MvC3 - Jill Valentine - Advanced Options Tutorial

[that1panamanian]

I may be doing it wrong but when i go into the level 3 i ended up just dashing all over the screen and not really hitting anybody...

[Diamonddeath]

I feel so stupid when I look at these videos because, even if I use the character and know their moves I just can't seem to follow regardless...

[mynameistnb]

All your marvel 2 style pressure are belong to Jill.

WHY DID THEY NERF THIS????!

[SACVI]

The world will never know the broken-ness of Jill Valentine.......

[Ravenwild1]

Persona 4 Game world theme!

[PianoMatn]

What the hell is "236C x N"

Where can i read the definition of this?

[jhvidst2]

@PianoMatn It's Number Pad notation. It's really useful for decribing combo heavy games like Marvel. Imagine a Numpad:

789

456

123

They represent the position of the joystick, and the buttons are labeled ABCS (or LMHS) in marvel. So, 236C mean Quarter Circle forward C. the xN part just means that you repeat that part indefinitely.

You can check sites like Dustloop.com or Shoyuken.com for more information on fighting game notation.

[PianoMatn]

@jhvidst2

well thank first

but i can't do it over and over again?

what am i doing wrong?

[jhvidst2]

@PianoMatn Well, you do have to be in Mad Beast mode. Also, the timing is a little strict. Your not actually canceling 236C into 236C, your technically canceling it into a dash and then the dash into the 236C. What this means to you is input the 236C AFTER you hit the opponent, if you try to do it earlier (like you would with a normal cancel) it won't come out.

The chip loops does take a bit of practice to get down pat, so keep at it.

[AnimePIMP1]

@jhvidst2

wtf are these terms...i wonder if im the only who plays fighting games without guides...

[ViktorKain4121]

Very informative and well put together. I always thought she was overlooked as a character in this game. Good stuff man.

[dorik0]

awesome tutorial and awesome soundtrack

[zalbain]

Ah there you go! Thanks it was on the edge of my mind

[TestingStrat]

This is some really great stuff and has inspired me to pick up Jill, actually I just bought the DLC today, so I'm short 5 bucks because of your vid dude! :P

With that said, is it possible for you to put the notation of the opening combo in the description please? The fact that it has two of my main characters (Dante and Viper) makes me want to learn it asap.

[DaRealKooky]

or I can just play wolverine and push qcb H

[psycho2k9]

new jill tech get hype!!

[DrakoShadows]

It is because of videos like this that I am very sad vanilla MvC3's life is ending so early. Ultimate is going to be a great game, but it's a shame to think of how much untapped tech there is in this game. Keep up the great work; you've officially got me interested in Jill again.

[TheCommandoNando]

@DrakoShadows People are acting like Ultimate is a totally new game. It isn't. It's still gonna have a lot of the undiscovered tech still there. I doubt Jill is changing much in Ultimate cus there isnt much in vanilla thats been discovered that people have complained about for Capcom to change. So please dont be sad. If anything be excited for Ultimate cus theres gonna be whats there in vanilla, fixed, PLUS 12 new characters to be discovered. Dont be sad my friend, be happy for more mvc3.

[jhvidst2]

@TheCommandoNando That's one of the reasons I didn't mention the DHC glitch in the vid. Trying to show off options that have nothing to do with it, since it's going away in a few months.

[jhvidst2]

@TheCommandoNando That's one of the reasons I didn't mention the DHC glitch in the vid. Trying to show off options that have nothing to do with it, since it's going away in a few months.

Everything in the vid should work in Ultimate.

[DrakoShadows]

@TheCommandoNando Well what I mostly mean is that, given time, a lot of the perceived problems of the game (Dark Phoenix for example) would have sorted themselves out as new tech emerged over the years. Trust me when I say that I'm REALLY hyped for Ultimate (I finally get Strider and Vergil), but I hate seeing all the untapped potential in MvC3.0 go to waste.

[elevate07]

This vid rivals Pulsr's Jill vid. Some really excellent stuff here that I'm going to practice immediately. Thanks for the new technology.

