Stairway to Heaven is a great song, but the intro is clearly stolen(Jimmy hears the song writen by The Spirit for the first time after a concert with the Yardbirds, and guess what, the headliners was The Spirit). Anyone that says that are two different song(referencing to the intro), well, has a problem. Another example is the bass line and the riff on Dazed and Confused, originally composed by Jake Holmes, was litterally copyed by LZ.
I'm not a musician or anything, but both sound completely different. Even speeding up the tempo on the Spirit song wouldn't make it a rip off. Influenced? Highly likely. Stole? No way. Making it 100 times better? Definitely
How little Led Zeppelin fans want to admit that someone else existed before their God Jimmy Page. As if Life Does Not Imitate Art? I suppose they'd also defend on technicalities that Page also ripped off Bert Jansch's [later of Pentangle fame] tune 'Black Water Side'? Please do your history research and learn. How many here can even play a musical instrument [not including the ipod] ? [*See 'Down By Blackwaterside' in Wikipedia]
There is quite clearly a similarity, in one small segment of both songs. The inspiration obviously came from Spirit, BUT - this is where artistry comes into play. LZ took a kernel, and made a complete package. Listen to the entire songs, not just snippets edited to prove a point. There's a reason EVERYBODY knows Stairway to Heaven, and almost nobody knows Taurus! Just because I can't PLAY a musical instrument... or write music, doesn't mean I can't appreciate it.
Not even close, you think one chord progression in the same key makes for ripping someone off? No way, influencing, sure. Stairway is like 8 minutes long and you have only a chord progression that sounds similar, used 3 times in the song, but is actually different chords and notes with a different tempo in that very chord progrssion. Sheet music side by side would look completely different.
TheFurrySmurf is totally correct. I knew Randy California. Zeppelin opened for them based on their hit I've Got a Line on You. Randy was a great guitarist who got his name from Jimi Hendrix who wanted him to join The Experience when he was only 15. His parents would allow it.
Also, listen to Page's riffs. Complex, but keep playing same thing over, over, etc. Listen to Rock n' Roll. Bonham's drums same way. The Who is much more complex and more enjoyable.
Los primeros acordes son los mismos... Pero la magnífica composicion Starways to heaven la desarrolló Page, como se puede ver. Solo se necesita ver el video de Led Zeppelin, `para ver y escuchar tan magnifica pieza. Este video de Taurus Spirit, tiene su truco .... solo suenan 10 segundos de la canción... y el resto?????
Pretty funny given that The Chocolate Watchband lifted those same chords for a song called "And She's Lonely" from 1969 - evidently also after "Taurus." How come all you music know-it-alls aren't jumping all over them? For bronco3250: A few bars of the opening chords of Stairway To Heaven sound a lot like this, but from there on out Led Zeppelin created their own (much better) song. And how come no one's after Eric Clapton for "Let It Grow", either? Sounds like all of these songs to me!
If using the same chord progression as another band was plagiarism, a LOT of musicians would be screwed. Chord progressions are chord progressions. They don't really matter. It's melodies and lyrics that get people in trouble.
They also went on tour that year with support band Led Zeppelin, who were heavily influenced by Spirit—Led Zeppelin played an extended medley during their early 1969 shows, Jimmy Page's use of a theremin has been attributed to his seeing Randy California use one that he had mounted to his amplifier, and it is now widely accepted that Page lifted the descending guitar figure from Spirit's instrumental "Taurus" for Led Zeppelin's signature tune "Stairway To Heaven"
Focusing simply on the chord progression is NOT LISTENING, folks. It is the PRODUCTION of those chords that shows either a "tribute" or a plain "steal".
Wikipedia says " it is now widely accepted that Page lifted the descending guitar figure from Spirit's instrumental "Taurus" for Led Zeppelin's signature tune "Stairway To Heaven". Spirit and LZ toured and played together a couple of years before Stairway was released.
you think this is bad most pop songs all have the same 3 chord progressions, the same recycled formulas over and over again whether the artist knows it or not but I sure notice
Very similar and in the same key but not the same thing. If anything Jimmy page took and made it into an incredible song that they never would of thought of.
well I thought it too, but when you start playing guitar.. it's even funny. you get barre on 5th fret and going 3 notes down on 3th string? i mean it's like obvoius thing for C scale in that place ;D i think lots of people found out this lick, and nobody could use it because it reminds them stairway to heaven , TROLOLO/
When you touch a chord, then that chord is completely yours? Bah, sounds totally different. Led Zeppelin was a band not only known for stairway to heaven. Led Zeppelin FTW.
haha, funny how you people think this is plagiarism, back in the 60s and 70s, everyone stole each others licks, and used them to make songs. Barbra Streisand? Main sound stole from Boney M's gotta go home. And you are saying that this is plagiarism? Led Zep toured with Taurus, and he happened to use this tune and remixed it. You can't blame them.
Extremely, extremely popular chord progression in 60's and 70's. (Example: middle eight in Lennon's "And your bird can sing.") Arpeggiation may be unique, but this isn't enough to warrant a plagiarism charge. It depends where the songs go, and clearly they diverge mightily. This riff isn't Stairway. It is just simply a representation.
