Guide to Piano - Good vs Bad Playing

[OrbitalEnterprise]

I've wondered this, but, do people use the sustain pedal when they play? Cos I use it a lot, not on some classical pieces of course.

[bluepegasus55]

thank you love that was amazing ;D

[slinky971]

i used to be that good at piano but then i took an arrow to the knee

[vxassassin]

@slinky971 bawwww

[THEDISABLEDFERRET]

@slinky971 FUCK YOU GREGORY, FUCK YOU RIGHT IN THE EAR!!

[ModKn1ght]

@slinky971 Watch this, then go die. /watch?v=mSDfxde8fSg

[x21x36]

Co ja pACZE co mnie to intersuje kurwa ! . Poland nice girls

[rekips112233]

durna baba, w drugiej wersji uzywa pedałów i sie kiwa

[dzikikapitalizm]

No gooseflesh vs. gooseflesh. I understand the difference now. Thank you!

[Mrwilnyl]

@dzikikapitalizm isn´t it goosebumps?

[dzikikapitalizm]

@Mrwilnyl

Maybe, I'm not an English speaking person.

[predoje]

This is like watching retarded person talking and playing nonsence.

[RJ4989]

@predoje Thumbs up for irony!

[predoje]

Bad piano playing is YOU!!!

[Doopnerdz]

i play differently, i play as i sing to the song, like for example i play and sing to help by the beatles, i dont play the melody, just the chords and bass notes so i think it would look a bit stupid if i did that. I played imagine by john lennon in front of my whole class and i used the pedals to make endings and carry on the note. is this bad piano playing or just a different type of playing? thanks

[don1carter]

Yes indeed, I get your point and you are so correct. Still, I'd be happy if I could play as well as the broken robot.

[asbm90]

I wish my good was your bad lady!

[faleru]

she is wrong, the first version was very expressive, it was like a very angry person was playing and saying " danm beethoven... damn elise... i hate you so much..." XD

[friedchicken1981]

she's the best worst player :)

[Cyrix166]

Some people who only play in private get enjoyment out of "bad" playing from the sole satisfaction of being able to say "i can play that". Don't cut them down.

[Rachmanfan4life]

@MsBerryMary You actually couldn't be more wrong. There is connection, expression, phrasing, point, counterpoint....all of which clearly express "good" technique and clarity of harmonic expression. It doesn't matter what type of music...classical, jazz, whatever.....this all translates into "good" playing or bad. You may wish to learn about music and theory before opening your mouth and making ignorant comments.

[FireFoxAI]

everyone here is an idiot lolololololol

[xFaIIenAngel]

it made me lol. even with her so called ''feeling'' she played it robotically. ESSPECIALLY this piece should have such diversed accelerandos and their oposites. soooo yeah. good playing bad playing in her opinion is pure bullshit. seriously, should we play mozart sonate k545 like elize second time here? imagine that.

[poorusernamechoice]

One of the key aspects of playing well (other than the obvious use of expression), is phrasing. You can tell the second time that she plays the piece that each note is either going to or from (or both) another note so that all of the notes are connected.

[ramonfw]

(There is some german guy arguing that Für Elise was not written by Beethoven. I have to read more about it, but it wouldn't be such a surprise. I don't think it sounds like him anyway.)

[Marianofrv]

simply said: thank you

[MCMAK9]

Sometimes when I play Piano pieces, I literally get moved by the Piano for example, we all saw in this video how she was playing Fur Elise, that happens to me sometimes automatically.

[jklmnop9999]

i wouldn't necessarily call that bad playing, it's just whether you can play it with your own personal expression to your full potential.

[niepce38]

how you type is more important than what you type

[MINIMI95020]

omg its gollum playing piano

[pauloraskolnikov]

@MINIMI95020 ur an asshole

[Farky1413]

@MINIMI95020 Hahahahahah Good Thinkin'

[afertyus1000]

@MINIMI95020 lol

[ytrsyt]

there is no such thing as good and bad.. there are different styles..

[otharennaur]

@ytrsyt Of course tere's a good and bad playing. Maybe sounds rude but a bad player sounds lifeless and boring. A good player keeps the audience's attention and uses different colors and textures on it's music. Otherwise, why should we spend so many years studying, repeating and perfecting the same piece?

[lukefenderrhodes]

you know music is real if you feel it what is music to people that cant read music it is still music, someones bad playing would be the other persons good playing

[Jusman010]

@ytrsyt Umm so what kind of style would you call her first version then?

[ryuu304]

ahhhh....rubato.

