I guess the excuse is that Detroit had a better team...the devils had a btter team...of course you could NEVER expect Philly to play to their abilities. NEVER!!!
@bbmtge Obviously, you're lazy to do a break-down of both Red Wings and Flyers teams and I mean to make a comparison between the two and their each and every position. Red Wings were a deeper team, hence they defended the Cup next year.
@88BigEtrain funny, you claim to be a fan, short for fanatic, of Lindros. That is the only correct statement you have ever posted. As a fanatic, you have shown yourslef completely incapable of honest and factual analysis. You speak of responsibility? Laughable. You dismiss facts and attempt to replace them with rhetoric. I am not sure if you do it on purpose or if you are that stupid. Example : "shot down before"...Quebec, no Cup, feud with Clarke...these are factual events.
@bbmtge Dismissing the facts?? You completely lost me.The most obvious and telling facts,and which truly matter about Lindros, are known to everyone. You keep talking about nothing substantial including this hit on Stevens. Sorry, dude, you're one of the hard core haters,who diminishing though and who will never give the due credit to Lindros. Well, pal, you don't matter,yet the people who do matter, consider Lindros one of the greatest players of all time.
@88BigEtrain You, then , DISMISS these facts with nothing but opinion i.e that Lindrs was the most dominant player of the 90's. #1...that opinion has nothing to do with the fact that Quebec/Colorado built a SC winning franchise by "selling" Lindros to Philly, that Lindros did not win a Cup and performed dismally in the only finals he ever got to can't be DISMISSED through your rhetoric as, again, it is a FACT. That Clarke expected more from Lindros as a leader is a FACT...
@bbmtge Who cares that he didn't win the Cup? Many mediocre players have won the Cup. I don't lose my sleep over it. Lindros could've won the Cup and been a mediocre player on the third line. No, thanks, I'll pass. A hotheaded Bob sings a different tune now. You completely dismiss everything that has happened recently. Clarke hasn't accomplished anything as a GM even without Lindros. He's beloved as a player, but not as a GM. He's not missed.
@88BigEtrain ...it, too, cannot be DISMISSED through your rhetoric. You still dont get the fundamental difference between facts and RHETORIC. Whoever was the most dominant player of the 90's is left to opinion, conjecture, interpretation of stats. It is an OPINION and nothign more. And, AGAIN, it has nothing to do with the facts that were posted. LOL...this is too funny and too easy. As a second point, we have factual evidence as SUPPORTED by video that completely DISMISSES your...
@bbmtge Great. It's your opinion then, what you think about Lindros and his career.It abysmally differs from mine and other individuals', who actually either watched Lindros up-close on daily basis or better yet, got to play with him.Flyers' best left no doubt what they had thought of him when asked at the crucial time of the truth back in January.
@88BigEtrain ...CLAIM that Lindros was a "cleran" hitter. Specifically, you stated that Lindors hit people who could see him coming. This video, again FACTUAL EVIDENCE as opposed to your rhetoric, PROVES you wrong as Stevens is blind-sided into the boards. Actually, it proves you a complete liar. Please keep writing. I am going to break down each hit in the compilation video. As always, I will continue to wrtie factually. As always, you will respond with rhetoric and dodge the facts
@bbmtge If Lindros had really wanted, he would've smashed Stevens right into the boards. Stevens never touched the boards. Lindros hammered Stevens CLEANLY many more times as shown in other videos. He fought him many times as Stevens barely hung on. Then, in May of 2000 in so important play-offs, Stevens decided to get even and knocked Lindros out with that piece of shit hit. Take a real good look, that's the kind of garbage that the League is taking out of the game-targeting the head.
@88BigEtrain Buddy, that hit in 2000 was clean as it gets. It was well-timed and you can clearly see Stevens's shoulder making contact first. Have you ever played hockey yourself? Try aiming for the head at high speed with your opponent constantly moving and turning. Sure, Lindros had a lot of potential and sadly his career was cut short, but he has mostly himself (and his parents) to blame. It wasn't just Stevens, who punished him for not keeping his head up.
@88BigEtrain As always, you DODGE the point. The issue is not just that Philly lost the Cup. Just as important is the fact that they were defeated 4-0 and that Lindros scored but one goal with 15 seconds left in game 4. The Lindros line was neutralized and even Terry Murray was beside himself with his team's performance. Called them quitters. Has Philly gone down 4-3 and played well, different situation. You just cant handle anything that besmirches your prejudiced view.
@bbmtge Terry Murray was outcoached by Scotty Bowman, among others. He's a an average coach, who can hardly keep his job anywhere he goes. Philly simply lost to the deeper team, which at that time had been dominant as proven by the next year when red Wings successfully defended the Cup.Yes, you said it-Lindros' line was neutralized.Where was the rest of the team? McCarty could scored a highlight reel goal,whereas nobody showed up for Philly.It's called a depth.
@88BigEtrain Oh, I forgot to mention...with respect to diminant players in the 1990's. Let's see...there was a guy named Mario Lemeiux who had a pretty good run in the 1990's. This is a gut who actually HONORED the draft and went to a small market team that was in dire financial straits. All he did was win 2 SC's while setting/breaking untold records, ESPECIALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS. He, even after retirement, saved the team and kept the franchise in Pitsburgh. You see, these acts ...
@bbmtge You miss the fact of Mario having played with superstars teammates-Francis,Jagr etc.Francis happens to be one of the best passers of all time.He, also, couldn't be touched just like Wayne, for he would start whining and complaining about the physical style that was used against him. You can seldom see Mario having two or more opponents hanging on to him. He had enough space to maneuver in.He was so big that the very fact allowed him to do anything he wanted to.He hated being hit.
@88BigEtrain are those of a selfless individual. He will only sell to someone who will keep the team in Pittsburgh. By the waym their are some great articles, both at the time and retrospect, written about how the Lindros trade built Quebec/Colorado into a SC winning franchise. Had Lindros actually honored the draft as opposed to saying he didn't want to speak French (which he would not have to as 25% of the population spoke English) thinigs may have been very different.
@bbmtge You're dead wrong on the issue of having or not having to speak French. The francophone franchises are well-known for their preferential treatment of French speaking players and coaches. Realize, that there's a big rivalry, and sometimes even hatred between francophone and anglophone parts of Canada. How many francophone players play for anglophone teams and vice versa? Thank God, Lindros didn't wind up there. Lindros=Flyers, Flyers=Lindros. Forever.
Let's see...to name a few...the Flyers had Lindros, LeClair, Renberg, BrindA'mour, DesJardins, Recchi amongst many other "name" players. Hextall and Snow had very good regular seasion stats and excellent save percentages. What happened in the finals? They were completely outplayed, outclassed and taken apart by the Red wings. They were swept in 4 games with Lindros lone goal coming in Game 4 with 15 seconds to play. STELLAR PERFORMANCE.
@bbmtge I think you fail to recognize that Lindros was arguably the best player the Flyers ever had, and that the General Management thought they could solely rely on him to win a cup and not a team. The Devils had a better team than the Flyers in the 90's, doesn't mean Lindros was a no show in the playoffs (which he wasn't I was at the game he had a hattrick against the rangers in 97).
did these flyers fans not learn from Roenick trash talking to Roy. Stevens has his rings in his ears and covering one eye. Now thats how you play hockey.
Yeah,Stevens would always be on the losing end.Lindros owned him,any time,anywhere.Then in May of 2000,that piece of shit wearing number 4 could no longer handle his frustration and decided to end Lindros' career for good with his blindsided garbage of a hit.Kind of like hitting somebody from behind when they don't look because you know that in face to face duel,you'd stand up against a serious challenge.Lindros HHOF-2012.
@88BigEtrain How was that hit blindside? are you stupid? Please look at it again because he was completely skating directly towards Stevens with his head down over the Devil's blueline. You are just asking to be layed the fuck out when you do that.