In the 1970's to make a good song, you had to seek from various sources, to complete your hard work. Because if you have a cool riff/solo etc. its not too much to make a hit.
In the 1970's Led Zeppelin got those rip offs. But its for me even better than nowadays music ... Nowadays ripoffs like Duck Sauce, arent rip offs. There are clearly plagiated.
If this helps, I can play both songs on guitar(at least the intro to "taurus") and there is an obvious contrast from that perspective. Also...lets face it, every fucking band is a plagiarist-its sad that DJ's and journalists have run out of material to harp on; LZ has more than proved themselves as worthy
...2:38 long song, though it still had traces of Hendrix's style. After opening for Spirit, Page and Plant both had similar visions of Hendrix appearing and personally telling them to make the song theirs. Randy California, who was jealous of the fame he thought was rightfully his, was upset, but Page and Plant knew the truth...
My theory is that back when Randy California, who wrote the song Taurus, was working with Hendrix as The Blue Flame, Jimi showed that riff to Randy, saying something along the lines of, "This riff's got the potential for somebody to make it into a great song, but it's not really my style." And Jimi knew SOMEONE would because of his ability to predict the future, which was proved with "The Ballad of Jimi". Randy, thinking it was HIS destiny to make that song great, he released a disappointing...
big humdidly fucking whoop! just because the chords are the same for that one part doesnt me shit! fuck you, and fuck stupid people! LEDZEP RULEZ!!!! XD
@MrLeemurman You know Led Zeppelin use to open for Spirit. Spirit was one of the biggest bands in Los Angeles in the 1960's and 70's. So have a little respect.
@SirBraxton1989 I didnt say anything bad about Spirit, im saying people shouldnt be bitchin about Led sounding the same as that song, so have respect for my opinion you cake-eating jerk!!
Me parece que si es plagio, si escuchas toda la cancion de el grupo SPIRIT cuya cancion es TAURUS suena igual que el comienzo de esta gran cancion llamada STARWAY TO HEAVEN de LED ZEPPELIN devieron de darles creditos. salu2
@SF11BOMBS u should go check dazed and confused,im gona leave you,black mountain side, lemon song,sepelling didnt write this songs but did excellent covers of them. despite all that im a zepplin fan :D
Without bonham,jimmy page,the music will never had the music that now we listen,like punk music,metal,hard rock,grunge..all.....and not only the led zeppelin,too many artists did like them...but how they played,(specially Bonham) was a revolution for all the world..... so,the past is past,led zeppelin still to be the best rock band,but maybe just bastard...but aways Led Zeppelin..(sorry for my english,I hope you understand me)
Sorry but why would you settle out of court? To avoid big expenses and negative publicity? This is rock-n-roll history. Led Zep is considered by many the greatest rock band of all time and it really sucks that they have "settled" with more than one artist. The Lemon Song for example, I mean give me a break! Those are not Led Zep's lyrics! The music from Moby Dick is a complete rip off. Can't be coincidence. I will always enjoy their music but my perception of them as authors has changed.
this example here is a weak example. although, the introduction should have been credited to the band Spirit, but really the song was Zeppelins.
this doesn't get them off the hook by any means. there are examples where they went far beyond this. which, puts a lot of their music in doubt. they took time and time again, and they never credited most of those they directly took from.
Well, the chord progression plays for a lot of the Song. It just isn't used in the intro and also, Zeppelin also opened for the band Spirit early on, so there is an obvious connection there. It would seem, that the intro was lifted and never credited. They did this on several occasions, and I think they thought nobody would notice if the people they did it to had fallen into obscurity.
just to add, I still think Stairway belongs rightly as a Zeppelin tune, it just isn't not as original as some have thought. Look into these --Jake Holmes-Dazed and Confused, then compare how Jimmy Page took this song with the Yardbirds, listen to their version. AGain, Holmes opened for the Band the Yardbirds, so there was again an obvious connection. A riff here or there and a lyric here or there is acceptable to most, but they certainly went far beyond this.
It's easy to say well they just improved a lesser song and Spirit also borrowed as well. The difference is one made fame and fortune and the other did not. If they stole or borrowed improved how ever you phrase it the fact remains that maybe they could have at least acknowledged it. I mean now if a DJ remixed a Zep song and had a hit of of one riff I bet Zep would have lawyers wanting a piece of it.
In my opinion, Jimmy Page took a half-baked and half-assed idea that Spirit had had, and turned it into one of the most memorable rock classics of all time. The Spirit tune noodles around for a minute and a half and doesn't really go anywhere. The Zeppelin tune builds and builds and builds. Spirit should be condemned for having a good idea and not knowing what to do with it. The only similarity is a trivial one, in the opening bars.
@lexo30 Agreed. Any similarity between the two songs is superficial, and you only hear it in the first 10 seconds of the songs. The descending chords sound similar at first, but that's about it. The rest of the songs are totally different from each other. Even if the opening chords are similar, plenty of rock songs have similar chords and are still different songs. Nobody owns certain chord progressions. Zeppelin may have opened for Spirit, but "Stairway" was their masterpiece.
