@mikes852 The target is just above the knee, towards the outer thigh. If executed correctly you will not feel a thing and your opponent will be in a world of pain.
dude i must say that kicks is realy sweet and umm dnt think of me bad for asking this but is there any way i could import it into my shotokan karate kick (considering that we kick with our foot not our shin )
my kick is very similair to this except my body type is way different. I have added a couple bad habits over the years, but for the most part I get back to it. Great job donnie, your kick is perfect imo.
ok so... the kick and motion of it is good for the speed and power. i mean if u land that on the leg.. pretty much anywhere on the leg the guys gona be hurting bad. but it also looks like it takes a lota energy to throw and to recover.. at least quickly enough to not get caught in the middle of the turn.. so would u recommend this in a muay thai fight? if so probably better in later rounds? yes? thanks
I've been practising this "old style kicl" for some time now taking example from your videos. Now recently I took an MMA beginners course and while we were training the round kicks, my instructor comments my kick with the words "Your kick looks precisely how it should be like."
hes probably pretty balanced, hes moving his center of gravity not losing it. it adds a lot to your striking. think of yourself as a point on a map is what i do. if youre stationary youre quite susceptable.
It looks like a very powerful kick indeed but aren't you throwing yourself off balance and losing your center of gravity? Isn't balance key in fighting? please enlighten me.
hey donnie b, what is the likelihood of that training facilty in santa clara still being around in say 7 years? i have previous martial arts experience and when i get out of the army i would really like to spend a few years under you. muay boran is a dream, which i would like to practice to the point of mastery. i could look into thailand but your videos look like masterpieces and i would like to start in california, at your facility.
i have been doing muay thai for 5 years now and the round kick is one of my favourits because i am a bigger person. through my training i was always told to step and pivot then kick but it never worked for me, so i developed a way to throw the weight of my leg and then twist my body to actually perform a hard kick. i know its not a great technique but it seems to work for me. any tips for me, being a larger person???
i really want to learn to throw this correctly. My biggest problem is i can't seem to get the "spring" during the throw, if you know what i mean. i guess what i'm saying is that i'm having problems getting my body to drive through with the kick. i noticed you commented to another saying you could critique their kicks if they sent you a video, could i possibly do the same?
@mistyflip78 You wanna think of your shin as a baseball bat. The sweet spot is up towards the upper part of the bone. You can, however, strike with any part of the shin above the ankle, it'll still hurt the other guy like he'll.
@whotookdonnierules when it comes to those shin kicks, i see alot of people incorporate a snapping motion like in tae kwon do. Are you suppose to keep the shin part of your leg angled all the way, or is there a snapping motion on contact. Sorry if i didnt do a good job explaining my question.
@reaperofgenocide theres no snapping the kick. its hard to not to at first. basically do a captain Morgan but raised at the side and doing the turn over generates the power and the leg is naturally bent. even if it straitens out a bit its ok. the turn over and drive with good pivot is probably the most focused parts besides doing it all in one motion. you can break it down at first. it took me a very very long time to do this kick. its well worth it.
@muaythaijunky Thanks. For now im going to be doing the kick in slow motion. Seems like i should be doing the kick like a person does a hammer fist. They bring the force down with their whole arm and they dont hit from the elbow and the whole arm is bent.
@reaperofgenocide if you can put a video down of you doing the kick a good few times i will see to any corrections or little tweeks you can use for power. this way i can see the technique and help work with you if you need it.
@muaythaijunky i wish i could but i dont own a video camera. I guess i just have to keep on learning how the body works and moves. But thanks youve been good help. I myself suspected there was no snapping motion in it and you cleared that up.
Wow. Those are kicks look evil. Been training round kicks for a couple years now, and this is very helpful. Can't wait to check out your other vids. Thanks for the inspiration.
@fasy16 That was the first video I ever shot. The bags were moving because I probably threw some warm up kicks during a dry run of the video. Either that or I moved the bags with my mind.
This is awesome! Stumbled on the video a few days a go and I've been really practicing it but I have one question: do you kind of lean forward in order to drive forward? I find my upperbody's kind of tipping just before I start rotating. Any advice would be much appreciated =D
This kick is pretty hard to learn in my opinion. It requires alot of strength and coordination of multiple muscles, which makes it hard to execute properly. At least I'm having a hard time mastering it.
@Svittidiu It takes a while to get the biomechanics down, and learning it from a video must be tough. If you send me a video response of yourself throwing about 10-15 kicks can give me enough to provide you with pointers.
the old school round kick works amazingly against heavier/slower opponents, if the bloke your fighting against is faster and is abled to dodge your kick, it eliminates the usefulness of the attack, then you open yourself up, good video though Donnie, you really should include when to and when not to use techniques in your videos in my humble opinion.
cool looks like a powerful kick. just wondering as this is different to how I was trained to kick. It looks like if you miss this kick, since you're throwing your body forwards into it...that you lose a lot of balance & open yourself up to attacks. the way I was taught feels more controlled in the event of missing a kick i'm able to return to stance in time to defend attacks. is this the case?
i really love how you explain the drive and how important it is, i use it for everything now. Jab, cross, elbows, knees, kicks, not sure about hooks and uppercuts though lol no one wants to spar with me anymore.
Okay, I'd really like to learn this kick, so let me just make sure I got the general idea right. I'm pretty stupid, and am probably wrong. As you lift the leg to kick, you drive your upper body forward and at the moment you want to kick, you extend the leg into the target and drop your weight down into the kick. The shin should make contact on or directly above the knee. Does that sound about right?
