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  • 2 SITES TO CHECK:

    1) Attorney Mario Apuzzo's site at puzo1 blogspot com. Click on the link at the right entitled "The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth" at puzo1.blogspot.com 2009 09 natural-born-citizen-clause-re­­quires html

    2) Several articles on WorldNetDaily at wnd com under “Is Obama constitutionally eligible to serve?”

    Use Google com to get the full web addresses.

    michaelhtvr 5 months ago

  • To be the President of the US, the Constitution of the US indicates that he must be "a natural born citizen".To be a natural born citizen, he MUST meet 2 conditions: 1) he must be born in the USA.2) he must be born of two American parents! BOTH conditions are required! 1) is NOT met, as Obama NEVER showed a LONG FORM birth certificate! 2) is IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET, as Obama's father was NEVER an American! Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and is NOT eligible to be President of the USA! michaelhtv

  • Who's guarding the guards?

  • @ppchute50 - We the people are supposed to be guarding the guards. Someone has fallen asleep while on guard duty?

  • See

    scribd*com/doc/46145949/US-Pre­sident-Eligibility

  • When will this movement find something substantive to bitch about? Honestly, people. It would have had to be one of the most elaborate cover-ups in this country's history, and judging from the intelligence of some of the people posting messages on this video, we do not have the collective intelligence to pull it off. From the most mundane citizen to the highest levels of government. The proposition is ludicrous. Can't you despise him for his policies or something more...solid?

  • Unfortunately to be a president of the USA, the president Obama must be a "natural born" citizen and it is the case ONLY IF the following 2 conditions are met: 1) Obama must be an American who was born in the USA. The FULL birth certificate is needed to prove that. 2) BOTH parents of Obama must be American. His father was NOT American and his adopted father was Indonesian.Therefore, even his birth certificate is not relevant in Obama's case because condition 2 is not met!! michaelhtvr

  • @michaelhtvr - I and millions and millions of other American citizens agree with you. You are in very good company.

  • Elite social engineers are smarter than us. We do not know how to make decisions about our lives. They will tell us how to raise our children and if we do not abey they will delare us "unfit" and remove our children. Obama does not have to prove he is elibible. He is better than us. He is a mini-elite puppet of the social engineering elite. Shut up and obey. It is for our own good.

  • Occidental College records -- Not released

    Columbia College records -- Not released

    Harvard College records -- Not released

    Selective Service Registration -- Not released

    Medical records -- Not released

    Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available

    Illinois State Senate records -- Not available

    Law practice client list -- Not released

    Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released

    Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released

  • To answer a few of your points from a legal standing, since this is what I do, he DOES NOT have to release his academic records to the public in the process of being vetted for the office of the presidency. They are protected under Federal statutes. Go and ask G.W. Bush why he did not release his records and see if he will answer you. Medical records are as private for the president as they are for you and me. He does not have to disclose his health records to the public! SS draft card...

  • ...also a Federal document and under the purview of the DOD. He does not have to disclose to the public his SS card since he HAD to have one anyway to vote, go to college, become a senator, and be president. As for your senate records, by now, they are public record. If you really have a bee in your bonnet, subpoena them if they do not give you a copy in Chicago, which they will, if the hearings do not contain sensitive data. His law practice client list? This is a joke, right? He would be...

  • ...violating not only the law, but also the oath he took as a lawyer to safeguard the privacy of the clients under his counsel. However, you can have my client list if you would like. If you wish to see his original birth certificate (with its seal, if you have not seen it on CNN 50 times), you must fly to Honolulu. If you are content with a certificate of live birth, which a binding legal document of birth that is sent out to EVERY citizen born in Hawaii, it has been made available, ad nauseam.

  • @MageSutek Thats the certification of live birth. Can't get so much as a drivers license with that. As a citizen born abroad I ran into a similar problem. Only had (at the time) my certification of birth abroad and not my long form so I have some insight on this.

    Personally, I am with you. There are much more substantive issues to hammer this guy on.

