Don't you know that's what music is? A constant BITING of other groups... it's been going on since the beginning of music, there is nothing wrong with it... EVERY SINGLE ARTIST YOU LISTEN TO IS A BITER
I love Nirvana and "Come as you are", but they stole that riff. They changed it up a bit, but it's the same. All good though, they made a sick song outta it.
@TheSkunkman420 One of them? There was way more than one. Cobain slightly changed his picking pattern, but it's not just another song in the same key. This is a rip-off.
i agree with mutilated.... it was a little different but you could hear the influence.... it does happen all the time... as a musician i can totally understand.. my musical influences do have an impact on what i create...
Simple fact here, You CAN'T copyright chord progression of an instrument. You can make a song with different lyrics that uses the same notes and is played the same. If chord progression was copyrighted then people couldn't make new songs.
A lot of bands do that but it's not stealing if they change it. Like Cat scratch fever by Ted nugent vs smoke on the water by deep purple. Bothe have the same riff but cat scratch fever is altered a bit
it doesn't really matter anymore after Dave played drums for KJ on their second self titled album in 2003 all was just a memory....KJ had already dropped the lawsuit.........
@Loctorpse The intro to Come As You Are has 5 different notes. The intro to Eighties has 5 different notes too. They share 3 of the EXACT same notes, and the other two are the same but in different octaves. So stop talking nonsense... I don't what versions you're playing, because they must be wrong, unless you're too idiotic to realise what notes your playing...
@Loctorpse lol, you're sad dude. you need to come to terms with the fact that kurt wasnt infact the god you zombies make him out to be. everyone in the industry rips off of someone else's material, even the great ones. good luck.
I think the original influence, as pointed out by kingofpunk1977, was Days by Television - very similar. Can't post URL's so search for it on this site and compare!
Duhh yes its the same...just like SLTS/bostons more than a feeling, Lithium? Chicago's 25 or 6 to 4............of course its excusable since its cobain..let another artist do this or his wife admit she covered his tunes THEN all hell breaks loose..But no not Cobain the genius.
@primaryspiral sometimes ppl hear what they want to,.,,,please see the video on that , google it and do research...just like i had to...if you choose not to believe ANOTHER riff was taken for 1 of their songs, thats your choice
@htownlithium Nop... still can't hear it. In fact Chicago 25 or 6 to 4 consists in 4 chords A G F# and E, lithium is a sequence of 8 chords: D F# B G A# C A and C... and please don't force me to write Chicago 25 or 6 to 4 again, it tires me.
@SoDamnBionic you should have more respect for that "unknown band". you seem to not know anything about how many bands you probably listen to that they have inspired, you are very ignorant.
It was also the entire bass line that was taken. Eighties was a somewhat popular song in the 80s, I was a little kid then & I absolutely remember hearing it on the radio.
The sample is not enough as they were suing over the entire song, not the intro. Its better to have the entire songs side by side.
They knew it was similar, Kurt was actually against releasing it as a single for that reason. They were fans of Killing Joke, so sometimes it can be easy to subconsiously write something that sounds similar to other music you listen to, then you don't realize it until it's to late. Happens all the time.
@mutilatedLips81 dude i do this so much! i hate it too because ill bring it to the table at band practice and we'll write an entire song out of it! then once it is sounding awesome i hear the original song and im like...dammit. and then i try to decide if it is just similar or too close to copying :/
All of those songs are played differently, it would be like saying the intro to 'The Pretender' by Foo Fighters is a rip off of Stairway To Heaven, they all use the same notes, but in completely different orders and tempos.
Kurt hurt of Killing Joke. You should check out some Killing Joke and see why Kurt chose to copy from that band.
By the way, twenty years from now there will be some dopey kid saying, "Nirvana...never heard of them, nuff said." You are the dopey kid now when you say you never heard of Killing Joke. Twenty years from now there will be a dope who never heard of Nirvana. Ignorance just continues on and on and on....
Does it really matter they are both great songs there may be a similar intro but are both unique there are hundreds of songs that are blatant rip offs of other songs but who gives a shit Eh! Vive la rock
I am a massive fan of both bands. I also am a musician, It's a little bit alike ..but it's played at a different tempo, and with a different style, We are all influenced by our heroes.. and I expect Kurt had heard that song. But it's just coincidence.Kurt was too individual..to want to steal other bands stuff. They are both fantastic bands , and I salute them both! :)
@WavesofAbsoluteBlue dude Cobain never stole shit, listen too their music, an those riffs are different bro, so get your facts right an have respect for the dead.
man i heard the killing joke riff and i thought wow comeas you are does sound like that. then nirvana came on and i thought, but this is just so much cooler
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Cobain stole just about everything Nirvana did. The worst was that he was soooo jealous of Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder and wanted so bad to be him. Cobain = fail of life.
It's so funny seeing everyone giving their valid opinion.Which of course is backed up by all their degrees in music. It is very similar but hell so are a load of other songs but this one just got attention.
The intro to Eighties was stolen from the Beatles' Twist and Shout, which in turns is stolen from La Bamba which was stolen from my grand, grand aunt Matilda who got inspired by a stray dog's yawling.
Lets face it, if this killing joke version came out now for the first time, everyone would be like "omg they stole that from Nirvana's come as you are!!"
That does not even sound similar if you honestly listen to music. Come as you are is more played out an even more structured. Of course there is a similarity, but that doesn't mean that kurt or anyone from nirvana ripped off that riff and deserves crusifixition for the sucsess of that song. It's pure dark art. Appricate it or shut the fuck up. The choice is yours..
