Bisu vs Fantasy - Avalon MSL - Ro16, D1, Jul 9th (Trippple)

[xillonz]

Can someone explain to me why Terrans need less expansions?

[Sc2ggrocks]

i have to ssay,flash could beat bisu. life time is like flash beating bisu 11-1orsomething... flash's tvp is one f the best while bisu isnt really that great on pvt. bisu is famous for his pvz the most

[BisuDMan]

your obviously a flash fanboy.. haha.. theyre both good ya know.. it would be battle of the titans if theyre both in their form

[RealmEternal]

Rise is right. On any normal day, Bisu cannot even be touched by Fantasy, he is a level higher.

[mechwarrior13]

flash in his form can pwn bisu any day!

[HumanStrategy]

I see. You must be new. Flash is a monster but still on the same S-class level as Bisu. They are both ridiculous. At that point it's simply a matter of bias.

[Fiddlestickz1]

Toss Lee dominates!

[endplanets]

very awsome

[endplanets]

great match

[feelee15]

just because you talk fast doesnt make you a good commentator.....

[Chrijz]

Wow, the loser of this game got rolled over.

SPOILER! It's maybe a revenge since the embarrassing 3-0 loss since their last matches :)

[jplate8]

Does it seem like Klaz is out of it for the entire commentary? He lacks his usual excitement.

[H4L0GaNGT4R]

I couldn't look :(

[clifferd2001]

terrible match....

[userasdf]

yeah where was fantasy's army? had all those based but no troops.

[skillspua99]

ouch, as a terran I felt every blow that Fantasy took. He must be shattered after a defeat like that.... brutal

Its so much harder for team mates because they obviously play against each other all day every day.

[justinyh7]

"SEE YA GU- oh... sorry klaz"

haha

<3 rise

[funnybananaman94]

what happened to the fantasy that 3-0'd bisu last OSL?

really hope he shows up in games 2 and 3, cause that fantasy is AWESOME

[Kloster18]

**SPOILERS***

fantasy never macrod wtf...

[pooptrain92]

yeah i completely agree. i really wanted to see his resource count. i feel like he threw the game away or something.

[ReDbEaN87]

So boring to see Bisu matchups.. He always win..

[zhadez10]

you wanna see loosers fight ?

[ReDbEaN87]

Didnt say that =P

I just want to see the opponents stay a chance

[redeye117]

... The trick for Terran to beat Protoss.. Is that they must achieve Critical mass for Tanks.. And fantasy wasted to much resources on teching, and all those unsucessful drops..

[tuckHOGsc]

effort may be able to beat bisu (re: rise' comment at 5:20~) he has been playing well

[kai9001]

Zomg 2:55 my gaydar went mental at "Both players going to come across each other's face" :O

[m0rfans]

Nothing to do with the game, but if anyone here is Korean or understands Korean names, how should i adrress someone (a colleague) informally? Say his name was "Lee Jae Dong", for example. Lee is the family name so I shouldn't call him Lee, but should it be "Jae", "Dong", "Jae Dong" or the full "Lee Jae Dong"? (Obviously the person I'm going to see isn't Jaedong, but I'd like to avoid making a dick of myself if possible...) :-)

[TipZfox]

looks like a thrown match

[Bryee94]

oh i no what the translation was it was iloveoov to bisu- if u scout him first your going to win... to fantasy- if u scout him first your going to win

[HwarangOfFaith]

lol yeah he really got face-stomped.

[meskalin64]

Why is the screen so small, almost half the size it could be.

[dwagon41]

looks beautiful on full screen

[DrunkZergling]

Starcraft is 10 years old. It's set to one resolution. If you try to expand it, it looks like crap.

[meskalin64]

Yes i know its and old game with low resolution but i was refering to the youtube window. I has blacks around it.

[DrunkZergling]

If they expand the image to fill the black area everything looks blocky and gross. The only solutions are to make a gross looking video, put a silly picture in there that distracts from the action or leave it black. I knew what you meant the first time.

[meskalin64]

They other videos looks good so why not.

[lilxleftee]

lol man you guys instigate so much >_>

they should eliminate "better" from the dictionary -- it just causes way too much havoc with a vague ass word like that

"Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan!"

"Coke is better than Pepsi!"

"Jaedong is better than Savior!"

yadda yadda yadda~

[SovietSR71]

bisu giving the finger

ftw

[zazhaftw]

Im suprised Klazart said "Stacy's" and not "freeze" witch he usually sais :D

[tinsleyjamaal]

fantasy sucks

[stormscion]

Very good commentary !