And watch this video again, this was 5x more of a blindside hit than Stevens' hit was.
@TheKevsto I think you need to take more than one more look at Stevens' hit.Stevens skated out of his way(from the left side) right across and blindsided Lindros with that piece of shit hit.Niedermayer and other Devils players set Lindros up for him,which was a common practice.That SOB Robinson's tactics.Fortunately,similar garbage is being taken out of the game by the League.Lindros owned Stevens and his teammates with his Legion of Doom.Anytime,anywhere.Lindros HHOF 2012.
@88BigEtrain The Legion of Doom OWNED Stevens and his teammates. Idid not realize the being OWNED meant winning multiple SC's while, I cant remember, how many did the Flyers win with Lindros. Stevens hit on Lindros was comepltely legit. The video explicitly shows Lindros face making contact with Stevens shoulder with his head rotated to his left. No elbow. Lindors, however, WAS the ultimate cheapshot artist. Plenty of video shows HIS elbowing. Stop being a hmoer and learn a bit of analysis.
@bbmtge You seem to forget that Stevens was only one piece of the puzzle.Stevens had Brodeur,one of the best goalies of all time,covering his back.Stevens and his teammates were outplayed any big,physical line.Brodeur was the final stop.Stevens would take out best players of opposing teams by attacking their head from blind side because he knew that they weren't likely to return.Lindros was the only forward Stevens truly feared-in face to face match-ups Stevens didn't stand a chance.
@88BigEtrain Skating "out of his way" doesn't make a hit a blindside hit, don't be ignorant. The hit was face-to-face and he moved to the opposite side of the ice because he was able too, he had no man coming in on his side. Please watch a 1-on-2 play in the NHL now and see what they do, the defender will lead him into the middle so both the defenceman can get in his way and take the puck away. Only difference is that Stevens did it his own way and laid Lindros the fuck out.
@TheKevsto Stevens flattened.He had been so many times over the years that I lost the count.He'd get pounded every single time by Lindros,would be overpowered by him,beaten in fights.Stevens was likely going nuts because there was no stopping Lindros.Well,then he figured out the way in 2000 with that fucking garbage.Open your eyes,dude,if somebody goes out of his way and targets the head,that's a flat out intent to injure,period.In this case,that POS meant to finish Lindros' career.
@88BigEtrain Oh my gosh, seriously dude, stop making such ignorant comments. You started out saying it was a blindside hit, and now you are changing it to him targeting the head with the intent to injure... And as for the fighting goes, I have never said that Stevens could ever beat Lindros in a fight because that would be completely irrelevant. Comparing a hitter to a fighter is like comparing a passer to a shooter, both have the same effect but can't compare them to one another.
@TheKevsto Are you sure that your comment makes a sense? A blind hit with a clear intent to injure is what the garbage was.A pretty simple explanation. Those who see it otherwise are in a clear minority. As a matter of fact, the trend has been pretty overwhelming with fans acknowledging that similar kind of crap must be eliminated and denouncing the hit. And as for the hitter and fighter issue, Lindros dominated both categories.Lindros outright outhit and overpowered Stevens,period.
no difference between that and hitting from behind.You're probably the kind of guy that sucker punches people during a fight.No honor,no self respect,no dignity and no pride.You might as well be a fucking rat.
My god. Guys got your bra's on too tight or some shit? Steven's hits in the NHL now would be considered dirty, but that's AFTER Bettman ruined it. Back in the day, the Scott Steven's hits were some of the biggest there were. And who cares who would win one on one? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? This is about a sport, I guarantee Lindros nor Stevens think about the hit as personally as you all are.
Here's the thing faggots. Stevens fucking crushed people. Yeah he only knocked down Lindros when his head was down but how many more times did Lindors make that mistake?
@MrDumbass916 All Stevens ever did was blindside head hit. I can;'t believe anyone actually likes his hits. Ya.. they crushed people, but they were dirt, and its the kind of trash nobody wants to see in hockey anymore.
@JohnDakota Actually that's the kind of stuff hockey needs. Hockey needs it's balls back desperately, they've been locked away in Bettmans office for too long.
It's the hits from Stevens that taught people to keep their damn head up when they had the puck. Now you can skate around with a blindfold on and if you get touched the guy gets a 20 game suspension because it was a "blindside hit".
@wes007parks More garbage from the Lindros fags. Worst investment Philly ever made. They allowed Quebec/Colorado to build themselves a multiple SC winning team while all Phill could do in the playoffs was lose. To make the comment about a hit vs a fight simply shows your complete stupidity.
@media401 Really? Cause I seem to remember the three fights against stevens Lindros had where he destroyed stevens. The hat trick against the devils and broduer in 1996. And the open ice hit on Stevens back in 1997.
@LtSykes All the pussies can do is talk about fighting. The ultimate goal in the NHL is not your fighting stats, it's not your regular season stats...it's about winning the SC. Stevens captained a team that won 3 SC's. He won the Conn Smythe once. Lindros did nothing in the playoffs with an underachieving, but talented, team. The one time they got to the finals, they lost 4-0 and never showed up.
@bbmtge You forget that Stevens had a much better team around him when he won those cups than Lindros did with the Flyers. If you'd notice, Lindros led the playoffs in points that year they went to the finals. Not just the Flyers, he led the playoffs in points. Players don't win cups, teams do. The Flyers never had a solid goaltender like Brodeuer (arguably haven't since 1987) nor did they have the capable defense that NJ had. If youll notice, the Devils haven't won shit since Niedermeyer left
Man to man Lindros could destroy stevens any day. only when his head was down was stevens able to do anything. That puny 215 pounder couldn't do anything to Lindros if it was man to man.
@TheLindrosfan88 Couldn't say it better myself,man.Stevens can be seen flying or hammered on any video.He's a piece of shit for that hit on Lindros.A true,true garbage,that the league is finally taking out.
@phathockeydevil When you're head is down and you're not braced for a hit, you're likely to get injured. Doesn't mean Lindros wasn't tougher, if I remember Lindros beat the shit out of Stevens in most of their fights.
@TheLindrosfan88 yes because stevens was the smaller man and stood up to lindros makes stevens puny and lindros "the man".... yes makes total sense u fucking idiot. It doesnt matter who beats who man to man, stevens was one of the best defenders in the league and lindros is a fucking idiot
@shiothead6661 no he was not! He couldnt pass or shoot! He ran around like a moron and hit people when they werent looking. He was a fool with the capitals and blues and lucked out playing along side a real hall of fame defenseman scott niedermayer. Then he started slowing him down. So they tagged him up with another dummy Kenny "DUI" Daneyko.
@AntPalm8 That's the only thing Stevens is remembered for.You're absolutely right.Other than that he would've been forgotten.Pretty pathetic.Lindros,on the other hand is remembered as one of the greatest.Lindros HHOF-2012.
@88BigEtrain Yes, Stevens is not remembered for being the captain of the Devils and winning 3 Cups with one as the playoff MVP. No negative plus/minus in his career. Changing the tone of a gmae with an open ice hit. Funny, all the Flyers did was underachieve with Lindors. Bobby Clarke despised him. You keep psoting Lindros HO 2012. Stevens is already there. ASS!!!
@bbmtgeYes,everybody remembers that premeditated vicious hit with the intent to injure and finish Lindros' career.I had respected Stevens until he dished out that piece of disgusting garbage.Although I think he deserves to be in HHOF,albeit not for his Cups but rather based on his overall game,I call him POS for that hit on Lindros and I lost my respect for him.There are very few of those,including yourself,who find flat out life threatening hits to be O.K.The garbage is being taken out.