@rejectionsHD completely different?!!! Cmon man! they are technically different but VERY similar. They're even in the same key and have a very similar guitar tone and delivery. I'm a nirvana fan but you've got to be honest with yourself on this one man! I'd wager it was a situation where Kurt wrote the song thinking the riff came out of nowhere but he unintentionally ripped off the killing joke song a bit. And if that's the case big deal, kurt was a very unique and creative rock musician. I sa
@spittingjake technically different?? A LOT DIFFERENT! You know how to read tabs? Dude, 1st come as you are riff it's a lot smaller (eighties riff it's the doble of it), 2nd eighties riff involves 3 strings (E,A and G) and come as you are riff involves 2 strings (E and A) and 3rd the rhythm is completely different.
Completely different melody and different notes, there are about 3 notes used from that song in the Nirvana song. Its impossibly to not use a note which another song uses.
what is music in not a copy of everything previous no matter what genre....there is nothing original.Its all been played before. Now its a matter of bettering what has gone before. As did Nirvana!!!!!
what is music in not a copy of everything previous no matter what genre....there is nothing original anymore..Its all been played before. Now its a matter of bettering what has gone before. As did Nirvana!!!!!
Cobain once said in an interview (it is recorded in his biography also) that he was a huge Killing Joke fan. I wouldn't be surprised that he did 'borrow' the riff but more as an homage, not because he was a lazy git.
killing who??? yeah thats what i thought. im sure Cobain was like... "hey this is a cool riff, vanilla ice was almost shot by sticking a jingling sound in the song, so let me stick a jingle in the riff to make it different." obviously this band didn't make it very far and unless there can be evidence linking Cobain to this band i seriously doubt it. How about this... everyone stole from the Beatles cause they were the first actual alternative/rock band
and nervana was maybe 1990' time?? how killing joke stealen from nervana because killing joke eightee song was out 1984'?? and nervana was after 1990??
killing joke was great band^^ they were very popular in england,japan '80 time^^ i also like nirvana music,too both great isnt it? dont worry about killing joke... killing joke doesnt care a bout nirvana.. why u care?
nirvana was one of the biggest theives hell radiogiveshead stole the hollies the air that i breathe...modenr rock is loaded with hipocritical lying thieving fraudlent marxist phony fags who suck at music and life and pose like runway models representing a scene or "style"
if nirvana "stole" the intro they just turned that shit into fuckin platnium...happens all the time *cough* george harrison! he did the same fuckin thing and hes a got damn god
If you want to get technical about it, you could say that Killing Joke stole this lick from "let me stand next to your fire" by Jimmy Hendrix. Jimmy probably lifted it from somebody before him. Music is essientially emotion in an audible form and you can't go around copyrighting every damn emotion in the book, as with music. Real musicians actually take it in the highest respect when other musicians gain inspiration from their work. Cobain took the easy way out so who gives a shit anyway?
@ACWilderness They totally stole the melody of Satriani's song"If I Could Fly"talented!?Give me a break!Musically savvy?How can they be savvy if they steal someone elses music?Listen to "If I could fly"
@tgnz24 I've listened to it. IT'S COMPLETE BULL. Coldplay had never even heard of Joe Satriani before writing Viva La Vida; it was pure coincidence. Eventually someone's going to come up with the same melody at some point. Coldplay have repeatedly stated that they couldn't live with themselves if they had stolen someone else's music and they're talented enough not to need to. Joe Satriani is a soulless moneygrabbing dickhead who invented the charges just so he could cash in on Coldplay's fame.
In the music industry(The good one, not the pop&rap shit) Musicians constantly borrow riffs and licks from everyone, you could see that in blues a lot... and I really don't mind if they did it, but getting rich, and winning prizes for someone else art is shameful. It has the same tempo, the same chord progression, same melody.... Learn to listen to songs, take the dildo out of your ass, you stupid Coldgay & Rebecca Black lover motherfucking piece of flaming shit... .|.
@afms93 Learn to listen to songs? You're the one that needs to understand music. The chords in both songs are similar, using a I-IV-VI-V set in different orders, (so not the same, actually) therefore the melodies can often come out sounding similar. I bet you didn't even understand that, so why don't you fuck off and consider who actually knows more about music, because I guarantee you it'll be me. As it stands, I fucking hate Black, and Coldplay are infinitely better. Sort your life out, cunt.
@ACWilderness What a good bitch that you are. I bet you didn't even knew what was a "Progression" until you looked up on Google, did you? You stupid cunt..Do you know the chord names behind those Roman letters? Did you tried to make a Harmonic analysis? Do you even know what's a diatonic chord substitution? It has the same feel!! It's the same key!!! You the worse kind of internet troll, you are the gay Coldplay lover that cant handle that his "heroes" are in fact ColdStealers. Get a life u ass
@afms93 You're such a moronic dick it's unbelievable, I did Grade 7 Piano. I = Tonic, = Root Note = (in the case of Viva) A flat. I bet you couldn't tell me which notes go in an A flat harmonic minor scale, and the difference between that and a melodic minor. V = Dominant = 5th = E flat, if we're in the key of A flat. Pwnt much?
Having the "same feel" is an idiotic, subjective statement, they don't have the same feel at all to me.
@ACWilderness Faggots like you and Joe Shitriani just jump in and try to make themselves look cool by ripping on bands far more sucessfull than them with uncosidered, baseless accusations of plaigerism, then shoot themselves in the foot even more by bawling witless immature insults at anyone that destroys their arguments completely with logic, reason and knowledge, like what I just did to your pathetic excuse for a comeback.
