First of all you have a working hypothesis not a theory. Secondly the test you designed for your hypothesis is seriously flawed by sitting stationary in a chair eyeing and marking ghost ball positions at a variety of random positions about the circumference of the sphere that is the cue ball. Had you gotten out of the chair to size of center ball point locations from the vantage that each supposed shot would be
executed your skewed point of view (no pun intended) would be less exaggerated. Don’t you find it interesting that the one point that was pretty much on the mark was eyeball calculated by you from the vantage point that you would be shooting from at your comfortable chair position? You don’t offer any other systems that you then test in comparison. I shoot what is best described as a fractional – ball –
pivot, manipulating the cue ball vertical and horizontal pivot points curving the cue ball to contact the back azimuth of the object ball for cut shots. I think pool is a blend of physics and art. Much of shot execution is seeing and feeling. Lastly, you mention CTE and the “E” stands for “edge.” Spheres do not have edges, only points. I know run-out players that are essentially idiot savants. They don’t understand nor could they explain how pop-corn works but man they can hit balls.
it's really just an idea. Don't you find it interesting that I can't pick out a distance that is 2.25" from the center of the cue ball when I am sitting just a foot away and yet the Ghost Ball method of aiming asks the shooter to do that from more than five feet away? I will offer you a $10,000 challenge that you can't pick out ten spots that are 2.25" away from the cueball on a pool table.
The "edge" is merely a reference like the edge of a coin. I didn't come up with the term
someone else did and that's how it's known now so that is the term I use when speaking of the Center to Edge aiming system.
There is no need to test any other systems in comparison. The premise of this video is show my idea as to why I think using GB leads to inconsistent results. I am pretty sure that the results on a pool table would be even worse. I might just do it though to see for myself. I will use the GB method as prescribed by a famous author.
Of course playing pool is about feeling. At the end of the day it's how well you can control both your emotions and your body to make it do what you want it to do. Systems are about providing a foundation for setting up the shot and getting into position. If you don't know how to do that or you rely on "feeling" alone then you will probably not have much success. Of course there are people who just get it without any systematic approach. So what, this discussion isn't about them.
Sorry, I did it with higher res but 330mb wouldn't load to YouTube. So I had to reduce it just get the vid up.
I use Backhand English with CTE. If you can estimate the delfection then you can setup with the spin already set. I like BHE because I can aim center ball and then simply move my grip hand slightly to move the cue tip to the spin position.
Very good video. You make good points. However, the point of the ghost ball method is *not* to aim. It is to train you to learn to recognize the fullness of hit needed to pocket the balls. This training takes place through the feedback of 1000's of shots. I don't use the ghost ball to aim. However, I *used* to use it to *learn* to aim. The ghost ball is good enough as an estimate to get your body aligned. Then the 1000's of shots in the past allow you to lock in. IMHO of course.
That's kind of splitting hairs. In fact people seem to have all sorts of ideas what GB is and how to use it. I agree with you that it's useful to learn to judge the fullness. However the same type of problem exists when using it to learn that. I.e. if you're off then you're off. So it takes a TON of trial and error to get a decent feeling. I have hit 1000's of shots trying to get comfortable with certain angles and never could.
With CTE I have a way to lock into the aiming line for all shots and where it's particularly helpful is the shots that I have not practiced a 1000 times. The strange mid table shots which are at weird angles. Those shots USED to kill me as I didn't know where to hit them or what would happen. Now I snap to the line in seconds and am focused on where the cueball is going and as such my game is way better.
you're right pal 100%!!!!! more power....
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TheSimCaptain 1 year ago
Sorry, I meant to say in the post below "...about teh circumference of the sphere that is the object ball." Sorry about that.