Totally agree with williamblackwolf. only that one descending line is similar. The rest of the song structure, other chord progressions, the lyrics, the build up of the song, the solo, are nothing like Taurus. That beginning part is a simple walk down, neither band was the first to do that in a song. Almost nothing is original. The people Zeppelin borrowed from were borrowing from other people too.
@kildare97 I am guessing by your vocabulary you are indeed a musician, but no artist. Musicians may think imitation is flattery, but artists know it as the death of creativity.
Considering Led Zeppelin wrote The song remains the same,The rain song,no quarter,STAIRWAY,Achilles last stand and Kashmir to name a few is OBVIOUS that they were very creative.
@kildare97 Wrote or re-wrote, that is the question. If LZ hadn't been the opening act for Spirit you maybe could let it slide, but it just hits too close to home.
@kildare97 Are you retarded? Not only were all of tohose songs ripped off from other artists, one of them from the very exact video you're watching. Then again, according to your username you were born in 97. I'll excuse your borderline braindeath because you're obviously just another musically non discerning pizza faced kindergardener.
@kildare97 If they were so original why did they lose so many court cases against the original artists, and had to settle for millions out of court? Hmmm???? Retard.
I simply said they had a vast collection of original music then you began talking to me about how those songs I listed were ripped off despite not giving me evidence for them.
You seem to not like Led Zeppelin well I fucking do so if that bothers you they have fans or make money well then boo fucking hoo! Get a life!
@iamaheron For christ sakesIts the bass notes NOTHING MORE.
Just how its picked.
And now where Is your evidence for The song remains the same,The rain song,no quarter,,Achilles last stand and Kashmir you said these were ripped off too.
@kildare97 Look to the right of your screen, little handicapped boy. There are two videos titled 'Led Zeppelin Plagiarism' Parts 1 and 2. Watch them. Have fun!
@iamaheron OH MY FUCKING GOD I'VE NEVER SEEN A BIGGER RETARD IN ALL MY LIFE.
I seen those fucking videos and where wasThe song remains the same,The rain song,no quarter,,Achilles last stand and Kashmir THEY WEREN'T THERE y'know why Because they are originals.
I stated those and then you said they were ripped off now I can see how Bring it on home is ripped off.
But clashboy didn't say jack shit about any of the songs I mentioned.
How fuckin thick are you can you even fucking read?
@kildare97 So you have over 20 plagiarized tracks and you still want people to bring you MORE proof? This is sad. It's ok though, you're only 14. When the acne clears up, you get your first pubes, you get laid, and grow up, you'll grow discerning towards music and see what a sham Led Zeppelin are. I guess being Irish isn't helping on the 'stupid' part either.
@iamaheron Shut your fucking mouth you stupid portuguese queerbag.
I ASKED YOU TO SHOW ME THE SONGS I LISTED WHAT SONGS THEY WERE RIPPED OFF.
also The guy that made those vids IS IRISH.
Your a disenchanted freak honestly get a fuckin life You don't fuckin know me and the fact you think about a 14 year old boys pubes makes me afraid that people like you arearound
Also is robert johnson a ''sham''?Nope How bout howlin wolf nope.
Why do you even give a shit for me The music comes 1st details 2nd
@kildare97 I know enough about you to know that your mommy should cut internet acess. You are a poster boy for why the internet should be forbidden to non-supervised underaged people. Either that, or for abortion.
Reading through these comments is made me realise a 14 year old just made valid points and you just keep saying''Huh huh retard'' Well fuck you And I would also like to see where The Rain Song Or Kashmir ripped from.
Leave him the fuck alone!Have you nothing better to do?
I've been proven that a 14 year old can give a valid arguement while his adult(or teen?)counterpart is being fucking childish,
@BleachTW And wait, I just noticed. The other kid is subscribed to you and you're also 14, so you're either the exact same person or he had to cry to his pizzafaced baby friends because he lost an argument about Led Zeppelin. Wow, I don't know which one is sadder.
@kildare97 Agreed. The beginning of these two songs sound superficially similar only because they have similar descending chords and arpeggio styles (and how many rock songs have similar chord progressions?). The rest of the songs are totally different. Even assuming that Zeppelin copied the intro from "Taurus," "Stairway" has that unforgettable build-up and one of the greatest guitar solos of all time. "Taurus" does not.
@iamaheron Actually, Zeppelin did not "lose" any of the cases brought by other artists. There's been no legal finding of any wrongdoing on Zeppelin's part, and none of the artists who brought cases against them won their cases. Parties to lawsuits settle all the time because going to trial is much more time-consuming and expensive. A settlement means that all the parties voluntarily chose to settle. Zeppelin agreed to pay, and the artists chose not pursue their cases any further.
@iamaheron When a case settles, nobody actually "wins" or "loses" the case. Zeppelin didn't "lose" just because they paid money (we don't know how much they paid the artists). On the flipside, the artists who sued Zeppelin could have taken the cases all the way to trial if they thought they would "win" their cases, but they didn't. Plenty of plagiarism cases have gone to trial (ie. cases against George Harrison and John Fogerty). I'm not aware of any case against Zeppelin that has.