@ACWilderness "....logic, reason and knowledge" ? Are you joking? My friend, I don't have any proof that you figured it out by yourself. You might as well be ripping off some website like Chris Martin or what's his face would do...Do you seriously think that your words on Youtube have any meaning whatsoever. You are just trying to get a way out of that hole that you started digging. At least GTFO with some dignity Btw...Transpose "If I Could Fly" to Fmin and check out the "Differences" ...
@tgnz24 Complete bull?Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.money grabbing?Satriani's been making albums for a lot longer than Coldgays been around.He doesn't need the money,they stole his art and got caught!Soulless?What would you know about soul if you're listening to coldgay?They're a shit band that gained notoriety because someone in that band is fucking gweneth paltrow.And if you play guitar you know who Satriani is so that argument is out the window as well.
THey are slightly different. I don't think the similarities were intentional. I mean, we are talking about manipulating 4 simple notes here. Anyone noodling on the guitar could have come up with something similar. But if you listen closely, they ARE different. And really, do you think Kurt actually NEEDED to rip off that riff? He has more talent in his pinky than either one of the other bands.
Bitch all you want, KJ ripped The Damned off more than Nirvana ripped off KJ by a long shot. Also Eighties, while still being an ace song, is lyrically irrelevant.
Bitch all you want, KJ ripped The Damned off more than Nirvana ripped off KJ by a long shot. Also Eighties, while still being an ace song, is lyrically irrelevant.
Who cares if the riff was stolen?? Even my 8 year old cousin could make a riff like that! Music is getting old, even if you do the most stuppid riff , you're already stealing it.
If Eighties has the same progression that Come As You Are has, why it didn't became a hit song? Cause Come As You Are is more known by the classic riff than lyrics.
Well, the same idea can born, it actually doesn`t sound 100% the same, but yeah, very close to it..I agree, maybe Kurt heared it before, and after he created this as his own meanwhile not knowing that it isn`t really his idea...Same happened to me few times, when i created something, and it reminded me of something, and if i knew that it is really used before, i just don`t work on the song :)
stop being little fagets and just enjoy both songs who the fuck cares if they sound like you should enjoy them not being all quiffing on them man who ever posted this you are fucking wasting your life buy trying to ruin to good songs
It's not just the riff – the notes themselves – but the distinctive guitar tone too. I can't think of any other Nirvana song with that 'underwater reverb' sound, but it does sound very similar to this Killing Joke song, on top of the riff/notes being very close.
Similar yes, but there are different rhythms and as for "Life Goes On" it is still different if anything "Eighties" sounds more like it than "Smells Like Teen Spirit."
trying to own shit like this 2 note cliche is like trying to copyright the 12 notes everyone plays with. its a totally stupid and american idea to think that writing this riff should entitle you to some of kurt cobain's money. if this were a legit case, the elvis estate should go ahead and donate every last dime to the naacp.
@paranoidjones um the band killing joke who sued nirvana IS FUCKING BRITISH!
im so sick of all this "its because their american shit" your a fucking racist and in this case your completely off base as the band doing the suing isnt american at all
also it is well known and documented that curt cobain himself did not want to release come as you are as a single because he himself acknowledged that the song was "way too similar to a killing joke song" but he was overruled by the record label
harmonic cliches abound in pop music, and post punk is rife with these 2 note- counterpoint progressions. different rhythm and a completely different (and superior) vocal melody makes killing joke's case a weak one.
it's a straight-up rip-off. I looked up the song's video to post on FB & ask why Nirvana wasn't sued. I see here that they were & Courtney Hole got them off by having Kurt murdered.
A fellow bass playing friend of mine's a big Nirvana fan. A few eeks ago while he was round with his bass, I stuck Eighties on, after discovering he could play Come as You Are, and he played the Nirvana riff over the Killing Joke track, and you could barely tell the difference!
Just to throw another snake in the pit. Hasn't there been claims Nirvana copied part of Boston's - More than a feeling - for the intro to Smells like teen spirit.
Saying Kurt Cobain is untalented is like saying the beatles had no influence on music. If you seriously think he's untalented, you are very ignorant on music. He brought a new style of simplicity to guitar players of his generation. And his voice has so much emotion, so much pain, sorrow, I can FEEL what he was feeling when he wrote it. Can't say that about many artists.
@MrSimon310189 WTF difference does that make? Just because the corporate swine told the masses in the early 90s they were supposed to like the grunge trend? Kurt Cobain is, was and will always be an unoriginal, untalented piece of shit like his wife courtney love.
FIEND CLUB FROM THE MISFITS KINDA SOUNDS LIKE BOTH OF THESE WELL ONLY THE INTRO
jbvistvchannels 4 days ago
I heard about this but didn't hear Killing Joke's song until now. They sound similar but are still different.
shaftesburyguitarguy 4 weeks ago
Don't you know that's what music is? A constant BITING of other groups... it's been going on since the beginning of music, there is nothing wrong with it... EVERY SINGLE ARTIST YOU LISTEN TO IS A BITER
k3n0bl 1 month ago
Killing Joke borrowed this riff from The Damned! The song is called "Life goes on". Go check it out!
fogoquechato13 1 month ago
I'm actually a little disappointed to be seeing this video
romoisabiyatch 1 month ago
I love Nirvana and "Come as you are", but they stole that riff. They changed it up a bit, but it's the same. All good though, they made a sick song outta it.
romoisabiyatch 1 month ago
Nah.. That's a stolen riff right there. If it had gone to court. Nirvana would have lost that one.
exportpro99 1 month ago
@exportpro99 lol if your right I guess killing joke would have lost to the damned as well. thats why they didn't
johnkiedis27 4 weeks ago
well there's so many notes on guitar, one of them is bound to be similar
TheSkunkman420 1 month ago
@TheSkunkman420 One of them? There was way more than one. Cobain slightly changed his picking pattern, but it's not just another song in the same key. This is a rip-off.
jvondd 1 month ago
i agree with mutilated.... it was a little different but you could hear the influence.... it does happen all the time... as a musician i can totally understand.. my musical influences do have an impact on what i create...
