Gay Message to the Pope

[soccer1288]

He's right, he doesn't understand the comparison. Poor him :/

[IVH93]

If all people were gay we wouldn't have a society. But if all people were catholic priests we wouldn't have a society either...

[MrTons911]

who ever listens to this guy is a total idiot

[The3sixTEE]

You will go to he'll for being gay BUT why can't gay people be more like this guy instead of the annoying girly accent and dressing like women? They wouldn't be so annoying!

[wrestle1965]

Ratzi hates gays for having sex with adults.

[Ujames1978]

Yes, bigots and so forth will always try to claim that those things they hate are destructive and 'Evil.' After all, that is the very definition of 'Ideology;' to create the 'Ideal' by destroying all that which opposes it, especially if it's only by its existence. And looking at it this manner, the side topic of banning condoms and opposing female equality makes perfect sense to him. I, e, sex exists solely to create children and ALL women must be mothers.

[MsNewguy]

All I know is that I love God so much for creating me a Gay Man in His image. I Love being Gay. I am so blessed. I can't wait to get to heaven and hug him and thank him to his face for creating me this way. I have always been so proud to be a beacon with my other Gay brothers & Lesbian sisters who share this wonderful gift of our homosexuality. The Gays have so much to teach the rest of the world about love, acceptance, and the true meaning of Christian love. God Bless us all!

[killoffkili]

@yorkiemarillion u just contridicted yourself by saying that if its wrong for me to say that bout gays its wrong for u to say that bout priests and they do flaunt their sex every gay on tv talks about getting dick as a joke now this gay humour is all over the tv. My main problem is gays protesting against the pope on his visit to the uk very disrespectful he brings joy to millions of people and u chant outside a church cos u have a problem with his RELIGOUS VIEWS he dont go to your leather orgys

[killoffkili]

u have no right to attack the catholic church about their beliefs ,every religon sees being gay as a sin i dont see any gays protesting against muslims who will say it without being polite everybody attacks the catholic church cos their an easy target but go to middle east and u wud get hanged so stop being a bitch and be thankful u live in the west

[yorkiemarillion]

@killoffkili

I am perfectly happy to protest about the muslim treatment of gays - and have included the issue in a music video I made (Whatever is Wrong With You)

However, the catholic church has no right to tell me that I am less worthwhile than someone who is not gay. I have every right to equality and fair treatment.

[killoffkili]

@yorkiemarillion look theirs more gay shit on tv then religous stuff so stay away from the church and the catholic church does have a right to tell u that your wrong or their would be no such thing as freedom of speech u cant have i both ways, or maybee u do

[yorkiemarillion]

It is fine for them to say I am wrong - it is not acceptable for them to discriminate against me - I do not discriminate against them.

I also believe they should sort out the abuse from priests within the catholic church before they even consider telling non-religious people how they should live their lives.

[killoffkili]

@yorkiemarillion its became dangerous in this day and age because it has infected our tv screens,advertising ,fashion ,news,skools its been around since the begining of time but now is being celebrated for no reason but to kurupt peoples minds wen we aids epidemik started it made us discuss gays now its spreading like the same disease u created

[killoffkili]

@yorkiemarillion the abuse is propaganda made by the media who has always been against catholics i was in a care home ran by nuns who were strict but cared about us broken kids witch society didnt and they do that all over the world for catholics and non catholics but get no praise the media wud rather praise a bunch of gays who flaunt their crude sex jokes and this has become normal

[yorkiemarillion]

Of course there are good catholics - but there are many catholic priests who have abused children in their care.

There have been gay people, as you say, since the beginning of time - normally about 5% of society. This figure is pretty fixed - you cannot make someone gay with advertising or in school - people are born gay.

All society should do is support people who are gay, and allow them to be themselves.

I will criticise any religion that tries to stop this.

[killoffkili]

@yorkiemarillion their are many gays that abuse children in thier care and everywear u go gays are flaunting thier sexuality like its sumfing to be proud of your humour involves talking about how u lik taking dick many celebritys joke about being queer if u look back 10 years ago their wasnt this noncence now the western world has been infected with aids

[yorkiemarillion]

@killoffkili

It is wrong to suggest that many gays abuse children. Many straight people abuse children - this is nothing to do with being gay.

Gays do not flaunt their sexuality - no more than heterosexuals who enjoy holding hands on the street, or kissing after a romantic meal.

As for Aids - this disease is spread by unprotected sex (of all types), sharing needles and contaminated blood. It is not a 'gay' disease - however, many gays have suffered (as have many straight people).