@Svittidiu Only if you're fighting a dwarf. The idea seems to be that your kick is arcing down, so the only way you could kick like this to the head is if you could start with your leg significantly higher than the opponent's head.
This is true, most of the muay thai these days are for sport and not actualy kombat, my instructer showed me to kick like this i like it a lot man, i feel like ken on street fighter haha
dont listen to any1 trying to be a smug asshole trying to correct everything, when i bet they dont even train themselves, your a beast man. i bet youve won some fights yeh?
I like this technique better than the usual one where you step out. My base art is Wing Chun, but I cross train in Muay Thai as well. In Wing Chun, we usually practice most of our techniques from a neutral square stance. This type of non- telegraphic kick fits perfectly with that. And in fact, my Muay Thai instructor tells me to also take more of a square stance. It' better for power and in a real fight, you can't choose orthodox or southpaw. You better be good in every side.
Dropping your hands is a no. no. His kicks are great, but you can tell he needs to box more often. If he did there would no negative write ups. I am a lover of combat and teach it privately, just put the hands up, everything else you is spot on.
Fuck hell dude, your kicks are freaky hard. You don't appear very intimidating, but once you start delivering strikes... damn, your opponent is gonna be surprised.
i know what you're trying to do there but the way you do it on the bag will get you knocked the fuck out so either try to lean to the side more to evade jabs at least or stop teaching it wrong to the people...and don't take that as offense, take it as advice!
i dont need to make video to show anything to anyone..actually i can tell you from this video what he did wrong..check the first kick on 0:58 and then check those 3 kicks that follow..the first kick was the only one that was good and the only one where he acutally leaned to the side..leaning is the most important thing in learning proper low kicks, any muay thai master will tell you that..i've got a friend who got ko'd that way cus he didnt lean..well he did but forward instead of side lol..
Both concepts work. just keep your hands up to protect your face. Also, knockouts via jab are extremely rare in boxing or MMA.
An arguement could be made against anything though. I could argue that steping on a 45 before each round kick telagraphs the move and leaves you open for a knockout via left hook (an actual proven knockout blow).
The point is there is absolutely no way of attacking with any technique that wont in some way leave you open to a counter attack.
The drive of the kick comes in at a 45 degree angle, and its not meant for sport where you're squaring off with an opponent. Its meant to help you get inside while striking and preventing you from ending up directly in front of an attacker. And you don't dip, you drop your weight. You land a few of those and you won't have to worry about a heavy counter attack.
@whotookdonnierules I agree with this. It's a finisher, designed to take the leg out. In a battlefield situation, there's not so much worrying about counter attacks. Only how to end the fight as quickly as possible.
@Moderm101 That kick is very difficult to counter. You can't strike at his face without exposing your leg to an extremely painful kick. My preferred way of dealing with Muay Thai low kicks is to move out the way: safest.
@Defiant1901 LMAO.. not its not... simpley check the kick, land with ur weight on your foot and follow through with a right hand or left hook depending on which leg he kicked with and which leg you checked with... easy.
@Moderm101 easier said than done. In a muay thai kick, you right hand (side I strike with) is lifted up to deflect round hooks. Also, the step before hand moves you out of his striking line. Oh, and if you check the kick, by the time you have a striking stance your opponent will have had a chance to move back into a guard stance.
@Moderm101 dude. I practice karate and I have such a difficult time getting through to my colleagues that the MMA stuff is powerful but could get a person killed in a real situation. What I see here is perfect for multiple attack and self defense situation... the real purpose of training for the average joe.
I think muay baron will make a strong come back. It has impressed me. I have worked on this power shin kick myself now for one year after viewing. In the beginning it is awkward, but once you throw the kick with a twist shin movement. After the kick you can finish an attacker with a judo throw, then walk home.
i aint a professional by no means...you say his kick is wide but in say a street fight i dont think many people would have time before that kick took there knee out etc..
good kick, if you pause it where he kicks you see hes not hitting the shin but the side of the knee, theres a nerve there that makes the leg go limp(ive had it done to me before lol)
i dont know if that was ment to happen but hey it worked
He is throwing an old skool style roundhouse. one of my instructors is old school and teaches both traditional and military. Remember Muay Thai was used in war and was taught and used to cripple.
Exactly. The sport/ring style muay thai kick is actually a watered down version of the older, combat technique. It's meant to break the knee - if that mentality was brought into the sport, most fighters would have careers lasting 3 - 7 fights. All ring/competition martial arts (MMA included) are dilluted versions. Fighters, managers, promoters make more money if their fighters last longer. Therefore, the dirty stuff is taken out of most MA training. Thx for the insight GotThiaJitsu.
Man your awesome , i practice muay thai and i absolutely love lerdit much more , because its the more perfect version of muay thai for self defence ,anyway plz plz plz keep posting videos ,we dont see a coach who teaches side moves for self defence everyday =D , thanks again , subscribed
yeah i'm learning the same old military style kicks from my teacher, so much better to learn the proper technique, it is after all muay thai, all practitioners should be learning the proper style.
@whotookdonnierules Absolutely. the Thai Had to water it down a bit to make it into sport for everybody. And thats why we see Great Thai boxers like Ramon Dekkers and Samart Payakaroon and Buakaw with records like 51-12-2 or 74-16-2. otherwise we WOULDNT see Fighters like Buakaw in the game. How many border fights against the Burmese could they handle, and how long could someone endure years and years of non stop nasty injuries?
@whotookdonnierules it isnt watered down ,the legal targets just change.MMA certainly isnt watered down,the rules are less open than vale tudo but the fighters and techniques are twice as skilled.Techs that cant be sparred are never reliable under stress.