[Tillysouth]

Did klazart say that a high templar drop would be a smarter idea? Does he know that you have to upgrade storm? That takes some time, by that time the game will be halfway in midgame.

Fantasy is better than Bisu. It looked like he gave this game.

[Snoophawaii]

If you go back and listen that is pretty much exactly what he said.

I am not really sure how Fantasy is better then Bisu considering Bisu has all of the titles and Fantasy has some silver.

[SSdraken]

if Fantasy is better than BiSu, why does he have no titles

[shaoyuhui]

maybe cuz hes been playin for like 5 yrs? dumbfuck

[SSdraken]

Fuck off you dick, I simply said why does Fantasy have no titles if he is better than BiSu. No need to get so aggressive about it you fucking arab

[Nebulak187]

lol what up with u kids. and of course bisu has more titles because he has been around longer... but who knows if fantasy can sustain such top lvl play for as long as bisu did

[lordaeron86]

Bisu won several titles in his first 3 years of playing professionally. fantasy been around for 2+ years now and only won one msl so far, so bisu IS still ahead even if you account for the time played difference. not to mention if you ask any korean most will say Bisu is better.

[ig33ve]

fantasy has made it close twice tho.. but right now fantasy would beat bisu every time.. pvt is bisu's worst matchup while tvp is arguably fantasy's best..

[Subvers1ve]

I agree dude. It was like the stupidest comment I've ever heard. And Snoop is wrong, he said the energy for storm would take a while - Tilly is right, he seemed to completely overlook the need to upgrade it. This is an example of the tiny amount of knowledge Klazart actually has. To the guy who said that Rise knows less - what a joke. He speaks more clearly, is funnier and knows more about the game. I like Klazart but sometimes u can just hear the pain in Cholera's voice when they do duals.

[teh0rc7mac]

Fail at life? the upgrade is 120 time and temps are 50 time. temps need 75 nrgy to cast a storm. assuming that once the archives finishes bisu starts 2 temps and the storm, the temps should have at least 2 storms (150 nrgy) by the time they reach fantasy's base as psi storm finishes. This is only about 100 seconds delay later then the DT drops. Even giving fantasy turrets, storms are instant SCV kills. You have obviously never played starcraft so just stick to tic tac toe as your strategy game.

[Tillysouth]

I dont know the exact timings how long it takes till storm etc but I do know it takes longer time than dt. So there IS a reason why

pros dont do storm drops in the early game (they test every possible build..).

I am a great Klazart fan but sometimes I question his insight in the game. But that doesnt mean he is bad orso.

[DaR3b3L]

why did bisu give the middle finger? lol

[n8iveidiot13]

its like a thumbs up to americans :]

[Plyte456]

The irish(sounds irish) guy speaks waaaay to fast

[MKChosen13]

Talk about anti-climatic... the guy who lost played so so bad... he got completely embarrassed ^^

[MyMEsKay]

Klaz your my hero your such a good commentator

[Yakotala]

Isnt it obviously, Fantasy deliberately lost. OMG SCANDAL

[Mayku5]

Klaz is the definition itself of a LIVE sport caster. If you guys are looking for theory, read articles on forums or watch replay or game tutorials. But LIVE match is all about the feeling and the things happening before your eyes and Klaz understands that.

I love his comm and sometimes, I listen to him without watching the game because he describes the battle so well that you can see it, but more : you feel it.

[0rkrist]

I've got to agree. Started watching CHolera & Rise most of the time, since Klazart was a little too serious about the game for my taste. Though, having him with one of the two mentioned above is really a great addition.

Great triple commentaries you guys!

[TouchofSyu]

rise and klazart are both epic

[liandzbergis]

fantasy must have slept with hyuk or sth. worst performance from a terran I've seen in a month.

[gotrice8]

Bisu had a golden opportunity for a mine drag with his DT on that scv line early but went for the tanks.

[SuperiorBeen]

4 factories late in the game? WTF?

[manudead454]

i think bisu only does good when he knows the other player is good other wise he thinks that he doesnt have to play his best and it screws him over

[spaceorbison]

Absolute rape.

[cpricejones]

was there any reason for fantasy to throw that game? i cant remember how group play works, but if bisu needed a win for a tie break, then i could see fantasy throwing the game for his teammate.

[r3z3nd3]

it's elimination brackets in what they're now. Bo3.

