I view videos of science and discovery and am amused, amazed, and excited about the progress we Humans are making and it brings hope for the the future... then I scroll down to the comments and see that 90% of you guys are using the material to try and make some each other feel stupid about Atheism v. Religion, politics etc....
Here we have an ape understanding some of Human language and most of you jump at each other's throat to try and put each other down. You fools are the damn apes...
to loz the athesist evolution can exsist and so can god at the same time. God exsisting doesnt mean everything in the bible exsisted. look at god in different ways than religions say. i believe in evolution but i also believe in God. though currently i am trying to figure out wether god truly thinks of humans as "above" all other species.
@claynate actualy by evolution it is nothing more than a species surviving because their paticular trait allows them to in certain conditions the idea of superior can only work in specific ways like, how we can be superior at advanced mathamatics, but at the same time cheetahs are superior to us because their speed allows them to catch their prey or how a crocodile is more superior to its surronding because it can control its bloodvessels and wait out a drought over a month long without suctinen
@claynate If anything the most superior life on our planet would be single celled organisms because they have stood the test of time by surviving every great extinction on our planet and still have the capability on its own to kill any other life form if their adaptation permits. For the common cold the bloodstream is the most hospitable enviroment on this planet but yet it can thrive where there is a lack of nutrients all over the planet including deep in the Earth.
@megabeaver23 well "single celled organisms" is a broad term. but i was saying does god love humans over other life forms. i personally think he doesnt now, but whatever.
It's too bad humans have taken after violent patriarchal chimpanzees instead of matriarchal bonobos. Their methods of coexistence could teach us plenty.
@Rmg12 - You realize that most atheist (like Loz) are really no different from "these religious people" Atheist are every bit as judgmental, egotistical, prejudice, and every bit as willing to use stereotypes. In fact, I generally find that atheist are much more egotistical than religious people. Can't you see that they're just both sitting on opposites sides of a fence while throwing their bull shit at one another?
@n0b0dy7 dude sriously stop it , you have not slightest clue as to what you are talking about man, you are speaking about human nature nothing else. Religious goofs assert that they know how the universe was created, how man was created, there is a god etc etc. Atheist just simple say I don't believe you prove it, if their gods can perform miracles than science can test it because it affects reality.
@n0b0dy7 Wow...the irony in your statement is incredible. Judgmental, egotistical, prejudice, and every bit as willing to use stereotypes...yep, that pretty much explains you from your post. Oh, you forgot ignorant, and that's a big factor in the pap you're spouting.
Next time, try not to idiotically lump everyone into a specific category when you know very little about them.
Oops I forgot one more thing - the one pissing in his mouth. This is what happens when you lock up a very intelligent being. I would bet after a short period of time locked up in a room you would start excessively masturbating, peeing in your mouth and eating your shit.
Loz - there is no doubt you are a savant and probably on that fine line between madness and genius. I am fascinated, just fascinated with bonobos and the rest of the great apes. And truly amazed at the work of Sue (even though her voice annoys me to no end). Also, why the over feeding? It's sad to see an overweight Kanzi. In the wild and everywhere else I've seen bonobos, Kanzi is by far the biggest.
This is exactly what happens when you feed the likes of bonobos burger king, kfc, chinese and macdonalds. Kanzi has acquired the taste for human food and the reason for his size two things immediately come to mind 1. his metabolism and 2. monosodium glutamate.
In bonobos natural environment you are quite right, they are much more slender.
It is my understanding that food has not been the driving force behind Kanzi learning, they allowed Kanzi to learn through observations.
Why does AA32m7io1 go off on tangents about different references when he should be using the bible for this compliance? I thought he said humans don't understand the word of God.
"I thought he said humans don't understand the word of God."
Actually, the verse you are thinking of says, "But God has revealed them to us [Christians] through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God...But the natural man [unbelievers] does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14)
So, humans (i.e., Christians) do understand the Bible.
Sorry, I don't belong to your elite club. (Christians) only members allowed!!! How much money do I need to put in the collection plate to be in good standing?