GUIDI420 1 month ago
it's only the guitar efect
MrFucker96TV 1 month ago
just like 2 minutes to mid night riff
jonterry100 2 months ago
Simple fact here, You CAN'T copyright chord progression of an instrument. You can make a song with different lyrics that uses the same notes and is played the same. If chord progression was copyrighted then people couldn't make new songs.
TheLudNuts 2 months ago
for me that's very different
frentei 2 months ago
A lot of bands do that but it's not stealing if they change it. Like Cat scratch fever by Ted nugent vs smoke on the water by deep purple. Bothe have the same riff but cat scratch fever is altered a bit
cooks24 2 months ago
it doesn't really matter anymore after Dave played drums for KJ on their second self titled album in 2003 all was just a memory....KJ had already dropped the lawsuit.........
smellyjonnie 2 months ago
It's just a riff, does that even count as part of the song credits? I thought it was just lyrics and melody.
JHAM3232 2 months ago
Yeah, they stole that shit.
andruandspanky 2 months ago
I can play both songs and they're not even the same notes...There is a slight similarity but that's it.
Loctorpse 2 months ago
@Loctorpse so are you oblvious sick with nirvana..
its ok me too in 15!
Troublemaker80s 2 months ago
@Loctorpse The intro to Come As You Are has 5 different notes. The intro to Eighties has 5 different notes too. They share 3 of the EXACT same notes, and the other two are the same but in different octaves. So stop talking nonsense... I don't what versions you're playing, because they must be wrong, unless you're too idiotic to realise what notes your playing...
UKWoodSea 2 months ago
@Loctorpse lol, you're sad dude. you need to come to terms with the fact that kurt wasnt infact the god you zombies make him out to be. everyone in the industry rips off of someone else's material, even the great ones. good luck.
avor 2 months ago
I think the original influence, as pointed out by kingofpunk1977, was Days by Television - very similar. Can't post URL's so search for it on this site and compare!
nothingnewsince82 3 months ago
Nirvarna is very influenced by Killing Joke... The tempo sounds a little bit slower on "come as you are". But definately the same riff...
crazy866 3 months ago
What's wrong with a little musical thievery. Both great songs.
tanpiltanpil 3 months ago
Both bands play simple garbage, so they were bound to play similar riffs eventually.
davidpolicastro 3 months ago
Guys it,s all water under the bridge Dave grohl played drums for a recompense as he knew they were ripping off there idols ok
cffalconer 3 months ago
sounds like they were definitiely inspired by Killing Joke's intro.
MAMRetro 3 months ago 2
Duhh yes its the same...just like SLTS/bostons more than a feeling, Lithium? Chicago's 25 or 6 to 4............of course its excusable since its cobain..let another artist do this or his wife admit she covered his tunes THEN all hell breaks loose..But no not Cobain the genius.
htownlithium 3 months ago
@htownlithium Explain me how does Lithium sounds like Chicago 25 or 6 to 4? I tried to hear any resemblances but had a hard time.
primaryspiral 3 months ago
@primaryspiral sometimes ppl hear what they want to,.,,,please see the video on that , google it and do research...just like i had to...if you choose not to believe ANOTHER riff was taken for 1 of their songs, thats your choice
htownlithium 2 months ago
@htownlithium Nop... still can't hear it. In fact Chicago 25 or 6 to 4 consists in 4 chords A G F# and E, lithium is a sequence of 8 chords: D F# B G A# C A and C... and please don't force me to write Chicago 25 or 6 to 4 again, it tires me.
primaryspiral 2 months ago
Same notes different rhythm
ss06033 4 months ago
Killing Joke is as known as i don't know them, Come as you are is the best
daku18 4 months ago
What band does not subconsciously copy their idols.
bradhannay 4 months ago
Of course Nirvana the no talent hacks ripped them off and that's all they knew how to do was rip off riffs.
XxSEETH3RxX 4 months ago
@XxSEETH3RxX screw u. nirvana's awesome.
detroitrockcity22 3 months ago
@XxSEETH3RxX Fuck you!
Jeroshio1 3 months ago
@XxSEETH3RxX your talking out your ass mate
yeahbruvinnit 3 months ago
I think Nirvana have just took the basic sound from that riff and made it better.
195jordan 4 months ago
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Same? No. Similar? Sure
s00133 4 months ago
If Killing Joke suck so bad and weren't inspirational, then why the fuck did Dave Grohl play on their fuckin' S/T album in 2003?
electrokinesis 4 months ago 5
i don't know. really, who cares? nirvana is better than this unknown band
SoDamnBionic 4 months ago
@SoDamnBionic Killing Joke have released over 30 albums. Unknown maybe to you but not to others.
bradhannay 4 months ago 19
@bradhannay But Nirvana's "come as you are" is more well-known than any thing from Killing Joke....
mikehowton707 2 months ago
@SoDamnBionic you should have more respect for that "unknown band". you seem to not know anything about how many bands you probably listen to that they have inspired, you are very ignorant.
MansonNiles11 3 months ago
Dude who gives a fuck....There are countless amounts of riffs that sound similar in the world of music.
WhatKindOfCake 4 months ago
@WhatKindOfCake i totally agree the whole debates just a load of shit
dougthealligator 4 months ago
same notes different rythnm
therunningmanlives 4 months ago
jealous of a guy who put a shotgun to his face? yeah right.....
magneto44 4 months ago
similar yes but it's not the same any f**king moron knows that
emmythehockeygurl30 4 months ago
he may have been inspired that's all. i don't know anyway.