[RaiKageRyu]

MSL is Bisu's territory.

A stomping is what Fantasy will get throughout.

[HumanStrategy]

Has Fantasy ever won without a successful vulture harass? I just can't stand to see his play, it is painful to watch.

[edsfedsf]

I figured. You are braindead, after all

[HumanStrategy]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[frankyj009]

You guys are all good commentators individually, and when you add as second that makes for an interesting mixing and matching (so what do you think xxx, etc). However, all three of you guys is just too much, I felt that the commentary was lack-luster with all three. Two at a time works, and individually it works as well, but with all three of you, it breaks down. Just one man's opinion.

[methusalah2]

YES, RISE!

[ADayAtTheMaul]

Klazart cant even be compared to Rise and Diggity. I dont want to be mean, but it's like puting an amateur in the pro league.

[JohnnyChimpo577]

Uh, are you a retard? Klazart is the king

[7DarkTemplar7]

i hope you mean that rise and diggity are the amateurs, b/c klazart totally outclasses them imo. especially rise....

[hmstr]

klaz is way overrated, he's just ranting on about every thought he has, he doesn't have that good of a knowledge of the game, and his play by play is just annoying to listen to because he talks way too fast.

[hergy77]

...yes but because of Klaz's speed he can get his information in very quickly and also i like how he talks about other things so just click home if another klaz game comes back no one is making you watch this game

[hmstr]

I like to watch these ones, thanks. And btw, it doesn't matter how quickly you get the information out when the information is either totally unrelated or totally obvious.

[bronx43]

Klazart has is one of the more perceptive commentators out there, but it's impossible not to say some "totally obvious" filler during quiet times.

[lordaeron86]

are you kidding klazart is the opposite of a perceptive commentator. like another guy said he is a live play by play commentator he only commentates on what you can see with your own eyes. i've almost never heard him (or anyone) go in depth about builds or talk about specific strategies. with klazart its all analogies or some vague talk about what "style" the players seem to be using that game.

[Jukalaboo]

Tasteless is perceptive

[7DarkTemplar7]

i think rise is overrated his jokes arn't funny and half the time i listen to him, I just want klaz to do the same comm so I can listen to his superior knowledge of the game.

[Wega93]

Good for you for sharing, now go make a BLOG

[orville101191]

2 of my favorite players...

On one of my favorite maps..

commentated exelently...

GOOD TIMES!

but yeah, did seem a bit like Fantasy was iether not on form or was going easy on Bisu.

[Schlickk]

Uh...

[flyingwings8]

i think fantasy let bisu win... hahah skt rather have bisu move on then fantasy who knows haha

[NotSlayerSBoxer]

bisu: if I win I'll treat you to something

fantasy: mm... food

oov: FOOOOOD!

okay, that was stupid. In all seriousness I don't think fantasy let him win.

[getexxperience]

terrans have sucked recently

[stevethemacguy]

SPOILER

The loser played terribly this game IMO! He allowed his vultures to get whittled down here and there by not paying attention to them. He expanded too much and didn't get enough Factories. Basically, it was exactly like Fantasy vs Stork, but with reverse roles. Fantasy made the same mistakes that Stork did against him in the OSL. wtf fantasy!

[DwwwD]

wth? I could play better he didnt have any units ... wtf?

[whatjamacallit]

i agree, game looks thrown

[xapemanx]

18:27 bro rape . what are you doing bro

[KiNPiN1835]

where was fantasy's macro rofl?

[frydooo]

hey rise my man, bisu and jaedong being both on their top form as u said... jaedong would rape bisu. his play his way superior

[SC2GGRise]

i'm guessing you didn't see the game they just played against each other? :) i think it's up on violetak actually (played on 6/7/2009)

of course historically, jaedong is 7-6 vs bisu. still, it's too close to call, in my opinion.

[frydooo]

wow, first time that a commentator answers my comment :-)

indeed it would be close. definitely depending on each players form and mood. overall i think jaedong is the best, then bisu, then flash. but thats my opinion...

[edsfedsf]

when bisu is at his best he wins 100%. Dont you realise how false that is?

[Arckitekt]

Raped !

[AJ100885]

fantasy threw the game.

rise said it perfectly : "where are all fantasy's units?"

he seemed to just build up and then wait for death to come...if bisu knew what defences fantasy had throughout that game he could have won much earlier.

very disapointing game....