First, Romans 3:23 says, "for all [ME, you, everyone] have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
But Romans 10:11 &13 tell us, "For the Scripture says, Whoever [me, you, everyone] believes on Him will not be put to shame. For 'whoever [me, you, everyone] calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.
John 3:15 says, "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."
How will you spend your time with eternal life? Why only humans, what about my dog he is part of my family. Why don't bees go to heaven? If I have sinned, why doesn't God take any responsibility for my actions he created me? I take responsibility for my actions and family why can't the almighty creator?
And 1 John 2:2 further says, "And He Himself [Christ] is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."
While God is not responsible for our sins, He heaped them all on Christ at the cross that we may have salvation. You may not believe that, but that is an incredible act of grace and mercy to provide us something none of us [myself included] deserves!
That's why Paul wrote in Romans 2:6, "[God] 'will render to each one according to his deeds.'"
But Paul also wrote in 2 Corinthians 5:21, "For He made Him [Christ] who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
"If I have sinned, why doesn't God take any responsibility for my actions he created me."
He created us with free choice. James 1:13 says, "Let no one say when he is tempted, 'I am tempted by God'; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone." God can't be for Himself and against Himself at the same time and in the same sense. God didn't make the devil, and He didn't make the devil do it. Rather, God made a good angel called Lucifer, and he sinned freely.
Is that a license to sin? Paul says in Romans 6:1-2, "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?" This doesn't mean Christians no longer sin. Rather, as a follower of Christ I am to do my best not to sin. But I fail miserably!!
Thankfully Hebrews 7:25 promises, "Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them."
"If Jesus saved us from our sins why do men still have to work the land a women still give painful birth..."
Jesus provides atonement for sin, not the eradication of sin. Here's a big surprise - I sin every single day!! Does that mean Jesus utterly rejects me when I do? No, because I believe in Him and can ask for forgiveness. 1 John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
You sin I dont, I am without sin and what makes me so special is I dont believe in mythology, all through these myths they preach the same kind of sick notions and christians stole their ideologies. OK then as you take the bible as literal, and your eyes have sinned then tear your right eye out and if youre right arm has sinned, then cut it off and throw it away, lets see if you take the bible as fact.
Here's the good news...Romans 5:8 - 10 says, But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Again, with the references you provided you are missing the context (surprise) of what He is teaching about sin. He is saying that Pharisee tradition teaches if you don't commit adultery, you're righteous. But that standard is too low. God never was concerned about the act, but rather primarily the attitude behind it.
In that same chapter, Jesus said, "Be ye therefore PERFECT, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect" (Matthew 5:48)
I was not giving you exact context I was referring to the cutting off body parts to please god, all through mythology this is stated.
Take away the mythical stories from Jesus ie Virgin birth, born 25th dec, resurrection, healing the sick etc and what is left? A man that said some nice things, he becomes totally irrelevant.
Earth like planet found with surface water, the bible will soon need updating to accept alien life; I cant wait for a new addition, long overdue. EVOLUTION OF THE BIBLE!
Speaking of mythology, the following link is to a short video of a debate between Dr. Gary Habermas (Liberty University) and Tim Callahan (skeptic) on the resurrection of Christ and if it's taken from mythology.
True and why does AA32 go to Muslim sites telling them the Quran is wrong because it contradicts the bible? Actual why doesn't he go to Afghanistan or Iran and tell them the Quran is wrong, they are great places to start these countries desperately need a Christian understanding LOL.
If I am looking to convert Muslims, I hear the UK actually has quite a few now days.
Now I am not an expert on the Quran, but I believe Sura 7:156-157 refers to the Torah and the Gospel. This indicates the Gospel was already in existence during the time of Muhammad. If not, why would the Quran say to judge by it, observe it, and call it God's revelation if didn't exist?
How is this any different from other animal training? Think of it - there are thousands of primates in zoos all around the world which are around humans all day long. So why can't they speak and communicate with humans by now? Below are a few vidoes I thought you might enjoy:
Amazon Parrot (he can sing songs in two languages!)