@88BigEtrain You can use terms like "everybody"..."premeditated vicious"..."intent to injure"...as you will. It merely shows another individual who simply cannot impartially judge the situation. As I have said and will say again, Lindros face at 1:04 strikes Stevens shoulder and is rotated left causing the injury. The hit was clean and completely legit. You cant even stay with actual incident and make a ridiculous comment like I think it's OK. I'm glad Shanahan is the league enforcer.
@bbmtge Impartially judge situation?I would say that you're a clear minority individual.If this hit isn't a definition for what the League is trying to take out and eliminate,then nothing is.This was a typical example of somebody laterally hitting the opponent with the head being a principle point of contact.You don't need to tell me what we all see happen during the hit.Lindros was fortunate that his helmet didn't pop off before he hit the ice already unconscious.He would've been dead.
@88BigEtrain ...and I am most hjappy to see him cleaning up the game. The argument about Steven's hit has to do with it's legitimacy. It was legitimate at that time as he led with his shoulder. Just like with Sydney Crosby...I'm not a fan, but I'm very disappointed to see we may lose him from the league. Finally, you should understand that while Lindors does not deserve a career ending injury, he was well known for cheap shots and elbows.
@bbmtgeThe only reason why he was forced to sometimes use cheapshots,was because he was on the receiving end of them too.No help available,remember?He had to take care of business himself.He was everybody's target,because he was ultra-physical,and they couldn't beat him in fights either.They messed with him illegally,he messed with them.Payback time.And which player never used cheap shots in the heat of battles of 90s?Those battles,unfortunately,are all history.You listed a wrong player.
@88BigEtrain "The only reason". Funny how you arbitrarily defend Lindros, wholesale, as simply defending himself on ALL occasions. That is simply and completely false. Lindros used to boards often in conjuction with his size to hurt other players. he used elbows, too. The entire premise of your comment is false. If you can't be objective, that is your choice. But...it does not hold up to scrutiny.
@bbmtge Of course,Lindros used the boards,old school hitting!You don't want to see the obvious and the facts.Just a look at all Lindros' hardest and biggest hits during his career and one might think that that would make people,including yourself, acknowledge the fact that there wasn't a cleaner,face to face,shoulder to shoulder,hitter than Lindros.Stevens,on the other hand,in his "best hits" compilation uses head as a principle point of target in virtually all of his hits.Just a coward.
@88BigEtrain As always with you, it is nothign but rhetoric in a vain attempt to pose it as a factual argument. But, agian, as always, you twist yourself in a knot. You call using the boards in an attempt to injure "old school hitting" yet you then sya "wasn't a cleaner hitter". In Stevens top 10 hits, the Kariya hit is definitely late and blind-sided. All other hits make you out a liar. al one has to do is freeze the video; it's very easy to see Stevens square up and then turn the shoulder....
@bbmtge You're flat out blind,man.You lost me.There's no too much say about your describing Lindros' hits as dirty.I think that you need to go play and pause,play and pause and to really see Stevens' garbage.You don't need to do that with Lindros' hits because they're shouldr to shoulder,face to face,smashing people against the boards cleanly.Stop with your nonsense.You can fool people of your attitude towards Lindros,but not me.An elbow,not a shoulder was a Stevens' specialty.
@88BigEtrain ...Funny, you couldn't make a factual arguemtn so you resort to being a liar, again, trying to use bullshit rhetoric as fact. Keep writing, though. It's very entertaining to see a fool make an even bigger fool of himself with each post.
@bbmtge I see...It's hard to have arguments when there's nothing to argue against.You don't make any goddamned sense.Just like any other Lindros' bashers and haters.You all are good for a head shake or a chuckle.In many cases,I doubt your sanity or intelligence level.It's amazing how hard you and your pals try to make Lindros look bad.Well,keep coming.I'll be around to defend him and his reputation.
@88BigEtrain If you want to compare hit-to-hit (factually) taking the Lindros vs Stevens video; most happy to oblige. Lindros video clearly shows what kind of a player he was as does the Stevens compilation. Further, the Lindros compilation further supports the notion that you simply cant deal with the facts. I guess skating by a goalie, at speed, grabing the facemask and twisting the head is "clean". Skating the widht of the rink to baord someone and drive the head into the glass is "clean".
@bbmtge Wow,you typed many words,yet nothing's new.Grabbing a mask?You mean that clown and Academy Award nominee actor Hasek's mask?Yeah,Lindros was so dirty.I was worried about Hasek's health status after that push.Scary looking indeed.Board someone?Like Dackell?Too bad that you left out or missed the part before the actual hit.Furthermore,Dackell knew that Lindros would hit him and clearly saw him coming.The blood?Dackell's own visor cut him.He lowered himself and thus made it worse.
@88BigEtrain Funny how you make the comment about Lindors as a "shoulder to shoulder" hitter and now, as usual, you completely contradict yourself and, as usual, you CHOOSE to defend everything that Lindors does while indicting other players for legal hits. It's always fun to see someone try to use rhetoric in a fact-based argument. At the end of the day, the Flyers mortgage the future of the franchise by purchasing Lindors at extreme cost from Quebec/Colorado. He was brought to Philly...
@bbmtge Contradict? How do I contradict myself? I've been very clear. Lindros was an ultra-physical, the most physical player of all times in fact.I know it you know it.In his prime, he would hit anything that was moving.Stevens, on the other hand, would hit what wouldn't see him coming, like a coward. Lindros had to protect himself and his teammates.He was constantly challenged and provoked.The opposition tried to stop him at all costs, going after his knees,ankles etc.Payback time.
@88BigEtrain Again, as always, more of the same. How do you, moronically, contradict yourself. Simple. Stop this video at 16 seconds and you will see Lindros blind-side Stevens into the boards. Lindros, supported by the compilation video, was an expert at this. I guess you need to look up "contradict" in the dictionary. I'd like to think that no one can be so stupid and have such a strong emotional attachment that they are blind to actual video and justify everything in that manner.
@bbmtge Another laughable comparison. Lindros would dish out body on body types of hits, but the force he was able to gather up along with his strong core and an amazing balance would destroy any opponent no matter how well they braced themselves. You just refuse to see those hits.He never attacked Stevens' head. I need to repeat myself-did he have questionable hits?Sure.Who didn't?Look up my previous comment.An eye for an eye.They obviously made his life miserable.He got even with them.
@88BigEtrain 1) You posted that Lindros was a shoulder to shoulder hitter. The fact is, included in this video asnd the compilation is that he was not. This hit on Stevens is blind-side and into the boards. In the compilation, he drives an opponents head into the ice and boards another, after skating cross rink, arms raised and driving that opponents head into the glass. Your comments on Lindros. You cant win a fact-based argument with rhetoric that contradicts those facts.
@bbmtge Like I said,you need a serious help. You're in vicious circles and you don't seem to be able to get out of them. Lindros went body on body with his hit on Stevens just like in other numerous hits on him.You completely ignored my previous comments and my explanations.There's no help for you. the hit on Dackell was clean, Dackell made it worse for himself by clumsily dodging the hit and he got cut open by his own visor,hence the blood on the ice.He saw Lindros coming all the way.
@88BigEtrain ..and now, the fool, has been reduced to complete absurdity. You cant argue the facts, you twist everything to make Lindros look good, you deny what is on video, yet, I need the help. LOL You even try to use my points about your rheotric against me. Lindros, in this video, BLIND-SIDES STEVEN INTO THE BOARDS. Are you friggin' BLIND??? You even deny the obvious. Keep writing, fool. You are exceptionally entertaining with your constant drivel.
@bbmtge You're talking about yourself and your blindness and ignorance, since we're at it. Stevens had the puck and Lindros cleanly attacked him with his body. The hit could've been much, much worse for Stevens, believe me.Lindros could've smashed him against the boards.Stevens didn't even touch the boards.Wake up or keep being silly.