@whotookdonnierules is it better for these kicks to use the uppe part of the calves because i use where my foot and leg connect as like a wreckingball i guss u could say, but i see you moving the bag like crazy kinda looks like your lower knee?
Donnie, If a martial art is taught to the civilians as a means of survival, then to the military and finally to sport fighters....you got yourself one hell of a system. I think Krav Maga is the next to go sport and maybe JKD. What do you think.
Yeah, I see the benefit in this. Something to add to the leg kick toolbox. Less telegrahped. I agree with clearcombat, faint a one two first, which will protect with the left hand and generate more twist speed and power as you pull it back, then bring the right more accross the face(not the chest) while finishing. Throw at minimum a one or two punch combo immediately as you start bringing the kick back then circle out, never go strait back.
I do low kicks on a bag similar to what you're kicking...my only problem is that whenever i kick, my pinky toe gets hurt in the process. Am I over rotating my leg when I kick or something? Any tips you got?
@AaronCutter whenever i did low kicks, my point of impact was on the "tibia" (dont know the english name, i reckon its Shinbone)... Take a closer look to his lowkick and youll see that he doesnt use his foot to strike, but his tibia bone
The kicks have shorter range but are way stronger.
His kick is great, but his head is to forward and his hands are down. Should throw a quick one, two punch combo after the kick just in case it is blocked.
at my muay thai gym iv been taught to step into the kick, with the step i place my ankle rotated 90* then when i kick i rotate it so its facing my opponent
It isn't that what you've been taught is good or bad, it's just different from how I've been trained to throw round kicks. What you've learned is how almost all ring style thai boxing schools/camps teach kicks. I've been taught, and teach older military styles of muay thai. The purpose of my kicks aren't to score points or weaken the leg, they're meant to incompacitate. My kicks generate more power in the context of street/combat fighting.
very powerfull kicks..i ve learn how do it before..but u have to be carefull if somebody block that kick with his knee u gonna break your leg ahaha for real
i don't do the step either when i do ring style kicks, donnie is right about losing rotation but also, if you're up against a good thai boxer (or someone on the street who pays close attention) then stepping out like that can give away your attack. and thus making it easily countered
Watch Ramon Dekkers if you want to see a similar kick - He has some awesome leg kicks that spin people around, buckle people's legs and you can see the instant pain in his opponents faces. Dekkers was a devastating fighter.
Funny you say that...Ramon Dekkers is in my opinion, the best modern muay thai fighter - more so than Diesel Noi. Dekkers' aggression was unparalleled.
Man those are some seriously devastating kicks. I can only imagine the damage that would do to the oponents legs, let alone the rib cage. The school I went to teaches the step-in version of this kick and I never understood this concept since it feels a bit cumbersome to perform and I found that I was able to generate a lot more power when doing the pivoting version. Thanks for corroborating this. Great vid.
@AntonioE07 any pivotting action is automatically less powerful as the friction with the ground puts the brakes on the hip rotation.The sidestep pre rotates the hip without friction.
I have a question.. am I right to say you are twisting your hips while your right leg is in mid air? And your kick lands right when your right foot touches the ground?
I'm pivoting with my post foot while I turn my throwing hip over (transition from the Captain Morgan stance to the actual strike). Ideally, your post leg foot does not leave the ground, in fact, the more you can sink your weight, the harder the kick - more torque.
Just a question.....am I right to say you're twisting your hip while your right foot is in mid air? And then your left kick contacts right when your right foot lands?
Thank you Jake, ,means a lot to hear that. Training in Thailand doesn't necessarily mean you're learning the best tech. Thai camps are famous not holding back on teaching westerners master techniques and the older stuff.
@whotookdonnierules The holding back from western culture is the reason a lot of fighters go to Holland to learn muay thai. It has easily some of the best in the world!
Thanks for this, Donnie. It's been so long since I've been at the Academy that I forgot about this essential component--I've been stepping before I kick for a while now. This drive makes all the difference in the world. Thanks again.
Thanks Donnie. I am a beginner and was using the straigh leg MMA technique before I saw your clip. But when I started the old school method you showed, my bag gets dented and the sheer force is amazing. I am sold!!! I will watch all you videos.
im just wondering, even if you step, doesn't your hip kinda automatically make up for lost power since it'll have to sort of whip itself faster to make up for the extra twist you make with the first pivot?
I don't claim to be a know it all, however I do want to say that the lil step forward you do can bring you in range, where as you may not be in range if you don't take the step. Ideally, a practioner could perform either the step round or the pivot round as needed. Just my personal observation for what it is worth. Good videos though, keep doing what u do.
hey, a white guy doing real muay thai! Wow!!!! I went through the same thing figuring out how much to step. If you step too much you lose rotation, but if you don't step you lose momentum and you can't close the distance. Perfect description donnie.
dont drop your rear hand dude..
dlaDzagunki 2 weeks ago
Have you ever been in competion
nyck1d36 2 weeks ago
fail!
mikashita07 2 months ago
such a weakling!
mikashita07 2 months ago
@mikashita07 shut the hell up he could demolish you
Shuukyou 2 months ago 3
does your feet hurt after you do that?
legomyeggo123 2 months ago
@legomyeggo123 not if your conditioned for it
crazyjunkey98 1 month ago
i like your vids they're unique
who has taught you muay thai ?
BakiTheBERSERK 2 months ago
the shin u dumb fuck
MrDanthemegaman 4 months ago
why do you aim for the opponents knee? doesnt that hurt your own leg
mikes852 5 months ago
@mikes852 good conditioning will help avoid hurting yourself. if it does hurt you think of how much pain the other guys in.
muaythaijunky 4 months ago
@mikes852 The target is just above the knee, towards the outer thigh. If executed correctly you will not feel a thing and your opponent will be in a world of pain.