  • @rvndmnmt The debate is not about driving licenses, it is about being president. Foreign certificates of birth, long form or not, are going to be scrutinized by the INS, the main reason being: you were not born in America. This is not the case for Obama. He was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, the law of the state validates certificates of live birth. The "long form," as you put it, is in Hawaii under the control of the state. People can go see it. Otherwise, this is what there is.

  • @MageSutek - With the Hawaii Health Dept. just refusing a federal court ordered subpoena demanding they turn over Obama's, "birth certificate", for inspection by a document expert how does anyone know that Obama was born in Hawaii? I wonder why it is that Obama is using a social security number that was never assigned to him? Why would someone do that? What would they be hiding? I'm pretty dumb, so I can't figure this out. Could you help? :)

  • @rvndmnmt It's no less legitimate a legal document than my birth certificate from Ft. Carson Army Base in Colorado, which covered me when I applied for a position with the DOD, my sister's certificate of live birth from North Dakota, tendered by a hospital that burned down years after her birth, which afforded her dual citizenship between the United States and the United Kingdom. My mother's birth certificate from Arizona that she tendered in "short form" for dual citizenship...

  • @MageSutek - The Anti-Freedom movement wants the U.S. Constitution ignored at a Presidential level and if the nation ignores the Constitution at *that level*, how easy would it be to ignore the Constitutionally guaranteed rights of free speech, to freedom of religion, to be able to vote, etc., etc., etc.? This is the issue at hand, not what color Obama's skin is or not. This is a very serious and very dangerous issue. Search YouTube using Keywords --> Obama fake birth certificate.

  • @rvndmnmt ...between what was then the Republic of Ireland and the US (Ireland is now a country of the EU), afforded her Irish citizenship, US citizenship, and later, EU citizenship. Her "long form" birth certificate is in Maricopa County, Arizona, under the control of the Department of Vital Statistics. Therefore, my point is this: all states have different standards, but they are all legal, as is in the case of the president. The "Birther Movement" is fueled by resentment over race, full stop.

  • Academic records are sealed under FERPA and other Federal privacy acts. SS also sealed by the DOD. You have yours handy? Medical records are none of your business or anyone else's. He was deemed fit for office by doctors, he has not keeled over, unlike our former VP who did every other day. You indicting Cheney for anything? Senate records are waiting in IL for you. Law firm clients? That is just dumb. Oh, fly to Hawaii to see the real thing if you are so bent out of shape. Merry Christmas.

  • @MageSutek - "Medical records are none of your business or anyone else's"? Have you ever applied for a job? The prospective employer wants to know if you have any health issues and that's perfectly reasonable. When it comes to the President of the U.S.A., that's a *public office*, a person that is literally the most powerful person in the world, but suddenly their physical and mental health is not anyone's business? Do you care about your country or not?

  • @virtual - Hmmm...I wonder what Obama is hiding? :)

  • Obama IS THE Antichrist chosen to FINALIZE the demonic  New World Order...to restrict and control all freedoms of all peoples...he will be hindered but will eventually succeed in handing over the planet to Devil...but just in time for Jesus' second coming...Revelation13...watch the 'Left Behind' movies for more info

  • we must get this man out of office before it is too late....vote him out and his kind...

  • @americangirl2012 - Agreed. The question now is, can the U.S. economy hold on for 13 more months when we can vote Obama and his economy/America killing policies out?!

  • yep, he is NOT made in the USA for sure. otherwise he would SHOW his birth-certificate.

  • @LULU123d - Of course he's made in the U.S.A., he even presented his faked birth certificate! lol

  • OBAMACARE/OBAMA ELIGIBILITY MARCH ON WASHINGTON

    At the Ellipse Presidents Park South

    17th St & Constitution Ave, NW

    DATE: SATURDAY, MAY 29, 2010

    TIME: 12:00 NOON 4:00 P.M.