[arbgln]

The pope is right!!! God bless him for speaking the truth, its nice to see that he is not afraid to proclaim the truth!!!!

[1996prince]

i hope the next pope is gay and has a science degree!!!

[Lavere2009]

Homosexuality has always been against Gods word and has been since the old testiment. The act of being gay is an act of selfishness in all its practices. The resources / opportunities that a gay couples reap or consume in a lifetime take away from a strait couples / families resources and yet produces no children. It is in that alone that it is dangerous to a society that has limited resources and wishes to continue to perpetuate the species.

[yorkiemarillion]

What a crazy argument. Gay men do not contribute to the ever expanding world population - which is the biggest drain on the planet's resources. Gay men do not only consume from society - they contribute - they are doctors, scientists, artists, charity workers etc.

The end point of your argument would say that anyone unable to have children is 'selfish' - be they sterile, gay or even just old.

The world is full of all kinds of wonderful people - not all of them need to have children.

[gringodeltoro1]

Christians are the anti-Christ of fun !

[osummuso]

Oh and btw, little known fact;

Pope Benedict is, himself, GAY!

Used to go on skiing holidays with his boyfriend.

Makes him something of a Hypocrite.

[spielme]

This guy is spot on. Calm , cool , entertaining

He really blows the shouting maniac homphobes out of the water

[kayaburning]

Gays are sick modern day manifestations of Soddom and Gomorra and will NOTsee the kingdom of God. Hormone imbalence may not be a choice, but being a sick little ass-blaster is!!!

[spielme]

Ha ha ha ur funny

[MsNewguy]

Don't knock it until you've had a huge, fat, throbbing cock slammed up you ass!!! In fact, I enjoy having my ass double fucked by 2 cocks while I'm swallowing the cum of the other 4 or five other cocks that I'm sucking. Think before you start spreading your hatred - I think being Gay is a gift from God! - Also, have you ever considered the fact the Jesus himself spent 99% of his time in the company of men. It's quite possible that our Savior was gay too.

[killoffkili]

that makes u a bitch

[MsNewguy]

Oh no no no no.... please my dear killoffkili.... if you don't mind, I prefer to be know as a "cock sucking-cum swallowing-getting my ass double fucked by 2 monster dicks-having my butt fisted" WHORE.

Please, PLEASE... if you're going to call me a name - please don't be so childish!..... get to the real meat of the issue!!! no pun intended ;-)

Remember.. until you've had a wonderful fat cock slammed in your ass - you really have no idea what you're missing.

And again, God Bless us all!!

[rahulpower]

we are worried about the population explosion....and the pope calls it a threat? bastard

[atheistlord666]

Read the God delusion by Richard Dawkins if you are being attacked by the bible bash parade

[Nilguiri]

Do they think that being gay damages the social fabric because you are not going to have kids?

I am straight and it doesn't look like I'm going to be having any kids any time soon - I guess we're in the same boat!

And what about celebate priests?

They are just dumbass homophobic bigots, that's the real reason.

[06whitec]

also Gays were gven upside down triangles which were pink NOT stars!

[06whitec]

I'm a gay Catholic and I think your views have been influenced by our media, I don't think ur stupid but the Church is showing you leadership the Pope actually said that gay sex should not be done, hes only repeatng Leviticus 18. Nazi era wtf?

[yorkiemarillion]

Oh well, if its in Leviticus, then it must be true - that's why I guess the pope never eats shellfish, wears mixed fabrics and believes in stoning people to death. LOL

[06whitec]

You obviuosly don't know the Bible very well. St Paul ahd a vsion that teh LORD had sent him and in that vision all the forbiddon animals were given in a cloth to him and that meant that human who loved their LORD could eat these animals. (its in acts). Also stoning people to death was and still is condemed by the Roman Catholic church see "Thou shalt not kill". which leads to being pro life and anti abortion.

[theblob34]

keep posting ignore this ignorant hate filled catholics here

[digitalproteus]

500 characters are not much, but here goes:

I have never told anyone they can't hold an opinion differing from mine, yet when I speak my mind, I am called a bigot.

If you want to bash Catholicism, learn about the religion itself. If you are bashing Catholics for their sins etc, you are a coward. All humans screw up, but that doesn't mean that religion itself if flawed.

When the Pope compared being gay to the rainforest, he was referring to the social fabric of the world, not anal leakage.

[yorkiemarillion]

I don't see how being gay damages the social fabric. I live with my partner, we love one another, we have lots of friends, and are soon to get a civil partnership. I am godfather to some of my friends' kids and they have no problem with 'Uncles Dave and Sam'. I work in science/education and play a full role educating the next generation. I give regularly to third world childrens charities, and collect for the cystic fibrosis trust. In what way am I damaging the social fabric of the world???