Its the level of human understanding that separates humans and the chimps/bonobos. They know specifics, if you had two trays of nuts and one tray had slightly less than the other does the chimpanzee hand over the less nuts no, they keep the one with more for their selves.
Chimpanzee have a faster mathematical brain than humans ie no sequencing, you can display 50 nos of screen for a few seconds then the nos disappear they beat us most of the time to locate them.
So why can't they speak and communicate with humans by now?
Kanzi can, they talk through their own language, Prof Savage-Rumbaugh can understand their tones, they obviously dont speak like us because their voice box are not as evolved as our own ie like tension on the string to produce different sounds. But kanzi knows and understand specifics of the human language like, go and get your coat, the red one with the green sleeves and not the black sleeves, they know specifics.
In an outing in the Georgia woods, Kanzi touched the symbols for "marshmallows" and "fire." Susan Savage-Rumbaugh said in an interview that, "Given matches and marshmallows, Kanzi snapped twigs for a fire, lit them with the matches and toasted the marshmallows on a stick." he then blew out the lit marshmallows, not one animal accept us apes knows to blow out a flame, you can not train such a thing.
Paul Raffaele, at Savage-Rumbaugh's request, performed a Maori War Dance for the Bonobos. This dance includes thigh-slapping, chest-thumping, and hollering. Almost all the bonobos present interpreted this as an aggressive display, and reacted with loud screams, tooth-baring, and pounding the walls and floor. All but Kanzi, who remained perfectly calm; he then communicated with Savage-Rumbaugh using bonobo vocalizations; Savage-Rumbaugh understood these vocalizations, and said to Raffaele
He'd like you to do it again just for him, in a room out back, so the others won't get upset. So a private performance in another room was successfully, peacefully and happily carried out.
Sue Savage-Rumbaugh has observed Kanzi in communication to his sister. In this experiment, Kanzi was kept in a separate room of the Great Ape Project and shown some yogurt. Kanzi started vocalizing the word "yogurt" in an unknown "language"; his sister, who was in another room went and got yogurt
Kanzi's accomplishments also include tool use and tool crafting. Kanzi is an accomplished stone tool maker and is quite proud of his ability to flake Oldowan style cutting knives. He learned this skill from Dr. Nick Toth, who is an anthropologist with the Stone Age Institute in Bloomington, Indiana. The stone knives Kanzi creates are very sharp and can cut animal hide and thick ropes.
Kanzi also plays and beats computer games, he fully understands the object of the game and to WIN.
There are many more examples of why Kanzi and the bonobo species are intelligent, bring a bonobo up in a human environment and they almost become human ie they cook and clean, watch tv, play computer games, use the toilet and wipe their own ass, as for a dog/parrot what do they do?. Bring a child up in the wild and they will become a wild species, this has even been proven, without language and fight and bark like a dog.
We can match his tool making to our own ancestors, exactly the same
Lots of species are smart, even earth worms have a certain intelligence however, us humans are at the top of the tree and the branch below us is Kanzi and the rest of our closest cousins.
"Savage-Rumbaugh understood these vocalizations, and said to Raffaele..."
Oh, so Susan understood them and interpreted. If this were court, I would object on the grounds of leading. Hey, I found a few more videos for your enjoyment:
Bedtime For Bonzo
/watch?v=pwIOEN6XamA
Trunk Monkey helps deliver a baby (apparently primates can become doctors)
Then you would be proven an idiot like Prof Behe. the evidence does not lie, Raffaele (a huge skeptic) knew what he was seeing and Kanzi said he wanted to do what Raffaele was seeing and Kanzi fulfilled his promise.
What about when the primatologists were in the corridor talking about which 3 groups they were taking out, Kanzi picked up the disabled bonobo and put her in the group mentioned by the primatologists, all were stunned at their understanding, the skeptical scientists were speechless.
I recommend you going to an ape trust like this and educate your understanding, see how human they act, sure in the wild they wont learn the same way but neither would a human being.
