Swartentruber Amish Need More Lights on Their Buggies

[Jerrid3]

I know of many authors who said when talking to the Amish they would tell the children or even parents about the movies and that was fine, it is like telling a story. It is just that the children or parents would not be able to watch it. Same goes for a Amish man loving baseball, but he could not have a TV or even a radio to watch or listen to the games and he was fine with that. But how are you going about getting the Amish to get their buggies lighted?

[mrdeleted]

@Jerrid3 Well it is tough to be honest, but it would be ideal if I could get more support in maybe a bill that would change things. A few years ago the Swartz Amish were forced to add a 2nd light on their buggies, and they fought it hard, but they lost. So the odd response from the church leaders was that they would do it, but would require the members to put one of the buggy's lights higher then the other to make sure they are not the same as higher order Amish.

[mrdeleted]

@Jerrid3 But still that was better then what was before. Maybe a little at a time we can get them to change. It is not about vanity, it is about safety. My brother was killed in a car-buggy crash when I was 2. It was however not related to lighting, it was related to drunk driving.

I am not going to make excuses for anyone, weather for drunk drivers, or for Amish people who put their own lives at stake and others by ignoring safety.

[Jerrid3]

And who is working for the common cause? At least by this video you only have about five posters and most I assume could care less. I actually do care, but more for the fact that the point you were trying to make was overshadowed by your driving and recording a video. Now that we have that out of the way, how exactly do you plan on getting the Swartzentruber Amish to comply? If not the state then how? They do not watch YouTube as far as I know unless something changed in Amish culture recently.

[mrdeleted]

@Jerrid3 My driving was not bad, however I was just getting used to that car, and it was was a little tricky, but no I did not come close to hitting anyone. Having that BS out of the way, this is not my only video on youtube on the subject. Millions have watched my videos, and I talk about the subject cause I am from the community.

As for the getting them to listen, I know for a fact that they do watch my stuff, or at the vary least have people watch mine, and AmishDeception's videos.

[mrdeleted]

@mrdeleted And this is not the only subject that I am concerned about in the Amish community, sure my Dad was paralyzed in his 4th car-buggy crash, 13 years ago, but another concern I have is child abuse.

[Jerrid3]

@mrdeleted

I do not know the history of your life, nor do I need to know, although you do have my condolences regarding your father. But from the books I have read and stuff on the internet, Amish do not use computers. Now unless something has changed recently or the books I have read were complete crap, I still do not think they watch Youtube. But yea, they could have non Amish watching it... that would not surprise me.

[mrdeleted]

@Jerrid3 Thanks, well I do know from David Yoder (Amishdeception is his username and he is my 3rd cousin) that Amish have been going on his website, and reading and posting on his old forum there too. I assume that they would do the same for anything that I post either on youtube or on my website. But lets be clear, I love my people, and do not have a desire to hurt anyone. I rather would like them to fix these issues rather then be posting videos about them that could be perceived as negative.

[mrdeleted]

@Jerrid3 As for the books, it is hard to say, some are based at least in part on some Amish groups, and then there are some that are pure fiction. Obviously the ideal would be if the Author actually knew some Amish, but then again, there are many Amish groups, so from one group to the next, the rules are not all the same. In fact some of the more modern Amish use the computers more then some "English" people would, by going to the library. I have seen them go there to print stuff out Etc..

[Jerrid3]

@mrdeleted

It was from my understanding that the Amish never use electricity, cars or electronics. Now with the world becoming more modern and farming less ideal for the Amish, I have heard that men will get rides from people with cars, but they will not drive themselves and will work in factories far away with lights and electric machinery etc. But I never heard of them straight up using a computer. But I do know that some use covers for their buggies like in your video and some forbid it.

[mrdeleted]

@Jerrid3 Yes some would hire drivers, I was myself one of their drivers for a time being (Not Swartz, they are not that modern) it was a Old Order group. They owned the truck, and would drive it around, but just not more then maybe next door. They had "photoless IDs". Personally I had not heard of them till I worked for them.

[mrdeleted]

@Jerrid3 One question, what state are you from? Here in Ohio they do allow it both way with the top-buggies, I had not heard of any groups that don't allow it, but then again, there are some that only allow white or yellow buggies, as opposed to black. And Mennonite groups that only allow black cars. Personally I think a white buggy would be easier to see then a black one.

[Jerrid3]

@mrdeleted

I am from NJ. From one book I have read they were saying certain ones did not allow for tops and if it rained they had to use umbrellas. And none of the books I have read mentioned they could be white, only black buggies. If I could remember the name of the books I would tell you. One was a cook book though with half of it just the authors experience while getting the info over the years. But they were always plain dressed, no electricity, no electronics etc... Old Order Amish?

[Jerrid3]

So was this video about bad Amish driving or yours? Now some states require the Amish to use bigger reflectors. I would suggest getting with your state or county to see what can be done. Also if you live in Amish country I would suggest you keep a look out for them. Yes a lantern when dark could be used and would be useful. Other wise bicycles would require battery lights instead of just reflectors. Lastly, if you are not the actual maker of this video and you just posted it than my apologies.

[mrdeleted]

As for talking to the state, find using the media is a lot more effective then trying to be a one man calling the state. I would rather post videos on youtube and get a lot of people working for a common cause rather then talking to state people myself.

And BTW higher order Amish do agree with me on this issue, that they should have more lights, it is just the Swartzentruber Amish that does not allow their members to put more lights on their buggies.

[Jerrid3]

You do realize there are more accidents with stupid people driving while drunk/buzzed, talking on a cell phone, driving while texting and driving while recording a video than with the Amish and their buggies.

Now you sound a little drunk or buzzed in the video (If that is how you naturally sound then my apologies.) and it would appear that you, the driver, are actually recording this while you are driving... so that would mean you are worse than the group you are attacking.

[mrdeleted]

@Jerrid3 Hello Mr. Idiot, Sorry that my Amish accent sounds drunk to you. And no I was not attacking my people, rather I was pointing out that one group of Amish, the one I grew up with, needs to focus more on safety. That they need to start to be more like their more modern Old Order groups that DO focus more on the safety, by putting battery lights on their buggies rather then oil lanterns. And more reflectors etc.

[Jerrid3]

@mrdeleted

Why hello there Mr Idiot driver who wants to record a video while he is driving endangering other people's lives while talking about a group of people endangering others. Not a bright idea. You could have simply had a friend in the passenger seat hold the camera for you or you could have gotten out of your car and took the same video. But I guess you endangering other motorists while driving and making a video about it was better. And about your accent, my apologies.

[Recumbentz]

Other 1/2 hit one last night in Mn. All ok. Triangle wouldn't have helped as the buggy pulled into traffic without stopping.Just glad no one hurt. Buggy found @ fault for accident.

[mrdeleted]

Thanks for the report. Sadly it does not seem that these people are paying attention to the world when we say it is about safty...

[MrMultiAlber]

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[thizizliz]

Wow - I understand that they don't want electric lights and such but how about a lantern? And as you say - reflectors. How dare they endanger others as well as their own? That's just wrong. If you drove around with your kids and no lights on, you'd be guilty of child endangerment. Why aren't they?

[prettylilpandagirl]

Wow, you would think safety above all would rule out, huh Joe :)

[mrdeleted]

@prettylilpandagirl ya well as pointed out, these people don't seem to think of safety.

[prettylilpandagirl]

@mrdeleted That is scary and sad :(

[KarateKommando]

Thanks for sharing!