the "question/debate" is NOT whether "god" exists. this in immature human drivel. THEE question is... what's your definition of "god". If your definition is... "god is infinite knowledge and pure energy"... then fine! "god" exists". If your definition is "god" is an old white man that lives up in the clouds... weeeeell...
@EricBochene "immature human drivel" hmm? Redefining the word "god" to mean "infinite knowledge and pure energy" is the worst drivel I know. For words to not become meaningless we need to agree on definitions. In this case, when most people use the word god they mean an intelligent creative being that created the universe. So let's keep it at that. We already have words for knowledge and energy, they're "knowinger" and "energy".
Before I get into a debate about whether God exists, I ask my oppenent how old the earth is. If they say 6000 years, I get up, and slowly back out of the room.
@gangstamind187 basically what they finding now is more universes -_- What if there are more big bang than just one ? A space and time paradox , with matter emerging out of it somehow , This seems so weird right ? But the truth is Space , time ,matter , life , probably nothing really exists ...
Donkey Kong and Pac man demand evidence that YOU exist. Now what? Sure I'll give you a few to start, pixalization of the Universe, DNA(Which Atheists refer to as a "code"), snowflakes, I have no tail or fur, And on and on
i think you have the wrong idea of what a troll is, because he is obviously a (albeit persistent) cynic. to reconcile:
troll = ignorant/stupid
cynic = humorous
you may want to check out the invisible pink unicorn, pastafarianism, intelligent falling or the like if the concept of mocking humour is alien to you.
@Ensiferu A troll is someone who's goal is to illicit an emotional response from others or to waste their time with no genuine interest in the conversation. That person clearly exhibited symptoms of that illness. So I suspect that it's you who has the wrong idea of what a troll is based on your protest of my labeling of him as a troll.
@Mossinator5000Deluxe TO tell you the truth ,God , if he's like humans , will be bored all alone , And there's no point in god existing really , Think about how big this universe this , In fact there will be millions of other aliens in the universe .
Even star wars can exist , but it will be even more , or even better technology than we thought in star wars ,A guy once told me "WE ARE GOD" I asked why ?
He said cause we have the capability to change our surroundings and our universe.
@Mossinator5000Deluxe There is no god , There can't be , Atleast if god is there , He will no sex , he will be alone always , he will no feelings , no morals , nothing , those come from intelligence , Intelligence also gives rise to feelings , How can god love us then if he has no feelings ? Doesn't he ever feel alone ? What form is he ? a soul ? outside of matter ? 96 % of the universe is outside matter , you know :D but its presence is felt and its effect it recognized.
@Mossinator5000Deluxe now , If a thing lies outside the domain of science itself and its effect is in no way felt on the universe or universes , The universes and the paradox of time and space will collapse , thats how it is . Their will be millions or billions of other planets with life in the universe, we are not alone. Think that
@Mossinator5000Deluxe Sure. I've considered that. But it's no better than postulating that I'm the programmer and I just wrote this video game to entertain myself, and it's more fun if I don't know it's a game. There is an infinite number of ideas like this that COULD be true, but as ever, if you want to get at the truth the only thing that matters is how good the supporting evidence is. There's none for god.
Here's some evidence: they claim Jesus walked on water, healed the blind, the lame, the deaf, and the dumb, he commanded storms at his voice, he turned water into wine, he raised the dead, and he himself raised from the dead, then he ascended into the sky. Then they wrote it down for you. You believe George Washington existed right? Why? Because books say he was our first President. You never met him or saw him. ;-)
@Mossinator5000Deluxe Lots of separate historians working independently wrote about George Washington at the time of his life. With Jesus, the first tangible mention of him was not written for decades after his death. And even if he had existed, and there were accounts of Jesus' life, that's in no way evidence for anything supernatural.
Here is evidence from the other side: golden chariots found at the bottom of the Red Sea, the discoveries thought to be Noah's Ark, the area where the Bible says Sodom was is full of sulfer and is a wasteland, and Bible prophecies about the Earth in the future coming true.
@Mossinator5000Deluxe When you start with a conclusion and work backward to find the evidence, you'll always be successful. That's how bad science works. There were lots of chariots, there were lots of boats, there are lots of old cities that are now ruined. That's in no way evidence for anything supernatural.
You believe in scientific evidence brought forth by the scientific community. That would mean you believe in 80 foot humans and aliens have visited Earth.
The massive evidence is in common sense. Either God created our reality or in infinite space and time it evolved and evolved until it created him, but there's no mathematical way around there being a god.
I think God exists outside of the universe much like a programmer. People play Sim City but are not subject to its laws because they are outside the Sim City reality. Dawkins, much like very religious people, won't accept that idea. Why? Because he Doesnt want God to exist.
@Mossinator5000Deluxe You can make that argument for anything that doesn't exist. It's not convincing. The reason there's no evidence for unicorns is that they exist outside of space and time.
I like the theories agnostics and atheiests come up with. They are very wild ideas. The fact is no matter what you believe, you take it on faith, because the answer wouldn't be believable no matter what it is.
His answer wasn't convincing at all. God DOES exist outside the constraints of time, space and matter. Therefore, he is omnipresent, immaterial and the Alpha and Omega.
@lotr450 That's a cheap trick to explain away the fact that there's no evidence for god, and to justify believing anyway. But you can do that for anything. Unicorns exist outside of time and space and matter.
Suppose there is an equipment or a machinery which no one in the world has ever seen before. If it's brought in front of you, who will be the first person who can tell you the mechanism of this machinery or object?
@lotr450 As I suspected, your question pre-supposed design. That's why I said that a scientist would be first, because they wouldn't leap to conclusions.
@mucalinda You have to understand that time, space and matter are physical laws of our universe alone. Outside our universe different physical laws exist. Science have said that, not me. I once watched a documentary that spoke about this in detail but unfortunately it's been removed from Youtube due to copyright.
@lotr450 The physical laws of our universe were understood by study, reason, logic and science. We don't know if there is anything 'outside' our universe including time and space and other physical laws We don't even know for sure if our universe is eternal or not : the singularity at the beginning of the big bang could be the other side of a black hole linked to another decreasing universe for all we know. The answer to 'not knowing' isn't 'it must be magic' or 'God', it's to keep an open mind
@mucalinda I know. But many scientists think that there are other multi-verses out there that have their own physical laws which are completely different form our Universe's. You're right though, we're not sure of many things yet.
@lotr450 The multi-verse theory is a purely hypothetical and untestable consequence of ONE interpretation of quantum physics. It is purely hypothetical. As fun as it may be to imagine it, we simply have no idea if these multi verses exist. Secondly, if you admit we simply don't know things of such fundamental importance as the beginning of space and time, why do you pre-suppose the existence of god?
@wownov83 I agree that multi-verse theory is hypothetical. I think that God exists because it's the only logical explanation to what was there before the big bang and what caused it. Even if we understood what caused the big bang (which we never will) we'll still ask the question what caused that one then? The only logically possible answer is that it's been created.