Locktulkan 4 months ago
SAGAT WOULD BE PROUD
pepehorhae 5 months ago 2
@pepehorhae and JOE HIGASHI too
TzuBabu 4 months ago
@pepehorhae and JOE HIGASHI too
TzuBabu 4 months ago
dude i must say that kicks is realy sweet and umm dnt think of me bad for asking this but is there any way i could import it into my shotokan karate kick (considering that we kick with our foot not our shin )
SilenTwolF23100 5 months ago
So the drive comes from the back leg, and is transferred through the pivot?
SpawnofHastur 5 months ago
Donnie B is the shiit
doomkun 8 months ago
my kick is very similair to this except my body type is way different. I have added a couple bad habits over the years, but for the most part I get back to it. Great job donnie, your kick is perfect imo.
bmx7596 8 months ago
ok so... the kick and motion of it is good for the speed and power. i mean if u land that on the leg.. pretty much anywhere on the leg the guys gona be hurting bad. but it also looks like it takes a lota energy to throw and to recover.. at least quickly enough to not get caught in the middle of the turn.. so would u recommend this in a muay thai fight? if so probably better in later rounds? yes? thanks
d4systm 9 months ago
What did that bag ever do to you?!
kpoll2 9 months ago
All in one motion wow.....
My coach told me to position your stationary feet first before you move your kicking feet. I can't do all that in one motion!
Naturepheonix 9 months ago
Donnie great videos mate
scouse131 9 months ago
why does he kick downward?
llrond 11 months ago
@llrond so it cuts down on the muscles
lilspliffmc 9 months ago
he is still stepping into it
imchrix 11 months ago
I liked the part where he explained the old style Muay Thai round kick.
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
I've been practising this "old style kicl" for some time now taking example from your videos. Now recently I took an MMA beginners course and while we were training the round kicks, my instructor comments my kick with the words "Your kick looks precisely how it should be like."
Svittidiu 11 months ago
Watch few of your videos and have to say that I love them. Great styles n massive energy as u throw them kicks
AKcib 11 months ago
hes probably pretty balanced, hes moving his center of gravity not losing it. it adds a lot to your striking. think of yourself as a point on a map is what i do. if youre stationary youre quite susceptable.
patsmearsskp 1 year ago
It looks like a very powerful kick indeed but aren't you throwing yourself off balance and losing your center of gravity? Isn't balance key in fighting? please enlighten me.
dsong2006 1 year ago
hey donnie b, what is the likelihood of that training facilty in santa clara still being around in say 7 years? i have previous martial arts experience and when i get out of the army i would really like to spend a few years under you. muay boran is a dream, which i would like to practice to the point of mastery. i could look into thailand but your videos look like masterpieces and i would like to start in california, at your facility.
patsmearsskp 1 year ago
i have been doing muay thai for 5 years now and the round kick is one of my favourits because i am a bigger person. through my training i was always told to step and pivot then kick but it never worked for me, so i developed a way to throw the weight of my leg and then twist my body to actually perform a hard kick. i know its not a great technique but it seems to work for me. any tips for me, being a larger person???
bickley2828 1 year ago
Hey man, great advices you got here, I'm gonna try them out today!!! See ya
dmarins 1 year ago
"Blow out the knee"?
No no no... kick the knee, ur gnna get knee spiked and u can snap ur shin in half..
BAD KICK -______-
Moderm101 1 year ago
i really want to learn to throw this correctly. My biggest problem is i can't seem to get the "spring" during the throw, if you know what i mean. i guess what i'm saying is that i'm having problems getting my body to drive through with the kick. i noticed you commented to another saying you could critique their kicks if they sent you a video, could i possibly do the same?
Codatheme 1 year ago
Donnie B you leftheanded ? you atack be left siz
KEEN69MANGUST 1 year ago
sick video gr8 stuff
DjRodimusPrimeXyZ 1 year ago
sweet videos donnie, you got the best, most accurate instruction on youtube. thanks heaps my man.
tommymonsternz 1 year ago
What part of the leg/foot is supposed to make contact with the target?
mistyflip78 1 year ago
@mistyflip78 You wanna think of your shin as a baseball bat. The sweet spot is up towards the upper part of the bone. You can, however, strike with any part of the shin above the ankle, it'll still hurt the other guy like he'll.
whotookdonnierules 1 year ago 6
@whotookdonnierules when it comes to those shin kicks, i see alot of people incorporate a snapping motion like in tae kwon do. Are you suppose to keep the shin part of your leg angled all the way, or is there a snapping motion on contact. Sorry if i didnt do a good job explaining my question.
reaperofgenocide 7 months ago
@reaperofgenocide theres no snapping the kick. its hard to not to at first. basically do a captain Morgan but raised at the side and doing the turn over generates the power and the leg is naturally bent. even if it straitens out a bit its ok. the turn over and drive with good pivot is probably the most focused parts besides doing it all in one motion. you can break it down at first. it took me a very very long time to do this kick. its well worth it.
muaythaijunky 4 months ago
@muaythaijunky Thanks. For now im going to be doing the kick in slow motion. Seems like i should be doing the kick like a person does a hammer fist. They bring the force down with their whole arm and they dont hit from the elbow and the whole arm is bent.
reaperofgenocide 4 months ago
@reaperofgenocide if you can put a video down of you doing the kick a good few times i will see to any corrections or little tweeks you can use for power. this way i can see the technique and help work with you if you need it.
muaythaijunky 4 months ago
@muaythaijunky i wish i could but i dont own a video camera. I guess i just have to keep on learning how the body works and moves. But thanks youve been good help. I myself suspected there was no snapping motion in it and you cleared that up.
reaperofgenocide 4 months ago
@mistyflip78
never use your foot.. that's what my muay thai instructor taught me. and it hurts like hell if your foot hits their knee off a block
BassistsDoItBetterr 4 months ago
god damn tht is loud
Muhaiminahad 1 year ago
I never was taught to step forward. I think im kicking pretty wrong or something. Either way awesome video.