[digitalproteus]

yorkie,

Thanks for the polite response -- not used to it in this thread.

I'm not going to continue this thread. Not because I am backing down or because I think its all BS. Simply put, its near impossible to have an intelligent conversation here.

By the way, sexuality aside, it seems we have a few things in common. Keep being a good person. God bless.

[yorkiemarillion]

Perhaps I am damaging the social fabric because I choose to have sex with a consulting adult of the same sex. Maybe you personally dislike it, but it certainly does not damage the 'social fabric of the world'. The catholic church should worry less about telling adults what to do in the bedroom, and think more about leading by example (denying HIV protection? child-abusing catholic priests??). Honestly, if you cannot see how the church damages the 'social fabric', then you are very misguided.

[CardinalRatslinger]

The Pope is not only ignorant of science; his arguments depend on contradicting science. Homosexuality already occurs at a stable rate in the natural world. To say that it endangers the natural world contradicts this.

As for knowing about the "religion," I gave thirty years of my life to it and did study it. I got tired of being condemned every Christmas the way that Jews used to be condemned every Good Friday. Your Church has much to be ashamed of.

[Nilguiri]

digitalproteus.

What has either the rainforest or being gay got to do with "social fabric".

And as for religion being flawed, there is no need for humans to screw up to prove or disprove that.

You have been called a bigot not for speaking your mind, but for the opinions you express.

"anal leakage"? jeez!

[Nilguiri]

Well said my friend!

As far as I'm concerned, the pope is an irrelevant, homophobic fascist. Unfortunately, he has a lot of influence over millions of superstitious, gullible people unable to think for themselves who buy into his bigoted and totally illogical bullshit.

I am all for free speech, but this clown has gone too far and should be banned from entering civilized countries for trying to spread this homophobia and hate.

It's about time they elected a gay or lesbian atheist pope!

[digitalproteus]

I love how all you hippy turd muffins totally misinterpret any message given by the pope that does not suit your agenda. Your tolerance is interchangeable with apathy.

[HisRoyalRadgeness]

The pope and the catholic church are the ones with the agenda.

I think he made himself pretty clear and his message doesn't need any interpretation.

How would you interpret it then?

You lot seem to choose the bits of the bible you want to follow and the bits you decide to ignore.

If you are homophobic, you choose to follow all the homophobic bits.

Do you obey every dumbass thing it tells you?

God forbid you should mar the corners of thy beard, for example! (He does forbid it, by the way).

[digitalproteus]

You do not think that messages need a context. Don't take this as a huge personal insult, but if you don't interpret messages within a context, you will have many misunderstandings in life.

I would interpret the speech as a defense of the the little family fabric that we have left in this world of ours. Unconditional tolerance is a ticking bomb.

As per religion: its subjects are not a crystal reflection, because people make mistakes. People will find a way to mess up the most perfect idea.

[digitalproteus]

I just wanted to add that most of the people that I know that swear off religion do it because religious conscience is a burden in their lives.

So for those who at least try to live according to the ten commandments, they have actually and intentionally taken a step which will guide their good sense throughout life, even if they stray now and then (as we all do).

If you commit sins and think that you're alright because you're not part of a religion that forbids it, you're wrong.

[bobby472]

ok but what religion to we follow? there are how many. Also there are people from each religion saying that they speak to their god, or that their god is the only god. How do i know which one to follow?

[LeCanadienerrant]

Why do you have to follow any religion anyway ?

Can't you think for yourself ?

Any human being know what is right or wrong

You have a conscience just follow it and you'll be right

[bobby472]

oh dont worry. i will never in my life follow a religion. im happy without any god. i know right and wrong. i dont need help or guidence from an imgainary friend.  :-)

[LeCanadienerrant]

Bravo "Bobby472 ! You are the enlighten one

.......or may be from Out of space. Have you seen the movie "K-Pax" ? An olddy but

it explain very well this idea of No religion which I also completely agree with.

I consider you my new imaginary friend. Sign here and send your donation to:

[bobby472]

lol hey im not from space, well not that i know of. I have always wondered why i have 4 arms. hmmm maybe i am from space.

[LeCanadienerrant]

ah ah ah now I understand why people call me "Silly cow"

[bobby472]

lol well thats not too bad. ive been called "silly goose" now thats offensive. lol

[Nilguiri]

I have no "agenda". It's delightful how all you saintly religious bigots and fascist homophobes stick together like shit to a blanket!