@avocate201 Just because it doesn't Zeppelin's cases don't go in court, doesn't mean that it's not hilarious how much they are alike. Settling a case does in public opinion only mean that you go around the courts, and the part that offers the money in the settling of the dispute, is in the public's eyes somewhat of the "looser", since that party is the party loosing/paying cash to avoid bad publicity.
@kildare97 Wrong. Most of Zeppelin's songs were ripoffs and rehashes of old blues songs. The old songwriters just didn't always have the resources to take legal action. Look at the credits for "The Lemon Song" and you'll see Chester Burnett's name in there. He had to sue to get his name added because "Lemon SOng" is a complete ripoff of his song "Killing Floor". Learn your fucking history, Junior.
About 19 songs have elements from the past(Credited or Uncredited)So you fucking take your maths class again as that is not 'most'And those 19 songs included accusations which hold no ground such as Communication Breakdown And Nobodys Fault But Mine two original songs shot down by people such as yurself.
AND Howlin wolf didn't sue them his record company did if you knew anything about him you'd know he did fair shair of ripping of
I can see how people could consider this plagiarism, especially if they don't play music themselves! For one, there's probably a lot of bias (someone who doesn't like Led Zeppelin would quickly take this chance to put this against them), but more importantly, have you ever been just playing, even making riffs or a whole song and then realized it was similar to something you had heard before? It happens, but if it's different enough, can you STILL not use it? It's called inspiration...
@texasriot You have obviously never listened to European folk music as well as Classical. Black Gospel copied Irish singing style. Suck? You are incredibly ignorant. Bob Dylan electrified white folk music and made his mark thereby and still goes on. No one sued him for playing Woody Guthrie songs, not even Arlo. Again, American blacks took nearly ALL their style from some European form, especially folk and Klezmer music. Chanting and rhythm is more African.
@texasriot Ha! Black stole everything, including their names from whites! These venerated black blues players sounded like illiterate perverts who could barely play their instruments. Then LZ came along and took the form to heights no black ever imagined. Even Jimi Hendrix called his own playing "trash" and then played a Cream song, "Sunshine" in tribute to Eric Clapton and two other whites. White blues players saved their black butts ,and YOU KNOW IT!
Of course it is taken from Taurus. Jimmy Page is a genius and so was Randy California. I love Led Zep and they did many brilliant original things ,but there is not doubt Stairway would not exsist with out Taurus. I must admit I am a bit disapointed as it does take away some of the Led Zep magic in my eyes , but only a little. Some people say they took Whole lot of Love , but that guitar riff by Page is pure genius , quite original and nothing like the Dixon song.
And what would you say for fact, that two years before premiere of Stairways Led Zepplin and Spirit played together on the same concert, and Spirit played Taurus then? I think it's a plagiarism.
btw. I can see, that there were 73 fans of Led Zepplin, who just love them too much to say that they nearly copy main riff from Spirit.
@adamajah you people are in such denial. Just because Zeppelin took an original idea and made it better, why should they deserve the credit? Stairway would've never been written if it weren't for this song. Think about what you're saying.
@texasriot Spain and Switzerland are in Europe, not Africa. Blacks are originally from Africa. The people who invented those instruments are white Euros. You made it a race issue, so there you are. So we got the banjo, oh yes. But the African banjo was nothing like the instrument the whites developed it into or how they play it. Go put that in your pipe and smoke it.
@texasriot The term "blues" came from white folk singers, not blacks. The English language is a white language, not African. Get over it. Blacks supported white English kids playing their stuff early on. Sonny Boy Williamson toured England with The Yardbirds as a back up group. He encouraged them to play his stuff and they did. Jimmy Page was in the Yardbirds, so STFU! The Yardbirds became LED ZEPPELIN. My weak ideas? You haven't got anything but your race bias to stand on.
@texasriot Your ideas are based on your race centrism and the well known practice of blacks to race hustle. Blacks got jazz from Eastern European Jews, but never give credit. Only blacks demanded money years later and only because the race hustle had been established. YOU are the racist here and expected special treatment only because these barely passable black musicians had their music played by superior musicians.
@texasriot You think you can order people away? I just took a break. Why post on my wall when you know i will delete it? LZ got rich from HOW they played those songs. The songs themselves were basic, banal lyrics, by perverted, illiterate black men. It is what LZ did with them that made EVERYONE excited. And they treated the black artists fairly, You go away.
At one time Zep was an opening act for Spirit. Zep used to do a cover of Spirit's "Fresh Garbage" live but never recorded it. "Fresh Garbage" was on the same album as "Taurus". "Taurus" was written 2 years before "Stairway to Heaven". The biggest rip off of all is Pink using the intro to "Fresh Garbage" (an exact copy) on her song "Feel Good Time".
musicians have been stealing ,,um,, sorry, borrowing from each other since music began but geeziz Jimmy, you could of been a little more subtle......on another note, are you trying to say that blacks played the blues in africa? i believe the blacks were heavily influence by hillbilly and white folk music,,,that's how the term 'white folks' came about. lol @ me
Led Zep were inspired by taurus and the decending bassline?. I mean come on, every pop punk song uses the same chord sequence and that going un noticed...