Thetruenihilus 1 year ago
How can i harden my shins like you?
When i go kick a bag at my fullest it hurts.... allot.
JHRMS 1 year ago
@JHRMS kick a bag 10 times with each leg everyday for the rest of your life. takes some time, but you will get there.
tommymonsternz 1 year ago
Wow. Those are kicks look evil. Been training round kicks for a couple years now, and this is very helpful. Can't wait to check out your other vids. Thanks for the inspiration.
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Dynamite954 1 year ago
u learned this on my own in kickboxing >_< .. i love this kick it works really well .. i usually catch them in the ribs
thatvideoguy1993 1 year ago
ur videos are my teacher.. thnks alot..
shadowryz 1 year ago
__Why there are always people who don't like good videos???
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sevenSouled 1 year ago
Why did u move ur heavy bags at the start of the video.. lol
fasy16 1 year ago
@fasy16 That was the first video I ever shot. The bags were moving because I probably threw some warm up kicks during a dry run of the video. Either that or I moved the bags with my mind.
whotookdonnierules 1 year ago 34
Holy Power!
edomma 1 year ago
Is this way muay thai kicks are the most powerful? Looks pretty painful to get hit.
TAC412 1 year ago
thats not a good kick.
Rui6779 1 year ago
This is awesome! Stumbled on the video a few days a go and I've been really practicing it but I have one question: do you kind of lean forward in order to drive forward? I find my upperbody's kind of tipping just before I start rotating. Any advice would be much appreciated =D
FU0C0 1 year ago
@FU0C0 t=The key is to keep your shoulders over your kick, so, yes, lean forward! Good catch.
whotookdonnierules 1 year ago
This kick is pretty hard to learn in my opinion. It requires alot of strength and coordination of multiple muscles, which makes it hard to execute properly. At least I'm having a hard time mastering it.
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@Svittidiu no kick requires strength and all require coordination of multiple joint movements ,you cant control multiple muscles.
billysue2 1 year ago
@Svittidiu It takes a while to get the biomechanics down, and learning it from a video must be tough. If you send me a video response of yourself throwing about 10-15 kicks can give me enough to provide you with pointers.
whotookdonnierules 1 year ago
@whotookdonnierules could i send you send a video response and get some pointers about the kicks?
jaypee242 1 year ago
the old school round kick works amazingly against heavier/slower opponents, if the bloke your fighting against is faster and is abled to dodge your kick, it eliminates the usefulness of the attack, then you open yourself up, good video though Donnie, you really should include when to and when not to use techniques in your videos in my humble opinion.
But I enjoyed the video regardless.
Cheers.
GabbysMyKittyRawr 1 year ago
cool looks like a powerful kick. just wondering as this is different to how I was trained to kick. It looks like if you miss this kick, since you're throwing your body forwards into it...that you lose a lot of balance & open yourself up to attacks. the way I was taught feels more controlled in the event of missing a kick i'm able to return to stance in time to defend attacks. is this the case?
llkrippler 1 year ago
i really love how you explain the drive and how important it is, i use it for everything now. Jab, cross, elbows, knees, kicks, not sure about hooks and uppercuts though lol no one wants to spar with me anymore.
thecrazyoftheinsane 1 year ago
Okay, I'd really like to learn this kick, so let me just make sure I got the general idea right. I'm pretty stupid, and am probably wrong. As you lift the leg to kick, you drive your upper body forward and at the moment you want to kick, you extend the leg into the target and drop your weight down into the kick. The shin should make contact on or directly above the knee. Does that sound about right?
roflcopterprods 1 year ago
@roflcopterprods just focus on trying to 'turn ur hip into and thru ur target'.
shibalkeseki69 1 year ago
How heavy are those bags..
UnF0cuS 1 year ago
Mister Donnie, can you make an old style Muay Thai round kick like this to the head?
Svittidiu 1 year ago
@Svittidiu Only if you're fighting a dwarf. The idea seems to be that your kick is arcing down, so the only way you could kick like this to the head is if you could start with your leg significantly higher than the opponent's head.
roflcopterprods 1 year ago
This is true, most of the muay thai these days are for sport and not actualy kombat, my instructer showed me to kick like this i like it a lot man, i feel like ken on street fighter haha
6ftUnder92592 1 year ago
dont listen to any1 trying to be a smug asshole trying to correct everything, when i bet they dont even train themselves, your a beast man. i bet youve won some fights yeh?
grayz69 1 year ago
I like this technique better than the usual one where you step out. My base art is Wing Chun, but I cross train in Muay Thai as well. In Wing Chun, we usually practice most of our techniques from a neutral square stance. This type of non- telegraphic kick fits perfectly with that. And in fact, my Muay Thai instructor tells me to also take more of a square stance. It' better for power and in a real fight, you can't choose orthodox or southpaw. You better be good in every side.
hulkout666 1 year ago
yeah!
mouchoiratomic 1 year ago
What kind of conditioning do you do for your shins? I mean, the kick really does look powerful, but isn't it a little too risky for you?
I mean, I can see that if you land at the target you describe (right above the knee) he's just going to go down, and stay down.