@lotr450 You can think whatever you want, but there's nothing obvious at all about positing the existence of God to answer the question of the beginning of the universe. In fact, positing his existence only brings up more questions. Modern physics shows that human intuition simply fails when we attempt to understand either very large or very small quantities of space or time; just because people don't have the answer yet, that doesn't mean that God is behind it.
you know what man, thats not what i said. or rather not what i meant to say. but i can see how you interpreted it that way, im just trying to learn more than just what i was taught as i was growing up. as i said in my first comment, please excuse my ignorance.
I.E. to my previous, we reside on a third dimensional level, (and im refering to segan's 4th dimension explanation for this), so anything residing in a fourth dimension, would it not be outside our perception (and science) for the most part?
please forgive me for being an ignorant Christian, but the question asked at 4:13 (for one thing seems blown off, i would have liked a more in depth argument), gave me a thought, and im saying this more as a question, but, could something, like an all powerful continuousness, or being, (or beings) be on a higher dimensional plain?
@longhaurules If you always ask questions like "Is it possible that _____?" The answer will always be "Sure. It's possible." But how useful is that considering that absolute certainty doesn't exist for any area of knowledge? A more useful question would be "How likely is it that ________ considering present evidence on the subject?" When you fill in that blank with "god exists", the answer at least right now is: "Not very likely."
@bishop8000 but thats not what my question was... :( you dicked with my question and made it into a way for you to go all "anti god" not cool man, cant you just indulge my superstions?
either way, if there was an all powerful being on a fourth dimensional plain, (or higher) it would have had to exist before the beginning, and all time and space, and dimensions for that matter would exist after the bang... i mulled that out myself... kind of a stupidly linier mistake, lol.
Oh I understood your question, but If you're going to open the doors of "what if", then let's open them all the way. Couldn't we actually be a simulation on an alien super computer? Couldn't elves be dreaming this whole universe? Maybe invisible dragons inhabit this world, but they're wholly undetectable? In each case, the answer is: sure it's possible but there's no evidence. Once you give in to belief in the absence of evidence, there's no limit to the absurd things you'll take seriously.
@bishop8000 i asked a specific question, not a general "what if" question. i agree with your statements for the most part, please don't think of me as closed minded. but instead of answering what i asked, you went in a different direction, a question which i was able to simply answer after some sleep.
i actually thought i would get a smart answer, not a redirection, this is the problem i get with atheists, your so bent on proving me wrong you don't want to discuss anything outside the box.
@longhaurules i feel kind of trapped, because i want to discuss things outside the regular normal belief of Christianity, so for that no Christian will talk to me, and because i am a Christian atheists just turn me away, or tell me my beliefs are absurd...
i kind of feel like Christians are just as closed minded as atheists...
@bishop8000 no, i don't want to be happy, all i want is someone to give me an answer that is actually relevant and thought through to the question i am asking. either way, if a being created the universe, then it would not exist in it, or any dimensions existing in the universe which it created. so it isn't possible.
@bishop8000 no. i was asking a philosophical question directed in a scientific direction, forget it, you are starting to annoy me. just like everyone else.
Even if the followers of a religious school of thought had no proofs for their claim, to conclude firmly and forcibly that non- being reigns beyond the sensory realm would be a non-scientific choice, based on imagination and speculation.
Some people try to propagate this *fantasy* in the garb of science and to present their choice as having been dictated by scientific thought.
In the final analysis, however, the denial involved in such an assertion is unworthy of science and philosophy, and even *contradicts* empirical logic.
Your delusions that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
@1tabligh "even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists. "
Exactly right. And that's true for elves, wizards, goblins, and everything else mythical, not just god. That's exactly why the burden of proof is on YOU to demonstrate god rather than on me to demonstrate no-god.
Your claim is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories. Views such as these derive directly from a system of thought centered on materialism; within it, everything is defined and delimited with reference to materialism.
To interpret materialism in such a sense is in the final analysis strictly meaningless; it would be a superstitious notion involving the perversion of truth, and to regard it as scientific would, in fact, be *treason* to science.
@1tabligh Again, my world view is based on evidence. If there's no evidence, it's irrational and delusional to believe. That's not treasonous to science, that's the heart of science. You're defending your delusion because you LIKE believing in an afterlife, not because you've obtained that belief by honestly and courageously examining the evidence and accepting whatever the universe has to teach you. You're an ignorant coward so begone.
@mygodisgood94 Yea, and fictional stories about missing days, even if they were true, are no more evidence of your god than of HP Lovecraft's trans-dimensional goblins. Fail.
why is god statistically improbale your not a mathmatician or even an engineer?shut up dawkins. Because i cant explain how god can exist it means he doesnt. also there are christian muslims everywhere not just where your from
God is improbable because it's an extraordinary claim offered without a shred of evidence to support it. One need not be a mathematician or an engineer to understand that the god hypothesis fails to meet its burden of proof.
@bishop8000 People speak and fell him/her all the time. Since YOU havent Seen em and YOU havent felt em. Doesnt mean it doesnt exist.Fail Ow by the way im going to school for english and engineering major sorry if i write informal on youtube. I forgot its a graded document. Your Smart
@pliskin543 People "feel" ghosts, aliens, and all sorts of gods and demons. That's not convincing evidence, and given what science has learned about the human brain's ability to misunderstand the world, it's much more likely that these phenomena are delusions.
If you're going for an English degree, you've got a long road ahead of you.
@bishop8000 Its not convincing to you. And that old argument that people mis see what they saw. Is retarted. And there all delusions do you know that. Every sigle sighting in the world of super natural event are delusions. The millions and millions of sighting of UFO Spirts and ghost are All fake. thank im glad i spoke to you. you have all knowledge. and im almost done with my DOUBLE majors again your smart who im i to not spell chack youtube.
@bishop8000 So your saying. Let me understand this....people minds play tricks on them so what they see isnt there? Or only thing everyone see is real.
How Is god an extrodinary claim? Your asking me to make a controlled testable and repeatable experience of the existence of a super natural being.? Are you serious?That is such a weak convoender that atheist do. we already k\now it something you feel and see. Not something testable. and even if i had that info what could it possibly be?? I give you a handful of gods hair and tell you its god would you beleive. How about a picture. Or wait let me tell god to preform miracles to proof he exist.
@pliskin543 A supernatural being that sees everything and talks to believers inside their heads is as extraordinary a claim as can be produced by the human mind. And yet not a single shred of credible evidence is ever offered to justify this belief. Prayer would be a perfect grounds for testing this hypothesis, except every large scale test of prayer has come to the same conclusion, prayer works exactly the same as any superstition, as a placebo. There's no god. You're deluded.
@pliskin543 Just listen to the video. It answers your question. If intelligent humans require a super-intelligent Creator to make them then obviously a super-intelligent Creator requires an even more intelligent Maker to make him. If complex life cannot evolve by natural means then how could a god come into being by itself? Proposing "god" as an answer to the origins of life and the universe doesn't provide any answers - it just unnecessarily makes the problem more complex.
why is god statistically improbale your not a mathmatician or even an engineer?shut up dawkins. Because i cant explain how god can exist it means he doesnt.