One of the hardest things ever.

I can never get used to another person's rubato. I think expression is different for different people.

[phunkymunkyrulz]

She should've talked about the pedal a lot more. Especially if u wanna make it your own, and add your own emotions into the piece. It can do a LOT.

[grzegorz19plonka]

Gratulację twojej granie.

[az101010]

good point- very intelligent..

[spaceorbison]

Wow I just learned something. I want to give that little lady a bear hug.

[aikobabi]

what a difference

[Dozerbeatz]

You guys are taking the "Good and Bad" literal. Sure, for practicing, and learning the piece, you will be mechanical, and "Robotish"...but once you can play the piece without worries, and really feel it, you can inject some of your own dynamic flavor. She is basically just saying to "make it your own", that is sounds "better" and more natural, if you add your own feelings to the piece. Maybe a bad choice of words, and a bad subject heading for this video.

[ManBearPiglet]

Nothing I haven't already learned from watching Voyager.

[MrJackanthony]

Sorry but in my opinion she is not much better than her definition of a 'bad' pianist. Or maybe she's just using a bad example. There are SO many different ways to express yourself musically not just my going off tempo and 'modulating' the volume. In case anyone didnt notice she played fur elise the 'good' way just as beethoven intended it to be played(Check an original score). The only thing I like about her playing is the way she flourishes her hands. At least she looks ike a pianist.

[paxwallacejazz]

Perhaps classical musicians (esp. pianists) should learn to improvise. The obsession with expressiveness has led to more than a few stilted over thought performances with a kind of unnatural flow or worse no flow.

[suckbar69]

@paxwallacejazz Most professional classical musicians can improvise. Pull your head out of your ass.

[JuyoNi]

i think that good piano playing means connectivity unless marked otherwise so liker her example

[pikkshit]

Music is about balance. Not everything has to be rubato to be "expressive". This music isn't too expressive either.

[maRleea]

is she trying to say that we have to play with the pedal && make it lively??

[camilocuesta]

So good playing means not respecting the tempo

[Lawrencelovespiano]

@camilocuesta No, good playing is, you do respect the tempo, you have to follow it, but you have to have passion, make some notes longer, play from your heart, it doesn't really sound catchy when you just play it with no feeling, add feeling to it, the song ends up like that. If there are songs that are normally minor then go to Major, when you make the transition slow, it stands out. Follow the tempo of the last notes in minor and pause then go to Major, it will stand out.

[faleru]

@Lawrencelovespiano are you saying we should simply change modes that are not in the score =S?

[SackHamster]

Nice!

You can tell the differnce!

[cesarbraga77]

Very nice. This is a very interesting video to be shown to students. I loved your damper pedal use. Also, very subtle feeling and key pressing control. Thank you very much.

[nereulebron]

Does "good piano playing" necessarily involve the use of the damper pedal? Great video, by the way.

[thatbastardson]

i think she needs to stop thinking about show, and start thinking about communication of ideas. nice job either way.

[gameflamer]

im self taught like a few of my friends but u can really tell the difference between someone taught and self tought and videos like this help over the last years ive grown to be able to play in a hart touching way instead of just hitting the notes. useing differnet pedals and different volumes so dont h8 theys videos :)

[todaparte]

Thank you madam, i show this video my dauther, because she dont understend it. by, sorry may bad english, I brasilian anda love, love, love classic piano music

[saleha250]

Most piano players must already be familiar with what is being said in the video. But Jeez guys, she's just offering some friendly advice.

A lot of self-taught pianists rely on videos like these, simply because they may not have a teacher for some one-on-one experience. I know I do!

[cav0129]

if you play the piano in the "bad version" as she put it, there would be no point to music. people play music for enjoyement and for expressiveness, by playin very flat and boring you are essentially butchering music.....everyone has theyre own interperatations and opinions but take in consideration the message trying to be conveyed through the piece..... and those of you saying she cant tell what is good and bad blah blah blah... you are evidently untrained in music whatsoever

[naskotennis]

@cav0129 very well said ! :)

[preston9019]

@cav0129 i think people are confusing just playing their own original music "bad" and this section bad. if a person plays the selection bad then yeah they are missing the point of the selection but you can not say all playing like that is bad as that is subjective.

[cezaryolszewski]

In art there is room for every interpretation. How come this lady is telling is what is good and what is bad-it is her and only her opinion. Maybe she also knows what is good formula 1 driving and what is bad formula 1 driving. In China alone, where she probably lives, there are 47 milion better or worse pianists - if only 1% of them is going to tell us what is good and what is bad playing we will have 1000 Guilliard Schols of Music in Shanghai alone. Congratulations.

