Jin Air OSL Flash vs Stork 2011-07-22 @ New Bloody Ridge

[Andrewsafb71]

savage chinks

[kvartalman]

stork?

[jeewoo12]

what the hell is flash doing? 5:55

[akmv3]

@jeewoo12 signing autograph??

[BelaFleckPhan]

lol at the screams at 10:58-11:11

[eudaemonic3]

The criticizers here sound retarded. Until some one wins an OSL, please just don't speak.

[ruhtraeel]

Jesus christ Flash is good. I was yelling YOU NEED MORE GOLS until I realized Flash had just enough and he micro'ed and placed them amazingly.

[Shyturhellout]

for some reasons i find myself unable to root for flash nor jaedong MOST of the times just like people stop rooting for michael schumacher. In this case i'm rooting for stork

[DiscPriestHeals]

I dont even play this game seriously and even I can tell MECH is so cheap

[ChummyChime]

@DiscPriestHeals

no its not. the tanks are immobile, the goliaths are idiots.

Terran requires the highest APM in the game, second is Zerg then Protoss.

[polanddemon]

@DiscPriestHeals Also tanks can't destroy air so if your goliaths are dead you're pretty much fucked against mutas or carriers.

[chorcor888]

BUGGUR ! the last rush of 병구 was so very sad:(

[lisherwin]

Should have tried to take Flash's 3 o'clock out.

[MessageInBlood1]

is sc2 more popular than sc1? i played sc2 and it's not as good as sc1 although it still is a good game.

[Arisleo1]

o al menos haber creado un ejercito potente y con tecnologia. No querer tener todas las unidades y tomarse todo el tiempo del mundo. Sobre todo conociendo que bien juega Flash

[ScreggaeaficionBw]

mierda stork, porque fuiste a carrier, podrias haber maseado increible si hubieras fabricado ejercito convencional.

[Retgery]

Why did he take the glasses off?

[garymymedic]

sigh stork :(

[Prometheus4096]

There's not that much that seperates a Protoss on iccup with Stork. Protoss players can only have that much skill.

Basically the only time protoss can really impress in PvT is when they play really abusive.

[chairmobile]

@Prometheus4096 wtf are you smoking...there's not much that separates him from the top ranks of the olympic league on iccup, not just any random protoss...

[Prometheus4096]

@chairmobile

His play isn't that good anymore. At this point his play is not that different from random strong icucp protosses. They can beat Flash too if they get lucky. Game is so imba.

And when Flash players perfectly, nothing can beat him. But you never can because terran is just so hard to play.

Thank you Blizzard for not balacing this game...

[chairmobile]

@Prometheus4096 The word you inserted there, strong, makes the previously incorrect statement pretty much true. Game is not imba; TvZ strongly favors T and ZvP favors Z quite a bit nowadays. But good players will always buck the trend...

[Prometheus4096]

@chairmobile

Take a random D+ protoss on iccup. Then have him play terran. See how much longer it will take him to get to D+ terran compared to how long it took for him to go from E rank protoss to D+ protoss.

[chairmobile]

@Prometheus4096 We're talking pros here. Believe me (I play Terran on iCCup), I know exactly what you're trying to say.

[MyLifeForAuir87]

@Prometheus4096 I've long believed that although terran requires the highest APM, it also yeilds the most reward for effort. All but one of the Bonjwa's have been terran, Savior was the only Zerg and never a protoss. P might be the easiest for E rank player to learn to D+ standard, but their potential is capped lower than T at top level play.

[Prometheus4096]

@MyLifeForAuir87

Maybe you remember how an inactive Nony beat an Idra who went through intense training in Korea. It doesnt' stop at D+

[MyLifeForAuir87]

@Prometheus4096 Nah i never saw that match, but Idra plays Zerg, which i also feel yeilds less reward for effort than Terran (bonjwa list again). Also you're referencing one example, whereas the consistent results of the pro gaming scene has been Terran dominance. Also didn't nony train in Korea too? Iether way, if M18M can take a game off Flash Nony can do it to Idra, one game or Bo3 is not a true measure of skill. Consistencey is.

[Prometheus4096]

@MyLifeForAuir87

Idra doesn't play zerg, lol.

[MyLifeForAuir87]

@Prometheus4096 He used to i didn't know he switched to T.

[Prometheus4096]

@MyLifeForAuir87

He played fastest first. Then played as zerg but switched to T. When he played WCG and whatnot he was always terran. He switched to terran before he became known.