@texasriot You simply cannot assimilate ideas, can you? Black stole their styles from white folk songs before then. Rock and Roll came more from white country music (rockabilly, cajun, etc.,) than black blues, it just got popular then. The black artists got all their dead careers revived by these white guys playing their stuff, and doing it far better than they did. I think you are making this a racial thing. Blacks stole lots of "talent" from whites and used their instruments.
@texasriot Other groups like The Rolling Stones and The Yardbirds, John Mayall, Jethro Tull, Paul Butterfield, scores of others did the same. No one was worried about it then. It was only later when some down and out artists sued LZ alone because of their money. The Statue of Limitations would have disallowed those claims. Even so, LZ paid happily. LZ played what was called "heavy blues" for the first time. William Boroughs described it as "heavy metal." Forget it and adjust
@texasriot You just don't want to accept that everyone was doing it, just as much or more than LZ. It has always been done in music. Classical composers used folk songs to construct into symphonies, etc. As far as blues goes, the lyrics have always been changed around a little, but they aren't very important, "Woke up this morning, had the (insert noun) blues...." You are WRONG about LZ or anyone then intentionally trying to give the impression that they wrote the songs.
@texasriot Not necessarily. That chord pattern is not unusual and could probably be demonstrated on other songs. I have heard it on folk songs that are much earlier. You just don't understand musicology. As far as using other songs, again EVERYONE did it, so I guess everyone drops in your eyes. It was LZ interpretations that shook the world, not the lyrics or the originality of the source. It was alright then for EVERYONE. Did you learn to play doing Smoke on the Water?
@texasriot In addition, the lawsuit would have failed because the songs LZ did had been done by others as well. Singling out one band for doing what others were doing would have been a killing point for the prosecution. The situation today is entirely different. The rise of the idea of intellectual property due to record companies and artists losing high $ in sales. People steal intellectual property all the time and Lady Gaga had to know that she used material without permission.
@texasriot Yet they were covers, who has to say any particular word? You obviously did not live then, and don't realize that there was a big blues revival going on where many bands were doing old blues tunes with no credit or even knowing who wrote it. As for the lawsuit, it did not go to trial, LZ settled out of court, and are known to have been happy to pay. If it had gone to court, the suit would have been dismissed due to exceeding, by many years, the statue of limitations.
@texasriot The statue of limitation law would have seen those lawsuits dismissed, but LZ was happy to pay out of court anyway. Again, EVERYONE WAS DOING COVERS OF BLUES SONGS ALL THE TIME THEN. The forgotten black blues artists actually owe their revived careers to these guys and the overwhelmingly white, blues revival of the '60s. All the people upset here have to be too young and ignorant to know this and that doing covers is normal.
@texasriot You just don't get it, do you? Everyone was doing old blues standards then, so everybody could be accused of stealing. But no one did. Popular music, even classical music has always borrowed from earlier material. In the 60s, things were happening so fast, even companies had no idea of legalities around doing covers of extant artists material. The statue of limitations says you must make a complaint within a year of discovery. LZ had bucks, black bluesmen wanted $.
@texasriot Read the discussions above. Many songs have parts that sound like something else. So what? I don't think Spirit got too upset about it. Everyone used to jam together in those days, so who knows? But LZ came up with a far better finished product.
zep and spirit were the opening acts for vanilla fudge in 1968, so page was most probably familiar spirit's song. i think coincidence can be ruled out.
about lots of band doing covers of zep tunes and zep not "saying anything," did those bands record their covers and claim authorship? after zep was sued for plagerizing howlin' wolf's killing floor (the lemon song), they settled out of court and subsequently added wolf's name as co-writer.
@nodaysback Most bands in those days either played together at some point or knew others stuff. You don't know; Spirit may have heard Pagey strumming his guitar and thought, "Hmmm , I like that, think I'll use it for a song." Then LZ developed it more later in Stairway. People used to jam together all the time. Trying to make some sort of legal case out of it 30 years+ later is a waste of time.
@deaddoc so you think it's likely that spirit heard page playing the stairway to heaven lick prior to 1968 when spirit recorded taurus? even though the two bands were on tour together in 1968 while taurus was probably playing the song live? and page didn't bother to record "his" lick until 1971?
dude, get real.
and as far as not making a case out of it, you seem to be zep's probono defense attorney... albeit, not a very good one.
@nodaysback NO, I am saying that you are imaging way too much yourself. Many songs have parts that sound alike and people jammed together a lot in those days. YOU DON"T KNOW EITHER. I worked at rock concerts for years and its fans like you arguing over ridiculous, petty little things that would get into fights and get arrested. Funny little insult there, but I HAVE done a lot of expert testifying over the years. Your argument doesn't make LZ or anyone bad, you waste your time.
@deaddoc i didn't mean to insult you, sorry for my sarcasm. but i did mean to imply that your scenario is completely out of left field and preposterous that spirit copped the lick off of page.
as far as me fighting and getting arrested at concerts, that never happened either.
ok... no more bickering. i didn't comment here with the intentions of arguing. i just wanted to voice my opinion about something that appears to be pretty obvious.