[chinonononozu]

your opinion is wrong. I can prove it.

[matiquielma]

She Should've said that the pedals help a lot.

[hoffritz22]

@matiquielma haha yea...its like no shit lady...I'm partial to Yamaha I dunno wtf shes playing on

[Pianoguy32]

@matiquielma Pedals come into play after the inteligent art and expression have been thought into the music. Often, pedals are used to make up for a lacking in legato.

[luigiperso]

thank you so much,your second performance certainly touched my heart and the point you made was stellar! I need to understand these things as much as possible as a beginner-improver

[B4nzai]

good vid

[fredahu17]

lol when I played fur elise when I was 9, it sounded like the bad version

[ExpressStaveNotation]

Well, both versions are actually INACCURATE, in the section where E octaves lead to D# and Es just before the return of the theme. In the first, 'bad' playing, there are too few beats of the D# to Es. In the 'good' playing, there are too many octave Es, as well as too few D# to Es. Beethoven would not be pleased!

[Stehnz]

how would you know if Beethoven wd not be pleased?

u speak to dead people ?

[matiquielma]

That's not the point of the video.

[MichaelNormanMusic]

Very good thanks for the tip

[hoohwa]

bad choice. i don't know a single person that likes that song.

[Dicebox]

Meet the first guy who likes it *g*

[0blacone]

Well.. everyone knows it.. - and i am not agreeing to your "bad choice"

[DaveSolazzo]

the first time really wasnt that bad--ive heard much worse. but the second time was beautiful!

[OpulenceOfKnowledge]

You're HOT!!!

[Quetzalcoatl09]

Thanks for the lesson,realy good......

[homerboy488]

What a fucking whack job.

[dluu13]

haha the "bad" sounds like a midi

[Stehnz]

some midi files (recorded by real musicians) and played back with a very good sampler can be wonderful really

i have a midi version of moonlight sonata and its quite incredible how good it sounds, the player was really inspired

[pingpongengineer]

the girl before my lesson always played this song. Kathy Seibert do you still play this from time to time?

[fielmaso]

mööpp nichts neues

[GilgameshFFpianobuff]

I hate that song...

[Kofering1978]

yes, yes what was that smacking the piano with the lefthand. Also the first think the teacher tells to the students to sit up straight. Should be against the law to play only the beginning of Für Elise.

Wish I could hear her playing the rest of the piece.

[tlestourgeon34]

haha...i think your just a little to into it...especially with all those little hand flicks

[jonescrusher1]

You're a fool

[wolffrankenstein]

I think you're right. Too much dramatics or playing with "feeling" can also really detract from the piece itself. Of course there's more than just hitting the right notes, but do not confuse the important dynamic aspects of the piano with exaggerated expression!

[Legend037]

she scares me

[ralf89]

nice playing der!!!

[brn3mo]

shes the fashion lady from the incredibles

[fairiesinparis]

Lol.

[jorgeandrade20]

you mean Edna?? Hahahah!!!!

[smooth306]

beautiful

[troglodyto]

wow nice..

[TheLegoMan1]

what make of piano is that? it has lovely sound.

[terenz2007]

hello! can you send me the music sheet of fur elise please! my email is fast2lvlup @ yahoo . com thanks!

[llesmeiriol]

Rubato is necessary in most romantic pieces. Don't use rubato in baroque music, though, because it isn't reuired, only a slight pulling back at the very end of a piece. Rubato depends on what genre of music you're playing really.

[hkmilkteawithtapioca]

the secret is in the wrists or arm, not the fingers

[pianoboyo]

The secret is in your inner hearing and conception of sound... you can only transmit what you desire to. Good technique requires a perfect synthesis of brain, ears, arms, back, wrists fingers and also importantly FEET! But if you have nothing to express and no desire for beauty you cant achieve it with good fingers wrists or arms.

NB - in some repertoire the secret is fingers and minimal arm/wrist intervention. My belief is that the weight principle isnt blanket but rather situational.

[ConnieDaEvilCow]

question, so is rubato good or bad?

rubato - streching & shortening rhymth (not being even)

and isn't playing mechanically even?

[pianoboyo]

The question isnt is rubato good or bad.. the question is 'is rubato appropriate to aid musical understanding? does it aid or hinder the composers indications? does it allow the music to breath or does it suffocate it? These are questions that are unique to every piece yo ever study. this is why we must become musical detectives.

[kpunkt]

That's a very good explanation!