[HeLL12aiseR]

maybe Fantasy was tired, maybe he was on drugs, hangover or I dont know what. this game wasn't Bisu's win, it was Fantasy's loss! Bisu didn't do anything spectacular in this match, not even that DT drop and late game Arbiter play. it's just that Fantasy's macro went down the drain and his harassments were also very weak...

[Agabmut]

Almost looks like Fantasy threw the game for some reason, maybe he was afraid if he won that he wouldn't be able to take the tournament as well as Bisu could. He really seemed idle not doing much playing with some micro drops and weak vulture attacks really half-hearted play. Even seeing his expressions he didn't seem like he was really focused on winning, nor did he look very bothered by losing. "When the game is on the line, winners want the ball." And he obviously didn't.

[johnnythebrain]

19:02

"F*ck you fantasy."

[MikhailBortsov]

didn't fall for the illusion :)))))

[NETMR2]

Whoo Rise! Love you man! And Bisu Love you too man!

[Courthead]

Fantasy's macro and base management this game were beyond mediocre... it looks like me playing. How many SCVs do you count sitting around idle? 13:09, 13:42, 13:54, 14:19, 15:40, 16:44

[lazomaniac]

fok vizu

[seokkyu7]

fok u

[xkenagodx]

psi storm is the great equalizer

[playgrrrr]

great commentary. one-sided game. :(

[Mendelevium146]

what did rise say at the end?

[SC2GGRise]

"oooooooh klazart had something good to say too. alright i'll see you guys in the next commentary, hope you enjoyed... GG!"

[Mendelevium146]

tks

[JOEMAMA5905]

hello rise!

[SC2GGRise]

hello!

[redninjastarx]

There is no such thing as top form in a dynamic sport like progaming.

[silencia08]

man he threw the game its so obvious u guys don't even need to praise any1 this game is an insult to any decent player

[MapleTKD]

build factories, please just build more factories!!!!

[Scybes]

Its sad that the video has Rise-i-nitis, as in the video format is TINY

[bronx43]

I don't understand why any protoss goes reaver harass against fantasy. You KNOW he's going that early starport to get that wraith, then transitions into vulture harass. Good job by Bisu to not dedicate too much into the harass game, and transition smoothly into arbiter tech.

[brittlebrit187]

Great game, excellent to see Bisu in top form.

What do people consider the great equalizer for Protoss: Psionic Storms or Statis Field?

[7DarkTemplar7]

storm vs Z stasis v T

[HeLL12aiseR]

tell that to JangBi and his ninja squad of HTs hidden inside a shuttle. this ninja squad of HTs just obliterates Terran mech balls like there's no tommorow.

P.S part of the reason why JangBi is slumping nowadays is because he forgot Protoss has access to HT and that he's the Storm King!

[Endurethetootheache]

Depends if you're dealing with a lot of weak or SOME powerful units. Weak=Psionic storm. Strong=Stasis.

[HeLL12aiseR]

no, not really... 2 storms takes out sieged tanks and everything else in a Terran mech ball. it's just a matter of storming the Terran's ball of steel, which JangBi did best. no idea why he isnt doing it anymore :S

[Seirnflow26]

Not quite sure what statis field is

[godofkoolaid]

It's a spell arbiters cast on enemy units that makes them untargetable. It also makes them unable to target enemies. It's a decent spell to be used in situations where a terran has plenty of siege tanks.

[Seirnflow26]

No actually that's what stasis field is

[xBrandonHomicidex]

It just neutralizes units, so that you can take down the rest of the force and then deal with the stasised units later.

[Womack51]

That is an Arbiter spell that freezes and makes unvulnerable all the units (friend and enemies) standing in the zone affected by the blast. Often used when attacking an enemy force, in order to de-activate some of the enemies.

[kirbyman1kanden7pf]

wrong, emp stills works on stasised units.

[kirbyman1kanden7pf]

agh i mean still works.

[djzapz]

good game

[Robotman42]

12:10 amazing defense!

Bisu just run this guy over like a train on full speed ahead.

[redc93]

he threw this game away.. no way a terran player would play a Fuking Fantasy!! would only have 4 fact the entire game. its not even the starport..

its just that he threw this game away on purpose i guess to get bisu to move on..? idn

[Petric120]

I agree

I think that was on purpose to give bisu a morale bust

[meatissodumb]

did he die?

[CnozzleProductions]

5 Stars! GG thanks for the commentary guys great job.

[phys1c]

Good match up

[mytwosense]

can you make it fullscreen!!!

[j0e14]

bisu is too good

[thunder3467]

Awesome, more games.