Squaresoft nor Square Enix have EVER said anything about the Rinoa Equals Ultimecia Theory. The only thing naysayers have is some guide made by a THIRD PARTY company that went bankrupt years ago. Square never addressed, nor denied, the argument.
I am stunned by the bad faith of certain players. To say that there is no proof is the proof of such blindness... OO
Even if you don't believe the theory, how can you deny the clues in the game ? To say that there is no proof or assumptions of Rinoa being Ultimecia in FF8, is like saying that Aristotle's syllogism is a worthless concept, denying thousands of years of western philosophy. Lol.
I didn't bought the ending video argument, and you debunked it clearly ^^
However, to say that it is "impossible" is a little too much. There are leads, which are not proofs, like the promises, the dialogs, the "loop theory' etc...
It is still possible, and not that unlickly, but it's part of le legend of FF 8.
Let me clear things up. Ultimecia is not Ellone or Rinoa. She is her own person. First off, if you know that right after the battle with Adele, Laguna and even the company has stated that Ultimecia is from a time that is "MANY GENERATIONS" ahead of the game's time. How long? Many people tend to say that one generation would equal to 20-25 years. Donot try to say that one generation is good enough. Look at the word, "MANY GENERATIONS". Squall and Rinoa and the others will be dead long after.
@HighSummonerBWM It doesn't matter if Ellone shares a similar goal in wanting to change the past, it doesn't mean that they are the same person. Besides, at the end of the video, you can see that Ellone is happy with where she is standing. As for Rinoa, let me state this. How old is Ultimecia? Did anyone of you ever questioned that? She may have white hair but she sure doesn't look old old. I also want to state that the sorceress powers does not keep one immortal. Since it does not, she will die
@HighSummonerBWM I don't think that Rinoa=Ultimecia but the point that everyone would be dead in Ultimecias Time isn't necessarily right. Several Times it is mentioned that a witch/sorceress lives very long.
And since Rinoa is one this point would make sense.
Nevertheless there are so many points that countering the Ulti=Rinoa Theory. One of the most evident point for me is the fact that she wants to use the Time Compression where only Witches can survive.
@Akriema No where does it states that sorceresses can live very long. May you please point that out as to where you found or heard of it? Besides, Adel is a sorceress but she felt her age and that she knew that she will have to pass on her powers once she dies.
@HighSummonerBWM It was mentioned in the game several times. Dr. Odine is one example that i can remember but I'm not sure now.
And besides a witch can't die without passing her powers on to someone. She will walk restless like a ghost until she finds a fitting person.
But all of the points are still vague, no matter from which standpoint you see it, because there seem to be several differences in the Game Versions or rather the Translations.
hey, but remember, Ultimecia and Squall go back into the past and Ultimecia passes down her powers to Edea, which makes the whole story repeat itself. and Ultimecia came from a future where Squall died. Rinoa became a witch when the witch in space(i think her name is Adelle) controlled her. So Squall dying, Rinoa is and will always be a witch.
@FinalFantasy992 Says you. Squaresoft nor Square Enix ever said she wasn't. There is no verifiable proof saying so.In fact, all you have is a bunch of naysayers nay saying. That isn't proof, that's popular opinion.
@DRAGONCLAN1000 Squall forgets everything. Ultimecia destroyes his memories, even the memory of his own face. He is allowed to remember only Ultimecia face. Forever.
@FinalFantasy992 That is your interpretation. Anyway, this Ultimecia/ Linoa theory is far from impossible. At the very least, we have to grant it as much possibility as its contrary. Too many arguments and assumptions lead the attentive player to uncover the secret. In FF8, but also lately in Dissidia. Squall saying to Ultimecia : "I came to fulfill my promise" and her answer "Shall we dance", or the fact Ultimecia is using Rinoa's weapons in Dissidia... these are solid arguments ;)
It was probably just my imagination or right after squall touches the feather at about 0.40 to 0.46 when Rinoa's image is shaking does her hair start to take on the marks of Ultimecia?
@FuckingPerfectx If any of these are Ultimecia (which I'm pretty sure none are because the creaters even confirmed that she isn't, so why are people even trying to prove it xD) But Quistis nor Ellone can't because they're not soceresses. I mean yeah Ellone does have power but no one said she was a soceress, and why would you even name Quistis as a culprit?? That makes no sence whatsoever!! :/
@FinalFantasy992 Well, look at it like this. Ellone and Ultimecia share a goal in common. That want to change the past. Ellone is the only one who can revert into the past. Ultimecia is a time witch from the future. Sometimes your greatest enemy could be yourself, but if you played through the game you can see a lot of hints that point to Ellone as Ultimecia then Rinoa.
@FinalFantasy992 maybe she need Ellone's Time Telepathy to compress time without being able to decompress and besides which Time Zone is Ultimecia is gonna compress I'm pretty sufre its only one
Besides the shitty English (I'm sorry for the rough language but it's true), I enjoyed reading/seeing your arguments. I personally don't really care either way. I think that it is more fun thinking of Ultimecia as Rinoa and vice versa. It deepens the plot to a great extent, even beyond the time lines of the game itself. Again though, I enjoyed this film of yours :)
i agree with you, the castle is probably flying over the ocean, and not over the orphanage. But you missed a lot of important facts that could prove ultimecia is rinoa(cuz i'm not 100% sure she is)
I can't take the fans theories anymore! They were mess up with my head! I am really need a member of square enix show up and explain everything...