@88BigEtrain The 2010 Flyers showed more guts, grit and heart than any Flyers team that had Lindros before and after he was stripped of being team captain. The Flyers organization mortgage it's future and bouhgt him specifically to win a SC. The team was loaded with talent and could not get it done. The one time they got to the finals with Lindros, they didn't even show up. They not only lost 4-0, they played terribly. Regular season statistics mean nothing if you cant produce in the playoiffs.
@bbmtge I seriously doubt your intelligence. How could Lindros' Flyers teams be loaded with a talent? Even Bob said that Lindros singlehandedly carried Flyers all those years. You're a complete ignorant and you need to get a medical treatment to take care of your blinded hate and delusion. You're way out there,pal. Johnny LeClair had the best seasons with Lindros, as did Renberg, as did Recchi.They never repeated the same numbers again.When Lindros' line wasn't producing,it was all over.
@88BigEtrain You are falling apart. your statements are getting more and more limited as to Lindros and more and more personal. That's what happens when you run out of rhetoric.
@bbmtge Run out of rhetoric? I don't see that happening. Haters and Lindros' bashers, like yourself, usually run out of arguments sooner or later. When they do, they keep saying things that are plain and obvious and that have been shot down before, such as Quebec, no Cup, the feud with Clarke, etc. Even those, who were close to Lindros from either having been Lindros' employer or business partners, acknowledge that Lindros was the most dominant player in 1990s. Stop hiding the facts.
@88BigEtrain Danny Briere has been more of an impact player in the playoffs than Lindros could dreamed of being. In the end, that's what it takes regardless of the sport. It's about making plays when you need to. If you review your posts you'll see that you have talked in circles. For some odd reason, you are unable too factually analyze a situation, you resort to non-fact and twisting rhetoric that, in the end, allows Lindros to be a cheapshot artist as well as a non-factor in the playoffs.
@bbmtge You make yourself look totally ridiculous. Briere has had one maybe two solid play-offs in his career. Lindros was rarely in full health when the play-offs time came around, yet he had more than point per game average. There are very few players that can present themselves with better numbers. Lindros had a weak supporting cast most of the time and a weak goaltending to go even deeper into the playoffs.A cheapshot artist quote is your lowest point yet. You're in vicious circles.
@88BigEtrain Let's see how stupid you really are. Here is your homework assignment. Look at the Lindros hits compilation. Number them sequentially and tell me what you see. I'll come back and grade your assessment, I will ,further, make the necessary corrections. The video define Lindors as a cheap-shot artist. It's not rhetoric, like your statements, it's fact. The video proves it.
@bbmtge Unlike you, I am a hard core Lindros' fan, and with that, comes a responsibility to know as much as possible about my player, if not every single detail. I've seen each and every Lindros' hit that has ever been recorded and have been made available to public to see. Don't lecture me on Lindros' hits. There are plenty of compilations. You, of course, find anything that even remotely portrays Lindros as a dirty player.That's your task. No, I'll make corrections of your nonsense.
@bbmtge This comment makes ZERO sense. In the years each player went to the cup Lindros had more points in less games played. Not to mention in game 6 of the conference finals against NJ in 2000, Lindros scored the only goal and almost had a second. He was the only one who showed up that game. He also has more playoff overtime goals as a Flyer than Briere.
@LtSykes Nice try. what you, and every other Lindros lover fail to acknowledge is that the Flyers mortgaged their future on him and, in doing so, helped Quebec/Colorado build a 3 Cup team. Lindros was supposed to be the LEADER of his team. You cna quote stats all you want but Briere and the 2010 Flyers showed more heart and grit, got farther in the playoffs than they should and gave a superior Chicago team a run for their money. I love people who quote stats about losers.
@88BigEtrain ...to win a SC. Instead they allowed Quebec/Colorado to retool their franchise into a Sc winning team. Just like the Herschel Walker trade. So keep "defending" Lindros video-based cheap shots and running off at the mouth. Very entertaining stuff.
@bbmtge Glad you like Lindros' highlights by keeping coming back on here. Carl made the best decision of his career as his son's agent. He knew why Quebec was a big no-no.The lousiest franchise by far, a need to learn and speak French, a terrible marketability, an insolvent ownership about to go bankrupt, which is what happened anyway.The price was completely adequate and Lindros had totally lived up to the hype until garbage men led by Kasparaitis and Stevens went after his head.
@88BigEtrain Your first sentence makes no sense. You are unable to factually defend any comments so you resort to garbage rhetoric. The Flyers bought Lindros and mortgaged their future by doing so. He was brought there to win a Cup, which you, obviously seem not to care and dodge this point. A team loaded with talent that underachieved year after year a la the Philadelphia Eagles, etc. Colorado went on to win Cups as a result of the deal. The flyers did not. You just cant face the facts.
@bbmtge Now you're outright getting silly. Lindros brought so much money into the Flyers organization, that those $15mil and all the players Flyers gave up are beyond any comparison.He singlehandedly revived the sinking franchise and had made it one of the top teams in the League on yearly basis.Don't try to leave out the obvious. Lindros finally got his due as the greatest Flyer ever along with Bernie Parent.The just held Winter classic alumni game answered all the B.S. about Lindros.
stevens got the last laugh
goblinob 3 days ago
@goblinob yeah by elbowing him
JFSMotherland 5 hours ago
FLYERS
MormonJew 3 weeks ago
The only thing worse than losing is ot have UNDERACHIEVED. to have had the talent to win only, not to show up.
bbmtge 1 month ago
I guess the excuse is that Detroit had a better team...the devils had a btter team...of course you could NEVER expect Philly to play to their abilities. NEVER!!!
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge Obviously, you're lazy to do a break-down of both Red Wings and Flyers teams and I mean to make a comparison between the two and their each and every position. Red Wings were a deeper team, hence they defended the Cup next year.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago
@88BigEtrain funny, you claim to be a fan, short for fanatic, of Lindros. That is the only correct statement you have ever posted. As a fanatic, you have shown yourslef completely incapable of honest and factual analysis. You speak of responsibility? Laughable. You dismiss facts and attempt to replace them with rhetoric. I am not sure if you do it on purpose or if you are that stupid. Example : "shot down before"...Quebec, no Cup, feud with Clarke...these are factual events.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge Dismissing the facts?? You completely lost me.The most obvious and telling facts,and which truly matter about Lindros, are known to everyone. You keep talking about nothing substantial including this hit on Stevens. Sorry, dude, you're one of the hard core haters,who diminishing though and who will never give the due credit to Lindros. Well, pal, you don't matter,yet the people who do matter, consider Lindros one of the greatest players of all time.
88BigEtrain 2 weeks ago
@88BigEtrain You, then , DISMISS these facts with nothing but opinion i.e that Lindrs was the most dominant player of the 90's. #1...that opinion has nothing to do with the fact that Quebec/Colorado built a SC winning franchise by "selling" Lindros to Philly, that Lindros did not win a Cup and performed dismally in the only finals he ever got to can't be DISMISSED through your rhetoric as, again, it is a FACT. That Clarke expected more from Lindros as a leader is a FACT...
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge Who cares that he didn't win the Cup? Many mediocre players have won the Cup. I don't lose my sleep over it. Lindros could've won the Cup and been a mediocre player on the third line. No, thanks, I'll pass. A hotheaded Bob sings a different tune now. You completely dismiss everything that has happened recently. Clarke hasn't accomplished anything as a GM even without Lindros. He's beloved as a player, but not as a GM. He's not missed.
88BigEtrain 2 weeks ago
@88BigEtrain ...it, too, cannot be DISMISSED through your rhetoric. You still dont get the fundamental difference between facts and RHETORIC. Whoever was the most dominant player of the 90's is left to opinion, conjecture, interpretation of stats. It is an OPINION and nothign more. And, AGAIN, it has nothing to do with the facts that were posted. LOL...this is too funny and too easy. As a second point, we have factual evidence as SUPPORTED by video that completely DISMISSES your...