    Phillip Berg Esq is hosting this historic event. He filed the first lawsuit to make Obama prove his eligibility to serve as President according to Article II, Section I of the Constitution.

  • you said "for the past 200 years every US President has met the requierments" Chester A. Arther did NOT meat the requirments of a natural-born Citizen.

  • Bin Laden might have said he did it, but he was brought over here back when Afghanistan was fighting the Russians, and given a tour of our military might.......As for the Patriot Act, used to carry out whatever they wanted to do...

  • I don't know whos worse. left wing libtards or the right wing nuts. I stay toss them both overboard and start over

  • @LTDANMAN44 - So you apparently support the notion of freedom of speech for some, but not for all?

  • The man does exactly the opposite of what he promised in public. It's what he promises in private - behind closed doors - that we see being done. " . . . all information available to the American people . . . !" Hold him accountable.

  • @speed220mph

    I wish you good luck on your tour through the Special Circuit, Gabby Jay.

  • @speed220mph - Welcome to Obama-nation! FIRE/VOTE him OUT in 2012!

  • This is spooky as all.

  • ***1000*** architects and engineers are demanding a legitimate investigation.

    There are also hundreds of reputable scientists, firefighters, scholars, legal professionals, media professionals, retired military personnel of every service and rank, members of congress and former politicians of every description, plus an overwhelming majority of the American people, yet there remains a virtual media blackout on the issue.

    What's wrong with this picture?

    I think most know the answer.

  • @KevinMerck - Search YouTube using Keywords ---> 911 Debunked, and you will find undeniable proof that the World Trade Center attacks were done by terrorists. Don't get caught up in the fear mongering of the conspiracy theorists.

  • "The issue of knowing who was behind the 9/11 attacks is of paramount importance to the future of our country, because the "official" story ... has led directly to the deplorable Patriot Act, the illegal Iraq war, NSA spying on ordinary Americans, repudiation of the Geneva Conventions, and the repeal of habeas corpus (a fundamental point of law that has been with us since the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215)"

    - David L. Griscom, PhD

    Nothing is more important than 9/11.

  • Wonder why Glenn Beck has chosen the path of writing off the people, "birthers", who's main objective is to protect the U.S. Constitution? Can anyone tell me?

  • I don't understand your point, here. Just sayin'...

  • Jana. Try $50 million. As in the annual value of Glenn Beck's contract. You think he'd give that up to say anything they don't condone being said?

  • Requirements to hold office:

    1)Must be a naturally born citizen(ie born on US soil)

    2) Both parents must be US Citizens at the time of birth

    3) Must have maintained sole US Citizenship a full 14 years prior to inaguration.

    4) Must be 35 years old or older

    If anyone does not satisfy ALL of these requirements, they are not eligible to hold the office of president of the United States. Obama only meets the age, and even if he proves he was born in Hawaii(he hasn't), still does not meet the others.

  • Thanks for posting this, it's great to see more article 2 patriots out there.

  • People need to be aware that most have gotten the Constitution's "natural" born qualification wrong. What the Constitution really means is that the person has to be born naturally, i.e., no caesarian section or other "unnatural" procedures. They have to be born by traveling down the birth canal.

  • This is just silly.

  • @jwberrie - With all due respect, are you nuts? You really think that if someone were born via caesarian section, that this would, (for some mysterious reason), disqualify them from becoming President? Again, are you nuts, or just a troll?

  • Lets get George Bush back in the White House!

  • "Al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day ..."

    Obama made that statement without any evidence against "Al Qaeda" or their supposed leader Osama Bin Laden. OBL is not wanted in connection with 9/11 because the FBI admits they have no evidence.

    There's a mountain of very credible scientific evidence that WTC 1, 2 and 7 were brought down by controlled demolition. Only someone with a complete lack of the capacity for reason could turn their head on this overwhelming evidence.

  • ...puh-lease. Give it a rest. 8)

  • @KevinMerck - That is false. Osama bin Laden himself admitted to being responsible for the World Trade Center attack. Don't believe everything that disgustingly obese liberal Michael Moore has to say, hook, like and sinker.