I also recommend you going to a teaching university hospital, speak to their biologists who will confirm human genomes and how come we have ape genetics, or do you believe that life is one big LIE and the only truth was written 2,000 yrs ago in a book?I read somewhere today that the gospel of mark is a fraud
Scientists believe the original hand written gospel of mark only dates back a few hundred years, now they want to test all the gospels and the Vatican have refused, I wonder what they would find? I recon they were written hundreds of years after Christ and not just the 70 that most accept. I always love how you try and disprove science but cannot back up 1 claim with evidence for creationism, its a joke.
God or not we have evolved, as Prof Miller says I dont believe god would LIE to us.
"'It is evident that there has been striking turnover in gene content between humans and chimpanzees, and some of these changes may have resulted from exceptional selection pressures, explains Dr George Perry [Arizona State University]"
"However, [25%] of the 355 CNDs that the team found do not overlap with CNVs within either species - suggesting that they are variants that are 'fixed' in each species and might mark significant differences between human and chimpanzee genomes."
Hey, I didn't name that video. As for your friend... I wouldn't tell anyone you know him (ha).
Seriously, what are your thoughts about the differences in single base pair substitutions in humans and chimps, and the article, "DNA Chunks, Chimps And Humans: Marks Of Differences Between Human And Chimp Genomes." (ScienceDaily, Nov. 6, 2008)?
Cause there are differences, we have evolved along a different path, the split of our ape chromosome, our food source is different, a huge beneficial advantage for our evolutionary lineage. Look at SIV; we can see through their evolution that they had their own form of HIV and other immunity diseases. I know for a fact that science daily agrees with evolution, so why do you try and fight fire with fire (in hope) when all evidence still supports evolution, what are you trying to prove?
Chimps have empathy, sympathy, compassion, love for their kind and others, chimps have been seen nursing injured birds back to flight.
Chimps in the wild have been observed (the researchers classed two of them as husband and wife) helping each other, one day the female was finishing for termites and the male was watching her struggling, he picks up a stick and shreds the end and passes the tool to his wife and she then successfully fishes, this is unheard of in the animal kingdom.
If you have the evidence that humans share most of our genetics with crows then I would believe because genomes dont lie. We can actually test for our ape lineage, its there in black and white. We share common genes with all species ie 40% daffodil and if we didnt evolution would be wrong.
Christianity has been going 2000 yrs can you back this claim up? no its faith and faith alone. A creator left no physical blue prints if it did we can see why he got the water system wrong.
Wow, I never knew You can use a chimpanzee's ass to record a Youtube video ...
NexisFilms 1 month ago
Why does she use that annoying "I'm talking to an infant" voice?
cablepanos 2 months ago 2
Panbanisha: "This is ridiculous. I have to share my hot dog with this fool."
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The bonobo looked annoyed with all the commands... im convinced!!!
VirginiaTagz 8 months ago
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VirginiaTagz 8 months ago
I love the part when she puts the gorilla mask to be scary, hehe, they're so freaking smart!
MsOpethLover 9 months ago
I view videos of science and discovery and am amused, amazed, and excited about the progress we Humans are making and it brings hope for the the future... then I scroll down to the comments and see that 90% of you guys are using the material to try and make some each other feel stupid about Atheism v. Religion, politics etc....
Here we have an ape understanding some of Human language and most of you jump at each other's throat to try and put each other down. You fools are the damn apes...
TheCrazyKakoos 1 year ago 4
to loz the athesist evolution can exsist and so can god at the same time. God exsisting doesnt mean everything in the bible exsisted. look at god in different ways than religions say. i believe in evolution but i also believe in God. though currently i am trying to figure out wether god truly thinks of humans as "above" all other species.
claynate 1 year ago
@claynate actualy by evolution it is nothing more than a species surviving because their paticular trait allows them to in certain conditions the idea of superior can only work in specific ways like, how we can be superior at advanced mathamatics, but at the same time cheetahs are superior to us because their speed allows them to catch their prey or how a crocodile is more superior to its surronding because it can control its bloodvessels and wait out a drought over a month long without suctinen
megabeaver23 9 months ago
@megabeaver23 ok, i know all that stuff about evolution.
claynate 9 months ago
@claynate Sorry for going over board.