I'm so glad that you love how we hippy turd muffins "misinterpret" any message from the pope. (very Christian of you, by the way!).

So, explain to me, what is there to interpret?

His message seemed very clear to me. Or maybe was it some mystical language with a deep, hidden meaning?

Please enlighten me - let's see what gem of wisdom you can come up with.

[wipeEmOut]

hello man, i know, he is full of shit... we gotta keep hammering him... i live in italy and i know how phoney these catholic leaders are. i appreciate the british, who detached themselves from the religion. i just hope we don't start goin backwards.

congratulations for the speech, perfect, rational, sensible!

derek.

[spinozasecology]

Right on mate! Not a hard argument to win, but you won it.

I think that that Catholic Church, like many churches, are in a spot where it's just too late to retract their dogmas. They can't just say "well, we're OK with birth control, gays, etc." They've already gotten heat over how much they've ceded in lieu of the second vatican council, so they can't give anything else up.

Really, really pathetic when you think about it.

[BoycottThePope]

thank you! well done!! :D boycott the pope!

[ImaginarySkyfriend]

The fact that the Catholic church and the Pope tell people in some of the poorest countries in the world not to use birth control, thus increasing people's misery by creating more mouths to feed, not to mention the spread of HIV, shows how questionable their moral authority really is. The sooner us humans unshackle ourselves from the ridiculousness of organized religion, the happier we'll all be.

[babab0y]

Any1 who agrees with the pope should go kill themselves. How dare he. Cos gays dont 'reproduce' the human race will die out. BULLSHIT! If it came to just a few people left, them im sure i would get a woman pregnant so she could have a baby, i dont have to have sex with her. And not just that, gay people adopt unwanted babies, how much trash is there in this world droppin kids every 5 mins and they dont even want them! how dare that old biggot. hope he dies and rids the world of his negativity!

[bluebottleblue]

very well done!

[bertitolino]

Very good! I like a man with brains :-)

[cosmicrayturbo]

Hang on I wa just thinking about your statistics. If I've got this wrong then you can kick me up the arse. But if 10% of every generation is gay then in 100 years time we would die out. I know thats not true it just occured to me when listening to your statistics.

[cosmicrayturbo]

To Yorkiemarillion.

The Pope can say whatever he wants whenever he wants at any time. It is irrelevent when he chooses to say it. Wether you agree with it or not is another matter. Mentioning his Nazi youth past was low by any standards. he was a child at the time and it was mandatory. Please dont quote scientific facts or statistics without providing proof.

[manners7250]

And where did he say all this rubbish? Here is the speech text. Stop relying on media distortions.

[yorkiemarillion]

Full text of pope:

'It is not an outdated metaphysics if the Church speaks of the nature of the human being as man and woman, and asks that this order of creation be respected... What is often expressed and understood by the term "gender" is ultimately resolved in the self-emancipation of man from creation and from the Creator... But this means living contrary to the truth, living contrary to the creator Spirit. Yes, the rainforests deserve our protection, but man deserves it no less...

[velocityeleven]

EVEN IF the world's population dies out because of homosexuality, then there is still no one person that would suffer because of this

[Shyeifan]

I apologize for all the comments but let me close with this last one. This is not an easy issue, if I am to stick by it surely I will not gain many friends for it, but sometimes there are more important things than that. The gay community may try to compare themselves to the civil rights movements of the past but this is not about voting or separate bathrooms, they are trying to destroy marriage. If you care about human rights then we must all do what we can to protect the unborn, who have none.

[yorkiemarillion]

'Your' lord might tell you all kinds of things. But he is not my lord, so why should I be forced to live according to his rules.

I believe that PEOPLE can come up with laws which are just and fair and moral. That is our challenge on this earth. It is not fair or moral to deny people equality, or refuse to properly recognise their love for one another.

Granting gay people the right to marry does not limit anybody else's rights to marry or have children how they want - I don't see the problem.

[yorkiemarillion]

I don't want to get married in a church. I am not trying to mock your god. I just believe that the state, which is not a religious organisation, should recognise my love, and values my relationship, in the same way it recognises anybody else's. I want to make that commitment to my partner - why should that not be allowed?

[ronmcgloin]

You are an idiot!

[Shyeifan]

I don't always think my sins can't hurt anyone else, but it does, either directly or out of negligence to act other wise. Don't you listen to YOUR opponents? They/we want to preserve the UNIQUENESS of marriage. It's unique, there is only one way to define it, not this, that and everything else. I wish the church could be less inconvenient but that's not going to happen. The gospel of our Lord has been revealed and we can only receive it, not deny it then go on and make up our own truths.