Seed1992 4 months ago
Well I'll be Damned!
baggies5468 5 months ago
killing joke=no hope
nirvana=gods
never forget
camboy38 5 months ago
It was also the entire bass line that was taken. Eighties was a somewhat popular song in the 80s, I was a little kid then & I absolutely remember hearing it on the radio.
The sample is not enough as they were suing over the entire song, not the intro. Its better to have the entire songs side by side.
hndsmepete 5 months ago
killing JOKE.
SaintJorge304 5 months ago
They knew it was similar, Kurt was actually against releasing it as a single for that reason. They were fans of Killing Joke, so sometimes it can be easy to subconsiously write something that sounds similar to other music you listen to, then you don't realize it until it's to late. Happens all the time.
mutilatedLips81 5 months ago 42
@mutilatedLips81 dude i do this so much! i hate it too because ill bring it to the table at band practice and we'll write an entire song out of it! then once it is sounding awesome i hear the original song and im like...dammit. and then i try to decide if it is just similar or too close to copying :/
1S0AD1 4 months ago
@1S0AD1 Me to i hate it
rustywood123 4 months ago
its the same lick for sure, everyone knows Nirvana was a bunch of untalented fucks anyway
magneto44 5 months ago
@magneto44 hahah you made me laugh with your sureness lol fucking jealous hater
Seed1992 4 months ago
All of those songs are played differently, it would be like saying the intro to 'The Pretender' by Foo Fighters is a rip off of Stairway To Heaven, they all use the same notes, but in completely different orders and tempos.
corleonedon77 5 months ago
Killing Joke......never heard of them, nuff said.
mikeyhas 5 months ago
@mikeyhas
Kurt hurt of Killing Joke. You should check out some Killing Joke and see why Kurt chose to copy from that band.
By the way, twenty years from now there will be some dopey kid saying, "Nirvana...never heard of them, nuff said." You are the dopey kid now when you say you never heard of Killing Joke. Twenty years from now there will be a dope who never heard of Nirvana. Ignorance just continues on and on and on....
PrincePurple 5 months ago
killing joke stole from the damned, so fuck them
nymetsrock 5 months ago
they don't even sound that close.
WytLite666 5 months ago
Oh, I just LOVE "The Equals" song "BABY COME BACK!" #1 UK chart topper in 1968
Satyagrahaha 5 months ago
Yes! intro riff similar, but "Come as you are" is a Excelent Theme! better what Killing joke song i'm sorry.
estoesesto4 5 months ago
and Killing Joke stole it from The Damned and The Damned stole it from Timotheus of Miletus.
now get the fuck over it and grow up. :/ miserable pricks.
CCRockit 5 months ago
Sure the riff is similar, but when you hear both songs overall... the beat is totally different... thus songs has a totally different mood.
romanval69 5 months ago
Well do British Copyright laws apply to the US? Nope two different countries so who cares.
markssite 5 months ago
Killing Joke were, are and always will be better.
Problembeing 5 months ago
hey thats close...however...Nirvana's version is better
faltrax 5 months ago
Does it really matter they are both great songs there may be a similar intro but are both unique there are hundreds of songs that are blatant rip offs of other songs but who gives a shit Eh! Vive la rock
stringz121 6 months ago
close but different. thats just my opinion
magicmangoful 6 months ago
Maybe...but it could be an accident.
OlympiaMusicTV 6 months ago
I am a massive fan of both bands. I also am a musician, It's a little bit alike ..but it's played at a different tempo, and with a different style, We are all influenced by our heroes.. and I expect Kurt had heard that song. But it's just coincidence.Kurt was too individual..to want to steal other bands stuff. They are both fantastic bands , and I salute them both! :)
kernowrock555 6 months ago
@WavesofAbsoluteBlue dude Cobain never stole shit, listen too their music, an those riffs are different bro, so get your facts right an have respect for the dead.
alickxikenhower24 6 months ago
so?the chorus affect is a little close,but thats pretty much it.
billy7889 6 months ago
man i heard the killing joke riff and i thought wow comeas you are does sound like that. then nirvana came on and i thought, but this is just so much cooler
Metanoia112 6 months ago
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Cobain stole just about everything Nirvana did. The worst was that he was soooo jealous of Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder and wanted so bad to be him. Cobain = fail of life.
WavesOfAbsoluteBlue 6 months ago
greendays when i come around and bush x glycerine are identical with change pace ,both songs rock
mattdenty 6 months ago
Why's everyone arguing over 8 seconds, it's not like the world's going to end.
UndeadHomiCide 6 months ago
then i guess green day should sue papa roach's last resort for stealing brainstews riff...
crazy4baseball47 6 months ago
Whatever, copied or not, fits Come As You Are mood alright
I love this song!
Anyway, how could they sue Nirvana if Nirvana changed the tempo and speed of play? Means the tunes are already different.
TonyGognitti 6 months ago
It's so funny seeing everyone giving their valid opinion.Which of course is backed up by all their degrees in music. It is very similar but hell so are a load of other songs but this one just got attention.
Lesbotraitor 6 months ago
kurt took the idea from that song and changed it a little bit, he admitted it himself, so there's nothing to discuss.. it is different but similar.
dave grohl in 2003 played drums on their album to "pay them back" for the inconvenient.. that's it people
rbreadmaker 6 months ago
with only 12 notes in the world
who gives a shit when this happens
next thing ya know you're gonna say that Heart Shaped Box is a rip off of Territorial Pissings.
CUZ IT IS!!!