You sure you aren't talking about another game?

[MyLifeForAuir87]

@Prometheus4096 well the M18M/Flash match i watched, and i'm only going off what you said with the Nony/Idra match. LOL Fastest that takes me back. I have actually only seen Idra Zerg matches and i watch him in SC2 now where he evidently switched back to Zerg.

Having said all that i think the examples listed still point to T yielding more reward for effort, specifically at top level. I don't accept that all those who were destined to be Bonjwa just happened to pick T by sheer coincidence.

[ExecutiveDmitri]

@MyLifeForAuir87 Oh The IMBa thread again. My favorite. The Game is obviously rigged in favor of Terran. I mean free mines (125 splash damage), 1 siege tank = 2,3 goons easily, Goliaths (same unit as hydra) own pretty much anything that comes out of a gateway. 75 mineral turrets that nulify shuttle play, dt's and prevent scouting obs. Healing Medics. T don't need to worry about scouting - cheap scans. Most dominant and consistent players are all Terran.

What other form of evidence do ppl need?

[MajinBejitto]

[spoiler]

At the moment it seems that the only protoss that stands a chance against Flash is BeSt.

[minhbeo]

@MajinBejitto In a BoX, NO protoss stand a chance before Flash.

[wasdwasdedsf]

lol what

[wasdwasdedsf]

uhh

[metal592]

ajajjaa

flash es la ostia

[MindControl008]

@metal592 si un puto super terran eso nadie lo niega jajaja

[dkimc125]

stork stork stork! -_-;;

[mspeichts]

Someone should really get a list together of all the opening music to these VOD's.

[harizotoh7]

2-1 Terran vs. zero upgrade Toss. Those Goliaths just ate into those Carriers.

Flash dominated the whole game, and I was hoping for some kind of turn around.

[dohderbert82]

where is the old stork :/

y slow berserker ?

[FakePriest]

Flash eats Protoss for breakfast.

[blackhorror12]

crazy screaming this time.

[toopablo]

Sloppy play by the .loser :(

[taeksinyumwon]

flash won without vultures lol

[doanvu11]

Why dont stork keep attacking after destroy the first tank, it would slow Flash down some more economically?

[Nuoz]

stork plays old protoss, few gateways, slow zealots, lots of dragons... crap protoss. learn stork learn from the young ones.

[taeksinyumwon]

@Nuoz i can't believe this.. Against terran, stork could not be defeated at all. His reaver&carrier combo was formidable also but now......(sigh)

[MannyKunV]

11:09 "Shut the fuck up"

[akmv3]

@MannyKunV HAHA. took me a few tries to recognize he's shouting "XX FIGHTING!!"

[JedBonjwa]

title of song at the end?

[BladePenguin]

damn outplayed

[Demolasha]

Thanks moktira!! :D

[kamikrazi123]

Bw macro and micro makes sc2's look like a joke.

[sinekonata]

@kamikrazi123 well it is...

[ThatWizGuy]

@kamikrazi123 they each have their own unique play style, although bw takes way more skill than sc2.

[kamikrazi123]

@ThatWizGuy you mean how players use 1 army control group and can't handle simultaneous battles or that they can't handle large economies regardless of mbs?

[ShamoonX]

@kamikrazi123 Yeah,but everything requires skill.

[kamikrazi123]

@ShamoonX Wiping my ass requires skill. It's sorta sad to see all the non-korean pros go 1 control group for their standard army still, especially when it comes to defending against simultaneous drops. The sc2 pros don't even scout half the time or do a half ass job (though I blame blizz partially for that flaw). People like DRG and other Korean SC2 pros were only practice partners for BW pros.

BW pros would demolish the sc2 scene into oblivion if they weren't getting paid six-figure salaries.

[ShamoonX]

@kamikrazi123 I know that Starcraft means more skill but even Sc2 requires skill.Well i know that Zerg is turning into bugs and i know Blizzard wants way to serious to make money and forget about us.Now they made a unit like defiler,but it looks like a bug and i hate that.Anyway i wanted to say that everything requires skill,but ofcs your words are true...

[highhow]

@kamikrazi123 derp

[aaltruista]

dont go exp exchange with terran you stupid fuck -_-

[youziness]

stork being predictable. On carrier map like this he can use all land and surprise flash since he surely prepared anti-carrier.