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge Great. It's your opinion then, what you think about Lindros and his career.It abysmally differs from mine and other individuals', who actually either watched Lindros up-close on daily basis or better yet, got to play with him.Flyers' best left no doubt what they had thought of him when asked at the crucial time of the truth back in January.
88BigEtrain 2 weeks ago
@88BigEtrain ...CLAIM that Lindros was a "cleran" hitter. Specifically, you stated that Lindors hit people who could see him coming. This video, again FACTUAL EVIDENCE as opposed to your rhetoric, PROVES you wrong as Stevens is blind-sided into the boards. Actually, it proves you a complete liar. Please keep writing. I am going to break down each hit in the compilation video. As always, I will continue to wrtie factually. As always, you will respond with rhetoric and dodge the facts
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge If Lindros had really wanted, he would've smashed Stevens right into the boards. Stevens never touched the boards. Lindros hammered Stevens CLEANLY many more times as shown in other videos. He fought him many times as Stevens barely hung on. Then, in May of 2000 in so important play-offs, Stevens decided to get even and knocked Lindros out with that piece of shit hit. Take a real good look, that's the kind of garbage that the League is taking out of the game-targeting the head.
88BigEtrain 2 weeks ago
@88BigEtrain Buddy, that hit in 2000 was clean as it gets. It was well-timed and you can clearly see Stevens's shoulder making contact first. Have you ever played hockey yourself? Try aiming for the head at high speed with your opponent constantly moving and turning. Sure, Lindros had a lot of potential and sadly his career was cut short, but he has mostly himself (and his parents) to blame. It wasn't just Stevens, who punished him for not keeping his head up.
20thWaffenGrenadier 1 week ago
@20thWaffenGrenadier he elbowed him in the face just like paul kariya
JFSMotherland 5 days ago
@88BigEtrain As always, you DODGE the point. The issue is not just that Philly lost the Cup. Just as important is the fact that they were defeated 4-0 and that Lindros scored but one goal with 15 seconds left in game 4. The Lindros line was neutralized and even Terry Murray was beside himself with his team's performance. Called them quitters. Has Philly gone down 4-3 and played well, different situation. You just cant handle anything that besmirches your prejudiced view.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge Terry Murray was outcoached by Scotty Bowman, among others. He's a an average coach, who can hardly keep his job anywhere he goes. Philly simply lost to the deeper team, which at that time had been dominant as proven by the next year when red Wings successfully defended the Cup.Yes, you said it-Lindros' line was neutralized.Where was the rest of the team? McCarty could scored a highlight reel goal,whereas nobody showed up for Philly.It's called a depth.
88BigEtrain 2 weeks ago
@88BigEtrain Oh, I forgot to mention...with respect to diminant players in the 1990's. Let's see...there was a guy named Mario Lemeiux who had a pretty good run in the 1990's. This is a gut who actually HONORED the draft and went to a small market team that was in dire financial straits. All he did was win 2 SC's while setting/breaking untold records, ESPECIALLY IN THE PLAYOFFS. He, even after retirement, saved the team and kept the franchise in Pitsburgh. You see, these acts ...
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge You miss the fact of Mario having played with superstars teammates-Francis,Jagr etc.Francis happens to be one of the best passers of all time.He, also, couldn't be touched just like Wayne, for he would start whining and complaining about the physical style that was used against him. You can seldom see Mario having two or more opponents hanging on to him. He had enough space to maneuver in.He was so big that the very fact allowed him to do anything he wanted to.He hated being hit.
88BigEtrain 2 weeks ago
@88BigEtrain are those of a selfless individual. He will only sell to someone who will keep the team in Pittsburgh. By the waym their are some great articles, both at the time and retrospect, written about how the Lindros trade built Quebec/Colorado into a SC winning franchise. Had Lindros actually honored the draft as opposed to saying he didn't want to speak French (which he would not have to as 25% of the population spoke English) thinigs may have been very different.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge You're dead wrong on the issue of having or not having to speak French. The francophone franchises are well-known for their preferential treatment of French speaking players and coaches. Realize, that there's a big rivalry, and sometimes even hatred between francophone and anglophone parts of Canada. How many francophone players play for anglophone teams and vice versa? Thank God, Lindros didn't wind up there. Lindros=Flyers, Flyers=Lindros. Forever.
88BigEtrain 2 weeks ago
Let's see...to name a few...the Flyers had Lindros, LeClair, Renberg, BrindA'mour, DesJardins, Recchi amongst many other "name" players. Hextall and Snow had very good regular seasion stats and excellent save percentages. What happened in the finals? They were completely outplayed, outclassed and taken apart by the Red wings. They were swept in 4 games with Lindros lone goal coming in Game 4 with 15 seconds to play. STELLAR PERFORMANCE.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge I think you fail to recognize that Lindros was arguably the best player the Flyers ever had, and that the General Management thought they could solely rely on him to win a cup and not a team. The Devils had a better team than the Flyers in the 90's, doesn't mean Lindros was a no show in the playoffs (which he wasn't I was at the game he had a hattrick against the rangers in 97).
LtSykes 1 month ago
Payback is a bitch...
Woppaful 1 month ago
the difference......stevens got up
skangmox 1 month ago
if that was one of todays players they would be like..i got a concussion, im out for half the season....collecting my paycheck!!!
Bring back real hockey players please
wegettinarabmoney 2 months ago
And look who got the last laugh!
Cary94 2 months ago
and then stevens made lindros go ni ni
skangmox 2 months ago
did these flyers fans not learn from Roenick trash talking to Roy. Stevens has his rings in his ears and covering one eye. Now thats how you play hockey.
Extravaganjaify 2 months ago
Yeah,Stevens would always be on the losing end.Lindros owned him,any time,anywhere.Then in May of 2000,that piece of shit wearing number 4 could no longer handle his frustration and decided to end Lindros' career for good with his blindsided garbage of a hit.Kind of like hitting somebody from behind when they don't look because you know that in face to face duel,you'd stand up against a serious challenge.Lindros HHOF-2012.
88BigEtrain 3 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@88BigEtrain How was that hit blindside? are you stupid? Please look at it again because he was completely skating directly towards Stevens with his head down over the Devil's blueline. You are just asking to be layed the fuck out when you do that.
And watch this video again, this was 5x more of a blindside hit than Stevens' hit was.
TheKevsto 2 months ago
@TheKevsto I think you need to take more than one more look at Stevens' hit.Stevens skated out of his way(from the left side) right across and blindsided Lindros with that piece of shit hit.Niedermayer and other Devils players set Lindros up for him,which was a common practice.That SOB Robinson's tactics.Fortunately,similar garbage is being taken out of the game by the League.Lindros owned Stevens and his teammates with his Legion of Doom.Anytime,anywhere.Lindros HHOF 2012.
88BigEtrain 2 months ago
@88BigEtrain The Legion of Doom OWNED Stevens and his teammates. Idid not realize the being OWNED meant winning multiple SC's while, I cant remember, how many did the Flyers win with Lindros. Stevens hit on Lindros was comepltely legit. The video explicitly shows Lindros face making contact with Stevens shoulder with his head rotated to his left. No elbow. Lindors, however, WAS the ultimate cheapshot artist. Plenty of video shows HIS elbowing. Stop being a hmoer and learn a bit of analysis.
bbmtge 2 months ago
@bbmtge You seem to forget that Stevens was only one piece of the puzzle.Stevens had Brodeur,one of the best goalies of all time,covering his back.Stevens and his teammates were outplayed any big,physical line.Brodeur was the final stop.Stevens would take out best players of opposing teams by attacking their head from blind side because he knew that they weren't likely to return.Lindros was the only forward Stevens truly feared-in face to face match-ups Stevens didn't stand a chance.
