanity's triumph

[reddenbawker]

@mistarcraw Well at this rate Humans are nearing their naturally given capacity. We multiplied too much and soon we will all die to a bottleneck. Where we will die or learn. It sucks, but it's nature and you can't fuck with nature.

[mistarcraw]

@reddenbawker yes, we are burning through our natural resources and shredding the ecosystem, i absolutely agree. but the thing is: this is fueled almost entirely by a late capitalist model of consumption that is ludicrous. marx referred to 'anarchy of production' where owners decide what to produce and how, according to profit, but rarely in accordance with common good. this we witness: production bringing humanity to its greatest crisis, of course a reflection of the structure of our society

[BloodskullMannoroth]

@mistarcraw "According to profit", which is directly correlated to the will of the people. If the people choose something that isn't "in accordance with the common good" then so be it. And over consumption can at worst lead to mass starvation, which solves the problem of over consumption.

[mistarcraw]

@BloodskullMannoroth nope, the will of the bourgeois is the one 'according to profit'. Sorry, I know Milton Friedman was once strong and persuasive, but you are seeing that entire ideology disintegrating wholesale as massive events thunder throughout the world. the decision to support one commercial brand over another, is not the 'will of the people', even if it is indulged in by a dull, fat and stupid 10% of the total world population

[BloodskullMannoroth]

@mistarcraw Like the living standard in China and rising as it becomes more Capitalistic?

But to be serious, what are these massive events you speak of?

[mistarcraw]

@BloodskullMannoroth that's because the living standard is mitigated by state intervention which controls for the excesses of the market, this however does not last, historically (see how the western Welfare state / unions are being disintegrated) or is even true for the majority of the population

& how about the events across the Arab world? or say the sharp rise of fundamentalism in relation to expanding economic/social liberalization (not just the Taliban, but also American fundamentalists)

[BloodskullMannoroth]

@mistarcraw You're making a connection between social and economic liberties and the rise of fundamentalism? Assuming that's true, I don't see how that displays the dismantling of functioning capitalism around the world.

[mistarcraw]

@BloodskullMannoroth because it causes ever-increasing crises by its own catastrophic 'normal' functioning: atomizing individuals from social context, crises of ecology and psychosis. capitalism is the very base of our economic production and distribution, it is tied intrinsically to survival, hence we can read about the effects that this distribution/production has on humanity (not an idealized form, but its actual form). and the direction its going is not very good, even more catastrophic

[BloodskullMannoroth]

@mistarcraw It seems like every nation not based on capitalism ends up corrupt and poor, and then collapses, so your alternative is likely less practical anyways.

And it should be noted that capitalism defines all unregulated trading, which includes very personal transactions, so prohibiting all capitalism would make life miserable.

[mistarcraw]

@BloodskullMannoroth capitalism is not the Eternal Idea. Capitalism is a stage of development, and like feudalism, and hunting-gathering, it is not something that cant be overcome

"every nation not based on capitalism" is a little disingenuous because capitalism rules the day. state intervention has always been part of it, success is sustained via imperialism and uneven development of the Third World. How else do we get such cheap goods/resources/labor? From the suffering majority of humanity

[BloodskullMannoroth]

@mistarcraw Capitalism is simply trade without government rule, you make it seem like it arose recently and now it's time to advance past it. But I doubt capitalism can be "overcome" because once you get a state to fully take over the economy the government rapidly becomes corrupt.

And there has always been poverty, when "exploiting" the poor capitalism is offering something in exchange. The poor choose to take terrible jobs because nothing else is available to them.

[mistarcraw]

@BloodskullMannoroth that's karl popper's myth. capitalism isn't simply 'trade'. if that was true, then Somalia would be a free market paradise. it hasn't been around forever.

and if you think that poverty has always existed, well haha then boy do i have some bad news for you

[BloodskullMannoroth]

@mistarcraw Capitalism in English has a definition you can find in dictionaries, simply put its definition is "non-government regulated trade", and trade unregulated by government was almost certainly the first kind done by humans. Poverty too has an English definition, and it applies well to early humans dying of hunger and illnesses.

It's fine to have personal definitions, but when speaking to a stranger in English, don't expect them to adhere to your biased ones.

[mistarcraw]

@BloodskullMannoroth hahahhAHAHAHAH OH a personal definition ahhahahahahaha god you are thick,

here's a good ole English dictionary definition for you:

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Of low intelligence; stupid * he's a bit thick * I've got to shout to get it into your thick head

thanks! i've argued against plenty of free market idealistic fools, but not many quite as dumb as you, you have no idea what you are talking about. Do you even understand the governing structure of corporations? Jesus christ.

[BloodskullMannoroth]

@mistarcraw Calm down, resorting to insults is base. You've still yet to counter what I've said, I see you've mentioned something about the "governing structure of corporations", how does that relate to our current topic?

[mistarcraw]

@BloodskullMannoroth as if the modern state would exist without capitalism, and vice versa, lmao

[ShahidMiller]

@BloodskullMannoroth

You might want to be hesitant before using the dictionary as an all encompassing authority. For one thing, simple trade is bartering and that cannot count as "Capitalism". Where's the capital? There is no precise definition for capitalism as a system. It indicates that the means of production are held by private hands and products produced and sold for a profit, which means you need money ... "Non-government regulated trade", so if I pay sales tax it is not capitalism?

[BloodskullMannoroth]

Profit and capital can both relate to value rather than money when used broadly. The thing is mistarcraw is against the liberal aspects of capitalism, arguing that not all free trade is capitalism in strict technical terms is kind of irrelevant to the arguments being made. I suppose I could use "economic freedom" to be more accurate.