PrankZabba 7 months ago
The intro to Eighties was stolen from the Beatles' Twist and Shout, which in turns is stolen from La Bamba which was stolen from my grand, grand aunt Matilda who got inspired by a stray dog's yawling.
Headsign 7 months ago
Lets face it, if this killing joke version came out now for the first time, everyone would be like "omg they stole that from Nirvana's come as you are!!"
So yeah, its very likely.
markadair 7 months ago
i dont care, got stoned to them both, they are both fucking awsome!
dannydmangillz 7 months ago
killing joke aren't a punk band, they're a post-punk band, retard
evanimonlydancing 7 months ago
That does not even sound similar if you honestly listen to music. Come as you are is more played out an even more structured. Of course there is a similarity, but that doesn't mean that kurt or anyone from nirvana ripped off that riff and deserves crusifixition for the sucsess of that song. It's pure dark art. Appricate it or shut the fuck up. The choice is yours..
drummerkidkill 7 months ago
Killing Joke..
Beerhero2783 7 months ago
@rejectionsHD completely different?!!! Cmon man! they are technically different but VERY similar. They're even in the same key and have a very similar guitar tone and delivery. I'm a nirvana fan but you've got to be honest with yourself on this one man! I'd wager it was a situation where Kurt wrote the song thinking the riff came out of nowhere but he unintentionally ripped off the killing joke song a bit. And if that's the case big deal, kurt was a very unique and creative rock musician. I sa
spittingjake 7 months ago
@spittingjake technically different?? A LOT DIFFERENT! You know how to read tabs? Dude, 1st come as you are riff it's a lot smaller (eighties riff it's the doble of it), 2nd eighties riff involves 3 strings (E,A and G) and come as you are riff involves 2 strings (E and A) and 3rd the rhythm is completely different.
ironkid36 6 months ago
Completely different melody and different notes, there are about 3 notes used from that song in the Nirvana song. Its impossibly to not use a note which another song uses.
RejectionsHD 7 months ago
Who gives a shit really lets just listen to the music unbiased and stop hating.
guitarfreakRSS 7 months ago
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what is music in not a copy of everything previous no matter what genre....there is nothing original.Its all been played before. Now its a matter of bettering what has gone before. As did Nirvana!!!!!
paterson44 7 months ago
what is music in not a copy of everything previous no matter what genre....there is nothing original anymore..Its all been played before. Now its a matter of bettering what has gone before. As did Nirvana!!!!!
paterson44 7 months ago
He didn't copy it, he got inspired by it...You retard!
JoelNavaOfficial 7 months ago
@JoelNavaOfficial He told you that, did he?
cheekysausage 7 months ago
@cheekysausage I saw it in an interview of him.
JoelNavaOfficial 7 months ago
Cobain once said in an interview (it is recorded in his biography also) that he was a huge Killing Joke fan. I wouldn't be surprised that he did 'borrow' the riff but more as an homage, not because he was a lazy git.
EyesLikeBroccoli 7 months ago
Just sayin' - it wasn't about the whole riff, just bass. And about "Life goes on" by The Damned - it's a different riff.
OMItheDEVIL 7 months ago
The thing was that it wasn't the whole riff - just bass. Just sayin'
OMItheDEVIL 7 months ago
killing who??? yeah thats what i thought. im sure Cobain was like... "hey this is a cool riff, vanilla ice was almost shot by sticking a jingling sound in the song, so let me stick a jingle in the riff to make it different." obviously this band didn't make it very far and unless there can be evidence linking Cobain to this band i seriously doubt it. How about this... everyone stole from the Beatles cause they were the first actual alternative/rock band
clavis001 7 months ago
killing joke's album out early 1980'
and nervana was maybe 1990' time?? how killing joke stealen from nervana because killing joke eightee song was out 1984'?? and nervana was after 1990??
michiyo6666 7 months ago
@michiyo6666 It's opposite, i must say i had a hard time getting meaning out of your comment :)
TheRiffCalendar 7 months ago
@TheRiffCalendar
killing joke was great band^^ they were very popular in england,japan '80 time^^ i also like nirvana music,too both great isnt it? dont worry about killing joke... killing joke doesnt care a bout nirvana.. why u care?
michiyo6666 7 months ago
@michiyo6666 I dont care about "killing joke", it just seemed that you had misunderstood this.
TheRiffCalendar 7 months ago
Same? No. Similar? Sure
donwantstobesedated 8 months ago 22
They are close but if you play killer at a speed that's slower u can tell they are different
Plus the effects are similar so it makes it sound alike
dedski7 8 months ago
kurt admitted to stealing the riff. end of story, i would know i know big paul
emprus1productions 8 months ago
Awww, I wish I never would have stumbled upon this video...
ispepteid1 8 months ago
And so fucking what ?? it vent Much better
Jacob4622 9 months ago
nirvana was one of the biggest theives hell radiogiveshead stole the hollies the air that i breathe...modenr rock is loaded with hipocritical lying thieving fraudlent marxist phony fags who suck at music and life and pose like runway models representing a scene or "style"
deltapunk21 9 months ago
Put new strings on your bass.
Play through a chorus pedal.
Do not have much experience.
You will invent with this riff too.
tuskedbeast 9 months ago
if nirvana "stole" the intro they just turned that shit into fuckin platnium...happens all the time *cough* george harrison! he did the same fuckin thing and hes a got damn god
jimmefoxx 9 months ago
Killing Joke made the intro and Nirvana perfected it :-)
SHITVIDEOSCARNEY93 10 months ago
If you want to get technical about it, you could say that Killing Joke stole this lick from "let me stand next to your fire" by Jimmy Hendrix. Jimmy probably lifted it from somebody before him. Music is essientially emotion in an audible form and you can't go around copyrighting every damn emotion in the book, as with music. Real musicians actually take it in the highest respect when other musicians gain inspiration from their work. Cobain took the easy way out so who gives a shit anyway?
tossedpenny 10 months ago
Nirvana is the cold play of the 90's!
tgnz24 10 months ago
@tgnz24 Coldplay have never stolen anything, wtf are you on about? They're too talented and musically savvy to need to rip off anyone else's work.