[Shyeifan]

...and they will continue to do so. Now if you want to stand by your so called homosexual genes then you can but nothing good can come out of it. I do not believe in gender blindness that marriage between a man and woman or two people of the same gender are indifferent from each other. It's not a Hollywood stereotype, misconception or intolerance that only man and a woman are allowed to marry, it's the truth and the only definition of marriage.

[Shyeifan]

Should you change "because God said so?" Yes, quite frankly. Our Lord also says to reject hatred, greed, lust and other evil things that only distance ourselves away from doing and recognizing good deeds. I'm sorry you can't just pick and choose what you can and can't believe. Now I'm not sure if you are Christian or not but the Church has done so much good in the world, more so than anyone else. They have had a stance from the beginning of our history against homosexuality....

[Shyeifan]

Sorry, that RogerStaubach is my brother's account so just letting you know that was me. To continue what I was saying how do we know what is good and what is evil? Well we can't make it, only God can, but we can differentiate it. And the way we can tell the difference is looking at the fruit. Whatever is good bears good fruit and all of God's virtues has a clear, visible fruit. Marriage is built on love, yes but children are the visible fruit of that virtue. There is no fruit in gay marriage.

[yorkiemarillion]

Gay marriage has many virtues - it provides loving couples with security and rights, it allows them to demonstrate their love to friends and family, and to show that they will support one another in a special way for the rest of their life.

Do you really believe people only get married to have children? Would you stop people over the age of 50 from getting married - after all, they can't 'bear fruit'.

The fact that gay people cannot have children does not make gay marriage morally wrong.

[RogerStaubach721]

People are going to act violent towards homosexuals regardless of what the pope says. But sensible believers of the faith treat all brothers and sisters of Christ with compassion. That is one of our main teachings and missions, to love the sinners for God loves each and every one of us, who are sinners ourselves. Homosexuality is to be condemned but not the person. Hate the sin not the sinner.

[yorkiemarillion]

If you condemn homosexuality then you condemn me. It is a part of who I am.

I am sorry, but to say you condemn the sin but love the sinner is just a moral escape clause. I cannot change how I am - and why should I? Because 'God' said so?

Homosexuality causes no harm, and is nobody else's business except for those involved - so why, in purely moral terms, should it be considered a 'sin'?

[Shyeifan]

Exactly, Christmas is about family. I'm sorry the Church doesn't feel the way you do but she has the moral obligation to bring the faith to the world. Encouraging homosexuality is contrary to that mission as it denounces the definition and purpose of marriage. The family is essentially the foundation of this world. To damage this great pillar will scar this world, whether it's physical or spiritual. We may all struggle with this issue, but it is going too far to encourage it as good.

[yorkiemarillion]

It is wrong to say homosexuality damages the family. How does me being gay, or even wanting to 'marry' my partner, damage anybody else's family?? It doesn't.

You say it is going too far to encourage homosexuality as 'good'. In fact, the pope was equating homosexuality as a moral evil - that is irresponsible as it leads people to find it acceptable to be violent and discriminatory towards homosexuals.

[anglicansag]

Beautiful arguments clearly conveyed.

The Vatican got around to admitting that Galileo was correct- the Earth DOES in fact revolve around the Sun- during the Pontificate of John Paul II. So let's not hold our breath waiting for your arguments to move the Pope.

[EuropeanCannon]

"Between about 5 and 10% of the human race are either gay, or have strong homosexual feelings"*

*This statistic may be misleading. Some of the human race included in it as gay might simply have strong homosexual feelings, and some included as having strong homosexual feelings might simply be gay.

[yorkiemarillion]

The statistic is quite clearly stated. Many people say 7-8% of the population is gay. However, that figure is disputed, as the actual survey question asked was - 'have you ever commmitted a homosexual act.'

Most surveys that ask the question just about whether people are gay come back with a figure of 4-5% of the population. However, there are people who have strong homosexual urges/actions yet do not identify as gay.

Irrespective there are hundreds of millions of 'gay' people in the world.

[AkatsukixBlood]

You have proof of this? Pray tell.

[socalledniceguy]

I sent an e-mail to the pope haha i hope i dnt get in trouble =\ oh well fuck the people that hate us. without homosexuality there would be no balance in the world if everyone was straight there would be a lack of resources in the world!

[SelfImmolator]

It really annoys me that the media report this by saying that "gay/lesbian groups are angry about the pope saying..."

That is like hearing "black groups are angry about the KKK's recent message".

We should all be outraged by the stupid scumbags who think homosexuality is a sin.