Dawkins says "You see there are infinite numbers of universe where everything is possible and this explains everything." This idea is a total cop out ! Of course it explains everything, it would have to wouldn't it. I mean if you can have every possibliity be true then every exlaination holds in some universe, right ?. Nonsense ! This is NOT any kind of testable scientific explaination, it's total bullshit and no one should be foolish enough to fall for thinking that it is. It's phoney !
@zimtran007 The real explanation is that we still don't know why we live in this kind of universe. But the god hypothesis is even worse than the multiverse hypothesis. That's what Dawkins was explaining.
@bishop8000 So far the sinful nature of people has held up. What almost all religous doctrine is about. we steal kill and harm one another over greed and lust. I see i people potential to do wonders. and we fight with on another. Are people sinful/Bad. Ow wait is it relative???lol
Your confirm a already knowed idea. God says to not test me several times so your prayer groups will be nonconclusive. He not a play thing. and even if i beleived and prayer you know how terrible awful life would be. Dear lord please kills all white blacks arabs.... im glad its non conclusive. Your saying 7 billion ppl are deluded. because they beleive in god? So if 7 billion ppl beleive that the sun is hot and 1 billion beleive its cold the 7 billion people are making an outrageous claim? fail
And another thing that is definitely not scientific is this idea of the laws o physics being due to the anthropic principal because there are infinite universes and we happen to be in one where those laws work for us. Total BS calling this idea science as science is all about empirical observation not speculation ! I'll agree to this multi-universe idea when Dawkins agrees that one of those infinite universes is heaven. See the problem ? No evidence, none for his idea. So it's not science.
@zimtran007 All theories in science began as speculation, and no one is claiming that the mutiverse is anything other than a speculation. You're making a straw man argument here. His point was that god is "even worse" because it BEGINS with complex intelligence. You're sniping it as though he was arguing that the multiverse theory is accepted science and it disproves god, it's a straw man.
@bishop8000 I'm not trying to prove the existence of God at all, that's not my point. The point if that people like Dawkins use this anthropic principle / multi-universe jargon to explain why the universe has such seemly perfect laws and balanced forces. And this speculation of their doesn't wash at all. It isn't science in any way shape or form. I've heard him revert to this bum argument many times and it's a totally lame argument. unprovable and unscientific.
@zimtran007 Infinite complexity would be necessary for god to do all of the things that he's supposed to do. Consciousness = complexity. Supreme consciousness = supreme complexity.
@zimtran007 Well come on. Nobody really knows what consciousness is at root. And the defintion of complexity often turn out to be only 'too much for some particular mind to deal with and understand'. So the equation that you wrote down 'Consciousness = complexity' has almost no real meaning. it's fuzzy thinking which is another way of saying not scientific.
@bishop8000 He is very educated. Oxford professor in Biology. He is barely sophomoric on world religion and theology. But you know nothing of my education, do you now?
@helpmetony You insulted Dawkins' intelligence because you disagree with him. My rebuttal was to insult your intelligence because I disagree with you. It seems fair and reasonable to me, why are you having a hard time understanding this? And now you're calling me immature for doing exactly what you did? Pot, meet kettle.
@bishop8000 Ok, here's my point. Richard Dawkins self serving smugness displays a lack of humility, which closes doors to learning or discovering. Beware of anyone who thinks they have it all figured out. We are specks of sand in this universe.
I never insulted his intelligence, i credited him, remember? But, we are human. God is God. That's my point. Of course, you're free to believe what you want.
@helpmetony Oh I see. It's your imaginary friend that's threatening me with eternal torture unless I believe in him, and you're just the messenger. Can you see how this looks to a non-believer?
@bishop8000 see the video Richard Dawkins on religious hallucinations, right here on youtube! there's my reference. Enjoy! I wasn't "born" believing, in fact I was agnostic at best for many many many years.
I know how you feel. I really do, and I understand how difficult it is to understand my way of thinking. But your sarcasm is tedious. I've heard it all before.
Good luck to you, keep an open mind and don't stop searching !
@helpmetony You haven't addressed my fundamental criticism that you warn against "anyone who thinks they have it all figured out" and then in the very next breath you make an appeal to authority for god. You think your pastor and your big old big of fairy tales have it all figured out. So what taking your own advice?
P.S. Don't lecture me about your street cred. I was a hard core christian for 20 years. I've heard it all before too. Never stop searching for the flying spaghetti monster.
@bishop8000 I don't EVER pretend to know something I cannot. You may have thought or called yourself a Christian. So what? Your anger is so typical and your sarcasm is married to it. Let's just be done with this.
@helpmetony Do you accuse everyone who arguments you can't defeat of anger? Or just atheists?
Even in an epoch centuries after the scientific revolution, you still cling to a 3k year old world view that includes talking snakes, Noah's ark, and a god that judges every petty human action with extreme prejudice, especially sexual things. And you believe that anyone who disagrees with you will burn forever in hell. Sarcasm and laughter is the only response I can muster for that kind of ignorance.
@bishop8000 there is no debate between us. You just jumped on Dawkins bandwagon so you could defend what you think is rationale. You have your mind made up. There is no God. There is only you and Dick.
@helpmetony I just re-read our entire exchange. It looks like a debate to me, and it looks like you lost. Plus you believe in a magic invisible friend and a hell for non-believers, so you double fail.
@bishop8000 yeah, of course, it 'looks' the way you want it to. You can stop trying to convince yourself anytime. We can be done now if you like, but I'd like to have at least one more insult from you, just so the other readers can feel the self-assured, cocky atheist love!
@helpmetony I tried to convince myself that god exists for two decades. It didn't work and I can no longer deny the obvious. I'd like to see other people giveing god beliefs also because delusion negatively impacts life on the earth. Sexual prudery, impeding stem cell research, anti-abortion lobbies, the crusades, 911, the persecution of homosexuals... It's a long list.
P.S. When you threatened me with hell, you gave up any claim to the moral high ground. So climb off your high horse.
@bishop8000 somebody else threatened you, not me. Try to keep your story straight. 'Delusion negatively impacts life on the earth'. Would that include your delusions as well? You mention sex alot. perhaps you're just frustrated.
@helpmetony I'm frustrated, but not in the way you used the word. I'm frustrated with people like you who cling to ancient superstitions and make life more difficult for others.
If your child's imaginary friend threatens you, it's really your child threatening you and blaming it on a figment of their imagination. That's exactly what you did to me.
@helpmetony Of course I think I'm right, and you think you're right. No surprise there.
"I didnt "do anything" to you"
You threatened me with hell honey. You implied that if I don't come around to your way of thinking, I'll spend ETERNITY being tortured in a place that looks like the inside of a volcano.
its funny to think that the christian jewdan god isn't even the oldest god. if the world already exsisted before god did, how could he possibly have created the already created?
All of this stuff is beyond human intelligence. We'll never prove the origin of everything. We can always ask, "What was before?" I think we just get to create our own idea of the universe and I guess that's what it is.