OneSephiroth 2 days ago
She is not because she wouldn't hurt squall or try to kill herself or her friends
EAchankre 2 months ago
Squaresoft nor Square Enix have EVER said anything about the Rinoa Equals Ultimecia Theory. The only thing naysayers have is some guide made by a THIRD PARTY company that went bankrupt years ago. Square never addressed, nor denied, the argument.
MagatsutheCalamity 2 months ago
well square made an official statement that Rinoa ain't Ultimecia...but that aside the theory itself is nicely put xD
DaemonRiku00 2 months ago
the creator of ff8 stated rinao isnt ultimecia or the other way around ^^
rachet811 3 months ago
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I am stunned by the bad faith of certain players. To say that there is no proof is the proof of such blindness... OO
Even if you don't believe the theory, how can you deny the clues in the game ? To say that there is no proof or assumptions of Rinoa being Ultimecia in FF8, is like saying that Aristotle's syllogism is a worthless concept, denying thousands of years of western philosophy. Lol.
Zuxilbaja 3 months ago
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Zuxilbaja 3 months ago
I didn't bought the ending video argument, and you debunked it clearly ^^
However, to say that it is "impossible" is a little too much. There are leads, which are not proofs, like the promises, the dialogs, the "loop theory' etc...
It is still possible, and not that unlickly, but it's part of le legend of FF 8.
We'll never know for sure
Contevent 3 months ago 2
Let me clear things up. Ultimecia is not Ellone or Rinoa. She is her own person. First off, if you know that right after the battle with Adele, Laguna and even the company has stated that Ultimecia is from a time that is "MANY GENERATIONS" ahead of the game's time. How long? Many people tend to say that one generation would equal to 20-25 years. Donot try to say that one generation is good enough. Look at the word, "MANY GENERATIONS". Squall and Rinoa and the others will be dead long after.
HighSummonerBWM 3 months ago
@HighSummonerBWM It doesn't matter if Ellone shares a similar goal in wanting to change the past, it doesn't mean that they are the same person. Besides, at the end of the video, you can see that Ellone is happy with where she is standing. As for Rinoa, let me state this. How old is Ultimecia? Did anyone of you ever questioned that? She may have white hair but she sure doesn't look old old. I also want to state that the sorceress powers does not keep one immortal. Since it does not, she will die
HighSummonerBWM 3 months ago
@HighSummonerBWM I don't think that Rinoa=Ultimecia but the point that everyone would be dead in Ultimecias Time isn't necessarily right. Several Times it is mentioned that a witch/sorceress lives very long.
And since Rinoa is one this point would make sense.
Nevertheless there are so many points that countering the Ulti=Rinoa Theory. One of the most evident point for me is the fact that she wants to use the Time Compression where only Witches can survive.
Akriema 2 months ago
@Akriema No where does it states that sorceresses can live very long. May you please point that out as to where you found or heard of it? Besides, Adel is a sorceress but she felt her age and that she knew that she will have to pass on her powers once she dies.
HighSummonerBWM 2 months ago
@HighSummonerBWM It was mentioned in the game several times. Dr. Odine is one example that i can remember but I'm not sure now.
And besides a witch can't die without passing her powers on to someone. She will walk restless like a ghost until she finds a fitting person.
But all of the points are still vague, no matter from which standpoint you see it, because there seem to be several differences in the Game Versions or rather the Translations.
Akriema 2 months ago
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HighSummonerBWM 3 months ago
hey, but remember, Ultimecia and Squall go back into the past and Ultimecia passes down her powers to Edea, which makes the whole story repeat itself. and Ultimecia came from a future where Squall died. Rinoa became a witch when the witch in space(i think her name is Adelle) controlled her. So Squall dying, Rinoa is and will always be a witch.
ostrichelephantexist 4 months ago
@ostrichelephantexist Rinoa is a witch, but isn't Ultimecia.
FinalFantasy992 4 months ago
@FinalFantasy992 Says you. Squaresoft nor Square Enix ever said she wasn't. There is no verifiable proof saying so.In fact, all you have is a bunch of naysayers nay saying. That isn't proof, that's popular opinion.
MagatsutheCalamity 2 months ago
@ostrichelephantexist rinoa received her powers afterwards
+the time loop ended when they killed ultimecia in the future.
noasdsaatana 1 week ago
@noasdsaatana it can't be because Ultimecia gives her powers to Edea, thus replaying everything
ostrichelephantexist 6 days ago
@ostrichelephantexist yes but that doesnt mean that ultimecia lives...it just set inmotion her own destruction..
because only her POWERS transformed to edea not her SOUL or herself.
thus the whole talk about cycle is (as the infamous penn used to say) bullshit
noasdsaatana 6 days ago
If you pause right before the part with Rinoa in space at 4:53 you can see Squall without a face what does this mean?