You can NEVER be angry enough at messages like the Pope's recent one. Don't you dare go soft in the face of bigotry. Future generations will call you on it.

[EvilEuropean]

Agreed. I wish someone would really explain HOW and why being gay is as big a threat to humanity as rain forest destruction, climate change, etc.

It only makes sense in the traditional scapegoating of gays and lesbians by "religious leaders". it must be galling for them for the strides that have been taken in parts of the world towards gay rights.

[mishakailana]

its not, fact is the Religous right wing likes using Sadom and Gamorha as examples of Sodomy, promoting it as being wrong. Problem is those stories arent about Sodomy, they are about rape, using sex on people deemed weaker then the rapist. using sex to prove your superior to outsiders, a common enough practice 2000 years ago. Homosexuality didnt get written into the bible until the 11th-13th century, there is not one biblical theologist who can refute that fact.

[socalledniceguy]

I am with you!! Without us people the world would be over populated too! i mean if we were all straight we'd have too many babies therefore many more dying. Then us gays can adopt children and save them and if god never wanted us then why make us!! I so agree with you and we need to fight the power!!!!!!!!!

[krisisagemini]

Oh look! Another crazy :)

[millionsmillions]

Woohoo!!! I think you're just awesome!!! I wish gays weren't so discriminated against. It sucks. I always stand up for gays and everyone else should too.

[fctchk]

The Roman Catholic Church - the longest running scam ever perpetrated on the world -brings these sayings to mind:

There's a fool born every minute.

A fool always finds a greater fool to admire him.

The fool needs company, the wise solitude.

If one billion people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.

Fools rush in where fools have been before.

[schneider1969]

I totally agree with you and in parts with the pope, if homosexuals are a threat to the humankind we should start eliminatin them by the Vatican where 99.9% of the cleric are homosexuals hiding themselves behind the celibacy. If they disappear maybe the world would be free from the catholic church ignorance which stops human race evolution.

[ikinmoore]

The Pope is an evil old man. He gets his flock to breed like rabbits (he doesn't believe in family planning or condoms) and then there is over population that is the cause of climate change. He is just a wanker !

[AdonisRouse]

he worked with hitler

[sjnath]

well said!!! praising a living being is WRONG first all. And it happens to be NAZI WTF!!!

Who is he or anyone for that matter to judge. I don't walk around that it's wrong for being catholic or christian!! If we learned to except our neighbours for who and what they are this world just might be a better place for the next generation.

Happy Holidays to you all from Vancouver, Canada.

[dosperes]

Some animals occasionally engage in homosexual acts.. Does that justify human discipline and a strength to end our obsession with bodily desire...walk in the spirit or the body. If you have ears listen up.. the choice is ours, each of ours..,

[daydream1900]

catholics doing what they do best! spreading hatred and causing trouble merry xmas!

[Paranormal999]

The Pope is just so vile and so wrong he needs to stop talking stop thinking and stop breathing, what he has said is a go button for more hate crimes, so if you find that gay attacks go up in your community send the information to the pope and tell him that he has blood on his hands AGAIN.

This does remind me of the stories of how the Nazi party made the Jews a target for killing, very subtle at first then it became constant until the round ups.

A truly evil pope in my mind.

[zezt]

This Nazi pops is one of a long line of hideous vile immoral slimy Popes that go all way back to Pope 1. The fact that millions of people hang on the words of idiots such as he is ...well too sad. But great video. INFINITELY more intelligent and caring than the Pope's evil spewings

[AlpineMozart]

Yorkiemarillion,

all those that accept the Bible as God's word know that homosexuality is sinful. Please provide me some strong scientific proofs that homosexuals are born this way.

[PigSheep2008]

AlpineMozart: As you already know, being gay is not a choice (or you'd have that same choice). I don't think YouTube lets people post links, but I'm sure you'll find lots of research if you Google it. The bible was written by man, not by God. How many people did God kill in the bible (and you're worried about gays in a loving relationship). It's all crap, watch the "George Carlin - Religion is bullshit" video on this site. He gives religion all the respect it deserves.

[SelfImmolator]

"Yorkiemarillion,

all those that accept the Bible as God's word know that homosexuality is sinful. Please provide me some strong scientific proofs that homosexuals are born this way."

Hey shitface, I'll give you the links as soon as you give me the "scientific proofs" that any God exists.

[mishakailana]

you really need to read your bible and stop quoting priests who have chosen to write their opinions. Read an older bible hun, and when it comes to gender know that God accepts everyone, as I happen to be intersexed I understand and accept what is written in Mathew and Acts II 7-32 on euniches, and understand that God accepts and has our place at his side because we were born of the mothers womb that way, for trans read Luke. Quit trusting the religous zealots who preach hate and bigotry.