88BigEtrain 2 months ago
@88BigEtrain Skating "out of his way" doesn't make a hit a blindside hit, don't be ignorant. The hit was face-to-face and he moved to the opposite side of the ice because he was able too, he had no man coming in on his side. Please watch a 1-on-2 play in the NHL now and see what they do, the defender will lead him into the middle so both the defenceman can get in his way and take the puck away. Only difference is that Stevens did it his own way and laid Lindros the fuck out.
TheKevsto 2 months ago
@TheKevsto Stevens flattened.He had been so many times over the years that I lost the count.He'd get pounded every single time by Lindros,would be overpowered by him,beaten in fights.Stevens was likely going nuts because there was no stopping Lindros.Well,then he figured out the way in 2000 with that fucking garbage.Open your eyes,dude,if somebody goes out of his way and targets the head,that's a flat out intent to injure,period.In this case,that POS meant to finish Lindros' career.
88BigEtrain 2 months ago
@88BigEtrain Oh my gosh, seriously dude, stop making such ignorant comments. You started out saying it was a blindside hit, and now you are changing it to him targeting the head with the intent to injure... And as for the fighting goes, I have never said that Stevens could ever beat Lindros in a fight because that would be completely irrelevant. Comparing a hitter to a fighter is like comparing a passer to a shooter, both have the same effect but can't compare them to one another.
TheKevsto 2 months ago
@TheKevsto Are you sure that your comment makes a sense? A blind hit with a clear intent to injure is what the garbage was.A pretty simple explanation. Those who see it otherwise are in a clear minority. As a matter of fact, the trend has been pretty overwhelming with fans acknowledging that similar kind of crap must be eliminated and denouncing the hit. And as for the hitter and fighter issue, Lindros dominated both categories.Lindros outright outhit and overpowered Stevens,period.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago
i also remeber the hit stevens had on lindros, you remember, the one that ended his career
1ukedjedi 3 months ago
small hit
ledeux 3 months ago
no difference between that and hitting from behind.You're probably the kind of guy that sucker punches people during a fight.No honor,no self respect,no dignity and no pride.You might as well be a fucking rat.
thetruth377 3 months ago
stevens was just a dirty piece of shit
thetruth377 3 months ago
@thetruth377 nothing dirty about hitting someone with their head down... thats kinda their fault
cup950003 3 months ago
fuck stevens
cowboyzsuk81 3 months ago
greatest head hunter in nhl history
OneBloodOneGame 4 months ago
My god. Guys got your bra's on too tight or some shit? Steven's hits in the NHL now would be considered dirty, but that's AFTER Bettman ruined it. Back in the day, the Scott Steven's hits were some of the biggest there were. And who cares who would win one on one? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? This is about a sport, I guarantee Lindros nor Stevens think about the hit as personally as you all are.
eyebolls 4 months ago
Here's the thing faggots. Stevens fucking crushed people. Yeah he only knocked down Lindros when his head was down but how many more times did Lindors make that mistake?
MyExTreMeRoMaNcE 4 months ago
Remember the hit Stevens put on Lindros in 2000, game 3 and the Devils wiped up the Flyers?
SpeedyTase 4 months ago
lindros a faggot
arcand88 4 months ago
@arcand88 is a faggot? killed a faggot? ... not sure where you were attempting to go with that...
NewCoulddousin 3 months ago
@arcand88 id guarantee hed kick you ass
85funnyguy 3 months ago
@85funnyguy
think twice moron
is brain is like a soupe he just need a baby hit to the head and he will colapse
arcand88 3 months ago
you should learn how to spell soup and his before you call someone else a moron. here let me spell them for you
HIS.
SOUP .
P.S. proofread moron
85funnyguy 3 months ago
Stevens get his revenge later...goood night Eric and happy retirement, you pampered crybaby.
toekneeeyeoweme 5 months ago
stevens fucking destroyed lindros this is nothing. stevens was hit from his blindside while lindros was hit from directly in front of his face
MrDumbass916 5 months ago
@MrDumbass916 All Stevens ever did was blindside head hit. I can;'t believe anyone actually likes his hits. Ya.. they crushed people, but they were dirt, and its the kind of trash nobody wants to see in hockey anymore.
JohnDakota 4 months ago
@JohnDakota Actually that's the kind of stuff hockey needs. Hockey needs it's balls back desperately, they've been locked away in Bettmans office for too long.
It's the hits from Stevens that taught people to keep their damn head up when they had the puck. Now you can skate around with a blindfold on and if you get touched the guy gets a 20 game suspension because it was a "blindside hit".
CrackaCarpinda 3 months ago
isnt this the same game that ended his run with the flyers ?
oricalcross 5 months ago
Both were VERY tough players....Stevens did get him back though.
ijp66 5 months ago
STEVENS HAD TO TAKE THE COWARDS WAY OUT WITH THAT HIT,CAUSE THERES NO WAY HE COULD GO TOE TO TOE WITH LINDROS, PERIOD.
wes007parks 7 months ago 2
@wes007parks More garbage from the Lindros fags. Worst investment Philly ever made. They allowed Quebec/Colorado to build themselves a multiple SC winning team while all Phill could do in the playoffs was lose. To make the comment about a hit vs a fight simply shows your complete stupidity.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@media401 Really? Cause I seem to remember the three fights against stevens Lindros had where he destroyed stevens. The hat trick against the devils and broduer in 1996. And the open ice hit on Stevens back in 1997.
LtSykes 11 months ago 8
@LtSykes All the pussies can do is talk about fighting. The ultimate goal in the NHL is not your fighting stats, it's not your regular season stats...it's about winning the SC. Stevens captained a team that won 3 SC's. He won the Conn Smythe once. Lindros did nothing in the playoffs with an underachieving, but talented, team. The one time they got to the finals, they lost 4-0 and never showed up.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge You forget that Stevens had a much better team around him when he won those cups than Lindros did with the Flyers. If you'd notice, Lindros led the playoffs in points that year they went to the finals. Not just the Flyers, he led the playoffs in points. Players don't win cups, teams do. The Flyers never had a solid goaltender like Brodeuer (arguably haven't since 1987) nor did they have the capable defense that NJ had. If youll notice, the Devils haven't won shit since Niedermeyer left
LtSykes 1 month ago
Man to man Lindros could destroy stevens any day. only when his head was down was stevens able to do anything. That puny 215 pounder couldn't do anything to Lindros if it was man to man.
TheLindrosfan88 1 year ago 19
@TheLindrosfan88 Couldn't say it better myself,man.Stevens can be seen flying or hammered on any video.He's a piece of shit for that hit on Lindros.A true,true garbage,that the league is finally taking out.
88BigEtrain 9 months ago
@88BigEtrain hahahahahahahahahahaha, if some one was true garbage it was the retard lindros, what a piece of crap
fearmyaim113 6 months ago
@TheLindrosfan88 The fact that stevens killed him in the first place is enough to prove he is tougher...
phathockeydevil 6 months ago
@phathockeydevil When you're head is down and you're not braced for a hit, you're likely to get injured. Doesn't mean Lindros wasn't tougher, if I remember Lindros beat the shit out of Stevens in most of their fights.