@nodaysback Look, if Spirit felt that they had been ripped off, they could have cashed in on it, because made a lot more money than they ever did. Glad you don't go to violence over completely unknowable stuff.
@nodaysback There was a rash of black artists who sued LZ and others in the early 70s for plagiarism. I h have an article about LZ being sued by Willie Dixon. But everyone was doing old blues covers in the late 60s, LZ is no exception, just the richest. I gather that they were happy to pay the dudes some money because they respected them anyway. Once one got money, ore wanted money. But all these guys had renewed careers due to LZ, Cream, Bloomfield and many others.
@nodaysback If you go back to The Yardbirds, they were the backband for Sonny Boy Williamson's English tour in 1964. After that, they played his and others stuff, just like the Rolling Stones did with no problem. People have always done covers of others songs, with and without credit. The suing thing came about because LZ was SO successful and some people felt they deserved something. No problem, Zep paid up happily.
Led Zeppelin formed just before Spirit and were a much bigger hit. Also, some LZ songs were already being done by Page while he was in The Yardbirds, as early as '66. This is a silly issue to go on about because both bands would have liked the others take on rock. It's the fans that argue over stuff like this. Waste of time. Go play some music instead.
@deaddoc I agree with you whole heartedly. I enjoy playing guitar and Jimmy Page styles. Usually every song and band on the radio are different. They just sound similar. Every time a band plays a song it will be different, even if it's a band's original song. So all the "stealing riffs" should not be a bad thing. It's the only way to learn and get better.
@cameltooth1 Yeah, you know how people unfamiliar with a style or genre will say, "It all sounds the same to me." Some similar plucking has to occur. Artists usually don't make a big deal out of it. Even George Harrison unconsciously copied, "He's So Fine," when he wrote "My Sweet Lord." I think he paid a few bucks over that one. But so what? It doesn't make these guys evil or something. Things were happening so fast and furious in the 60s, the spirit was one of sharing.
@texasriot AND; This little demo proves nothing about where Stairway came from. Many songs have the same stings plucked somewhere in it. Only a full examination and a court could decide for certain. That has happened a few times, but hard to prove because traditionally all music is inspired by something previous or simultaneous. Some bands just do covers of others, it's not a crime.
@texasriot Everyone back then knew that many blues songs used during the late 60s blues revival was "ripped off" or better, had a cover done by many well known bands. One thing it did was bring attention and revive the careers of many forgotten black bluesmen. Willie Dixon sued LZ, but LZ was happy to pay, as were a number of other bands. But Page created more originalriffs than anyone then or since. And he didn't sue anyone who did covers of LZ songs later.
Stairway To Heaven blows away the Spirit song. It's like in that Amadeus movie where Salieri is playing something and Mozart takes it and says " But shouldn't it go more... yes! Like this."
Sorry. The song I'm thinking of by Alicia is "no one", not "falling". Falling is a good song and her voice on no one is amazing. I shouldn't really talk about pussy pop music when Zeppelin is the star. Who cares if they took riffs and songs, at least the stuff they barrowed or blatently ripped off, was better than the original or as good. Zeppelin was more talented and soulful than many other musicians and posers.
@cameltooth1 As I posted above, EVERYONE did blues covers in those days. And LZ gave credit, which is not plagiarizing. Page still created more riffs than anyone ever has. And LZ has never sued anyone for doing covers of their songs, and played them live like Bon Jovi did in '87, on his groundbreaking tour or Heart did on tour, or,... on and on. There's really nothing to feel bad about or apologize for.... people making a big deal of this are losers.
It's too bad that every pop musician these days is playing "originals" that are the same structures as shit that blink 182 and greenday always played.The chords to when i come around, dammit, what's my age again, etc. Alicia Keys song falling is exactly the same as those songs almost. I hate those progressions now.
@cameltooth1 One of the things that is holding back today's aspiring musicians is that they so obviously try to not sound like previous bands. they end up sounding thin, maybe just on meth, with no real body. There's a few exceptions out there, but traditionally the new generation just does better, or different versions of old songs with a few new one added. Enjoy playing what pleases you.
There is a claim: Stairway to Heaven was stolen from Spirit`s Taurus.
Spirit themselves nicked this song from Davy Graham`s version for Cry me a River released 10 years before.
It is quite clear that large section of Taurus was taken from Cry me a River without credits.
Please check Davy Graham song Cry me a River at youtube and remake your decision.
zacadasilva 6 days ago
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zacadasilva 6 days ago
Stairway to Heaven is a great song, but the intro is clearly stolen(Jimmy hears the song writen by The Spirit for the first time after a concert with the Yardbirds, and guess what, the headliners was The Spirit). Anyone that says that are two different song(referencing to the intro), well, has a problem. Another example is the bass line and the riff on Dazed and Confused, originally composed by Jake Holmes, was litterally copyed by LZ.
Anyway i've played LZ songs for years.
NightDreamer87 2 weeks ago
Hardly any similarity at all! Just some plucking noises that both songs share! Conspiracy theory nonsense.