But... seriously, if he lifts the knee up and you end up hitting full force against a knee, I think you're just going to break your own leg.
DaBhaalspawn 1 year ago
@DaBhaalspawn there are actual mma fights where this has happend
shibalkeseki69 1 year ago
@shibalkeseki69
I know, that's why I posted that comment some time ago.
Going all-out against a hard surface is not what I'd do, but then again, I don't train in MT.
DaBhaalspawn 1 year ago
What kind of conditioning do you do for your shins? I mean, the kick really does look powerful, but isn't it a little too risky for you?
I mean, I can see that if you land at the target you describe (right above the knee) he's just going to go down, and stay down.
But... seriously, if he lifts the knee up and you end up hitting full force against a knee, I think you're just going to break your own leg.
DaBhaalspawn 1 year ago
dude, I feel sorry for whoever gets kicked like that by you, lol
C45TR1T1KR0N 1 year ago
This kick is great I started to do it 6 months ago and now I have the move down pat.
I do It on both legs, it really folds the heavy bag.
clearcombat 1 year ago
Dropping your hands is a no. no. His kicks are great, but you can tell he needs to box more often. If he did there would no negative write ups. I am a lover of combat and teach it privately, just put the hands up, everything else you is spot on.
clearcombat 1 year ago
Reminds me of the Bas Rutten kick
hxcmexi 1 year ago
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chineseporcupine 1 year ago
Fuck hell dude, your kicks are freaky hard. You don't appear very intimidating, but once you start delivering strikes... damn, your opponent is gonna be surprised.
TYKKETYKKE 1 year ago 2
i know what you're trying to do there but the way you do it on the bag will get you knocked the fuck out so either try to lean to the side more to evade jabs at least or stop teaching it wrong to the people...and don't take that as offense, take it as advice!
iLuvHardStyle 1 year ago
okay since you know so much plz make a video showing how its done koz i think this video is pretty darn effective. Id like to see your version of it.
MrMoPie 1 year ago
i dont need to make video to show anything to anyone..actually i can tell you from this video what he did wrong..check the first kick on 0:58 and then check those 3 kicks that follow..the first kick was the only one that was good and the only one where he acutally leaned to the side..leaning is the most important thing in learning proper low kicks, any muay thai master will tell you that..i've got a friend who got ko'd that way cus he didnt lean..well he did but forward instead of side lol..
iLuvHardStyle 1 year ago
Both concepts work. just keep your hands up to protect your face. Also, knockouts via jab are extremely rare in boxing or MMA.
An arguement could be made against anything though. I could argue that steping on a 45 before each round kick telagraphs the move and leaves you open for a knockout via left hook (an actual proven knockout blow).
The point is there is absolutely no way of attacking with any technique that wont in some way leave you open to a counter attack.
TheRealParagon 1 year ago
I love that kick I use it all the time>
ellis900 1 year ago
good luck dipping that low...
espcialy after you'v done it a few times the guys just gnna counter your open face..
Moderm101 1 year ago
The drive of the kick comes in at a 45 degree angle, and its not meant for sport where you're squaring off with an opponent. Its meant to help you get inside while striking and preventing you from ending up directly in front of an attacker. And you don't dip, you drop your weight. You land a few of those and you won't have to worry about a heavy counter attack.
whotookdonnierules 1 year ago 5
@whotookdonnierules I agree with this. It's a finisher, designed to take the leg out. In a battlefield situation, there's not so much worrying about counter attacks. Only how to end the fight as quickly as possible.
landgabriel 1 year ago
@whotookdonnierules you land ONE of those and you won't have to worry about a counter attach lol.
salvationwar 1 year ago
@Moderm101 That kick is very difficult to counter. You can't strike at his face without exposing your leg to an extremely painful kick. My preferred way of dealing with Muay Thai low kicks is to move out the way: safest.
Defiant1901 1 year ago
@Defiant1901 LMAO.. not its not... simpley check the kick, land with ur weight on your foot and follow through with a right hand or left hook depending on which leg he kicked with and which leg you checked with... easy.
Moderm101 1 year ago
@Moderm101 easier said than done. In a muay thai kick, you right hand (side I strike with) is lifted up to deflect round hooks. Also, the step before hand moves you out of his striking line. Oh, and if you check the kick, by the time you have a striking stance your opponent will have had a chance to move back into a guard stance.
Defiant1901 1 year ago
@Moderm101 dude. I practice karate and I have such a difficult time getting through to my colleagues that the MMA stuff is powerful but could get a person killed in a real situation. What I see here is perfect for multiple attack and self defense situation... the real purpose of training for the average joe.
jjhaywood 1 year ago
the reason for the step in is for force . and drive. if you push him with timing he will fall its unstable.
ohcomeon777 1 year ago
JESUS CHRIST!
Calebmoyer 2 years ago
I think muay baron will make a strong come back. It has impressed me. I have worked on this power shin kick myself now for one year after viewing. In the beginning it is awkward, but once you throw the kick with a twist shin movement. After the kick you can finish an attacker with a judo throw, then walk home.
clearcombat 2 years ago
Samart or Saenchai would never use a kick like this. Its way to wide!
GraceunderPressure14 2 years ago
i aint a professional by no means...you say his kick is wide but in say a street fight i dont think many people would have time before that kick took there knee out etc..
crazddrifterr 2 years ago
those are some devastating kicks.
hxcmexi 2 years ago
the way he throw his kick is beautiful
bboy5ky 2 years ago
good kick, if you pause it where he kicks you see hes not hitting the shin but the side of the knee, theres a nerve there that makes the leg go limp(ive had it done to me before lol)
i dont know if that was ment to happen but hey it worked
jsfdude 2 years ago
He is throwing an old skool style roundhouse. one of my instructors is old school and teaches both traditional and military. Remember Muay Thai was used in war and was taught and used to cripple.