77HeIix 5 months ago
@TheLindrosfan88 WTF.. bodychecking isn't "man to man" enough for you? That "puny" 215 pounder ended Lindros' career.
skipstah70 4 months ago
@TheLindrosfan88 stevens was not puny by any means but lindros already beat stevens in a fight
khav11 3 months ago
@TheLindrosfan88 yes because stevens was the smaller man and stood up to lindros makes stevens puny and lindros "the man".... yes makes total sense u fucking idiot. It doesnt matter who beats who man to man, stevens was one of the best defenders in the league and lindros is a fucking idiot
shiothead6661 3 months ago
@shiothead6661 no he was not! He couldnt pass or shoot! He ran around like a moron and hit people when they werent looking. He was a fool with the capitals and blues and lucked out playing along side a real hall of fame defenseman scott niedermayer. Then he started slowing him down. So they tagged him up with another dummy Kenny "DUI" Daneyko.
insanehockeyfan 3 months ago
@insanehockeyfan Stevens had two 70 point seasons and multiple 50 point ones pretty good for a guy who "couldn't pass or shoot"
nevertweet015 2 months ago
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toekneeeyeoweme 2 months ago
@TheLindrosfan88 You're such a fag the only hit everyone remembers is Lindros getting knocked the fuck out.
AntPalm8 2 months ago
@AntPalm8 That's the only thing Stevens is remembered for.You're absolutely right.Other than that he would've been forgotten.Pretty pathetic.Lindros,on the other hand is remembered as one of the greatest.Lindros HHOF-2012.
88BigEtrain 2 months ago
@88BigEtrain Yes, Stevens is not remembered for being the captain of the Devils and winning 3 Cups with one as the playoff MVP. No negative plus/minus in his career. Changing the tone of a gmae with an open ice hit. Funny, all the Flyers did was underachieve with Lindors. Bobby Clarke despised him. You keep psoting Lindros HO 2012. Stevens is already there. ASS!!!
bbmtge 2 months ago
@bbmtgeYes,everybody remembers that premeditated vicious hit with the intent to injure and finish Lindros' career.I had respected Stevens until he dished out that piece of disgusting garbage.Although I think he deserves to be in HHOF,albeit not for his Cups but rather based on his overall game,I call him POS for that hit on Lindros and I lost my respect for him.There are very few of those,including yourself,who find flat out life threatening hits to be O.K.The garbage is being taken out.
88BigEtrain 2 months ago
@88BigEtrain You can use terms like "everybody"..."premeditated vicious"..."intent to injure"...as you will. It merely shows another individual who simply cannot impartially judge the situation. As I have said and will say again, Lindros face at 1:04 strikes Stevens shoulder and is rotated left causing the injury. The hit was clean and completely legit. You cant even stay with actual incident and make a ridiculous comment like I think it's OK. I'm glad Shanahan is the league enforcer.
bbmtge 2 months ago
@bbmtge Impartially judge situation?I would say that you're a clear minority individual.If this hit isn't a definition for what the League is trying to take out and eliminate,then nothing is.This was a typical example of somebody laterally hitting the opponent with the head being a principle point of contact.You don't need to tell me what we all see happen during the hit.Lindros was fortunate that his helmet didn't pop off before he hit the ice already unconscious.He would've been dead.
88BigEtrain 2 months ago
@88BigEtrain ...and I am most hjappy to see him cleaning up the game. The argument about Steven's hit has to do with it's legitimacy. It was legitimate at that time as he led with his shoulder. Just like with Sydney Crosby...I'm not a fan, but I'm very disappointed to see we may lose him from the league. Finally, you should understand that while Lindors does not deserve a career ending injury, he was well known for cheap shots and elbows.
bbmtge 2 months ago
@bbmtgeThe only reason why he was forced to sometimes use cheapshots,was because he was on the receiving end of them too.No help available,remember?He had to take care of business himself.He was everybody's target,because he was ultra-physical,and they couldn't beat him in fights either.They messed with him illegally,he messed with them.Payback time.And which player never used cheap shots in the heat of battles of 90s?Those battles,unfortunately,are all history.You listed a wrong player.
88BigEtrain 2 months ago
@88BigEtrain "The only reason". Funny how you arbitrarily defend Lindros, wholesale, as simply defending himself on ALL occasions. That is simply and completely false. Lindros used to boards often in conjuction with his size to hurt other players. he used elbows, too. The entire premise of your comment is false. If you can't be objective, that is your choice. But...it does not hold up to scrutiny.
bbmtge 2 months ago
@bbmtge Of course,Lindros used the boards,old school hitting!You don't want to see the obvious and the facts.Just a look at all Lindros' hardest and biggest hits during his career and one might think that that would make people,including yourself, acknowledge the fact that there wasn't a cleaner,face to face,shoulder to shoulder,hitter than Lindros.Stevens,on the other hand,in his "best hits" compilation uses head as a principle point of target in virtually all of his hits.Just a coward.
88BigEtrain 2 months ago
@88BigEtrain As always with you, it is nothign but rhetoric in a vain attempt to pose it as a factual argument. But, agian, as always, you twist yourself in a knot. You call using the boards in an attempt to injure "old school hitting" yet you then sya "wasn't a cleaner hitter". In Stevens top 10 hits, the Kariya hit is definitely late and blind-sided. All other hits make you out a liar. al one has to do is freeze the video; it's very easy to see Stevens square up and then turn the shoulder....
bbmtge 2 months ago
@bbmtge You're flat out blind,man.You lost me.There's no too much say about your describing Lindros' hits as dirty.I think that you need to go play and pause,play and pause and to really see Stevens' garbage.You don't need to do that with Lindros' hits because they're shouldr to shoulder,face to face,smashing people against the boards cleanly.Stop with your nonsense.You can fool people of your attitude towards Lindros,but not me.An elbow,not a shoulder was a Stevens' specialty.
88BigEtrain 2 months ago
@88BigEtrain ...Funny, you couldn't make a factual arguemtn so you resort to being a liar, again, trying to use bullshit rhetoric as fact. Keep writing, though. It's very entertaining to see a fool make an even bigger fool of himself with each post.
bbmtge 2 months ago
@bbmtge I see...It's hard to have arguments when there's nothing to argue against.You don't make any goddamned sense.Just like any other Lindros' bashers and haters.You all are good for a head shake or a chuckle.In many cases,I doubt your sanity or intelligence level.It's amazing how hard you and your pals try to make Lindros look bad.Well,keep coming.I'll be around to defend him and his reputation.
88BigEtrain 2 months ago
@88BigEtrain If you want to compare hit-to-hit (factually) taking the Lindros vs Stevens video; most happy to oblige. Lindros video clearly shows what kind of a player he was as does the Stevens compilation. Further, the Lindros compilation further supports the notion that you simply cant deal with the facts. I guess skating by a goalie, at speed, grabing the facemask and twisting the head is "clean". Skating the widht of the rink to baord someone and drive the head into the glass is "clean".
bbmtge 2 months ago
@bbmtge Wow,you typed many words,yet nothing's new.Grabbing a mask?You mean that clown and Academy Award nominee actor Hasek's mask?Yeah,Lindros was so dirty.I was worried about Hasek's health status after that push.Scary looking indeed.Board someone?Like Dackell?Too bad that you left out or missed the part before the actual hit.Furthermore,Dackell knew that Lindros would hit him and clearly saw him coming.The blood?Dackell's own visor cut him.He lowered himself and thus made it worse.