@nolindsay "We can always ask, "What was before?" ". We can always perceive of that question but that is not the same as being able to logically ask it. Causal precedence is only required for that WITHIN our universe and BECAUSE that is is in the universe. Therefore if something is not constrained to be in the universe causal precedence does not apply at all. It's like asking "how do stones think", it's just a totally absurd question the short answer to which is "obviously they don't".
@MrMonkeyspanner You can logically ask it, but you can never answer where "it all came from." That's why we have philosophy.
From the way you understand consciousness, a stone most likely doesn't "think." But science has failed to understand consciousness. The entire cosmos might be a glob of consciousness and life (more specifically, the brain) may be a very advanced mechanism by which the cosmos can perceive itself. A plant may have primitive consciousness. A stone may not know itself.
I don't see Richard Dawkins as i do people such as Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking etc. for various reasons. So i do apologize if anyone is offended by me basically calling him an idiot.
So basically, the majority of everything is theory but humans still like to believe they have everything worked out when they really don't. It doesn't matter though, because i am a human-being and am insignificant and ignorant like everyone else. People like Dawkins know they won't live to see themselves fall flat on their face, so theres no reason not to "go for it" so to speak and soak up as much attention as you can. Of coarse more importantly to make a career for yourself too.
This and just about everything else disproving a creator (God) with nowhere near enough evidence is not convincing at all. For starters, many people fail to separate the possibility of a creator from that of God depicted by various religions. Why ? are people really that inept ?
I very much like the quote i once heard that went something like this - "Existence was around long before mankind, so just face it...The Universe is not all about you."
@mygodisgood94 No there's not. The eye of faith sees evidence behind every bush. If you're raised to believe that dancing elves cause rain, then every time it rains you'll see evidence of elves.
@MovieMagicMaster who said it is only in my mind... i will send you a link on scientific evidence.... it is your decision to believe... i am trying to get as much people to see the truth..
@MovieMagicMaster like I said I found this strong scientific evidence and choose to pass it on to people so that they can see the truth and it is your choice to believe me or not... The bible says, he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
@MovieMagicMaster like i said again you can call me delusional but god wants you to be saved and go with him at his second coming.....you can call me whatever you want....i dont mind... i just telling what i know
Listen carefully. I don't give a shit about your religion, your god, or your beliefs. Stop trying to push your beliefs on others. The harder you try, the more people you'll turn away. Get it?
Some brainless atheists regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
the "question/debate" is NOT whether "god" exists. this in immature human drivel. THEE question is... what's your definition of "god". If your definition is... "god is infinite knowledge and pure energy"... then fine! "god" exists". If your definition is "god" is an old white man that lives up in the clouds... weeeeell...
EricBochene 1 month ago
@EricBochene "immature human drivel" hmm? Redefining the word "god" to mean "infinite knowledge and pure energy" is the worst drivel I know. For words to not become meaningless we need to agree on definitions. In this case, when most people use the word god they mean an intelligent creative being that created the universe. So let's keep it at that. We already have words for knowledge and energy, they're "knowinger" and "energy".
bishop8000 1 month ago
Before I get into a debate about whether God exists, I ask my oppenent how old the earth is. If they say 6000 years, I get up, and slowly back out of the room.
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akeello 3 months ago
if God exists then who the f**k created God? :)
messos 5 months ago
@messos
Yo' momma!
leftovers0 4 months ago
@leftovers0 if Yo' momma exists then who the f**k created Yo' momma? :)
messos 4 months ago
@messos we have yet to fully understand the concept of infinity
gangstamind187 3 months ago
@gangstamind187 basically what they finding now is more universes -_- What if there are more big bang than just one ? A space and time paradox , with matter emerging out of it somehow , This seems so weird right ? But the truth is Space , time ,matter , life , probably nothing really exists ...
djay00009 3 months ago
@djay00009 yea..too many things to explain.
gangstamind187 3 months ago
Donkey Kong and Pac man demand evidence that YOU exist. Now what? Sure I'll give you a few to start, pixalization of the Universe, DNA(Which Atheists refer to as a "code"), snowflakes, I have no tail or fur, And on and on
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe I think you're a troll, so you're gone. (No one is this stupid). But if you really are, you're way beyond my help.
bishop8000 8 months ago
@bishop8000
i think you have the wrong idea of what a troll is, because he is obviously a (albeit persistent) cynic. to reconcile:
troll = ignorant/stupid
cynic = humorous
you may want to check out the invisible pink unicorn, pastafarianism, intelligent falling or the like if the concept of mocking humour is alien to you.
Ensiferu 7 months ago
@Ensiferu A troll is someone who's goal is to illicit an emotional response from others or to waste their time with no genuine interest in the conversation. That person clearly exhibited symptoms of that illness. So I suspect that it's you who has the wrong idea of what a troll is based on your protest of my labeling of him as a troll.
bishop8000 7 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe What a stupid comment!
TheUnruly6 1 month ago
You and I are simply creations of His imagination. In His world He is real, and you are a character on a complex hard drive.
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe Evidence please.
bishop8000 8 months ago
@bishop8000 tell that to Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin, Nicola Tesla, etc.
7Nexus21 6 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe ALL HAIL THE GREAT COSMIC HARD DRIVE!
CessnaAviator317 7 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe TO tell you the truth ,God , if he's like humans , will be bored all alone , And there's no point in god existing really , Think about how big this universe this , In fact there will be millions of other aliens in the universe .
Even star wars can exist , but it will be even more , or even better technology than we thought in star wars ,A guy once told me "WE ARE GOD" I asked why ?
He said cause we have the capability to change our surroundings and our universe.
djay00009 3 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe There is no god , There can't be , Atleast if god is there , He will no sex , he will be alone always , he will no feelings , no morals , nothing , those come from intelligence , Intelligence also gives rise to feelings , How can god love us then if he has no feelings ? Doesn't he ever feel alone ? What form is he ? a soul ? outside of matter ? 96 % of the universe is outside matter , you know :D but its presence is felt and its effect it recognized.
djay00009 3 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe now , If a thing lies outside the domain of science itself and its effect is in no way felt on the universe or universes , The universes and the paradox of time and space will collapse , thats how it is . Their will be millions or billions of other planets with life in the universe, we are not alone. Think that
djay00009 3 months ago
You are just a simulation in a reality that He created. The laws of science are only like a program, a program that He designed.
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe Present the evidence.
bishop8000 8 months ago
You're thinking isn't deep enough. You're not challenging your mind. If God's the programmer.... It is you that is not real.
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe Sure. I've considered that. But it's no better than postulating that I'm the programmer and I just wrote this video game to entertain myself, and it's more fun if I don't know it's a game. There is an infinite number of ideas like this that COULD be true, but as ever, if you want to get at the truth the only thing that matters is how good the supporting evidence is. There's none for god.
bishop8000 8 months ago
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Prove it. I need physical evidence.