[SelfImmolator]

mishalailana, there is no evidence for ANY of your wacky spiritual beliefs. No evidence that the bible is the word of 'god'. No evidence for any 'god'. That's not the issue. The issue is that hundreds of millions of people do believe in the bigoted 'catholicism'.

I'd welcome you on our side in the fight against the idiots who DO think homosexuality is a sin. But please understand how weak your statement that 'actually god accepts homosexuality' sounds for those of us who don't believe in god.

[mishakailana]

hey now, that is not my fault you have no faith in God or a God. Perhaps you put more faith in yourself and your actions. There is nothing wrong with that at all Selfmmolator. My only problem with the Religous right wing is that they only accept their personal beliefs and reject all others. I am not that nieve or conceited to believe that I am always right or that I know what is best for everyone else. What I do know is that the God I love, loves everyone. My God hates no-one.

[SelfImmolator]

"hey now, that is not my fault you have no faith in God or a God. Perhaps you put more faith in yourself and your actions."

mishakailana, I don't need to have 'faith' in myself and my actions. The existence of myself and the existence of my actions are indisputable... I definitely exist and so do my actions. You only need 'faith' and blind belief for things that there's no evidence for. Stuff like zombies, wizards, gods, monsters etc.

[lukedp2000]

To portray faith and reason as at odds with each other is a total nonsense. If you actually lived your life by that maxim, you wouldn't have much time.

Consider the following exchange:

"Hi"

"Hello there"

"I've just been to the shops"

"I don't have any faith in that and have chosen to conduct all my exchanges using nothing but brutal empirical logic - I need to see the evidence" - miserable existence.

If you think you don't need faith mate, you're living in a dream world.

[SelfImmolator]

lukedp2000,

If someone says they've been to the shops, I've got no reason to doubt them. It's not faith, there's loads of evidence of shops. If there was evidence of a god then I might not doubt when someone says they communicated with it.

Until then, if someone says they believe in an entity that can part oceans, resurrect the dead then I have DAMN good reason to doubt them. There is no known evidence of any entity that can do those things and it is only blind faith that keeps the idea alive.

[EuropeanCannon]

You should read it too, now and again, maybe brush up on the spelling. Where are Sadom & Gamorha, exactly?

And I'm guessing you're talking about eunuchs? Is that what 'euniches' might be?

'In the beginning was the word. I can't remember how you spell it.'

[mishakailana]

is oks, and I do read the Bible from time to time. My apologies about miss-spelling and such, generally I don't worry about typo's. Gramatical errors while not accurate are close enough for most people to understand what I mean. And yes Euniche's, what the bible refers to as men who were born of their mothers womb, ie without testes, those are intersexed men and women. Though their is no reference in the Bible to women being Euniche's. Fact is many Euniche men were infact women. Born intersexed.

[mishakailana]

Also in Mathew is the fact that God accepted men who castrated themselves or were castrated by others. I Do Believe if Transsexual reassignment surgery existed 2,000 years ago then Transsexuals would of also been written of and accepted. See my belief what I do read and understand of the Bible is that God knows all of us and knows what is in our hearts. And no one has the right to claim that they know better then another man or woman of what is acceptable or unacceptable to God. God knows us.

[mishakailana]

The only issue I see about homosexuality being a sin, is that those thoughts and phrases are made by men, not god. Those opinions are not based in fact, if any one bothers to care to read the bible then please do so. The only sin I see is the use of forcing ones own will upon the will of another person. Any act perpetuated against another, without that persons consent that causes harm, death, theft, or whatever else is a sin. That is just how simple it is to determine right from wrong. Love

[jehnubis]

Im not gay, but fuk these Christian and Muslim leaders for hatin gays. They need to leave you guys alone!

[Jibjub80]

Merry Christmas, Yorkiemarillion.

[Jibjub80]

Hey, Yorkiemarillion. Thanks for this message. It is right on target, and I agree with you 110%.  The pope should be ashamed of what he is doing. This is the reason I joined the Episcopal church.

[lukedp2000]

Thanks for this video.

You don't understand the Catholic Church at all. In future ask yourself a couple of questions when trying to analyse her teaching:

1: For Catholics, what is the meaning of life?

2: Why is apostolic teaching so important, and how did it develop?

3: Why is it that the Church consistently has spoken against homosexual BEHAVIOUR?

This might shed light. Then ask yourself: who made tolerance the only moral absolute.

Then you'll get somewhere instead of this ignorant polemic.