ACWilderness 9 months ago
@ACWilderness They totally stole the melody of Satriani's song"If I Could Fly"talented!?Give me a break!Musically savvy?How can they be savvy if they steal someone elses music?Listen to "If I could fly"
tgnz24 9 months ago
@tgnz24 I've listened to it. IT'S COMPLETE BULL. Coldplay had never even heard of Joe Satriani before writing Viva La Vida; it was pure coincidence. Eventually someone's going to come up with the same melody at some point. Coldplay have repeatedly stated that they couldn't live with themselves if they had stolen someone else's music and they're talented enough not to need to. Joe Satriani is a soulless moneygrabbing dickhead who invented the charges just so he could cash in on Coldplay's fame.
ACWilderness 9 months ago
@ACWilderness
In the music industry(The good one, not the pop&rap shit) Musicians constantly borrow riffs and licks from everyone, you could see that in blues a lot... and I really don't mind if they did it, but getting rich, and winning prizes for someone else art is shameful. It has the same tempo, the same chord progression, same melody.... Learn to listen to songs, take the dildo out of your ass, you stupid Coldgay & Rebecca Black lover motherfucking piece of flaming shit... .|.
afms93 8 months ago
@afms93 Learn to listen to songs? You're the one that needs to understand music. The chords in both songs are similar, using a I-IV-VI-V set in different orders, (so not the same, actually) therefore the melodies can often come out sounding similar. I bet you didn't even understand that, so why don't you fuck off and consider who actually knows more about music, because I guarantee you it'll be me. As it stands, I fucking hate Black, and Coldplay are infinitely better. Sort your life out, cunt.
ACWilderness 8 months ago
@ACWilderness What a good bitch that you are. I bet you didn't even knew what was a "Progression" until you looked up on Google, did you? You stupid cunt..Do you know the chord names behind those Roman letters? Did you tried to make a Harmonic analysis? Do you even know what's a diatonic chord substitution? It has the same feel!! It's the same key!!! You the worse kind of internet troll, you are the gay Coldplay lover that cant handle that his "heroes" are in fact ColdStealers. Get a life u ass
afms93 8 months ago
@afms93 You're such a moronic dick it's unbelievable, I did Grade 7 Piano. I = Tonic, = Root Note = (in the case of Viva) A flat. I bet you couldn't tell me which notes go in an A flat harmonic minor scale, and the difference between that and a melodic minor. V = Dominant = 5th = E flat, if we're in the key of A flat. Pwnt much?
Having the "same feel" is an idiotic, subjective statement, they don't have the same feel at all to me.
ACWilderness 8 months ago
@ACWilderness Faggots like you and Joe Shitriani just jump in and try to make themselves look cool by ripping on bands far more sucessfull than them with uncosidered, baseless accusations of plaigerism, then shoot themselves in the foot even more by bawling witless immature insults at anyone that destroys their arguments completely with logic, reason and knowledge, like what I just did to your pathetic excuse for a comeback.
ACWilderness 8 months ago
@ACWilderness "....logic, reason and knowledge" ? Are you joking? My friend, I don't have any proof that you figured it out by yourself. You might as well be ripping off some website like Chris Martin or what's his face would do...Do you seriously think that your words on Youtube have any meaning whatsoever. You are just trying to get a way out of that hole that you started digging. At least GTFO with some dignity Btw...Transpose "If I Could Fly" to Fmin and check out the "Differences" ...
afms93 8 months ago
@tgnz24 Complete bull?Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.money grabbing?Satriani's been making albums for a lot longer than Coldgays been around.He doesn't need the money,they stole his art and got caught!Soulless?What would you know about soul if you're listening to coldgay?They're a shit band that gained notoriety because someone in that band is fucking gweneth paltrow.And if you play guitar you know who Satriani is so that argument is out the window as well.
tgnz24 9 months ago
@tgnz24
You my friend...You are totally right
afms93 8 months ago
Nirvana copy all the riffs and achords.
GDookie16 10 months ago
THey are slightly different. I don't think the similarities were intentional. I mean, we are talking about manipulating 4 simple notes here. Anyone noodling on the guitar could have come up with something similar. But if you listen closely, they ARE different. And really, do you think Kurt actually NEEDED to rip off that riff? He has more talent in his pinky than either one of the other bands.
BACKWARDSVOMIT 10 months ago
@BACKWARDSVOMIT Talent has nothing to do with it. Cobain said himself that he was ripping off other bands
HoosierMF 10 months ago
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Bitch all you want, KJ ripped The Damned off more than Nirvana ripped off KJ by a long shot. Also Eighties, while still being an ace song, is lyrically irrelevant.
youwinoneinternets 10 months ago
Bitch all you want, KJ ripped The Damned off more than Nirvana ripped off KJ by a long shot. Also Eighties, while still being an ace song, is lyrically irrelevant.
youwinoneinternets 10 months ago
Who cares if the riff was stolen?? Even my 8 year old cousin could make a riff like that! Music is getting old, even if you do the most stuppid riff , you're already stealing it.