[Imozart0341I]

@elevate07 i dont think it rivals his cuz he pretty much set the blue print on how to use jill like movement cross ups cross over counters and that long advanced jump loop. so now we have to take what he showed us and at our touch to it. jhvidst2 did just. that jump loop is so hard next to impossible to do on line due to input lag

[jhvidst2]

@Imozart0341I It's funny you should mention lag, With my recorder hooked up and Xbox setting toggled, I've had to do this with significant input lag. But I hear yah, online is awful.

The big trick in the jump loops is to leave as much of a gap between the jH and jS as possible. It might help you a bit online, but MvC3 online is pretty bad...

[RedBlazeKai]

Wow I didn't think jill could be this amazing. Great stuff bro.

[SassyWynaut]

jill is so fun to watch, and seems to be just so good. i wish more high level players used her

[thepathablaze]

moar! =]

[masose8]

You sir, made me want to give Jill the respect she needs and pick her up.

[Rorshock520]

May's GG theme? Nice choice, my friend :)

[Z00WeeMama]

Wow really good tutorial, can you make a wesker, ammy, and phoenix one?

[JohnQueerTheCyr]

Can you not pushblock the mad best chip setup? I seriously doubt it remains a true blockstring after pushblock.

[jhvidst2]

@JohnQueerTheCyr Like I said in the vid, the only way out is to do a perfect Pushblock (meaning on the first few frames), into a reversal (or CC or XF guard cancel). With Xfactor it is a true blockstring, but you can still pushblock to negate the damage forcing the Jill player to maintain a very specific cadence.

[mavfan619]

Thanks for this I have been playing Jill a lot lately with Wesker and Sentinel (drones just like with any offensive character who needs a way in works great) and I love learning new things with underused characters.

[piskooooo]

Glad this is on srk because I'm subbed to you and didn't even know it was posted. Good shit YouTube...

[D4Gamers]

Dropping Viper for Jill, here's another 5 bucks Capcom!

[jhvidst2]

@D4Gamers you could have both, they work quite well together.

[ispsagel50]

I wonder if Clockw0rk picked up on this? 

[Cl0ud20]

Hope nothing changes in UMvC3 about her. Shes good right now

[civicsi94]

epic

[zalbain]

Godlike tutorial what the hell is the name of the second song I know it from somewhere lol

[jhvidst2]

@zalbain Game from Persona 4. It played during the Void Quest Dungeon.

[Chibisavv]

glorious... now i only need to purchase she

[articanus]

This is one of the best jill videos out there. Please make another one, preferably for executing combos. I just bought jill and I have a hard time grasping what exactly her combos are. Even just an explanation of WHAT to combo with would be great!

Not sure if you'll read this but I'll leave it here just in case. =D

[jhvidst2]

@articanus Check SRK for combo's, I don't really like doing big combo vids, because combo's really mostly boil down to practice, practice, practice.

I do however have some leftovers from this vid. I cut out the less impressive stuff. I might make a follow up with smaller little tricks, as opposed to big flashy resets and combo's.

[Inuyasha47]

Ok then that leaves Dr Doom, Sentinel, Akuma, Ryu, and Ammy. Thanks I know what my team for Ultimate will be then.

[CrunKAintDeaDx]

wow i use Jill Dante Viper sweeeeet



[Inuyasha47]

One more thing, could use Dormammu Dark Hole assist or Aim Master (Horizontal Shot for a mixup as well?

[jhvidst2]

@Inuyasha47 Yeah, but Jill can't do anything particularly special with them, but they are still good overall assists for any character (especially the arrows), so you can't really go wrong there. I think the OTG is the biggest thing you need for Jill. Since THC's tend to be really inefficient.

[Imozart0341I]

I LEARNED a lot from pulsr's page i never i never thought about giving deadpool the otg assits. i learned how to control the lvl 3 from he and options to get in and damaging combos and now you showed me shes even deadlier. time to go rank up

[jhvidst2]

@Imozart0341I I borrowed alot of strategy from Pulsr, he's a ver good player.