megabeaver23 9 months ago
@claynate If anything the most superior life on our planet would be single celled organisms because they have stood the test of time by surviving every great extinction on our planet and still have the capability on its own to kill any other life form if their adaptation permits. For the common cold the bloodstream is the most hospitable enviroment on this planet but yet it can thrive where there is a lack of nutrients all over the planet including deep in the Earth.
megabeaver23 9 months ago
@megabeaver23 well "single celled organisms" is a broad term. but i was saying does god love humans over other life forms. i personally think he doesnt now, but whatever.
claynate 9 months ago
hotdogs? no wonder they're ginormous
AbsolutelyCrackers 1 year ago
But - awesome Bonobos research!
n0b0dy7 1 year ago
It's too bad humans have taken after violent patriarchal chimpanzees instead of matriarchal bonobos. Their methods of coexistence could teach us plenty.
psycotria 1 year ago
keep up the good work LozTheAthiest for proving these religious people false
Rmg12 2 years ago 3
Thank you very much!
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
@Rmg12 - You realize that most atheist (like Loz) are really no different from "these religious people" Atheist are every bit as judgmental, egotistical, prejudice, and every bit as willing to use stereotypes. In fact, I generally find that atheist are much more egotistical than religious people. Can't you see that they're just both sitting on opposites sides of a fence while throwing their bull shit at one another?
n0b0dy7 1 year ago
@n0b0dy7 dude sriously stop it , you have not slightest clue as to what you are talking about man, you are speaking about human nature nothing else. Religious goofs assert that they know how the universe was created, how man was created, there is a god etc etc. Atheist just simple say I don't believe you prove it, if their gods can perform miracles than science can test it because it affects reality.
kaiyeem 1 year ago
@n0b0dy7 Wow...the irony in your statement is incredible. Judgmental, egotistical, prejudice, and every bit as willing to use stereotypes...yep, that pretty much explains you from your post. Oh, you forgot ignorant, and that's a big factor in the pap you're spouting.
Next time, try not to idiotically lump everyone into a specific category when you know very little about them.
ShingoEX 1 year ago
Oops I forgot one more thing - the one pissing in his mouth. This is what happens when you lock up a very intelligent being. I would bet after a short period of time locked up in a room you would start excessively masturbating, peeing in your mouth and eating your shit.
UrbaneGent 2 years ago
Loz - there is no doubt you are a savant and probably on that fine line between madness and genius. I am fascinated, just fascinated with bonobos and the rest of the great apes. And truly amazed at the work of Sue (even though her voice annoys me to no end). Also, why the over feeding? It's sad to see an overweight Kanzi. In the wild and everywhere else I've seen bonobos, Kanzi is by far the biggest.
UrbaneGent 2 years ago
This is exactly what happens when you feed the likes of bonobos burger king, kfc, chinese and macdonalds. Kanzi has acquired the taste for human food and the reason for his size two things immediately come to mind 1. his metabolism and 2. monosodium glutamate.
In bonobos natural environment you are quite right, they are much more slender.
It is my understanding that food has not been the driving force behind Kanzi learning, they allowed Kanzi to learn through observations.
Thanks Loz
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
awesome video
TheAist 2 years ago
Thank you sir!
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
Why does AA32m7io1 go off on tangents about different references when he should be using the bible for this compliance? I thought he said humans don't understand the word of God.
Dwicker64 2 years ago
"I thought he said humans don't understand the word of God."
Actually, the verse you are thinking of says, "But God has revealed them to us [Christians] through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God...But the natural man [unbelievers] does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14)
So, humans (i.e., Christians) do understand the Bible.
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
Sorry, I don't belong to your elite club. (Christians) only members allowed!!! How much money do I need to put in the collection plate to be in good standing?
Dwicker64 2 years ago
"Sorry, I don't belong to your elite club..."
First, Romans 3:23 says, "for all [ME, you, everyone] have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
But Romans 10:11 &13 tell us, "For the Scripture says, Whoever [me, you, everyone] believes on Him will not be put to shame. For 'whoever [me, you, everyone] calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.