  • Smil - What the heck would you know? You live in Canada! You don't know jack about what is really going on with Obama! Mind your own damned business and stick to Canada, (something you know about!).

  • Smil - Well golly gee, if the, "free", (you Canadians aren't really naive enough to think that you don't pay for health care, do you?) , health care in Canada is so, "great", why do Canadian's regularly come to the U.S.A. to get life-saving operations and procedures they can't get in Canada without waiting six months, by which time they'd be dead?!

  • Why doesn't Obama simply set the record straight? Why, because Obama is hiding something from the American people! An honest man would have straighten this simple mess out, and made sure that every one knew it was straightened before the election took place.  Instead, he has spent over a million dollars and used his presidential powers to seal his records, in order to hide something. QUESTION AUTHORITY!

    THEY ARE NOT THE KINGS AND QUEENS OF US.

  • 1. Most of the country think's he's NOT a natural born citizen.

    2. He has not set any record straight on not being a Muslim. If anything, he's reinforced it with his appeasement of Muslim tyrants and terrorists.

    3. Obama-bots discredit themselves.

    4. Original birth certificates are relatively easy to validate. Don't have a closed mind.

  • Obama might not be a Muslim, but he is not like any Christian that I have ever met. Too many of his records are missing, closed or sealed. Even is High School diploma is sealed!

    And he calls his administration transparent.

    Like all politicians, Obama speaks to the opposite of his actions. Granted, the missing records could be a setup. He might release a book of evidence later. But, his creation of doubt, sucks out loud!

    P.S. I voted for him in 2008, and I will not vote for him again!

  • @professorcurtis

    So whad'ya think about that Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that Taitz provided?

  • @professorcurtis, The Obama administration has not gone the full length of straightening this issue out, cause it serves the democratic party to have the birther movement living on.. It puts the republican party in a nut-job category, and centrist voters will be deterred from voting rep and vote for dems instead.. So you birthers are really doing the democratic party's job for them.. Even if he was born in Kenya or Indonesia.. Would that mean his loyalty is primarily to those countries?

  • @pegelatrin - The U.S. Constitution is what makes America what it is, (as does any nation's Constitution). It makes America what it is and when the Constitution is ignored, then what we have instead is a free for all of corruption, of a big government gone out of control, that no longer serves the will of the people. I must ask though; with you living in Sweden, what's it to you? Obama isn't President of Sweden.

  • You will know when a country turns communist when the people work for the government instead of the government working for the people. Look at your earnings statement and the federal deductions; it will double with Obama then you'll know who you work for. Unless your an inactive, lazy, good for nothing free riding Liberal.

  • tgear hasn't a clue what the 1st amendment means, Taking a sign and tearing it up is breaking freedom of speech,also petty assult.

  • cowboybill117 - Agreed. Have you heard the news? It's actually still legal to have an opposing opinion/view than a liberal socialist! What an amazing concept; freedom! Wow! :)

  • Watch Philip Berg in pa, watch N.H. AG, investigation of Pelosi for criminal fraud and treason. getting very intresting.

  • tgear77 - You're a communist!

    Why don't you just move to some socialist country instead of trying to turn America into one.

    God bless America!

  • jc1042 - It's because the liberal/socialists actually think they are sooooo much , "more intelligent", and, "better educated", than everyone else. That's why. They actually think they are doing us all a big favor by having the federal government take care of us *for* us, because were are just toooo, "stupid, illiterate and ignorant", to take care of ourselves! They really think this! Not only is their thinking incorrect, it stomps all over FREEDOM!

  • Kevin - You are not speaking the truth. Osama bin Laden has a price on his head for millions of dollars, something to the tune of $50 million as I recall. He most certainly IS wanted. For crying out loud, he ADMITTED responsibility for 9/11! Stop spreading lies and conspiro-whacko theories!