HS22181 1 year ago
First of all you have a working hypothesis not a theory. Secondly the test you designed for your hypothesis is seriously flawed by sitting stationary in a chair eyeing and marking ghost ball positions at a variety of random positions about the circumference of the sphere that is the cue ball. Had you gotten out of the chair to size of center ball point locations from the vantage that each supposed shot would be
HS22181 1 year ago
executed your skewed point of view (no pun intended) would be less exaggerated. Don’t you find it interesting that the one point that was pretty much on the mark was eyeball calculated by you from the vantage point that you would be shooting from at your comfortable chair position? You don’t offer any other systems that you then test in comparison. I shoot what is best described as a fractional – ball –
HS22181 1 year ago
pivot, manipulating the cue ball vertical and horizontal pivot points curving the cue ball to contact the back azimuth of the object ball for cut shots. I think pool is a blend of physics and art. Much of shot execution is seeing and feeling. Lastly, you mention CTE and the “E” stands for “edge.” Spheres do not have edges, only points. I know run-out players that are essentially idiot savants. They don’t understand nor could they explain how pop-corn works but man they can hit balls.
HS22181 1 year ago
@HS22181
it's really just an idea. Don't you find it interesting that I can't pick out a distance that is 2.25" from the center of the cue ball when I am sitting just a foot away and yet the Ghost Ball method of aiming asks the shooter to do that from more than five feet away? I will offer you a $10,000 challenge that you can't pick out ten spots that are 2.25" away from the cueball on a pool table.
The "edge" is merely a reference like the edge of a coin. I didn't come up with the term
jbideastoo 1 year ago
someone else did and that's how it's known now so that is the term I use when speaking of the Center to Edge aiming system.
There is no need to test any other systems in comparison. The premise of this video is show my idea as to why I think using GB leads to inconsistent results. I am pretty sure that the results on a pool table would be even worse. I might just do it though to see for myself. I will use the GB method as prescribed by a famous author.
jbideastoo 1 year ago
@HS22181
Of course playing pool is about feeling. At the end of the day it's how well you can control both your emotions and your body to make it do what you want it to do. Systems are about providing a foundation for setting up the shot and getting into position. If you don't know how to do that or you rely on "feeling" alone then you will probably not have much success. Of course there are people who just get it without any systematic approach. So what, this discussion isn't about them.
jbideastoo 1 year ago
Long time subscriber and big fan.
I agree with your point about the ghost ball generally. But I can't actually see the proof with your video.
You can make the same point clearly by
1) Better contrast than white paper on manilla folder (the ghost balls look better on your desk)
2) Doubling or quadrupling the size, so that the points of contact/dots aren't 1-5 pixels on my computer screen.
Keep the CTE stuff coming. I'm very interested in how people use CTE and deal with english.
2GunsUpZ 1 year ago
@2GunsUpZ
Sorry, I did it with higher res but 330mb wouldn't load to YouTube. So I had to reduce it just get the vid up.
I use Backhand English with CTE. If you can estimate the delfection then you can setup with the spin already set. I like BHE because I can aim center ball and then simply move my grip hand slightly to move the cue tip to the spin position.
jbideastoo 1 year ago
Very good video. You make good points. However, the point of the ghost ball method is *not* to aim. It is to train you to learn to recognize the fullness of hit needed to pocket the balls. This training takes place through the feedback of 1000's of shots. I don't use the ghost ball to aim. However, I *used* to use it to *learn* to aim. The ghost ball is good enough as an estimate to get your body aligned. Then the 1000's of shots in the past allow you to lock in. IMHO of course.
kvidmaster 1 year ago
@kvidmaster
That's kind of splitting hairs. In fact people seem to have all sorts of ideas what GB is and how to use it. I agree with you that it's useful to learn to judge the fullness. However the same type of problem exists when using it to learn that. I.e. if you're off then you're off. So it takes a TON of trial and error to get a decent feeling. I have hit 1000's of shots trying to get comfortable with certain angles and never could.
jbideastoo 1 year ago
With CTE I have a way to lock into the aiming line for all shots and where it's particularly helpful is the shots that I have not practiced a 1000 times. The strange mid table shots which are at weird angles. Those shots USED to kill me as I didn't know where to hit them or what would happen. Now I snap to the line in seconds and am focused on where the cueball is going and as such my game is way better.
jbideastoo 1 year ago