Just a warning, Deadpool's OTG assist causes a ground bounce, so you'll have o adjust accordingly. You could do, OTG>22S~B>22S~6~623B to setup the Wesker reset, but you lose the raw tag options with Deapool. Unless you wanna burn meter for the THC's.

[evilweevle]

wow never knew jill could be such a beast! may consider her in ultimate for my team actually! :D

[Predictableseeing]

Really great video. Please make more, I really love the attention Jill gets with this video.

[PoetsGhost]

Awesome!! 

[suremanwhatever]

Toaster you're the man!

[jhvidst2]

@suremanwhatever Um... I'm FlyingVe? :)

[ArcanaJustice]

I have always wanted to use Jill well, and this serves as the perfect tool to take my Jill to the competitive level. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

[Zenrot]

If you don't mind my asking, whats the name of the last song in the video?

[jhvidst2]

@Zenrot Blue Water Blue Sky - It's May's theme from GGXX

[Zenrot]

@jhvidst2 Thanks. Also, thanks for this video tutorial, I'm picking up Jill just because of this hahaha.

[Inuyasha47]

I have been using Jill as well and I was wondering if she is better with a beam assist backing her up because I also use an OTG assist to help her but since your Jill tutorial shows you not using Doom's beam assist I was wondering does she even need it.

[jhvidst2]

@Inuyasha47 I like doom rocks because it's slower and doubles as a lockdown assists. I don't like doom's beam with Jill because it blows people away making it hard to confirm. Also, in my opinion, the nature of her moveset and teleports make it harder to take advantage of beams then say... Wesker. If you like using beams, check out Pulsr, he player Jill/???/IM using Unibeam you might be able to get some stuff from him.

[Irvin3Kinneas]

> Watch this tutorial Don't watch this tutorial

[jhvidst2]

@Irvin3Kinneas Thou power increased by 10, thou time decreased by 8. :)

[JordanSRK]

This is awesome, I want to learn Jill and this will definately help

[GTFODeathknight]

random laugh at "THE WESKER"

[bobwayne17]

amazing.

[TheBboyism]

This is really helpful to all Jill mainers.

THe presentation was pretty solid too.

[GhostOfMyself]

She's overly weak unless you combo consistently. She needs a new level 3 regardless.

[jhvidst2]

@GhostOfMyself "combo consistently"? I mean, sure, if you don't want to put in the time to get your game up to snuff, she won't be very strong. Jill is one of the most technical characters in the game, so if doing combo's is a problem for you, then she isn't a good choice.

However, if you do put in the time she has one of the most flexible toolsets in the game. With them, you can answer pretty much any situation the game throws at you.

Also, Jill has the best lvl3 in the game, its just touchy.

[GhostOfMyself]

@jhvidst2 A nearly uncontrollable lvl3 is not the best in the game, and it is overly touchy. She needs tweaking regardless. You don't have to agree.

[jhvidst2]

@GhostOfMyself I can control it just fine. It's one of the best anti-phoenix supers in the game. If you can't control it the only one you have to blame is yourself, not the game. It could stand to be less touchy, but I don't see how you can do that without making the super into something else entirely.

[jhvidst2]

@GhostOfMyself "combo consistently"? I mean, sure, if you don't want to put in the time to get your game up to snuff, she won't be very strong. Jill is one of the most technical characters in the game, so if doing combo's is a problem for you, then she isn't a good choice.

However, if you do put in the time she has one of the most flexible toolsets in the game. With them, you can answer pretty much any situation the game throws at you.

Also, Jill has the best lvl3 in the game, its just touchy.

[ProzacStylings]

@jhvidst2

Actually, X-23 has the best Level 3 in the game. Nobody else can 100% guarantee a kill on an incoming character.

That said, I wouldn't say combos are the lynchpin to Jill's success. If you can do a decent combo into Raven Spike DHC Glitch, that's generally fine. She's weak unless you can control her flow outside of combos, I'd say.

[jhvidst2]

@ProzacStylings Being unable to control the character is only a fault of the player.