If Eighties has the same progression that Come As You Are has, why it didn't became a hit song? Cause Come As You Are is more known by the classic riff than lyrics.
ironkid36 11 months ago
Well, the same idea can born, it actually doesn`t sound 100% the same, but yeah, very close to it..I agree, maybe Kurt heared it before, and after he created this as his own meanwhile not knowing that it isn`t really his idea...Same happened to me few times, when i created something, and it reminded me of something, and if i knew that it is really used before, i just don`t work on the song :)
DirtyThing20 11 months ago
nirvana is overrated
causeofmyanger 11 months ago
i don´t like nirvana...but thats only my opinion. killing joke is just amazing
KraySilence 11 months ago
stop being little fagets and just enjoy both songs who the fuck cares if they sound like you should enjoy them not being all quiffing on them man who ever posted this you are fucking wasting your life buy trying to ruin to good songs
misfitugly 11 months ago
Yeah, probably the only time Kurt used a chorus pedal.
paulpx2 11 months ago
It's not just the riff – the notes themselves – but the distinctive guitar tone too. I can't think of any other Nirvana song with that 'underwater reverb' sound, but it does sound very similar to this Killing Joke song, on top of the riff/notes being very close.
TimothyBIinks 11 months ago
Nirvana did it better ;)
MuratKiranTV 11 months ago
Similar but not smilar enough to call it a rip off
kingstomman 11 months ago
Similar yes, but there are different rhythms and as for "Life Goes On" it is still different if anything "Eighties" sounds more like it than "Smells Like Teen Spirit."
jiannotto9492 11 months ago
once and for all......SIMILAR RIFFS, BUT NOT NOTE FOR NOTE!!!
xlted1 11 months ago
fucking nirvana useless scammers...
wilfrid55 11 months ago
2 notes sound similar... So? If I play a G chord, am I gonna be sued by Skynard?
MrLeaveNow 11 months ago
Nope!
celleman 11 months ago
trying to own shit like this 2 note cliche is like trying to copyright the 12 notes everyone plays with. its a totally stupid and american idea to think that writing this riff should entitle you to some of kurt cobain's money. if this were a legit case, the elvis estate should go ahead and donate every last dime to the naacp.
paranoidjones 11 months ago
@paranoidjones um the band killing joke who sued nirvana IS FUCKING BRITISH!
im so sick of all this "its because their american shit" your a fucking racist and in this case your completely off base as the band doing the suing isnt american at all
also it is well known and documented that curt cobain himself did not want to release come as you are as a single because he himself acknowledged that the song was "way too similar to a killing joke song" but he was overruled by the record label
shadowscrawl 11 months ago
@shadowscrawl let me be clear that racist was probably the wrong word
bigot is far better suited
shadowscrawl 11 months ago
harmonic cliches abound in pop music, and post punk is rife with these 2 note- counterpoint progressions. different rhythm and a completely different (and superior) vocal melody makes killing joke's case a weak one.
paranoidjones 11 months ago
dude music has proven it is basically impossible to not steal riffs and he may not have even known when he wrote
systemofachemicalnir 11 months ago
Smells like teen sprit was a rip of as well, it was just "more than a feeling" (BY BOSTON) with the lyrics changed.
mcwinker 11 months ago
@mcwinker Kill yourself they sound nothing alike
repstar13 11 months ago
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@mcwinker Hahaha! You are fantastic!
Spankabuttux 11 months ago
it's a straight-up rip-off. I looked up the song's video to post on FB & ask why Nirvana wasn't sued. I see here that they were & Courtney Hole got them off by having Kurt murdered.
ToBeDisabledSoon 11 months ago
A fellow bass playing friend of mine's a big Nirvana fan. A few eeks ago while he was round with his bass, I stuck Eighties on, after discovering he could play Come as You Are, and he played the Nirvana riff over the Killing Joke track, and you could barely tell the difference!
Goddzi 11 months ago
Just to throw another snake in the pit. Hasn't there been claims Nirvana copied part of Boston's - More than a feeling - for the intro to Smells like teen spirit.
RitmoNo1 11 months ago
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i hate Kurt Cobain! is dead is the best!
01BSC 1 year ago
i found another similarity watch?v=NGrWeegutQY
derpdederp101 1 year ago
Saying Kurt Cobain is untalented is like saying the beatles had no influence on music. If you seriously think he's untalented, you are very ignorant on music. He brought a new style of simplicity to guitar players of his generation. And his voice has so much emotion, so much pain, sorrow, I can FEEL what he was feeling when he wrote it. Can't say that about many artists.
Loosedasavage3 1 year ago 2
in music there are only 8 notes.
SaypheZonE 1 year ago
There are no excuses.
Norvana copied someone's work and claimed it for their own.
Richmond1966 1 year ago
Si, y se suicidó porque se sentia culpable no te jode...
nikchanch 1 year ago
oceanic1 is 100% correct, it's a rip off (if it's a rip off at all of course) of The Damned track 'Life goes On'. It's identical
Johnoco66 1 year ago
EITHER WAY, WHICH IS THE BETTER SONG? COME AS YOU ARE, OBVIOUSLY!
MrSimon310189 1 year ago
@MrSimon310189 please tell us you are joking.
Iansdaddy9 1 year ago
@Iansdaddy9 ok? which made more money?
MrSimon310189 1 year ago
@MrSimon310189 WTF difference does that make? Just because the corporate swine told the masses in the early 90s they were supposed to like the grunge trend? Kurt Cobain is, was and will always be an unoriginal, untalented piece of shit like his wife courtney love.
Iansdaddy9 1 year ago
@MrSimon310189: Except not.
Negimaniac 1 year ago
@Negimaniac ok? which made more money?
MrSimon310189 1 year ago
@MrSimon310189: Nirvana, obviously. What's your point? Just because more people heard something doesn't make it better.
Negimaniac 1 year ago