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
Here's some evidence: they claim Jesus walked on water, healed the blind, the lame, the deaf, and the dumb, he commanded storms at his voice, he turned water into wine, he raised the dead, and he himself raised from the dead, then he ascended into the sky. Then they wrote it down for you. You believe George Washington existed right? Why? Because books say he was our first President. You never met him or saw him. ;-)
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe Lots of separate historians working independently wrote about George Washington at the time of his life. With Jesus, the first tangible mention of him was not written for decades after his death. And even if he had existed, and there were accounts of Jesus' life, that's in no way evidence for anything supernatural.
bishop8000 8 months ago
I'll choose hope over hopelessness every time, sorry, I don't choose death over life for my inner beliefs.
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe That's your choice. I'll take honesty and reason over desperate wishful thinking any day.
bishop8000 8 months ago
Here is evidence from the other side: golden chariots found at the bottom of the Red Sea, the discoveries thought to be Noah's Ark, the area where the Bible says Sodom was is full of sulfer and is a wasteland, and Bible prophecies about the Earth in the future coming true.
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe When you start with a conclusion and work backward to find the evidence, you'll always be successful. That's how bad science works. There were lots of chariots, there were lots of boats, there are lots of old cities that are now ruined. That's in no way evidence for anything supernatural.
bishop8000 8 months ago
You believe in scientific evidence brought forth by the scientific community. That would mean you believe in 80 foot humans and aliens have visited Earth.
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe You're very ignorant about science.
bishop8000 8 months ago
Giant human skeletons
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe Read about the fakes on snopes dot com.
bishop8000 8 months ago
The massive evidence is in common sense. Either God created our reality or in infinite space and time it evolved and evolved until it created him, but there's no mathematical way around there being a god.
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe No.
bishop8000 8 months ago
Or the propaganda evidence that lobbyists get put into books?
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
Which evidence? The 80 foot tall human skeletons scientists say they've found or the aliens?
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
I think God exists outside of the universe much like a programmer. People play Sim City but are not subject to its laws because they are outside the Sim City reality. Dawkins, much like very religious people, won't accept that idea. Why? Because he Doesnt want God to exist.
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe You can make that argument for anything that doesn't exist. It's not convincing. The reason there's no evidence for unicorns is that they exist outside of space and time.
bishop8000 8 months ago
I like the theories agnostics and atheiests come up with. They are very wild ideas. The fact is no matter what you believe, you take it on faith, because the answer wouldn't be believable no matter what it is.
Mossinator5000Deluxe 8 months ago
@Mossinator5000Deluxe When there's massive evidence, you don't need faith.
bishop8000 8 months ago
His answer wasn't convincing at all. God DOES exist outside the constraints of time, space and matter. Therefore, he is omnipresent, immaterial and the Alpha and Omega.
lotr450 10 months ago
@lotr450 That's a cheap trick to explain away the fact that there's no evidence for god, and to justify believing anyway. But you can do that for anything. Unicorns exist outside of time and space and matter.
bishop8000 10 months ago
@bishop8000
Suppose there is an equipment or a machinery which no one in the world has ever seen before. If it's brought in front of you, who will be the first person who can tell you the mechanism of this machinery or object?
lotr450 10 months ago
@lotr450 A scientist. Because they don't jump to conclusions about design/evolution.
bishop8000 10 months ago
@bishop8000 No, it's the creator on inventor would be the FIRST. A scientist might explain it but he wouldn't be the first one.
lotr450 10 months ago
@lotr450 As I suspected, your question pre-supposed design. That's why I said that a scientist would be first, because they wouldn't leap to conclusions.
bishop8000 10 months ago
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@bishop8000 If there is no God how do you think the Universe came into existence?
lotr450 10 months ago
@lotr450 'God DOES exist outside the constraints of time, space and matter.' How do you know?
mucalinda 10 months ago
@mucalinda It's the only explanation one could ever have to what happened before the big bang.
lotr450 9 months ago
@lotr450 You don't know that. And it's not an explanation anyway. What's wrong with not knowing?
mucalinda 9 months ago
@mucalinda You have to understand that time, space and matter are physical laws of our universe alone. Outside our universe different physical laws exist. Science have said that, not me. I once watched a documentary that spoke about this in detail but unfortunately it's been removed from Youtube due to copyright.
lotr450 9 months ago
@lotr450 The physical laws of our universe were understood by study, reason, logic and science. We don't know if there is anything 'outside' our universe including time and space and other physical laws We don't even know for sure if our universe is eternal or not : the singularity at the beginning of the big bang could be the other side of a black hole linked to another decreasing universe for all we know. The answer to 'not knowing' isn't 'it must be magic' or 'God', it's to keep an open mind
mucalinda 9 months ago
@mucalinda I know. But many scientists think that there are other multi-verses out there that have their own physical laws which are completely different form our Universe's. You're right though, we're not sure of many things yet.
lotr450 9 months ago
@lotr450 The multi-verse theory is a purely hypothetical and untestable consequence of ONE interpretation of quantum physics. It is purely hypothetical. As fun as it may be to imagine it, we simply have no idea if these multi verses exist. Secondly, if you admit we simply don't know things of such fundamental importance as the beginning of space and time, why do you pre-suppose the existence of god?
wownov83 9 months ago
@wownov83 I agree that multi-verse theory is hypothetical. I think that God exists because it's the only logical explanation to what was there before the big bang and what caused it. Even if we understood what caused the big bang (which we never will) we'll still ask the question what caused that one then? The only logically possible answer is that it's been created.
lotr450 9 months ago
@lotr450 You can think whatever you want, but there's nothing obvious at all about positing the existence of God to answer the question of the beginning of the universe. In fact, positing his existence only brings up more questions. Modern physics shows that human intuition simply fails when we attempt to understand either very large or very small quantities of space or time; just because people don't have the answer yet, that doesn't mean that God is behind it.
wownov83 9 months ago
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IDESIRETHEEND 1 year ago
you know what man, thats not what i said. or rather not what i meant to say. but i can see how you interpreted it that way, im just trying to learn more than just what i was taught as i was growing up. as i said in my first comment, please excuse my ignorance.
longhaurules 1 year ago
I.E. to my previous, we reside on a third dimensional level, (and im refering to segan's 4th dimension explanation for this), so anything residing in a fourth dimension, would it not be outside our perception (and science) for the most part?
longhaurules 1 year ago
please forgive me for being an ignorant Christian, but the question asked at 4:13 (for one thing seems blown off, i would have liked a more in depth argument), gave me a thought, and im saying this more as a question, but, could something, like an all powerful continuousness, or being, (or beings) be on a higher dimensional plain?
longhaurules 1 year ago
@longhaurules If you always ask questions like "Is it possible that _____?" The answer will always be "Sure. It's possible." But how useful is that considering that absolute certainty doesn't exist for any area of knowledge? A more useful question would be "How likely is it that ________ considering present evidence on the subject?" When you fill in that blank with "god exists", the answer at least right now is: "Not very likely."