DRAGONCLAN1000 5 months ago
@DRAGONCLAN1000 Squall forgets everything. Ultimecia destroyes his memories, even the memory of his own face. He is allowed to remember only Ultimecia face. Forever.
FinalFantasy992 5 months ago
@FinalFantasy992 That is your interpretation. Anyway, this Ultimecia/ Linoa theory is far from impossible. At the very least, we have to grant it as much possibility as its contrary. Too many arguments and assumptions lead the attentive player to uncover the secret. In FF8, but also lately in Dissidia. Squall saying to Ultimecia : "I came to fulfill my promise" and her answer "Shall we dance", or the fact Ultimecia is using Rinoa's weapons in Dissidia... these are solid arguments ;)
Zuxilbaja 3 months ago
@FinalFantasy992 Ultimecia was dead by that time. Squall lost his memories because he was trapped outside of time. Get your facts right.
MagatsutheCalamity 2 months ago
he was supposed to imagine himself in the time that he desired. what if he was thinking about how everything started?
wingy158 7 months ago
wow, decent scholarship, but this has to be the worst english I've ever read.
NuclearRadio 9 months ago
@NuclearRadio Google Translate's fault, sorry
FinalFantasy992 9 months ago
@NuclearRadio people who prefer style over substance thinks like u
psychoguy06 9 months ago
@crosswire7777 Quistis can't be her!!! She's not even a sorcerress!
TwilighterThe1st 9 months ago
@TwilighterThe1st That's Right.
FinalFantasy992 9 months ago
@TwilighterThe1st uhh what the hell.. that is so random. why did you even quote me on that statement?
crosswire7777 9 months ago
@crosswire7777 Lol sorry. I was on my Ipod at the time so yeahh.... Sorrehh.
TwilighterThe1st 9 months ago
It was probably just my imagination or right after squall touches the feather at about 0.40 to 0.46 when Rinoa's image is shaking does her hair start to take on the marks of Ultimecia?
sawfan25 10 months ago
@sawfan25 Sorry i can't see what you said.
FinalFantasy992 9 months ago
Ok here are the Ultimecia Culprits:
Rinoa Heartilly
Quistis Trepe
Ellone Loire
I have no idea if which one of them is Ultimecia
FuckingPerfectx 10 months ago
@FuckingPerfectx No one xD
Ultimecia is Ultimecia as Edea is Edea as Adele is Adele.
Witches don't change their name
FinalFantasy992 9 months ago
@FuckingPerfectx If any of these are Ultimecia (which I'm pretty sure none are because the creaters even confirmed that she isn't, so why are people even trying to prove it xD) But Quistis nor Ellone can't because they're not soceresses. I mean yeah Ellone does have power but no one said she was a soceress, and why would you even name Quistis as a culprit?? That makes no sence whatsoever!! :/
TwilighterThe1st 9 months ago
Who believes that Ultimecia could be Ellone?
Gerious120 11 months ago
@Gerious120 It's impossible because the aim of Ultimecia is Ellione's powers.
FinalFantasy992 9 months ago
@FinalFantasy992 Well, look at it like this. Ellone and Ultimecia share a goal in common. That want to change the past. Ellone is the only one who can revert into the past. Ultimecia is a time witch from the future. Sometimes your greatest enemy could be yourself, but if you played through the game you can see a lot of hints that point to Ellone as Ultimecia then Rinoa.
Gerious120 9 months ago
@Gerious120 thts wat i meant thnx
FuckingPerfectx 9 months ago
@Gerious120 But if Ellione is Ultimecia, why Ultimecia need to go into the past to take Ellione's powers?
FinalFantasy992 8 months ago
@FinalFantasy992 maybe she need Ellone's Time Telepathy to compress time without being able to decompress and besides which Time Zone is Ultimecia is gonna compress I'm pretty sufre its only one
FuckingPerfectx 7 months ago
what do think about the new squall is dead theory? they say he died when edea pierced him with the ice fragment. details are on squallsdead com
crosswire7777 11 months ago
@crosswire7777 I don't agree with this theory.
FinalFantasy992 9 months ago
Besides the shitty English (I'm sorry for the rough language but it's true), I enjoyed reading/seeing your arguments. I personally don't really care either way. I think that it is more fun thinking of Ultimecia as Rinoa and vice versa. It deepens the plot to a great extent, even beyond the time lines of the game itself. Again though, I enjoyed this film of yours :)
Uvangren 1 year ago
@Uvangren Sorry, but this is the traslation of "Google Traslate". I hadn't more time to traslate it.
FinalFantasy992 1 year ago
I don't think it's impossible
i agree with you, the castle is probably flying over the ocean, and not over the orphanage. But you missed a lot of important facts that could prove ultimecia is rinoa(cuz i'm not 100% sure she is)
Shinzoken 1 year ago
@Shinzoken Which?
FinalFantasy992 1 year ago
@FinalFantasy992 i've made a video, take a look at it
but there is: 1. Griever
2. The bosses in Ultimecia castle
3. Memory loss due to GF junctionning
Shinzoken 1 year ago
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shaos666 1 year ago
@shaos666 and so?
FinalFantasy992 1 year ago