Wiktionary defines regulation as "to dictate policy", so something like a minimum wage law. By "non regulated" I meant - the less regulated the more capitalistic.

[MrRadzaboy]

CHINA IS THE BEST .

[tenzingirl1]

ching chang chong!!!chinese goverment suckzzz

[Zerloch]

我是中文的学生

中国能不能定义

[prufenful]

"Fascist"; Chinese corporations actually have social responsibilities.

[einsatzdeath]

@prufenful Yes, just like in Il Duce's Italy.

[prufenful]

@einsatzdeath Then let's be fascists.

[coha9999]

起來，我們萬眾一心

[franznpdx]

China is not a Communist nation it is in fact the definition of a Fascist state.

[wzyazy]

Yes, because I was living in this country

[benutzer29915022]

Its a half capitalistic-half socialistic nation. It was a socialist dictature but it got capitalized and westerned a lot...

[Sirenensang]

Not really, considering they don't flag others as being worth less than they are. They are a dictatorship, of course, but they are not fascist.

[tyrannicoystercult]

@franznpdx i would call it a totalitarian/ single-party capitalist state with a troubled past of communist culture and self-understanding corrupted by censorship. there is more than one layer of guilt or innocence to a state.. everybody can relate to their own country's levels of politicians, some of which are honest and passionate while others are thieving corrupt fools. china has this same problem, many people have the dillemma between embracing the national hope, or giving up amid corruption

[LeThoem]

@franznpdx

haha, funny what western people think.

[nbixel]

Wow fantastic interpretation; so far Laibach's best album I am thinking

[sfenotola]

@nbixel you are so right

happy new year

[ShadeNBG]

Im from serbia i have been on beer fest they are fantastic the most greatest group on a beer fest they fascinate all people they are rly good this song was also on beer fest if u wanna hear it PM me ill send u a link Greetings From Serbia...

[dd452]

What a rich and imaginative vocabulary!

[Hammerheart88]

Well you just wait till your God's nation aka USA collapses and China replaces it. You fucking whore.

[Bluehawk2008]

You're thinking of Thailand. It's a common mistake.

[LeoXiao92]

lol China's anthem is so badass...

[AbsinthianEnvy]

@LeoXiao92 Hell YEAH it is! I welcome our Chinese overlords. B)..... tomybed :x

[sanbastion]

They were good, I found so too. Them and Sydney I liked the most. Well done China.

[metramil]

China tiene lo peor de los 2 sistemas,el capitalismo y la dictadura de "izkierdas" eso es lo ke les gusta a los EEUU y a la UE.Deberian echarlos a todos al mar desnudos,VIVA EL TIBET LIBRE.

[Cr1nchy]

come to China first and see it for yourself my friend

[ghostinvisible]

I just hate dictatorships

It's a shame we gave them the olympic games

[ADVOCCCAT]

And what do You call western democracies? They are just as dictatorships as Chinese government is. The only difference: The Chinese are true to this and admit it.

[satail]

ARe they? Then why do so many people (chinese included) want to move to western countries?

[ADVOCCCAT]

They want to take our jobs away...just kidding. Either they don't know better or they just prefer the profit led dictatorship to one led by ideology. Think about Guantanamo and the jeopardized liberty we are about to loose(:)

[Valkbg]

China is the biggest corporation and the only nation-corporation.

[Valkbg]

Not that I know of any other.

[420Bongslave]

PROPAGANDA!

[JrFLYnnIV]

"People's" Republic, My Ass!

Fucking apologist!

[HORSTMEISTER]

ich hab eine Idee wenn Wenn Deutschland falls China keine Medailie bekommren sollte tauschen einfach alle staaten mit medaillien ihre ein und dafür krieg Tibet seine unabhängigkeit.

Und weil jeder weiss dass die Chinesen gedopt werden (wie immer eigentlich) und deshalb Disqualifizieert werden krieg Tibet seine Unabhängigkeit sehr schnell

[HORSTMEISTER]

PS: ich wollt erst was anderes scheiben hat sich aber scheiße angehört dann habe ich vergessen die erste zeile zu löschen also die 1. bitte ignorieren

[LeThoem]

@HORSTMEISTER

Kein einziger Chinese war gedopt.

[fhgsfghfhs]

scheiße

[Thumelikar]

Wer ? Du ? Genau ...

[letobacco]

all lyrics translated into English

[Kamikadze888]

Imperial language, as they call it.

[amaister93]

down with olympics in china! Free Tibet!

Great song though!

[protfl]

down with fake olympics in imperialist states and its puppets. chinese sportsmen would prove that u actually didnt support tibet, but were scared to compete chinese in fair challenge.

[inty2525]

nice point...

[inty2525]

TOOL

[fivestone]

there's just part of lyrics translated into English, and the music is totally different with the original Chinese song which is powerful and not oppressive

[komandanteIM]

I mean that the lyrics sound oppressive

[HopelessRaven]

Such country such song---> oppressive

[jugerre]

-vive la CHINE puisse telle, être eternel comme l' ALGERIE ainsi que d autre pays libre, contre l'adversiter et l'envaisseur america et ces alliers qui le suis aveuglement-

-lively CHINA can such, to be eternel as l ' ALGERIA as well as d other free country, against the adversiter and the envaiseur america and this Allier which am it blindly-

[komandanteIM]

it's a bit opressing)))

[odomaniac]

authority is always opressive