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 but thats not what my question was... :( you dicked with my question and made it into a way for you to go all "anti god" not cool man, cant you just indulge my superstions?
either way, if there was an all powerful being on a fourth dimensional plain, (or higher) it would have had to exist before the beginning, and all time and space, and dimensions for that matter would exist after the bang... i mulled that out myself... kind of a stupidly linier mistake, lol.
longhaurules 1 year ago
Oh I understood your question, but If you're going to open the doors of "what if", then let's open them all the way. Couldn't we actually be a simulation on an alien super computer? Couldn't elves be dreaming this whole universe? Maybe invisible dragons inhabit this world, but they're wholly undetectable? In each case, the answer is: sure it's possible but there's no evidence. Once you give in to belief in the absence of evidence, there's no limit to the absurd things you'll take seriously.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 i asked a specific question, not a general "what if" question. i agree with your statements for the most part, please don't think of me as closed minded. but instead of answering what i asked, you went in a different direction, a question which i was able to simply answer after some sleep.
i actually thought i would get a smart answer, not a redirection, this is the problem i get with atheists, your so bent on proving me wrong you don't want to discuss anything outside the box.
longhaurules 1 year ago
@longhaurules i feel kind of trapped, because i want to discuss things outside the regular normal belief of Christianity, so for that no Christian will talk to me, and because i am a Christian atheists just turn me away, or tell me my beliefs are absurd...
i kind of feel like Christians are just as closed minded as atheists...
longhaurules 1 year ago
@longhaurules Then the answer you wanted to hear was not the correct one. But as I said: sure, anything is possible. There. Are ya happy?
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 no, i don't want to be happy, all i want is someone to give me an answer that is actually relevant and thought through to the question i am asking. either way, if a being created the universe, then it would not exist in it, or any dimensions existing in the universe which it created. so it isn't possible.
but thankyou for humoring me.
longhaurules 1 year ago
@longhaurules You're using philosophy to answer a scientific question. That's going to give you the wrong answer.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 no. i was asking a philosophical question directed in a scientific direction, forget it, you are starting to annoy me. just like everyone else.
longhaurules 1 year ago
@longhaurules If logic annoys you, then you'll be a lonely guy in the atheist community.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@longhaurules dont feel christians are closed minded.... some are but other are open minded
mygodisgood94 11 months ago
@bishop8000 but there's no evidence
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Even if the followers of a religious school of thought had no proofs for their claim, to conclude firmly and forcibly that non- being reigns beyond the sensory realm would be a non-scientific choice, based on imagination and speculation.
Some people try to propagate this *fantasy* in the garb of science and to present their choice as having been dictated by scientific thought.
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh If there's no evidence for something, then it is irrational to believe it. That's the *core* of science.
bishop8000 1 year ago
In the final analysis, however, the denial involved in such an assertion is unworthy of science and philosophy, and even *contradicts* empirical logic.
Your delusions that science has put out the notion of God is purely *rhetorical* and has nothing to do with logical method, because even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists.
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh "even thousands of scientific experiments could not possibly suffice to demonstrate that no non-material being or factor exists. "
Exactly right. And that's true for elves, wizards, goblins, and everything else mythical, not just god. That's exactly why the burden of proof is on YOU to demonstrate god rather than on me to demonstrate no-god.
bishop8000 1 year ago
Your claim is nothing more than a *fanatical* illusion based on unproven theories. Views such as these derive directly from a system of thought centered on materialism; within it, everything is defined and delimited with reference to materialism.
To interpret materialism in such a sense is in the final analysis strictly meaningless; it would be a superstitious notion involving the perversion of truth, and to regard it as scientific would, in fact, be *treason* to science.
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh Again, my world view is based on evidence. If there's no evidence, it's irrational and delusional to believe. That's not treasonous to science, that's the heart of science. You're defending your delusion because you LIKE believing in an afterlife, not because you've obtained that belief by honestly and courageously examining the evidence and accepting whatever the universe has to teach you. You're an ignorant coward so begone.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000
so i guess you want evidence to prove to you that god exists
mygodisgood94 11 months ago
@mygodisgood94 Yea, and fictional stories about missing days, even if they were true, are no more evidence of your god than of HP Lovecraft's trans-dimensional goblins. Fail.
bishop8000 11 months ago
@bishop8000 and what does HP Lovecraft's trans-dimensional goblins do with it....
mygodisgood94 11 months ago
@mygodisgood94 No more than a god has to do with it I bet.
bishop8000 11 months ago
Read What's so great about Christianity for the answers...
kambithapal 1 year ago
@kambithapal Read it. Answered nothing. It's the same tired old apologetics that's been refuted a billion times.
bishop8000 1 year ago
All Hail Richard Dawkins!!!
magiccatalyst 1 year ago
why is god statistically improbale your not a mathmatician or even an engineer?shut up dawkins. Because i cant explain how god can exist it means he doesnt. also there are christian muslims everywhere not just where your from
pliskin543 1 year ago
@pliskin543 And "your" not an English professor.
God is improbable because it's an extraordinary claim offered without a shred of evidence to support it. One need not be a mathematician or an engineer to understand that the god hypothesis fails to meet its burden of proof.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 People speak and fell him/her all the time. Since YOU havent Seen em and YOU havent felt em. Doesnt mean it doesnt exist.Fail Ow by the way im going to school for english and engineering major sorry if i write informal on youtube. I forgot its a graded document. Your Smart
pliskin543 1 year ago
@pliskin543 People "feel" ghosts, aliens, and all sorts of gods and demons. That's not convincing evidence, and given what science has learned about the human brain's ability to misunderstand the world, it's much more likely that these phenomena are delusions.
If you're going for an English degree, you've got a long road ahead of you.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 Its not convincing to you. And that old argument that people mis see what they saw. Is retarted. And there all delusions do you know that. Every sigle sighting in the world of super natural event are delusions. The millions and millions of sighting of UFO Spirts and ghost are All fake. thank im glad i spoke to you. you have all knowledge. and im almost done with my DOUBLE majors again your smart who im i to not spell chack youtube.
pliskin543 1 year ago
@bishop8000 So your saying. Let me understand this....people minds play tricks on them so what they see isnt there? Or only thing everyone see is real.
pliskin543 1 year ago
How Is god an extrodinary claim? Your asking me to make a controlled testable and repeatable experience of the existence of a super natural being.? Are you serious?That is such a weak convoender that atheist do. we already k\now it something you feel and see. Not something testable. and even if i had that info what could it possibly be?? I give you a handful of gods hair and tell you its god would you beleive. How about a picture. Or wait let me tell god to preform miracles to proof he exist.
pliskin543 1 year ago
@pliskin543 A supernatural being that sees everything and talks to believers inside their heads is as extraordinary a claim as can be produced by the human mind. And yet not a single shred of credible evidence is ever offered to justify this belief. Prayer would be a perfect grounds for testing this hypothesis, except every large scale test of prayer has come to the same conclusion, prayer works exactly the same as any superstition, as a placebo. There's no god. You're deluded.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 Pwned.