GotThaiJitsu 2 years ago
Exactly. The sport/ring style muay thai kick is actually a watered down version of the older, combat technique. It's meant to break the knee - if that mentality was brought into the sport, most fighters would have careers lasting 3 - 7 fights. All ring/competition martial arts (MMA included) are dilluted versions. Fighters, managers, promoters make more money if their fighters last longer. Therefore, the dirty stuff is taken out of most MA training. Thx for the insight GotThiaJitsu.
whotookdonnierules 2 years ago
Man your awesome , i practice muay thai and i absolutely love lerdit much more , because its the more perfect version of muay thai for self defence ,anyway plz plz plz keep posting videos ,we dont see a coach who teaches side moves for self defence everyday =D , thanks again , subscribed
punkdude1994 2 years ago
yeah i'm learning the same old military style kicks from my teacher, so much better to learn the proper technique, it is after all muay thai, all practitioners should be learning the proper style.
thanks for the vid btw.
jackbackjack9 1 year ago
@whotookdonnierules Yeah, ring muay thai is basically a sport of attrition. Designed to inflict pain but not to cripple.
landgabriel 1 year ago
@whotookdonnierules Absolutely. the Thai Had to water it down a bit to make it into sport for everybody. And thats why we see Great Thai boxers like Ramon Dekkers and Samart Payakaroon and Buakaw with records like 51-12-2 or 74-16-2. otherwise we WOULDNT see Fighters like Buakaw in the game. How many border fights against the Burmese could they handle, and how long could someone endure years and years of non stop nasty injuries?
Gaffhart77 1 year ago
@whotookdonnierules it isnt watered down ,the legal targets just change.MMA certainly isnt watered down,the rules are less open than vale tudo but the fighters and techniques are twice as skilled.Techs that cant be sparred are never reliable under stress.
billysue2 1 year ago
@whotookdonnierules is it better for these kicks to use the uppe part of the calves because i use where my foot and leg connect as like a wreckingball i guss u could say, but i see you moving the bag like crazy kinda looks like your lower knee?
6ftUnder92592 1 year ago
rude
JediJudas 2 years ago
Donnie, If a martial art is taught to the civilians as a means of survival, then to the military and finally to sport fighters....you got yourself one hell of a system. I think Krav Maga is the next to go sport and maybe JKD. What do you think.
clearcombat 2 years ago
Yeah, I see the benefit in this. Something to add to the leg kick toolbox. Less telegrahped. I agree with clearcombat, faint a one two first, which will protect with the left hand and generate more twist speed and power as you pull it back, then bring the right more accross the face(not the chest) while finishing. Throw at minimum a one or two punch combo immediately as you start bringing the kick back then circle out, never go strait back.
BDub2176 2 years ago
I do low kicks on a bag similar to what you're kicking...my only problem is that whenever i kick, my pinky toe gets hurt in the process. Am I over rotating my leg when I kick or something? Any tips you got?
AaronCutter 2 years ago
@AaronCutter whenever i did low kicks, my point of impact was on the "tibia" (dont know the english name, i reckon its Shinbone)... Take a closer look to his lowkick and youll see that he doesnt use his foot to strike, but his tibia bone
The kicks have shorter range but are way stronger.
feanor22 2 years ago
that didnt really seem pro. and its not so smart to kick so low becouse shin to shin is gonna hurt for u too.. u gotta go higher for the thies
Parspilot89 2 years ago
I wish I could kick like that
PingPong700 2 years ago
is not that hard
sandow1000 2 years ago
His kick is great, but his head is to forward and his hands are down. Should throw a quick one, two punch combo after the kick just in case it is blocked.
clearcombat 2 years ago
i cant tell you that if he kicked me like that my legs would snap and ill be crying
tekkentekken 2 years ago
at my muay thai gym iv been taught to step into the kick, with the step i place my ankle rotated 90* then when i kick i rotate it so its facing my opponent
is this bad or good ????
duftube001 2 years ago
It isn't that what you've been taught is good or bad, it's just different from how I've been trained to throw round kicks. What you've learned is how almost all ring style thai boxing schools/camps teach kicks. I've been taught, and teach older military styles of muay thai. The purpose of my kicks aren't to score points or weaken the leg, they're meant to incompacitate. My kicks generate more power in the context of street/combat fighting.
whotookdonnierules 2 years ago
awesome kick! very fluid
shinoobi626 2 years ago
very powerfull kicks..i ve learn how do it before..but u have to be carefull if somebody block that kick with his knee u gonna break your leg ahaha for real
1789crazy 2 years ago
i think i broke a bone in my left foot cuz this guy blocked it with his elbow...
he blocked my mid shot during sparring lol and even with shin guards the bone is slightly misplaced.
mysticnamja 2 years ago
It seems to be delivered smoother too...
gkdrummerboy 2 years ago
I learned it without the step also. I've tried to take the step but it just doesn't feel as fluid to me.
talon115 2 years ago
i don't do the step either when i do ring style kicks, donnie is right about losing rotation but also, if you're up against a good thai boxer (or someone on the street who pays close attention) then stepping out like that can give away your attack. and thus making it easily countered
CHchinaman 2 years ago
Watch Ramon Dekkers if you want to see a similar kick - He has some awesome leg kicks that spin people around, buckle people's legs and you can see the instant pain in his opponents faces. Dekkers was a devastating fighter.
iApna 2 years ago
Funny you say that...Ramon Dekkers is in my opinion, the best modern muay thai fighter - more so than Diesel Noi. Dekkers' aggression was unparalleled.
whotookdonnierules 2 years ago
Ramon Dekkers has never won a Lumpinee or Rajadamern title. He may have been one of the best foreign nak muay, but best nak muay is silly.
snubnoze707 2 years ago
Do you know that Muay Thai kicks are the most powerful? :)
SinclairCeltics1990 2 years ago 2
and the knees, don't forget the clinch!
