Better Than Ethanol? BTL in plug-in hybrid diesel vehicles

[aviix]

BTL Hybrids is the ultimate green solution ...

[GemandJoe]

Biofuels have had, and will continue to have, an awful effect on the world's poorest people and their ability to feed themselves. This should be taken into account. There are many types of renewable energy, biofuels is NOT the way to go...

[mjclarthur]

@GemandJoe biofuels doesnt Necessarily mean using foodstuffs to make fuel, it can hopefully be cellulosic ethanol which would convert, elaves,grass clippings, tree trimmings, mulch, switchgrass etc, any form of cellulose

[Lennartflyff]

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[dsuupr]

Obviously this is out of date. Cellulosic Ethanol using "trash" has proven to have a higher return of energy over diesel and gasoline along with producing lower emissions for the cars that use it.

[drmodestoesq]

Exactly, garbage is 40 percent paper (cellulose). Obviously, it is widely available. It also costs a huge amount to landfill. Further, no one wants a garbage dump next to them. It also creates huge numbers of jobs. Many of the jobs are joe-jobs that take a low skill and training level (picking up cellulose garbage e.g. wheat straw, shredded tree branches, ditch weed, old construction waste) that replace blue collar jobs. Also, if the plants are relatively small, they can be decentralized.

[aeroscope]

Torque doesn't increase the 0-60 its horse power

[TypeR891]

your wrong. Torque increases 0-60.... Horsepower is just measures you carrying weight one foot every second. Torque is the actual rotating force.

[thiago497150]

Sugar cane ethanol is cheaper ( cost about US$1 in brazil with a lot of taxes) , can increase the power comparated with same gasoline engine(increase the life of engine too), and overall system is lighter and cheaper than any other system (pure electric, diesel, hybrid...).

But i believe in electric car for future

[PlugInPrius]

I'm buying the Apter Hybrid and it gets 125 miles per gallon even if I never plug it in. now why can't toyota do that. why can't gm do that. why can't any of the other dozens of automakers do that? stupid situation and I'm buying the Aptera Hybrid, Period.

[Conservativesaregood]

the truth is the price of gas is only following the rest of the encomny as the things we buy get more expensive so does gas the cruel joke is e85 has been driving up the price of gas in the biggest way

[Shinta786]

if only the video was a lil' but more sharp so i could read whats in it

[KOB245]

add &fmt=18 to the end of the url, it increades the quality

[Shinta786]

nice, how do you know....i mean...how come u know ...probably an IT prof

[Levesque999]

California could be growing LOADS of biomass with the land they have for almond crops, for example. Though I wonder how much biomass you would get out of almonds... But anyway, Algaculture gives the highest biomass yield, and I don't think any land needs to be cleared for THAT, but correct me if I'm wrong.

[HAL11000]

We are better off with pure electric cars. Wasting land to grow bio mass for fuel will not meet our energy needs and will only drive up the cost for food.

[soylentgreenb]

"We are better off with pure electric cars. Wasting land to grow bio mass for fuel will not meet our energy needs and will only drive up the cost for food."

That's not true. There's lots of land in the US unsuitable for food crops where unassuming prarie grasses will grow in abundance.

[HAL11000]

It will create more green house gasses from the fertalizer. It will drive up food prices. CO2 Lifecycle of creating bio fuels exceeds that of fossil fuels. It is true.

[Levesque999]

I think what's imporant is being able to get off the grid entirely.

If you can get a plug in diesel hybrid that runs on biomass, and your plug in source is, say, your own off the grid home, that's really what you wanna go for

[soylentgreenb]

"I think what's imporant is being able to get off the grid entirely."

Why? The most likely form of energy crisis is a liquid energy crisis, not an electricity crisis.

[samthed]

Gasoline and diesel only represent approx. 50% of our oil consumption. Biomass to Liquid Fuels is THE energy solution not replacing our infrastructure with electric cars. Do you really think everyone in the U.S. will buy brand new cars?

[greyflcn]

==Do you really think everyone in the U.S. will buy brand new cars?==

Eventually, yes. The average car replacement period is only about 5 years.

The real question you should be asking is if we have the ability to fund everyone who buys biofuel an excess of $500 per year in subsidized fuel costs.

However you are correct that Plugin Hybrids will be the interim solution, which are partially reliant on liquid fuels.

greyfalcon. net/ plugins

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[samthed]

Biomass to Liquid is a petroleum analog. What we need is a petroleum analog not entirely new infrastructure. There are many uses for oil besides gasoline. The difference is this: my scenario the USA becomes a major EXPORTER of oil and eliminates the market for middle eastern oil! The majority of muslim oil producing countries economies are 95% oil revenues, lacking that revenue their economies will collapse and they will no longer be able to pursue nukes or war with us.

[greyflcn]

And your scenario is pretty unrealistic because we don't have nearly enough cropland or fresh water to persue that.

Whats more, we have an exponentially growing population worldwide, and they need food.

China for instance has a fraction of the cropland, with 4x the population.

Biomass anything just isn't going to work at any scale, unless of course Algae works, but thats not terribly certain at the moment.

greyfalcon. net/ algae

[samthed]

WRONG. We have over 1.03 billion acres cropland/ 150 million acres designated energy cropland growing miscanthus 30 tons per acre= 450 billion gallons/ 145% of all US oil consumption + 110 million acres DOE non cropland growing poplar 10 tons per acre=120 billion gallons= 570 billion gallons annually + 127 billion existing domestic oil is almost 700 billion gallons or 220% of consumption.

[greyflcn]

Wishful thinking by the DOE doesn't make it a reality.

venturebeat. com/ 2006/11/05/why-cellulosic-etha­nol-will-not-save-us

stopbp-berkeley. org/ CellulosicBiofuels.pdf

globalpublicmedia. com/ the_reality_report_the_myths_o­f_biofuels

[greyflcn]

And here's a much longer read if you're up for it.

greyfalcon. net/ peaksoil

Along with something else to think about.

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[samthed]

I am 100% FOR plug in hybrids and total electric vehicles but it is not enough and to bash biofuels etc. is counterproductive

[greyflcn]

Just in general, biofuels are an amazingly ineffecient source of energy compared to solar electricity.

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[greyflcn]

We already have half of our oil produced domestically. If we can cut out oil consumption with that "85% solution" then we don't need biofuels.

greyfalcon. net/ brazil2

In the long run, we'll just drive entirely electric since you can charge an electric car battery to for 100 mile range in 1 minute given enough current. And 6 minutes to full.

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