DancinJim 2 weeks ago
Melody is the same, Led Zeppelin played it in a different way
Mariooo57 3 weeks ago
I'm not a musician or anything, but both sound completely different. Even speeding up the tempo on the Spirit song wouldn't make it a rip off. Influenced? Highly likely. Stole? No way. Making it 100 times better? Definitely
JohnLocke2012 3 weeks ago 2
How little Led Zeppelin fans want to admit that someone else existed before their God Jimmy Page. As if Life Does Not Imitate Art? I suppose they'd also defend on technicalities that Page also ripped off Bert Jansch's [later of Pentangle fame] tune 'Black Water Side'? Please do your history research and learn. How many here can even play a musical instrument [not including the ipod] ? [*See 'Down By Blackwaterside' in Wikipedia]
cosmiclight 3 weeks ago
@cosmiclight
There is quite clearly a similarity, in one small segment of both songs. The inspiration obviously came from Spirit, BUT - this is where artistry comes into play. LZ took a kernel, and made a complete package. Listen to the entire songs, not just snippets edited to prove a point. There's a reason EVERYBODY knows Stairway to Heaven, and almost nobody knows Taurus! Just because I can't PLAY a musical instrument... or write music, doesn't mean I can't appreciate it.
ozvaleron 2 weeks ago
Not even close, you think one chord progression in the same key makes for ripping someone off? No way, influencing, sure. Stairway is like 8 minutes long and you have only a chord progression that sounds similar, used 3 times in the song, but is actually different chords and notes with a different tempo in that very chord progrssion. Sheet music side by side would look completely different.
666Grimmy666 3 weeks ago
whatever, Led Zeppelin rocks.. Its a common chord progression. They obviously took it beyond anything else.
adaptogen23 3 weeks ago
TheFurrySmurf is totally correct. I knew Randy California. Zeppelin opened for them based on their hit I've Got a Line on You. Randy was a great guitarist who got his name from Jimi Hendrix who wanted him to join The Experience when he was only 15. His parents would allow it.
drbenk 4 weeks ago
Все, пизда, перестаю слушать лед зеппелин, перехожу на спирит, лед зеппелин ублюдки, пидоры, плагиаторщики, пизда джигурда спирит рулит труба шатал лестница в небо таурус похуй
sergeyalextar 1 month ago
influence, that's what I decide
Juviex 1 month ago 5
Led Zeppelin stole most of their material without paying the artists.
SenatorPhoenix 1 month ago
doesn't sound the same to me at all :/
Babyluvstheblues 1 month ago
Also, listen to Page's riffs. Complex, but keep playing same thing over, over, etc. Listen to Rock n' Roll. Bonham's drums same way. The Who is much more complex and more enjoyable.
sparebeer24 1 month ago
Page is a poser. Great talent, just ripped everybody off. Also tried to take credit for Dave Davies' solo on "You Really Got Me."
sparebeer24 1 month ago
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@sparebeer24 Jimmy Page never claimed that, stupid. It's people who said that.
MrAALoveMrsAA 1 month ago
@sparebeer24
Actually Page stated in an interview during the 70's that he had not done the solo.
666Grimmy666 3 weeks ago
Los primeros acordes son los mismos... Pero la magnífica composicion Starways to heaven la desarrolló Page, como se puede ver. Solo se necesita ver el video de Led Zeppelin, `para ver y escuchar tan magnifica pieza. Este video de Taurus Spirit, tiene su truco .... solo suenan 10 segundos de la canción... y el resto?????
ArnauUM 1 month ago
Pretty funny given that The Chocolate Watchband lifted those same chords for a song called "And She's Lonely" from 1969 - evidently also after "Taurus." How come all you music know-it-alls aren't jumping all over them? For bronco3250: A few bars of the opening chords of Stairway To Heaven sound a lot like this, but from there on out Led Zeppelin created their own (much better) song. And how come no one's after Eric Clapton for "Let It Grow", either? Sounds like all of these songs to me!
ThuslyBoned 1 month ago
If using the same chord progression as another band was plagiarism, a LOT of musicians would be screwed. Chord progressions are chord progressions. They don't really matter. It's melodies and lyrics that get people in trouble.
MQRED011 1 month ago
Umm, sounds like 8 seconds of Spirit.
bramachari 1 month ago
If they sound so much the same, why is one considered by many the greatest rock song of all time, and the other.....not so much?
Marketing?
bronco3250 1 month ago
@bronco3250 LYRICS. SOLO. MORE CHORDS.
TheLorfhoose 1 month ago
They also went on tour that year with support band Led Zeppelin, who were heavily influenced by Spirit—Led Zeppelin played an extended medley during their early 1969 shows, Jimmy Page's use of a theremin has been attributed to his seeing Randy California use one that he had mounted to his amplifier, and it is now widely accepted that Page lifted the descending guitar figure from Spirit's instrumental "Taurus" for Led Zeppelin's signature tune "Stairway To Heaven"
AlbinTalik 2 months ago
Focusing simply on the chord progression is NOT LISTENING, folks. It is the PRODUCTION of those chords that shows either a "tribute" or a plain "steal".
Wikipedia says " it is now widely accepted that Page lifted the descending guitar figure from Spirit's instrumental "Taurus" for Led Zeppelin's signature tune "Stairway To Heaven". Spirit and LZ toured and played together a couple of years before Stairway was released.