CHchinaman 2 years ago
good power, like the way ur sitting int those
81CCCP90 2 years ago
Man those are some seriously devastating kicks. I can only imagine the damage that would do to the oponents legs, let alone the rib cage. The school I went to teaches the step-in version of this kick and I never understood this concept since it feels a bit cumbersome to perform and I found that I was able to generate a lot more power when doing the pivoting version. Thanks for corroborating this. Great vid.
AntonioE07 2 years ago 4
@AntonioE07 any pivotting action is automatically less powerful as the friction with the ground puts the brakes on the hip rotation.The sidestep pre rotates the hip without friction.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 ahh but side-stepping makes the kick incredibly slow mate, and pretty easy to read, though I do get your point.
salvationwar 1 year ago
You really whipped that bag. nice work
Hazn 2 years ago
Lol, the bag had a memory spot on where you kicked it oO
mekewl2 2 years ago
like your cut kicks
baleheads 2 years ago
I have a question.. am I right to say you are twisting your hips while your right leg is in mid air? And your kick lands right when your right foot touches the ground?
ninjaboy1984 2 years ago
I'm pivoting with my post foot while I turn my throwing hip over (transition from the Captain Morgan stance to the actual strike). Ideally, your post leg foot does not leave the ground, in fact, the more you can sink your weight, the harder the kick - more torque.
whotookdonnierules 2 years ago
Just a question.....am I right to say you're twisting your hip while your right foot is in mid air? And then your left kick contacts right when your right foot lands?
ninjaboy1984 2 years ago
honest to god, i went to tmt in phuket, and ur kicks are the fuckin shit. serious, always good to see real knowledge man....thanks!
jakebordes 2 years ago 2
Thank you Jake, ,means a lot to hear that. Training in Thailand doesn't necessarily mean you're learning the best tech. Thai camps are famous not holding back on teaching westerners master techniques and the older stuff.
whotookdonnierules 1 year ago
@whotookdonnierules The holding back from western culture is the reason a lot of fighters go to Holland to learn muay thai. It has easily some of the best in the world!
disenthral 1 year ago
@whotookdonnierules thats one amazing kick. would it be more conservative if you just aim the kick that low, instead of dipping the whole body. ?
alirizwan91 1 year ago
Thanks for this, Donnie. It's been so long since I've been at the Academy that I forgot about this essential component--I've been stepping before I kick for a while now. This drive makes all the difference in the world. Thanks again.
-Tom
twillbanks 2 years ago
holy shxt! i will never want to be kicked by you. you better come to k-1 someday.
shigetograppling 2 years ago
wow, great kicks. keep it up. Im learnin Mt soon. :)
womblewandering 2 years ago
I used to always pivot now I have alot more power on my rotation with that forward step.
deadmanwalking4632 2 years ago
Are you on a boat or something mate, I'm feeling sea sick.
bgpeters82 2 years ago
awesome.
1ToNJaB 2 years ago
thats stud muay thai right there.
xNHMETALx 2 years ago
Excuse me kuya donnie, do you still have more videos on how to do muay boran/old style muay thai?
I want to lean muay thai but cant join classes.I want to learn this kind of muay thai because as i see it. it is really effective.
:-)
ljc523 2 years ago
Thanks Donnie. I am a beginner and was using the straigh leg MMA technique before I saw your clip. But when I started the old school method you showed, my bag gets dented and the sheer force is amazing. I am sold!!! I will watch all you videos.
mwambao 2 years ago
im just wondering, even if you step, doesn't your hip kinda automatically make up for lost power since it'll have to sort of whip itself faster to make up for the extra twist you make with the first pivot?
juukame 2 years ago
Did you learn all this in Thailand?
zimonslot 2 years ago
Very cool, thank you!
slauterhaus 2 years ago
you should do your technic in slow mo so i would learn more easily the right angle of the foot and the hips. This is just to fast for learning...
great vid btw
bagelbynight 2 years ago
I don't claim to be a know it all, however I do want to say that the lil step forward you do can bring you in range, where as you may not be in range if you don't take the step. Ideally, a practioner could perform either the step round or the pivot round as needed. Just my personal observation for what it is worth. Good videos though, keep doing what u do.
daltonsbadboy 2 years ago
hey donnie do u kno of any gud muay thai skools in queens, new york i kno u prolly wudnt but i figured it wudnt hurt 2 ask
melgotswag 2 years ago
holy shit. That's a hell of a kick.
McDXI 2 years ago
hey, a white guy doing real muay thai! Wow!!!! I went through the same thing figuring out how much to step. If you step too much you lose rotation, but if you don't step you lose momentum and you can't close the distance. Perfect description donnie.
boxsterwelby 3 years ago
Amazing, I'm gonna watch all your videos now. You have a new subscriber.
KnuckledUp1982 3 years ago
nice legkicks, I coudn´t take too many of those.
wutangjhn 3 years ago
sounded like you were hitting a pole XD
bloodyclaws 3 years ago
thx, your vids really helping my thai training :D
kattslaktarn 3 years ago
thx for the vid man my kicks have been weak until i tryed this method now i can dent my punching bag
airborn619 3 years ago
Awesome! I'm glad it helped.