  • The price on Osama bin Laden's head, wanted dear or alive, was set by the U.S. government by the way.

  • The man lied about his birth to get the job.

    He has been a liar his entire life ... he's a living lie.

    It should not surprise anyone that he continues to lie.

  • Interesting; tgea vanishes and then cholo shows up. Now cholo has vanished and tgea returns! Both screen names spewing the same intolerant liberal/socialist bitter hatred for their fellow man! Amazing coincidence! lol

  • tgea - What is wrong? Why all the bitter hatred towards other people? Why the attempted intimidation to prevent people from exercising their Constitutionally guaranteed right of free speech? Did you know that trying to deny people their Constitutionally guaranteed rights is illegal? Why do you hate your fellow American so much? Do you want us all rounded up and shot? Is that it? Just what is it with you? A true American would encourage freedom of speech, but you clearly don't.

  • tgea -The very first Amendment to the Constitution reads as follows - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; *or abridging the freedom of speech*, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances". It doesn't say anything about whether you think what someone is saying is stupid or not. It doesn't say you can restrict the speech of another because..

  • You can call anyone anything you want. That is your right and that is not my point. My point is your horrendous acts of intimidation to try and silence other Americans, to take away their freedom of speech. That sir, is W-R-O-N-G and you damned well know it.

  • ...you don't agree with it, or you don't like it, or it is contrary to the political agenda of one party affiliation or another. No sir, the U.S. Constitution doesn't say that, yet you seem to think you have the right to threaten and intimidate an American citizen into silence because YOU think their freedom of speech is, "stupid". You think we have a board in our government that sits there and determines if what someone says is, "stupid", or not? No sir, that's censorship, not freedom!

  • Further, the Constitution doesn't say American citizens must agree with their government or Mr.Obama, or whomever. In fact, the Constitution does clearly state that American citizens have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances! Now I don't give a flying rats ass what you think of the freedom of speech of any American citizen, but it gets me just a tad bit hot when you sit there on your liberal/socialist throne of condescending arrogance and try to intimidate ....

  • To give you a hint, you can't destroy other people's property. That's not free speech. Holy crow, you need help.

     I'm done with you.

  • ...threaten and harass American citizens into silence! That's not right sir and again, it is ILLEGAL to try and deny an American citizens Constitutionally guaranteed rights and I politely suggest that you would do well not to engage in such horrendous tactics of intimidation. If you are a real American, you should be celebrating fellow American's freedom of speech rights, not try to deny them! I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it! You, on the other hand....

  • ...have this notion that because you don't happen to agree with the freedom of speech of an American citizen, (and in the case of the topic at hand, *millions of American citizens* freedom of speech and opinions regarding this very important topic), that you somehow have the right to try and silence the freedom of speech of millions of Americans. Who made you the, "God", of freedom of speech? No sir, that's not right and that is unconstitutional, (that means illegal). Knock it off!

  • My, my Cholo, such language. I can't even seen half of what you say, as they YouTube filter **** out what you are trying to say. I see you still haven't done anything about your anger control issues. You need to do something about that before you hurt someone. What people are laughing at is you Cholo. You and your childish, vulgar, violent and evil rants. You most certainly are against America and the Constitution when you try to threaten others into not using their freedom of speech.

  • Cholo - Please clean up the childish, vulgar langauge. The YouTube filter is blocking out 50% of what you are spewing anyway, so kindly grow up. When are you going to see a psychiatrist over your anger control issues?

  • The fact that this charlatan has not produced proof of his birth should speak volumes to any reasonable person about his credibility and perhaps his sanity.

    Obama has earned the right to be compared with the worst tyrants to walk the face of this earth.

    He is not eligible to be President under the Constitution. He has spent millions on attorney's fees hiding the fact that he is not eligible, when a ten dollar birth certificate would suffice.

  • Kevin - So have you called your Congressman and Senator yet?  Nothing will be done about this, absolutely NOTHING, unless WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND SOMETHING BE DONE ABOUT IT!