88BigEtrain 2 months ago
@88BigEtrain Funny how you make the comment about Lindors as a "shoulder to shoulder" hitter and now, as usual, you completely contradict yourself and, as usual, you CHOOSE to defend everything that Lindors does while indicting other players for legal hits. It's always fun to see someone try to use rhetoric in a fact-based argument. At the end of the day, the Flyers mortgage the future of the franchise by purchasing Lindors at extreme cost from Quebec/Colorado. He was brought to Philly...
bbmtge 2 months ago
@bbmtge Contradict? How do I contradict myself? I've been very clear. Lindros was an ultra-physical, the most physical player of all times in fact.I know it you know it.In his prime, he would hit anything that was moving.Stevens, on the other hand, would hit what wouldn't see him coming, like a coward. Lindros had to protect himself and his teammates.He was constantly challenged and provoked.The opposition tried to stop him at all costs, going after his knees,ankles etc.Payback time.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago
@88BigEtrain Again, as always, more of the same. How do you, moronically, contradict yourself. Simple. Stop this video at 16 seconds and you will see Lindros blind-side Stevens into the boards. Lindros, supported by the compilation video, was an expert at this. I guess you need to look up "contradict" in the dictionary. I'd like to think that no one can be so stupid and have such a strong emotional attachment that they are blind to actual video and justify everything in that manner.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge Another laughable comparison. Lindros would dish out body on body types of hits, but the force he was able to gather up along with his strong core and an amazing balance would destroy any opponent no matter how well they braced themselves. You just refuse to see those hits.He never attacked Stevens' head. I need to repeat myself-did he have questionable hits?Sure.Who didn't?Look up my previous comment.An eye for an eye.They obviously made his life miserable.He got even with them.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago
@88BigEtrain 1) You posted that Lindros was a shoulder to shoulder hitter. The fact is, included in this video asnd the compilation is that he was not. This hit on Stevens is blind-side and into the boards. In the compilation, he drives an opponents head into the ice and boards another, after skating cross rink, arms raised and driving that opponents head into the glass. Your comments on Lindros. You cant win a fact-based argument with rhetoric that contradicts those facts.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge Like I said,you need a serious help. You're in vicious circles and you don't seem to be able to get out of them. Lindros went body on body with his hit on Stevens just like in other numerous hits on him.You completely ignored my previous comments and my explanations.There's no help for you. the hit on Dackell was clean, Dackell made it worse for himself by clumsily dodging the hit and he got cut open by his own visor,hence the blood on the ice.He saw Lindros coming all the way.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago
@88BigEtrain ..and now, the fool, has been reduced to complete absurdity. You cant argue the facts, you twist everything to make Lindros look good, you deny what is on video, yet, I need the help. LOL You even try to use my points about your rheotric against me. Lindros, in this video, BLIND-SIDES STEVEN INTO THE BOARDS. Are you friggin' BLIND??? You even deny the obvious. Keep writing, fool. You are exceptionally entertaining with your constant drivel.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge You're talking about yourself and your blindness and ignorance, since we're at it. Stevens had the puck and Lindros cleanly attacked him with his body. The hit could've been much, much worse for Stevens, believe me.Lindros could've smashed him against the boards.Stevens didn't even touch the boards.Wake up or keep being silly.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago
@88BigEtrain The 2010 Flyers showed more guts, grit and heart than any Flyers team that had Lindros before and after he was stripped of being team captain. The Flyers organization mortgage it's future and bouhgt him specifically to win a SC. The team was loaded with talent and could not get it done. The one time they got to the finals with Lindros, they didn't even show up. They not only lost 4-0, they played terribly. Regular season statistics mean nothing if you cant produce in the playoiffs.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge I seriously doubt your intelligence. How could Lindros' Flyers teams be loaded with a talent? Even Bob said that Lindros singlehandedly carried Flyers all those years. You're a complete ignorant and you need to get a medical treatment to take care of your blinded hate and delusion. You're way out there,pal. Johnny LeClair had the best seasons with Lindros, as did Renberg, as did Recchi.They never repeated the same numbers again.When Lindros' line wasn't producing,it was all over.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago
@88BigEtrain You are falling apart. your statements are getting more and more limited as to Lindros and more and more personal. That's what happens when you run out of rhetoric.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge Run out of rhetoric? I don't see that happening. Haters and Lindros' bashers, like yourself, usually run out of arguments sooner or later. When they do, they keep saying things that are plain and obvious and that have been shot down before, such as Quebec, no Cup, the feud with Clarke, etc. Even those, who were close to Lindros from either having been Lindros' employer or business partners, acknowledge that Lindros was the most dominant player in 1990s. Stop hiding the facts.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago
@88BigEtrain Danny Briere has been more of an impact player in the playoffs than Lindros could dreamed of being. In the end, that's what it takes regardless of the sport. It's about making plays when you need to. If you review your posts you'll see that you have talked in circles. For some odd reason, you are unable too factually analyze a situation, you resort to non-fact and twisting rhetoric that, in the end, allows Lindros to be a cheapshot artist as well as a non-factor in the playoffs.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge You make yourself look totally ridiculous. Briere has had one maybe two solid play-offs in his career. Lindros was rarely in full health when the play-offs time came around, yet he had more than point per game average. There are very few players that can present themselves with better numbers. Lindros had a weak supporting cast most of the time and a weak goaltending to go even deeper into the playoffs.A cheapshot artist quote is your lowest point yet. You're in vicious circles.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago
@88BigEtrain Let's see how stupid you really are. Here is your homework assignment. Look at the Lindros hits compilation. Number them sequentially and tell me what you see. I'll come back and grade your assessment, I will ,further, make the necessary corrections. The video define Lindors as a cheap-shot artist. It's not rhetoric, like your statements, it's fact. The video proves it.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge Unlike you, I am a hard core Lindros' fan, and with that, comes a responsibility to know as much as possible about my player, if not every single detail. I've seen each and every Lindros' hit that has ever been recorded and have been made available to public to see. Don't lecture me on Lindros' hits. There are plenty of compilations. You, of course, find anything that even remotely portrays Lindros as a dirty player.That's your task. No, I'll make corrections of your nonsense.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago
@bbmtge This comment makes ZERO sense. In the years each player went to the cup Lindros had more points in less games played. Not to mention in game 6 of the conference finals against NJ in 2000, Lindros scored the only goal and almost had a second. He was the only one who showed up that game. He also has more playoff overtime goals as a Flyer than Briere.
LtSykes 1 month ago
@LtSykes Nice try. what you, and every other Lindros lover fail to acknowledge is that the Flyers mortgaged their future on him and, in doing so, helped Quebec/Colorado build a 3 Cup team. Lindros was supposed to be the LEADER of his team. You cna quote stats all you want but Briere and the 2010 Flyers showed more heart and grit, got farther in the playoffs than they should and gave a superior Chicago team a run for their money. I love people who quote stats about losers.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@88BigEtrain ...to win a SC. Instead they allowed Quebec/Colorado to retool their franchise into a Sc winning team. Just like the Herschel Walker trade. So keep "defending" Lindros video-based cheap shots and running off at the mouth. Very entertaining stuff.
bbmtge 2 months ago
@bbmtge Glad you like Lindros' highlights by keeping coming back on here. Carl made the best decision of his career as his son's agent. He knew why Quebec was a big no-no.The lousiest franchise by far, a need to learn and speak French, a terrible marketability, an insolvent ownership about to go bankrupt, which is what happened anyway.The price was completely adequate and Lindros had totally lived up to the hype until garbage men led by Kasparaitis and Stevens went after his head.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago
@88BigEtrain Your first sentence makes no sense. You are unable to factually defend any comments so you resort to garbage rhetoric. The Flyers bought Lindros and mortgaged their future by doing so. He was brought there to win a Cup, which you, obviously seem not to care and dodge this point. A team loaded with talent that underachieved year after year a la the Philadelphia Eagles, etc. Colorado went on to win Cups as a result of the deal. The flyers did not. You just cant face the facts.
bbmtge 1 month ago
@bbmtge Now you're outright getting silly. Lindros brought so much money into the Flyers organization, that those $15mil and all the players Flyers gave up are beyond any comparison.He singlehandedly revived the sinking franchise and had made it one of the top teams in the League on yearly basis.Don't try to leave out the obvious. Lindros finally got his due as the greatest Flyer ever along with Bernie Parent.The just held Winter classic alumni game answered all the B.S. about Lindros.
88BigEtrain 1 month ago