John 3:15 says, "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."
How's this elite?
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
How will you spend your time with eternal life? Why only humans, what about my dog he is part of my family. Why don't bees go to heaven? If I have sinned, why doesn't God take any responsibility for my actions he created me? I take responsibility for my actions and family why can't the almighty creator?
Dwicker64 2 years ago
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And 1 John 2:2 further says, "And He Himself [Christ] is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."
While God is not responsible for our sins, He heaped them all on Christ at the cross that we may have salvation. You may not believe that, but that is an incredible act of grace and mercy to provide us something none of us [myself included] deserves!
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
2 of 3
That's why Paul wrote in Romans 2:6, "[God] 'will render to each one according to his deeds.'"
But Paul also wrote in 2 Corinthians 5:21, "For He made Him [Christ] who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
1 of 3
"If I have sinned, why doesn't God take any responsibility for my actions he created me."
He created us with free choice. James 1:13 says, "Let no one say when he is tempted, 'I am tempted by God'; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone." God can't be for Himself and against Himself at the same time and in the same sense. God didn't make the devil, and He didn't make the devil do it. Rather, God made a good angel called Lucifer, and he sinned freely.
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
Sorry, that should be 1 Corinthians 2:10 and 14).
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
If Jesus saved us from our sins why do men still have to work the land a women still give painful birth, did Jesus not complete the job properly?
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
Loz, 2 of 2
Is that a license to sin? Paul says in Romans 6:1-2, "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?" This doesn't mean Christians no longer sin. Rather, as a follower of Christ I am to do my best not to sin. But I fail miserably!!
Thankfully Hebrews 7:25 promises, "Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them."
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
Loz, 1 of 2
"If Jesus saved us from our sins why do men still have to work the land a women still give painful birth..."
Jesus provides atonement for sin, not the eradication of sin. Here's a big surprise - I sin every single day!! Does that mean Jesus utterly rejects me when I do? No, because I believe in Him and can ask for forgiveness. 1 John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
You sin I dont, I am without sin and what makes me so special is I dont believe in mythology, all through these myths they preach the same kind of sick notions and christians stole their ideologies. OK then as you take the bible as literal, and your eyes have sinned then tear your right eye out and if youre right arm has sinned, then cut it off and throw it away, lets see if you take the bible as fact.
Matthew 5:30 and Matthew 5:29,Matthew 5:30,Mark 9:43-48 etc.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
2 of 2
Here's the good news...Romans 5:8 - 10 says, But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
1 of 2
Again, with the references you provided you are missing the context (surprise) of what He is teaching about sin. He is saying that Pharisee tradition teaches if you don't commit adultery, you're righteous. But that standard is too low. God never was concerned about the act, but rather primarily the attitude behind it.
In that same chapter, Jesus said, "Be ye therefore PERFECT, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect" (Matthew 5:48)
Uh oh, looks like I'm out, right?
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
I was not giving you exact context I was referring to the cutting off body parts to please god, all through mythology this is stated.
Take away the mythical stories from Jesus ie Virgin birth, born 25th dec, resurrection, healing the sick etc and what is left? A man that said some nice things, he becomes totally irrelevant.
Earth like planet found with surface water, the bible will soon need updating to accept alien life; I cant wait for a new addition, long overdue. EVOLUTION OF THE BIBLE!
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
Speaking of mythology, the following link is to a short video of a debate between Dr. Gary Habermas (Liberty University) and Tim Callahan (skeptic) on the resurrection of Christ and if it's taken from mythology.
/watch?v=yCsPpRp63Nc (5:40)
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
True and why does AA32 go to Muslim sites telling them the Quran is wrong because it contradicts the bible? Actual why doesn't he go to Afghanistan or Iran and tell them the Quran is wrong, they are great places to start these countries desperately need a Christian understanding LOL.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
If I am looking to convert Muslims, I hear the UK actually has quite a few now days.
Now I am not an expert on the Quran, but I believe Sura 7:156-157 refers to the Torah and the Gospel. This indicates the Gospel was already in existence during the time of Muhammad. If not, why would the Quran say to judge by it, observe it, and call it God's revelation if didn't exist?