  • Kev - For crying out loud, my post was NOT meant to confront you at all, but to ENCOURAGE you. There is no, "diatribe". Gheesh. "Raving lunatic". Good grief. Take a chill pill and let's stay on topic and knock it off with the personal insults, shall we?

  • Good post Kevin. The whole thing sticks in my craw. It speaks to the depth of "America's Secret Establishment" and the stronghold they have in all phases of Government.....Judicial, legislative, and executive branches all are singing off the same sheet of music, and its not to protect and serve its citizenry....THAT IS FOR SURE.

  • Re McCain, and why he didn't push the issue of BO's ineligibility: McCain was born in a hospital off the army base in Panama. Several Dem senators, I believe McCrookskill;) was among them, passed a resolution declaring McCain a natural born--on US soil & born of 2 natural-born citizens--in an "I'll scratch your back if you scratch Obama's" deal. Thus, silence from McCain.

  • When McCain was asked to produce his Birth Certificate he did so with no hesitation..obama REFUSED! and hired a army of lawyers..if you have an IQ over 50 you might be able to figure out this criminal bastard is hiding something very important he doesn't want the American people to see. Yet this imposter occupies the White House and in six months has brought America so far down it's frightening.

  • tgear77 - you are getting negative ratings for your hatred, not your factual or ficticious content. Regarding birth certificates, yes, we get copies. However, with copies, step are taken to ensure authenticity! Why is my child required to show a CERTIFIED COPY, STAMPED by her county of birth to participate in T-ball when this wannabe dictator doesn't have to show his CERTIFIED, STAMPED COPY to be president? OUTRAGEOUS!

  • RURIGHT - The very serious problem this represents is, if we are going to ignore the U.S. Constitution at a PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL, then every single American citizens rights that are ALSO in the Constitution, can ALSO BE IGNORED. This threatens every single American citizen and the very FABRIC of this nation. It sets an extremely dangerous precedent. The LAW must be FOLLOWED and there is no higher law except those by God almighty, than the U.S. Constitution, the law of the land.

  • Echeque5 .....You're absolutely right and I agree that I have doubts that "O" is legit. So how do we prove it? Not many Radio / TV personalities are even interested! I havent heard Glenn beck mention it much. And I have every TV show since January 2009 and over a year of Radio Shows! Im at a lost on how we can get O to hand over the original B.C. Only Hannity has any interest. Im lost. Im just aware of the consequences if he does show a (Doctored) B.C. people will dismiss us a Kooks?

  • LiberalXXXX - Sean Hanity mentions this, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and millions of Americans. I feel the question is, WHY aren't our ELECTED OFFICIALS LISTENING TO US?!  We need to phone our Congressman and Senators and start DEMANDING that Congressional hearings be held on this issue, exactly like they were for Senator McCain regarding this issue! If all is legit, find and dandy! IF all is legit, then this should be NO PROBLEM for Mr.Obama. Should be EASY! But if all is NOT okay...!!!!!

  • In your infinite wisdom, oh wise one, explain to me how this is still a free country when our leader doesn't have to produce a birth certificate to be president, but my daughter has to provide one to play T-ball. Funny how the "king" is always exempt from the rules of the "little" people like you and me. As a side note, your use of foul language belies the fact that you lack the intellengence to express yourself in a meaningful and eloquent way.

  • I feel sorry for you, cholofawkes. Such an angry, misguided, self-deluded, uninformed drone. Just the type of person who backs this would-be socialist dictator. Unless you're making your "$975/day" illegally, you'll be paying more to the government this year than you'll be putting in your own pocket. How could ANY self-professed intelligent American be for bigger government? Our government proves over and over that it does only one thing well - mismanage.

  • Wrong again, my foolhearty friend. You are not following in Jesus' footsteps at all. You, as an atheist, have no clue of that which you speak. Nor do you pay my social security, as I am decades from retirement. Furthermore, I don't believe there will be any social "security" left within the next 10 years because big goverment is pissing it away in their mismanagement zeal. And for reference, I haven't watched ANY television news and am able to think for myself based on objective research.

  • I've apparently struck a nerve. Shock of shocks. Sounds like you went to church when you were a child and as such have a child's understanding. You certainly have a child's vocabulary and a child's arguments. As is typical with your "kind", when logic prevails, you resort to name calling and pathetic attempts at insults. I assure you, my children would rather be like me than like you. If anyone should be ashamed, it should be your parents.

  • Yes, actually, anything learned for the first 18 years of one's life is *exactly* a childlike understanding. Thank you for proving my point. And I and those likeminded are NOT the problem with this country. I am likeminded to those who founded this country and its laws. This "change" you so desparately want WILL destroy this nation and our sovereignty. And yet, childish, self righteous buffoons like yourself cannot open a history book to see that it repeats itself... and is once again.

  • Surely in your vast 18 year study of the bible you learned that "a house divided against itself cannot stand", did you not? This house (USA) was founded on biblical principles and has stood on biblical principles. Shift the foundation and the house will fall. Divide the people and stereotype Christians as uneducated or unenlightened so you can discount what they say. Then remove any mention or God, Jesus, biblical teaching and principles and watch how fast this country crashes to its knees.

  • Oh, my poor misguided dullard friend. I DO know the vast majority of the founders of this country were Chrisitians. Observable fact. I suppose you think the Holocaust was a hoax too? No one, especially me, is forcing their opinion on anyone else. Where do you get those "talking points"? That is gibberish. You have been shown the way. Your choice wether to take it or not. That is the beauty of Christianity. It is a personal relationship by choice between the living God and YOU.

  • Oh, and I just love how you call "racist" when I question Barry's birthplace, yet you have no problem bashing my faith. As an atheist, you still have faith. The difference is I believe we were created by an intelligent designer and have an obligation to the creator. You (as an atheist) believe life came from non-life spontaneously (no logic and no reason, as you said) and there is no God. ie: Every man is his own God, beholden only to himself. THAT, my friend, is what is wrong with this nation.

  • I certainly don't believe I can do no wrong. I aspire to do no wrong but I blow it all the time. That is the nature of being human and having choice. And you are correct in that "religion" is a form of social control. That is why I practice "faith". I'm glad you've done so much with your life, despite your Baptist roots. My head is clear, and as for you, I've yet to hear ANY arguments at all. Just petty attempts at Internet insults and more liberal babble.

  • cholo - I really don't appreciate you sending me threats to my inbox. That's illegal. I don't know why you have such violence, evil and hatred in your heart for your fellow man, but you really need some help. It's clear you don't support freedom of speech, or the Constitution either, but you have no right to threaten people. Kindly stop harassing people and threatening people. You're clearly a kid, but that doesn't mean you can do this. I am asking nicely. This is the last time.

  • Right - I would advise ignoring Cholo. Something has to be fundamentally wrong with someone that has so much hatred in their hearts for their fellow man. I received a very nasty threat from Cholo, basically threatening me to, "shut up", or else! No freedom of speech in Cholo's warped world. Sick, sick, sick.

  • Echeque5 - I'm sorry to hear that he is bothering you. I guess he gave up trying to bother me. It's tough to fight a battle of wits when you're unarmed. I feel sorry for him, as he's made a complete fool of himself and cannot help but express himself using profanity and threats. Funny that he should indiciate that I am what's wrong with this nation. cholofawkes, you need to look in the mirror and you'll see what's wrong with this nation, though I doubt you will come to realize until too late.

  • Right - He's just some stupid kid that thinks using vulgar language is somehow mature. (rolls eyes).

    Take a look at the kids channel. Kid or adult, in my opinion they have some very serious anger control issues and need help from a psychiatrist, watch some John Denver video's, read the Bible, go camping, something.

  • cholo - See a psychiatrist as soon as possible to get a handle on our anger control issues, before you hurt someone. Seriously.

  • By the way cholo, if what we are discussing here doesn't have any validity, (as you claim), I wonder why it is then that you want so badly for us to, "shut up", and you go to the extreme of violating the law and sending me, (and who knows whom else), threats? Hmmm...I wonder? You apparently agree that this matter does have validity, or you wouldn't be threatening people to, "shut up". So then why doesn't it concern you that the U.S. Constitution could be being ignored? Hmmm....I wonder?

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  • Whered you go Cholo? It was rather amusing watching your immature, vulgar-languaged rants against freedom, American citizens and the U.S. Constitution.  lol :)

  • Right - Cholo agree's with the topic of this forum. Read my post to him. Very interesting. :)

  • Oh, and what does "race" have anything to do with? Are you truly proving your lack of intelligence by reverting to the "race" card? This has NOTHING to do with race and everything to do with LAW! I don't care if it were JFK or Jesus himself, I expect my president to legitimize the office and the constitution of the land. If he cannot or will not produce proof that he is a natural born US citizen then he has no business in the office, white, black, red, yellow, brown or any other color or race.

  • If he's a natural born US citizen, then prove it. I've searched far and wide and there are no intelligent arguments for why Barry cannot provide proof. And there is NO reason why he should seal his education records, unless he paid for his school by claiming aid as a foreign student. Mr Soetero should have no problem quashing all opposition, but he WILL NOT because he CAN NOT. And you defend him as if he is the Messiah the press would have you believe. Interesting, who is really the drone here?

  • Tgear77 ... Something else you little punk! I dont need some 45 YO to correct me or anyone else on spelling. You know DAMN WELL that people often misspell a word when they type. So first get your facts on Fascism and History straight first before you correct someone on their error in a "TYPO" I ate Monkey brains in Cambodia 40 years ago boy, 5 years before you were born and indoctrinated by the floundering public school system you attended! I thank God that I attended Catholic Schools K-12.

  • LiberalXXX - tgear and other bitter, hate-filled liberal/socialists always resort to name calling, condescending arrogance and childish spelling corrections, (many times that are typo's, as you correctly noted), to try to win on some vain, small point in the hope of bolstering their failing debates in support of their warped agenda's. It's par for the course and straight out of their, "How to Be A Condescendingly Arrogant, Obnoxious Liberal", handbook, first chapter!

  • tgear77....Smarter! How about this punk!

    You're a Lazy wussy who needs the Government to take care of you from cradle to grave. You can't make it on your own and feed yourself so you want to steal from hard working Americans to take care of you Progressives asses.

    2nd. Youre not a Liberal! You haven't the slightest idea what Liberalism is? Liberalism is Freedom from Government...Conservatives are the "Classic Liberals! You're a deuced Communist who supports Marist Ideology! Get educated!

  • tgea - See a Mr.Obama appointed psychiatrist as soon as you can, (hopefully your Doctor that you CAN'T CHOOSE, will be competent), and get some help for your anger control issues before you hurt someone.

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  • tgear77. Fascism properly understood, is not a phenomenon of the Right at all. Instead it is, and always has been, a phenomenon of the Left. This fact-an inconvenient truth if there ever was one-is obscured in our time by the equally mistaken belief that Fascism and Communism are opposites. In reality, they are very closely related, historical competitors for the same constituents, seeking to dominate and control the same social space. Continued below.

  • How can anyone be so damn stupid as to watch this muslim plant in the White House hire an army of lawyers and ACORN to cover his lying ass and question this phony bastardst eldgiblity to hold the usurped office of President?

  • tgear77:

    Actually, I think it depends on WHERE you studied, in what college, and what professor you learned it from. There are a lot of LIBERAL colleges that purposely omit information AND/OR discredit history and add their own personal opinion to that, which is usually remembered by the student. I heard the same crap until I did my own digging. Before you spout your knowledge, look at other credible textbooks and/or sources. You may be glad you did.