MonsieurJackAss 1 year ago
@pliskin543. Ok, what is the probability of God's existence?. Not just any god, but that the God of Christianity. Ask a mathematician if you like.
cperez1000 1 year ago
@pliskin543 Just listen to the video. It answers your question. If intelligent humans require a super-intelligent Creator to make them then obviously a super-intelligent Creator requires an even more intelligent Maker to make him. If complex life cannot evolve by natural means then how could a god come into being by itself? Proposing "god" as an answer to the origins of life and the universe doesn't provide any answers - it just unnecessarily makes the problem more complex.
EqualAndFree 1 year ago
why is god statistically improbale your not a mathmatician or even an engineer?shut up dawkins. Because i cant explain how god can exist it means he doesnt.
pliskin543 1 year ago
"God beyond nature...doesn't need to be created"
Replace the word "god" with "universe creating pixies" and that's the kind of shit you can "prove" with such logic.
TurboDally 1 year ago
Dawkins says "You see there are infinite numbers of universe where everything is possible and this explains everything." This idea is a total cop out ! Of course it explains everything, it would have to wouldn't it. I mean if you can have every possibliity be true then every exlaination holds in some universe, right ?. Nonsense ! This is NOT any kind of testable scientific explaination, it's total bullshit and no one should be foolish enough to fall for thinking that it is. It's phoney !
zimtran007 1 year ago
@zimtran007 The real explanation is that we still don't know why we live in this kind of universe. But the god hypothesis is even worse than the multiverse hypothesis. That's what Dawkins was explaining.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 So far the sinful nature of people has held up. What almost all religous doctrine is about. we steal kill and harm one another over greed and lust. I see i people potential to do wonders. and we fight with on another. Are people sinful/Bad. Ow wait is it relative???lol
pliskin543 1 year ago
Your confirm a already knowed idea. God says to not test me several times so your prayer groups will be nonconclusive. He not a play thing. and even if i beleived and prayer you know how terrible awful life would be. Dear lord please kills all white blacks arabs.... im glad its non conclusive. Your saying 7 billion ppl are deluded. because they beleive in god? So if 7 billion ppl beleive that the sun is hot and 1 billion beleive its cold the 7 billion people are making an outrageous claim? fail
pliskin543 1 year ago
And another thing that is definitely not scientific is this idea of the laws o physics being due to the anthropic principal because there are infinite universes and we happen to be in one where those laws work for us. Total BS calling this idea science as science is all about empirical observation not speculation ! I'll agree to this multi-universe idea when Dawkins agrees that one of those infinite universes is heaven. See the problem ? No evidence, none for his idea. So it's not science.
zimtran007 1 year ago
@zimtran007 All theories in science began as speculation, and no one is claiming that the mutiverse is anything other than a speculation. You're making a straw man argument here. His point was that god is "even worse" because it BEGINS with complex intelligence. You're sniping it as though he was arguing that the multiverse theory is accepted science and it disproves god, it's a straw man.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 I'm not trying to prove the existence of God at all, that's not my point. The point if that people like Dawkins use this anthropic principle / multi-universe jargon to explain why the universe has such seemly perfect laws and balanced forces. And this speculation of their doesn't wash at all. It isn't science in any way shape or form. I've heard him revert to this bum argument many times and it's a totally lame argument. unprovable and unscientific.
zimtran007 1 year ago
God is not a "complicated intelligence".
zimtran007 1 year ago
@zimtran007 Infinite complexity would be necessary for god to do all of the things that he's supposed to do. Consciousness = complexity. Supreme consciousness = supreme complexity.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 Seriously, is that supposed to be fuzzy math or something ? Because it sure is lousy logic !
zimtran007 1 year ago
@zimtran007 Then it should be easy for you to refute rather than waste time insulting me.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@zimtran007 Well come on. Nobody really knows what consciousness is at root. And the defintion of complexity often turn out to be only 'too much for some particular mind to deal with and understand'. So the equation that you wrote down 'Consciousness = complexity' has almost no real meaning. it's fuzzy thinking which is another way of saying not scientific.
zimtran007 1 year ago
@zimtran007
"Nobody really knows what consciousness is at root. "
You're not a neurologist. If you were knowledgeable on the subject you wouldn't say that.
Consciousness requires a very complex brain. If you won't accept such a basic premise, then you're beyond my help.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 "You're not a neurologist." Blah Blah Blah. I am beyond your help.
zimtran007 1 year ago
Dawkins thinks millions are "hallucinating". And people think this guy is smart?
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony Cite a reference for your quote, or that's a hideous straw man.
bishop8000 1 year ago
Dawkins has a hard time conceiving that God has a far superior mind than he does.
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony You have a hard time conceiving that Dawkins has a far more superior mind than you do.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 He is very educated. Oxford professor in Biology. He is barely sophomoric on world religion and theology. But you know nothing of my education, do you now?
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony I never said anything about your education, I was insulting your IQ.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 based on the assumption that I don't believe God doesn't exist?
or just an attempt at an immature insult?
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony You insulted Dawkins' intelligence because you disagree with him. My rebuttal was to insult your intelligence because I disagree with you. It seems fair and reasonable to me, why are you having a hard time understanding this? And now you're calling me immature for doing exactly what you did? Pot, meet kettle.
bishop8000 1 year ago 2
@bishop8000 Ok, here's my point. Richard Dawkins self serving smugness displays a lack of humility, which closes doors to learning or discovering. Beware of anyone who thinks they have it all figured out. We are specks of sand in this universe.
I never insulted his intelligence, i credited him, remember? But, we are human. God is God. That's my point. Of course, you're free to believe what you want.
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony
"Beware of anyone who thinks they have it all figured out."
"But, we are human. God is God. That's my point."
The irony is killing me.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 Well, keep fighting against it, and see where it eventually leads you.
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony Are you threatening me with hell?
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 Nope! Not my job.
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony Oh I see. It's your imaginary friend that's threatening me with eternal torture unless I believe in him, and you're just the messenger. Can you see how this looks to a non-believer?
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 see the video Richard Dawkins on religious hallucinations, right here on youtube! there's my reference. Enjoy! I wasn't "born" believing, in fact I was agnostic at best for many many many years.
I know how you feel. I really do, and I understand how difficult it is to understand my way of thinking. But your sarcasm is tedious. I've heard it all before.
Good luck to you, keep an open mind and don't stop searching !
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony You haven't addressed my fundamental criticism that you warn against "anyone who thinks they have it all figured out" and then in the very next breath you make an appeal to authority for god. You think your pastor and your big old big of fairy tales have it all figured out. So what taking your own advice?
P.S. Don't lecture me about your street cred. I was a hard core christian for 20 years. I've heard it all before too. Never stop searching for the flying spaghetti monster.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 I don't EVER pretend to know something I cannot. You may have thought or called yourself a Christian. So what? Your anger is so typical and your sarcasm is married to it. Let's just be done with this.
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony Do you accuse everyone who arguments you can't defeat of anger? Or just atheists?