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
How is this any different from other animal training? Think of it - there are thousands of primates in zoos all around the world which are around humans all day long. So why can't they speak and communicate with humans by now? Below are a few vidoes I thought you might enjoy:
Amazon Parrot (he can sing songs in two languages!)
/watch?v=50z_L07YnHQ
Smart Parrot Named Einstein
/watch?v=tfkPzwsx5HY
very smart dog..mathemathical
/watch?v=EAo0MJbsC_g
Now how can a dog learn math?
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
Its the level of human understanding that separates humans and the chimps/bonobos. They know specifics, if you had two trays of nuts and one tray had slightly less than the other does the chimpanzee hand over the less nuts no, they keep the one with more for their selves.
Chimpanzee have a faster mathematical brain than humans ie no sequencing, you can display 50 nos of screen for a few seconds then the nos disappear they beat us most of the time to locate them.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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So why can't they speak and communicate with humans by now?
Kanzi can, they talk through their own language, Prof Savage-Rumbaugh can understand their tones, they obviously dont speak like us because their voice box are not as evolved as our own ie like tension on the string to produce different sounds. But kanzi knows and understand specifics of the human language like, go and get your coat, the red one with the green sleeves and not the black sleeves, they know specifics.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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Small insight from his book: -
In an outing in the Georgia woods, Kanzi touched the symbols for "marshmallows" and "fire." Susan Savage-Rumbaugh said in an interview that, "Given matches and marshmallows, Kanzi snapped twigs for a fire, lit them with the matches and toasted the marshmallows on a stick." he then blew out the lit marshmallows, not one animal accept us apes knows to blow out a flame, you can not train such a thing.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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Paul Raffaele, at Savage-Rumbaugh's request, performed a Maori War Dance for the Bonobos. This dance includes thigh-slapping, chest-thumping, and hollering. Almost all the bonobos present interpreted this as an aggressive display, and reacted with loud screams, tooth-baring, and pounding the walls and floor. All but Kanzi, who remained perfectly calm; he then communicated with Savage-Rumbaugh using bonobo vocalizations; Savage-Rumbaugh understood these vocalizations, and said to Raffaele
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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He'd like you to do it again just for him, in a room out back, so the others won't get upset. So a private performance in another room was successfully, peacefully and happily carried out.
Sue Savage-Rumbaugh has observed Kanzi in communication to his sister. In this experiment, Kanzi was kept in a separate room of the Great Ape Project and shown some yogurt. Kanzi started vocalizing the word "yogurt" in an unknown "language"; his sister, who was in another room went and got yogurt
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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Kanzi's accomplishments also include tool use and tool crafting. Kanzi is an accomplished stone tool maker and is quite proud of his ability to flake Oldowan style cutting knives. He learned this skill from Dr. Nick Toth, who is an anthropologist with the Stone Age Institute in Bloomington, Indiana. The stone knives Kanzi creates are very sharp and can cut animal hide and thick ropes.
Kanzi also plays and beats computer games, he fully understands the object of the game and to WIN.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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There are many more examples of why Kanzi and the bonobo species are intelligent, bring a bonobo up in a human environment and they almost become human ie they cook and clean, watch tv, play computer games, use the toilet and wipe their own ass, as for a dog/parrot what do they do?. Bring a child up in the wild and they will become a wild species, this has even been proven, without language and fight and bark like a dog.
We can match his tool making to our own ancestors, exactly the same
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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Lots of species are smart, even earth worms have a certain intelligence however, us humans are at the top of the tree and the branch below us is Kanzi and the rest of our closest cousins.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
"Savage-Rumbaugh understood these vocalizations, and said to Raffaele..."