But yeah, the best lvl 3 is either Jill, X23, or Doom. Jill and X23's are very similar actually, they both create what is basically guaranteed damage (almost, there are answers to both), but I would give jills the edge because it has alot more utility outside of said setups, and you build meter like normal while your in crack mode. My opinion on which is better though. X23 has a strong case too.

[ProzacStylings]

@jhvidst2

I don't want to cause a ruckus on your video page, bro. Really like the material, those Machine Gun + Assist resets are disgusting. Couldn't you make that a 50/50, if you properly space where you start the Machine Gun from, and combine it with an assist that'll hit them long enough for Jill to dash in?

And if they block right, they can't pushblock the assist, and have to guess 50/50 again from Feral Dash monkeyness? More like a 75/25 then, crazy.

[jhvidst2]

@ProzacStylings Thanks, and don't worry, discussion is how everyone learns things, if we all thought the same way... we'd be wolverine players :).

I'm not sure I understand what you're thinking? All the MGS resets I demoed (there are more) already leave you in their face with frame advantage, and Jill just being next to you is a 50/50. One thing you can do is, by altering the position you start the Machine gun from, you can alter how they have to block it, and where you wind up.

[jhvidst2]

@ProzacStylings Also, I didn't mention the DHC glitch in this vid mostly because everyone already knows that, and it'll be gone in a couple months.

[SexualRice]

Usually I don't take people's combos for Jill, and I usually come up with my own.Infact, I was able to get a character specific 950K with Jill, but NEVER thought of adding an OTG'd assist into her Arrow kick/ Double knee drop. Brilliant stuff! Sorry bro, but I'm about to steal your 1m and see if I can modify it a bit to suit my team

PS- Did you ever explore the Summersault reset? Right after Raven Spike, you have tech-adv to Sum into combo/j.c

Anyway I can get a notation though?

Jsoledout1

[jhvidst2]

@SexualRice What do you need a notation for specifically? I'd be glad to oblige.

[Kamukix]

This is soooooo perfect right now. Jill is probably the most fun I think I've ever had with any fighting game character, and I decided yesterday to start putting some more time into her again. (used her for the first 300 matches, then started playing with Cap as my main for a few thousand).

This will help me get her up to par very quickly, and get my brain back into Jill movement mode (vastly different from my Cap/Spencer/IronMan team).

Keep it coming!!!

Kei

[TheBabyNipps]

HOW DOES THIS ONLY HAVE 60 VIEW???? This deserves front page of shoryuken. Make it happen Interwebs.

[jhvidst2]

@TheBabyNipps : )

[MrCookTM]

Pretty good stuff as always Ve, awesome Vid!

[PETTALOMASHESGARDEN]

MOREEE! that was an incredible tutorial :D

[DocCeaser]

Great vid. Would you say every jill team needs an otg assist?

[jhvidst2]

@DocCeaser Yeah, having just an OTG assist does wonders for her mixup potential, it doesn't just setup the resets I demoed, but it lets you combo off her air throw, which is a big deal.

[DocCeaser]

@jhvidst2 Thanks. I need to adjust my jill team.

[gottnoskill]

Good stuff Ve. Always enjoyed jill but never took a lot of time to really investigate her game. Nice stuff. Keep it up!

[NissanZaxima]

Good shit Ve. This will probably get me started learning Jill.

[Shinkada]

And yes I want to see more videos like this! Including you getting your ass to tournaments, buddy.

(also fuck yeah P4 music)

[Shinkada]

I swear Jill could be top tier if anyone ever got good enough with her to pull off her advanced stuff regularly under pressure...

But then there's a few other characters I'd think the same of, like MODOK. I guess MvC3 is the only game where ease of use contributes to tier listing. :b

[jhvidst2]

@Shinkada Jill has mobility issues, assists can help, but there are plenty of characters that don't have the issues in the first place. That's the main thing holding her back, that and people not putting in the time to explore this very advanced character.

[Shinkada]

@jhvidst2 Yeah. But mobility isn't as big a deal as it used to be in MvC3. It's hard as fuck to zone someone unless you have a team explicitly for it, and not many people don't have Wolvie or She-Hulk on point.

But yeah. It takes time to bring out her potential and why bother when Berserker Slash exists. :c