Even in an epoch centuries after the scientific revolution, you still cling to a 3k year old world view that includes talking snakes, Noah's ark, and a god that judges every petty human action with extreme prejudice, especially sexual things. And you believe that anyone who disagrees with you will burn forever in hell. Sarcasm and laughter is the only response I can muster for that kind of ignorance.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 you have no idea what you are talking about. You sound like echoes of Hitchens.
plus, watch your grammar C-!
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony Not a word of substantive content... You = debate fail.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 there is no debate between us. You just jumped on Dawkins bandwagon so you could defend what you think is rationale. You have your mind made up. There is no God. There is only you and Dick.
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony I just re-read our entire exchange. It looks like a debate to me, and it looks like you lost. Plus you believe in a magic invisible friend and a hell for non-believers, so you double fail.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 yeah, of course, it 'looks' the way you want it to. You can stop trying to convince yourself anytime. We can be done now if you like, but I'd like to have at least one more insult from you, just so the other readers can feel the self-assured, cocky atheist love!
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony I tried to convince myself that god exists for two decades. It didn't work and I can no longer deny the obvious. I'd like to see other people giveing god beliefs also because delusion negatively impacts life on the earth. Sexual prudery, impeding stem cell research, anti-abortion lobbies, the crusades, 911, the persecution of homosexuals... It's a long list.
P.S. When you threatened me with hell, you gave up any claim to the moral high ground. So climb off your high horse.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 somebody else threatened you, not me. Try to keep your story straight. 'Delusion negatively impacts life on the earth'. Would that include your delusions as well? You mention sex alot. perhaps you're just frustrated.
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony I'm frustrated, but not in the way you used the word. I'm frustrated with people like you who cling to ancient superstitions and make life more difficult for others.
If your child's imaginary friend threatens you, it's really your child threatening you and blaming it on a figment of their imagination. That's exactly what you did to me.
"Try to keep your story straight."
Coming from you, that's a compliment.
bishop8000 1 year ago
@bishop8000 sure, of course you're right. I'm delusional. You are the one who is right, and Dick Dawkins is the wisest man in Britain!
I didnt "do anything" to you. You are one weird mamajama.
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony Of course I think I'm right, and you think you're right. No surprise there.
"I didnt "do anything" to you"
You threatened me with hell honey. You implied that if I don't come around to your way of thinking, I'll spend ETERNITY being tortured in a place that looks like the inside of a volcano.
"You are one weird mamajama."
Sticks and stones babe, sticks and stones.
bishop8000 1 year ago
Dawkin's is a genius.
dirtydonki 1 year ago
@dirtydonki your grammar is not. LOL .....sorry
helpmetony 1 year ago
@helpmetony What on earth has this to do with my grandmother?
dirtydonki 1 year ago
@dirtydonki LOL!!!
helpmetony 1 year ago
@dirtydonki he is a genius but he is wrong about his beliefs in god
mygodisgood94 11 months ago
@mygodisgood94 WOW you must be yet another Moron School drop out.
dirtydonki 11 months ago
@dirtydonki sorry to tell you but thanks to god i am doing quite good in school
mygodisgood94 11 months ago
its funny to think that the christian jewdan god isn't even the oldest god. if the world already exsisted before god did, how could he possibly have created the already created?
kiddhitta 1 year ago
All of this stuff is beyond human intelligence. We'll never prove the origin of everything. We can always ask, "What was before?" I think we just get to create our own idea of the universe and I guess that's what it is.
nolindsay 1 year ago
@nolindsay Cheer up! Humans are mostly stupid, but we have our moments.
breaneainn 1 year ago
@nolindsay "We can always ask, "What was before?" ". We can always perceive of that question but that is not the same as being able to logically ask it. Causal precedence is only required for that WITHIN our universe and BECAUSE that is is in the universe. Therefore if something is not constrained to be in the universe causal precedence does not apply at all. It's like asking "how do stones think", it's just a totally absurd question the short answer to which is "obviously they don't".
MrMonkeyspanner 1 year ago
@MrMonkeyspanner You can logically ask it, but you can never answer where "it all came from." That's why we have philosophy.
From the way you understand consciousness, a stone most likely doesn't "think." But science has failed to understand consciousness. The entire cosmos might be a glob of consciousness and life (more specifically, the brain) may be a very advanced mechanism by which the cosmos can perceive itself. A plant may have primitive consciousness. A stone may not know itself.
nolindsay 1 year ago
I don't see Richard Dawkins as i do people such as Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking etc. for various reasons. So i do apologize if anyone is offended by me basically calling him an idiot.
Galaxy360 1 year ago
So basically, the majority of everything is theory but humans still like to believe they have everything worked out when they really don't. It doesn't matter though, because i am a human-being and am insignificant and ignorant like everyone else. People like Dawkins know they won't live to see themselves fall flat on their face, so theres no reason not to "go for it" so to speak and soak up as much attention as you can. Of coarse more importantly to make a career for yourself too.
Galaxy360 1 year ago
This and just about everything else disproving a creator (God) with nowhere near enough evidence is not convincing at all. For starters, many people fail to separate the possibility of a creator from that of God depicted by various religions. Why ? are people really that inept ?
I very much like the quote i once heard that went something like this - "Existence was around long before mankind, so just face it...The Universe is not all about you."
Galaxy360 1 year ago
That's good. God IS a delusion
MovieMagicMaster 1 year ago
@MovieMagicMaster how can you say that god is a delusion... there is evidence that god exists quite strong evidence.....
mygodisgood94 11 months ago
@mygodisgood94 No there's not. The eye of faith sees evidence behind every bush. If you're raised to believe that dancing elves cause rain, then every time it rains you'll see evidence of elves.
bishop8000 11 months ago
@mygodisgood94
Only in your mind.
MovieMagicMaster 11 months ago
@MovieMagicMaster who said it is only in my mind... i will send you a link on scientific evidence.... it is your decision to believe... i am trying to get as much people to see the truth..
mygodisgood94 11 months ago
@mygodisgood94
Your argument is logically fallible and is far out-weighed by the evidence against your god.
MovieMagicMaster 11 months ago
@MovieMagicMaster like I said I found this strong scientific evidence and choose to pass it on to people so that they can see the truth and it is your choice to believe me or not... The bible says, he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
mygodisgood94 11 months ago
@mygodisgood94
This is what I meant when I said delusional.
MovieMagicMaster 11 months ago
@MovieMagicMaster like i said again you can call me delusional but god wants you to be saved and go with him at his second coming.....you can call me whatever you want....i dont mind... i just telling what i know
mygodisgood94 11 months ago
@mygodisgood94
Listen carefully. I don't give a shit about your religion, your god, or your beliefs. Stop trying to push your beliefs on others. The harder you try, the more people you'll turn away. Get it?
MovieMagicMaster 11 months ago
@MovieMagicMaster like i said.. i just showing the evidence... believe it if you want.... i am not forcing it on you
mygodisgood94 11 months ago
@mygodisgood94
Then don't reply to this comment.
MovieMagicMaster 11 months ago
God and Empirical Logic.
Matter or God?
Take your choice!
Some brainless atheists regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery!
1tabligh 1 year ago