Oh, so Susan understood them and interpreted. If this were court, I would object on the grounds of leading. Hey, I found a few more videos for your enjoyment:
Bedtime For Bonzo
/watch?v=pwIOEN6XamA
Trunk Monkey helps deliver a baby (apparently primates can become doctors)
/watch?v=AI2FIFY2Z6U
monkey smells finger
/watch?v=DzZqje04vLE
Monkey Pee! (this one has not evolved enough)
/watch?v=N-yZFbzaWbg
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
Then you would be proven an idiot like Prof Behe. the evidence does not lie, Raffaele (a huge skeptic) knew what he was seeing and Kanzi said he wanted to do what Raffaele was seeing and Kanzi fulfilled his promise.
What about when the primatologists were in the corridor talking about which 3 groups they were taking out, Kanzi picked up the disabled bonobo and put her in the group mentioned by the primatologists, all were stunned at their understanding, the skeptical scientists were speechless.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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I recommend you going to an ape trust like this and educate your understanding, see how human they act, sure in the wild they wont learn the same way but neither would a human being.
I also recommend you going to a teaching university hospital, speak to their biologists who will confirm human genomes and how come we have ape genetics, or do you believe that life is one big LIE and the only truth was written 2,000 yrs ago in a book?I read somewhere today that the gospel of mark is a fraud
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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Scientists believe the original hand written gospel of mark only dates back a few hundred years, now they want to test all the gospels and the Vatican have refused, I wonder what they would find? I recon they were written hundreds of years after Christ and not just the 70 that most accept. I always love how you try and disprove science but cannot back up 1 claim with evidence for creationism, its a joke.
God or not we have evolved, as Prof Miller says I dont believe god would LIE to us.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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Monkey Pee!?
Firstly, you like these guys are ignorant fools; this is not a monkey, please go back to school.
Secondly, my mate at university did something like this in front of a couple of girls, so is my friend a non human being?
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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"'It is evident that there has been striking turnover in gene content between humans and chimpanzees, and some of these changes may have resulted from exceptional selection pressures, explains Dr George Perry [Arizona State University]"
"However, [25%] of the 355 CNDs that the team found do not overlap with CNVs within either species - suggesting that they are variants that are 'fixed' in each species and might mark significant differences between human and chimpanzee genomes."
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
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Hey, I didn't name that video. As for your friend... I wouldn't tell anyone you know him (ha).
Seriously, what are your thoughts about the differences in single base pair substitutions in humans and chimps, and the article, "DNA Chunks, Chimps And Humans: Marks Of Differences Between Human And Chimp Genomes." (ScienceDaily, Nov. 6, 2008)?
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
Cause there are differences, we have evolved along a different path, the split of our ape chromosome, our food source is different, a huge beneficial advantage for our evolutionary lineage. Look at SIV; we can see through their evolution that they had their own form of HIV and other immunity diseases. I know for a fact that science daily agrees with evolution, so why do you try and fight fire with fire (in hope) when all evidence still supports evolution, what are you trying to prove?
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
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Chimps have empathy, sympathy, compassion, love for their kind and others, chimps have been seen nursing injured birds back to flight.
Chimps in the wild have been observed (the researchers classed two of them as husband and wife) helping each other, one day the female was finishing for termites and the male was watching her struggling, he picks up a stick and shreds the end and passes the tool to his wife and she then successfully fishes, this is unheard of in the animal kingdom.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
"I know for a fact that science daily agrees with evolution"
Never said they didn't. I just find statements like, "significant differences between human and chimpanzee genomes" to be very... well, significant.
As for chimps using tools - big deal! See "Crows Can Use 'Up To Three Tools' In Correct Sequence Without Training"
(ScienceDaily, Aug. 6, 2009).
So if the use of tools by chimps is further proof of our evolution from them (as you suggest), did we also evolve from crows?
AA32m7io1 2 years ago
If you have the evidence that humans share most of our genetics with crows then I would believe because genomes dont lie. We can actually test for our ape lineage, its there in black and white. We share common genes with all species ie 40% daffodil and if we didnt evolution would be wrong.
Christianity has been going 2000 yrs can you back this claim up? no its faith and faith alone. A creator left no physical blue prints if it did we can see why he got the water system wrong.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
This documentary reminds me of the movie Planet of the Apes.
Dwicker64 2 years ago
Not far from the truth! I love planet of the apes!
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago