Bach - B minor Mass - 15 - Et incarnatus est-Crucifixus

[relaurino]

Adoro Richter, adoro questo passaggio di uno che forse è una delle composizioni più sublimi, se si riesce a fare una gara, di Bach e della musica religiosa in toto. Che qui, in questo caso, fonde in maniera ideale, elementi luterani e cattolici. Come fosse un abbraccio. Cosa che vedo, nei commenti, del tutto vana.....mah....

[Arnold3135]

@ClassicalFan28 Thanks for responding and reminding all of us that civility is global and is not the property of any particular culture or people. I completely agree that we should focus on art and beauty and leave the rest to others to sort out. Thanks again for your kind words.

[beethomozart]

sublime and highly spiritual , Bach's B minor mass is a masterpiece that few other choral or religious works can compare to

[akhmm]

To be fair .when mass originaly sang this song her vibrato was much weaker and it has changed her voice but if anything needs to be criticised. it is the orchestra for being out of time not badly at the begining.like.King All Glorious..well he is good voice and act what a music man..

[vanya2309]

Bach is probably the greatest composer

[syncrow76]

@vanya2309 certainly for his time, but can he beat Michael Jackson? (if you allow the comparison)

[pacrijna]

@syncrow76 Do you believe that Michael Jackson's music will be heard 270 years from now?

[googlekopfkind]

@pacrijna yes

[googlekopfkind]

@pacrijna yes people wil say he was an genius

[RemovdSande11]

@vanya2309

without a doubt ! :) 

[mikakrstic]

what do you mean exquisite?

[lefekir]

Ja, die Munchener Bach Leute!

[kaldbaksbotnur]

Yep,, thats right, he is the best interpretor, no doubt about that.

[feetje2008]

I agree with you totally. Richter's Bach is way beyond any conductor.

[ismDUKAGJIN]

the Great KARL RICHTER !!!

[KatrinSoprano]

штрих....

[GeorgeV6v24]

I don't believe in god... but this music is divine!

[rgeraredz]

Keep listening. . . you may get it ;)

[advisorC101]

You couldn't have said it any better.

I agree.

[gyorgy11]

@GeorgeV6v24 That's OK, God believes in you

[ladywithtime]

I love this sooooo much. Simply exquisite music.

[teoakinyel]

one of my favorite parts of one of my favorite pieces of music. what happened to the end. thank you for posting the entire mass

[blogger314]

Oh what a shame, not to be able to hear the most important part in all of this, which is the closing measures with those, as only Bach can do, wonderful, most sublime chord changes; such magnificent harmonies. Is it possible to make it so that we can hear it? It would be most appreciated, but if not, well then, so be it. Thank you anyhow.

[musiclover83]

I can hear the steps that Jesus Christ was making going to His crucification.

[Arnold3135]

The problem I have with this performance is that it exposes that deficit of religious faith that the Europeans currently have.  Lest we forget, Bach was a practicing Lutheran and took seriously the text of the Mass and its relatiionship to the desire for Man's redemption. This is a concert reading and not one of religious faith. As a conductor and singer, there are aspects of this interpretation here that I find totally unacceptable -- lacking in any pathos that is the heart of Bach's music.

[mendoncacorreia]

I most emphatically disagree with this statement! I'm a Portuguese, I'm a Catholic, I'm a Canonist, I'm a contemplative man by nature, and this is the only performance of the many (too many...) I know of Bach's Mass which has brought me to tears! I may add I'm not the only one who has had such a spiritual experience with this, Richter's work!...

[Arnold3135]

Let me say that I have total respect for the feelings you expressed in your posting. My problem with this performance is that the interpretation leaves me cold and uninterested in God's entry into human history--or as the text suggests, "Et incarnatus est ...et homo factus est." As a musical matter, Herr Richter seems to have little idea of the importance of this religious text and how Bach used the text to expressed a larger truth.--Immanuel or "God with Us".

[gspaulsson]

BTW, this is a Catholic, not a Lutheran Mass. Bach wrote it because he was trying to get a job with the Elector of Saxony, who had just been elected King of Poland and had to convert to Catholicism accordingly. Bach had deep musical feeling and certainly knew how to set text; whether he believed in the religion behind the text is irrelevant, and who knows anyway. He was a working musician. Mozart was pretty irreligious, but there are few things as moving as his C minor mass or his Requiem.

[gspaulsson]

The problem I have with this is that Et Resurrexit MUST follow Et Sepultus Est without a break - it's the climax of the whole mass.

[Arnold3135]

The answer to your problem and by extension your question is answered in the text - a common practice among word-painting composers of the Baroque period. I would generally agree with your observation that Mozart's Mass in C minor is one of the great choral works to have been written. The Et incarnatus est is simply a kiss from God.

[Vlaanderson]

We want the music, not this catholic crap! You american puritans, why do you think we not wanted you in our countries?! I'm happy you can ruin you own now! God bless Europe!

[Arnold3135]

Fine, you can have the music. Just remember the music was inspired by a religious idea, a faith perspective if you will. Try reading Christoph Wolffe's great biography of Bach's and learn something about one of the great European composers. I will say and what's striking about your commentary is that it exposes a certain lack of civility. A bit surprising, given that you are a European and would therefore have civil views. The tone of your post, why it almost sounds American. Congratulations!

[Vlaanderson]

Nice! Long time since I talked with such a civized American! You are right, the problem is that Bach was Lutheran, this mass is catholic, he composed it for its musical qualities primary, and then for its religious meaning.

Excuse my strange appearence, I tried to fight you with your own weapons, and therefore I used an ironic tone. I'm sorry, because I thought you were such a typic American. Excuse me :)

Sorry for my bad english. Best Regards.

[Arnold3135]

No apologies required, your English is just fine. I'm glad you were able to see that my disagreement with you about Maestro Richter's interpretation isn't personal. I believe that reasonable people can disagree without being disagreeable or uncivil. In the final analysis, there is too much beauty in world to be disagreeable or too ideological. Warmest regards to you. Perhaps we will have occasion to meet again here at Youtube or elsewhere on the net. Ciao for now!

[HARMONICO101]

Well, I don't think it's idiotic considering this is religious music composed by a very pious man.

[AKSTERSKY]

I referred to the foregoing disputes over religious music composed by a very .pious man as you put it.

I sincerely apolgize for any misunderstang I may have created.

[HARMONICO101]

There is such a thing as a Lutheran mass.

I also don't think the religious meaning ever came second to Bach. This is the man who supposedly said "The aim and final end of all music should be none other than the glory of God and the refreshment of the soul".

And don't stereotype people.

[xollyeux]

@Arnold3135 europeans have civil views? hmm that's odd. Every european in media and real life seem to be arrogant shit-talking butchery backstabbing dumb fucks and can not speak without a dick in their mouths. Oh sorry, that is being civil. Dur pardon me I'm a dumb America, not a stupid eurotrash piece of cock.

[Arnold3135]

@xollyeux LOL Bravely spoken.

[dragmio]

@xollyeux Only an inbred redneck retard can stain this beauty with such language. Go back to Soulja Boy videos and comment there with your fellow illiterates.

[angoranimi07]

@Arnold3135 Music is music, religion is religion. But i like the nuance of your comment sir.

[Arnold3135]

@angoranimi07 Would that it were so simple. From the vantage point of the 21st century I heartily agree with your observation. However, let's not forget that Herr Bach in addition to being Kappellemeister, required to write a cantata or two every Sunday, he was also a practicing Lutheran, for whom these theological ideas provided inspiration to the music he was called upon to compose. 

[kaldbaksbotnur]

Dòmine, non sum dignus, ut intres sub tectum meum, sed tantum dic verbo et sanàbitur ànima mea. Alleluia - Amen

[jaropi17]

La beauté à l'état pur

[JasJoyBroa]

Jesus is Lord

[jaapbaart]

Bach is our King

[JasJoyBroa]

Just do not include "me" in your reference to"our" King. Bach is not singing about Bach in Crucifixus as Bach was not placed on the cross. I thought you might want to know.

[jaapbaart]

I didn't refer to this lyrics only as respect for the man who made the most beautifull music

[ssorelad]

Chill out man, Jesus was a long time ago, get over it.

And Bach isn't singing at all.

[JasJoyBroa]

Just do not include "me" in your reference to"our" King. Bach is not singing about Bach in Crucifixus as Bach was not placed on the cross. I thought you might want to know.

[JasJoyBroa]

"I" can say "I" respect the "man" who wrote script but the subject of Crucifix is beyond print in mine eyes. "I" do respect Bach but "I" cannot and will not denounce JESUS CHRIST as my "King" Bach was a gifted man I have most of his work.

[BACHrroco]

O velhinho era um monstro minha gente, prestem muita atençao nestes 7 minutos e meio de musica e percebam o quanto ele se distancia dos modelos tradicionais de composiçao e cria um universo paralelo cosmico em forma de musica.É tanta grandeza que eu me sinto incapaz de explicar.

[BACHrroco]

J.S.Bach é Deus, ele nao é desse mundo!

[BACHrroco]

A maior realizaçao da mente humana, um verdadeiro milagre de concepçao.

[JasJoyBroa]

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[BACHrroco]

Como pode um ser Humano compor algo tão terrivel??O poder transcendente, metafisico deste 2 movimentos é algo sem paralelo nas artes, e não tenho vergonha de adimitir que choro descontroladamente quando escuto isso, é perfeiçao demais pra mim.Beethoven e Mozart soam pueris e diletantes diante de algo tao estarrecedor como estes 2 movimentos corais.Diante de J.S.Bach sou o mais humilde dos homens.É o único Humano-Deus ou Deus humano que a Terra conheceu.

[BACHrroco]

Como pode um ser Humano compor algo tão terrivel??O poder transcendente, metafisico deste 2 movimentos é algo sem paralelo nas artes, é assombroso!Diante de J.S.Bach sou o mais humilde dos homens.

[JasJoyBroa]

Thank You! Peaceful,Holy,engaging-Shall I go on?

[oossyy]

great performance of the "et incarnatus",crucifixus was great too but I think the tempo is too fast,it seems like christ is trotting all the way to golgotha,pumping his cross.

[borizh]

i agree with you.

crucifixus is so beautiful at a slower tempo.

[energia321]

BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO

[mpark91]

Nicht Bach - sondern Meer müsste er heißen. (Beethoven)

[thethikboy]

Anyone have an English translation for this?

[T0NT0NMAC0UTE]

He shouldn't have been named Bach (= brook). He should have been called "Sea."

(Rough translation)

[bobbyhxc]

What a blessing this is. It's like being in heaven!

[bobbyhxc]

What a blessing this is.  It is like being in heaven!

[michaelfraydon]

For the great perfidious!

[MichaelBramble]

It is impressive that the organist keeps with the orchestra without any aids, there must be some time delay in the sound.

[daciarulz]

Superb!

[Francescodiodovich]

Bellissima interpretazione!

[rcpe2379]

desgarrador esta parte es magistral

solo de un maestro como bach