[Luisml8]

i think stork didnt even try this game look how he just let flash kill dragoon here and there doing nothing lol, stork wtf

[gajorpe]

FLASH GOD OF STARCRAFT

[warvaldance]

Hard times for Protoss fans. No Protoss champion in last 6 OSLs & 6 MSLs :'(

If Flash wins the last game against Shine and Stork beats Hydra he'll still have a chance. But these games will be on Pathfinder, which is tough for PvZ.

[Mangirox13]

try to carrier vs flash is like alt q q and the start... come on... really he ve got a nice advantage in economic, why he didnt try to mass gate maybe with arbiter...

BUT CARRIER, i think i never saw flash lose vs carrier.

[LoveIsLikeYuri]

@Mangirox13

Cuz it's standard to use carriers on this map. But yeah, Flash pulled a perfect anti-carrier build this time, like he didn't produce a single vulture. But Flash does loses to Carriers. Shuttle beat him twice recently both times with carriers. And on this particular map, Tyson beat Flash with carriers once. I'm sure there's a lot more

[konstantinNeo]

@Mangirox13

Stork went for pseudo 10 15 and was kind of behind in eco from the start actually. Flash went almost rushed his bases and nailed Stork before he reached even 8 Carriers.

[zephyrsimon]

4 terran, 1 zerg bonjwas, and 0 for protoss. People still think that broodwar is balanced???

[RocketMess]

@zephyrsimon I agree, if you look some protoss pro-gamers have crazy APM numbers, good polished strategies but they always loose to the big Zs & Ts. JangBi and Bisu are awesome players but toss becomes predictible, in big & medium maps zergs with 3 hatch hydra are a kind of unstoppable with good timming, and terran can break through every toss opening with a good scout.

In this game we saw stork going for a agressive opening, letting him go for 1 more base than flash even with that flash won

[aaltruista]

@zephyrsimon google for "New Bloody Ridge"

TvZ: 24-21 (53.3%)

ZvP: 40-31 (56.3%)

PvT: 13-19 (40.6%)

it 100% depends on map so BW is perfectly balanced

[zephyrsimon]

oh stork.



[kamikazepilotii]

stork should've mixed in dts with goons. snipe some tanks/gols ease

[sd48]

destination build ftw

[Yaoboi]

stork. y u no glasses???

[3rdeye1983]

carriers? vs. Flash? LMAO go home

[albefort]

Stork got owned.

[archersbane]

so is stork out of the OSL?

[tjdgo123]

송병구보다 김캐리가 더 불쌍해 지는 경기 흑흑흑

[dark14cs]

Stork went for a really cool build that relied on his managing the mid-game correctly. Unfortunately Flash knows how to multitask the crap out of Terran

[SvennemanZZZ]

@dark14cs also most players like baby would blindly shoot the small aircraft instead of microing and killing off the carriers at once, even if u kill 1 per 10 goliaths you diminish the carrier numbers and don't let it get a critical mass.

[OpenTheTrollGate]

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[crazy88boss]

@OpenTheTrollGate ty ^_^

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[OpenTheTrollGate]

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[emperor1994]

FINALLY. some one pwns gay carriers. sick of every protoss winning with them. stork should play a standard game not cower like that. his pvt is good

[roxas10192]

@emperor1994 if u think like that, u can call every terran coward, for using the most overpowered unit inagme, wich is called siege tank -_-

[emperor1994]

@roxas10192 oh come on..tanks op?? what would u like to use vs goons? marines?..what about storms/ dark swarm? :))

[eumaKn]

didn't even get to see vultures !

[konstantinNeo]

@eumaKn

Yeah that was a nice twist in Flashes build. He CC almost before his 1 rine, goes dual shop addon and 2 more CCs, Pure macro. Predicted Strok very well and could bust his carrier build. Stork should have fast expoed instead of this useless opening of 10 15ish and for what, snipping 1 tank?

[TomValedro]

what a brilliant push by flash.

[leducduongduy]

Thanks nevake!

Good job :)

[SvennemanZZZ]

I bet nukethestars is gonna be pissed

[Raz0rIG]

If i had a dollar for every time i guessed which player would win, i'd get so much money. Big surprise Flash rofl pwns, protoss lose against zerg most of the time.

[jamchew1982]

@Raz0rIG flash vs anyone is not a tough bet

[yijianglin2000]

教主威武， 教主教你打飞机

[xxgeneration]

thank you moktira <3 what a gosu

[elite861]

Thank you!

[famas5life]

Aww poor stork

[DailyJuicy]

精彩！

[gladiator766]

Thanks!!

[wfhbright]

Game starts at 10:53

[wfhbright]

Thx!!!