[EuropeanCannon]

Genius. The couple of questions we should ask ourselves? You know you asked three of them? Four if you include the one you forgot the question mark for?

Hope this has shed light.

Oh, and both of your four questions are fucking stupid. Why don't you "get somewhere instead of this ignorant polemic", and give us all fucking peace.We are BUSY, with GROWN UP stuff just now. Fucking tourist. Lend yer hand or get OUT OF THE FUCKING ROAD.

[digitalproteus]

Finally, someone who has a head on their shoulders. Well put. Those who want to understand will actually think about this post. The rest don't want to know and are going to keep spouting their new-found 'anything goes' attitude.

[pougate]

Thank you digitalproteus. It is refreshing to read YouTube posts from someone who has things in perspective.

[tomandi1]

i think that the pope is absoulutly appauling and should sit back and take a look at some of the sinfull things that go on within the catholic church. take a look back over the years and see the amount of child abuse cases carried out by priests. for fuck sake its xmas and yet this bitter old senile asshole has no festive cheer what so ever.

[fudge867]

the pope doesn't know what he's talking about. Ignorant bastard

[lochness11]

When I first heard Benedict's words this came immediately to mind. First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[lochness11]

Words of moderation.Thanks for this,in a world where,"Loose Words Cost Lives".

[phil8888]

Good job for the Pope. The family is the place where children are raised and this unit must be protected in our society. Too much effort has been put into destroying marriage and diluting it. People suffer when this happens. The pope says society will grow when we understand sexuality. We haven't understood sexuality properly and this has contributed to AIDS, other STDs, divorce, pornography addiction, etc. What the pope is saying is what all enlightened people understand.

[krisisagemini]

The pope is ignorant... aren't most of his male followers the ones that are constantly fondling young boys? :)

[AkatsukixBlood]

lmao, yeah, lets all blame gays for pornography addiction, because blatantly no straight guys are addicted to it. I don't actually get how you arrived at that point.

[smudge6699]

He's trying to divert attention away from their own paedophilia which is of epidemic proportions.

He's essentially stood up and said,

"Right, I want all the followers to hate this group of people over here."

It has been scientifically established that every mammalian species exhibits same sex activity in both sexes at between 7% - 16% depending on the species.

The Vatican is also a private bank, worth remembering at this time in our history.

[iced327]

Amen. The pope is a loon.

[atheistlord666]

I could not agree with you more but large families, AIDS etc are caused by many different factors. I do despise the church's homophobic attitudes and I am in a way glad that the power of the church is ebbing away. 200 years ago, the church used christianity as an excuse for the slave trade as coloured people were somehow inferior. Think about that for a moment.

[smudge6699]

It still is in a more subtle way.

[phllipyork]

Thats for that - a sensible argument... Cheers!

[LightOfLife24]

didnt one of the priest from the Vatican make a speech in Australia incuding saying sorry for the behaver of some of there priest towards children!. correct me if im wrong but i do belive im right 100% infact.cool vid thank you .

[SelfImmolator]

Pope 'fascist scumbag' Benedict has succeeded in making me hate anyone who from now on declares themselves "Catholic". It is as unforgivable as being racist.

[websmith]

So... you say he's as bad as a racist, then go on to say that you hate ALL Catholics, based on just his statements? How does that make you better? I was raised Catholic, and I find his statement appalling. Do you hate me too?

[SelfImmolator]

websmith, pay attention. I said I hate anyone who from now on declares themselves "Catholic". You only said you were "raised Catholic".

Claiming beliefs are 'religious' rather than 'political' should NOT give people immunity from sensible assessment. The Catholic ideology, as it clearly stands today, is ignorant and immoral.

If papal infallibility is not part of Catholicism then please correct me.

[TheMediocreAtheist]

The Pope is a fool. Don't give any press to his dying church!

[manners7250]

Thats funny - the latest stats identify the church as growing rapidly. 1.2 billion Catholic can't all be fools.

[yorkiemarillion]

I agree - not all catholics can be fools - but their leader can be a homophobic, misogynistic, old-fashioned bigot.

[Duran290]

Those attributes can pertain to virtually anyone... straight, gay, religious or not -- The Pope is just upholding the teachings of Jesus; what he happens to believes in. The same goes for the Church's stand on contraceptives.

Needless to say, we all have a free-will and say in the decisions we make. Thankfully you have the right to choose what suites you.

[ronmcgloin]

Yes they can, them 1.2 billion Catholics are all idiots and so are all the Muslims, Jews, Christians........ Religion is a curse to humanity, spirituality is our salvation.