ViennaForever 2 months ago
Led Zeppelin opened for Spirit and heard the song then stole it.
TheFurrySmurf 2 months ago 7
-.-!
giamarco562 2 months ago
maaybe, just maybe. they based the intro on this Spirit song. But fuck that, is just a 10 second intro, then they made one of the gratest songs ever!
jorpbyngwiefan 2 months ago
you think this is bad most pop songs all have the same 3 chord progressions, the same recycled formulas over and over again whether the artist knows it or not but I sure notice
thepossessor 2 months ago
You guys are in fuckin denial, it's not exact, but it's the same chords
AnimusAeternus 2 months ago
That's a simple riff anybody can learn if they sit down with a guitar player for a few minutes.
vintagesupermodified 2 months ago
Not the freakin' same, man!
TheFunkadelicFan 2 months ago
Very similar and in the same key but not the same thing. If anything Jimmy page took and made it into an incredible song that they never would of thought of.
4578a 2 months ago
It's a tribucidencgiarism
Agoonga 2 months ago
well I thought it too, but when you start playing guitar.. it's even funny. you get barre on 5th fret and going 3 notes down on 3th string? i mean it's like obvoius thing for C scale in that place ;D i think lots of people found out this lick, and nobody could use it because it reminds them stairway to heaven , TROLOLO/
Holms 2 months ago
nothing but a very common minor key progression used thousands of times before these cats were even born. that's all it is.
kunzangrangdrol 2 months ago
When you touch a chord, then that chord is completely yours? Bah, sounds totally different. Led Zeppelin was a band not only known for stairway to heaven. Led Zeppelin FTW.
abrahamluengo93 2 months ago
no way inhell they two totally different songs lead in was not plagerized
stonegargoyle 2 months ago
they sound completely diffrent
MinusBarbie 2 months ago
FUCK LED ZEPPELIN
crackmcsmoke 2 months ago
haha, funny how you people think this is plagiarism, back in the 60s and 70s, everyone stole each others licks, and used them to make songs. Barbra Streisand? Main sound stole from Boney M's gotta go home. And you are saying that this is plagiarism? Led Zep toured with Taurus, and he happened to use this tune and remixed it. You can't blame them.
compulseable 2 months ago
Extremely, extremely popular chord progression in 60's and 70's. (Example: middle eight in Lennon's "And your bird can sing.") Arpeggiation may be unique, but this isn't enough to warrant a plagiarism charge. It depends where the songs go, and clearly they diverge mightily. This riff isn't Stairway. It is just simply a representation.
jgentleman07 3 months ago
Pointless.
SvenTviking 3 months ago
Это мелодия проигрывается только первые 2 минуты (Stairway), позже эти аккорды не появляются
DOMESTOS229 3 months ago
straight up plagiarism seeing as how spirit opened for zeppelin before led zeppelin 4
brently16 3 months ago 2
the riffs arent the same, they just kinda sound alike, that doesnt make t plagiarism
Hubbleknarf 3 months ago
Okay so the main riff is similar, but the solo from Stairway to Heaven is an original work of art.
VJVswan 3 months ago
@VJVswan The main problem, is different.
In the 1970's to make a good song, you had to seek from various sources, to complete your hard work. Because if you have a cool riff/solo etc. its not too much to make a hit.
In the 1970's Led Zeppelin got those rip offs. But its for me even better than nowadays music ... Nowadays ripoffs like Duck Sauce, arent rip offs. There are clearly plagiated.
KISSbestfan 3 months ago
If this helps, I can play both songs on guitar(at least the intro to "taurus") and there is an obvious contrast from that perspective. Also...lets face it, every fucking band is a plagiarist-its sad that DJ's and journalists have run out of material to harp on; LZ has more than proved themselves as worthy
blitzshriek999 3 months ago
if someone had actually conjoined both songs, the result would be akin to that of sexual intercourse.
forsthe 3 months ago
...2:38 long song, though it still had traces of Hendrix's style. After opening for Spirit, Page and Plant both had similar visions of Hendrix appearing and personally telling them to make the song theirs. Randy California, who was jealous of the fame he thought was rightfully his, was upset, but Page and Plant knew the truth...
Crisscross31597 3 months ago
My theory is that back when Randy California, who wrote the song Taurus, was working with Hendrix as The Blue Flame, Jimi showed that riff to Randy, saying something along the lines of, "This riff's got the potential for somebody to make it into a great song, but it's not really my style." And Jimi knew SOMEONE would because of his ability to predict the future, which was proved with "The Ballad of Jimi". Randy, thinking it was HIS destiny to make that song great, he released a disappointing...
Crisscross31597 3 months ago
big humdidly fucking whoop! just because the chords are the same for that one part doesnt me shit! fuck you, and fuck stupid people! LEDZEP RULEZ!!!! XD
MrLeemurman 3 months ago
@MrLeemurman You know Led Zeppelin use to open for Spirit. Spirit was one of the biggest bands in Los Angeles in the 1960's and 70's. So have a little respect.
SirBraxton1989 3 months ago
@SirBraxton1989 I didnt say anything bad about Spirit, im saying people shouldnt be bitchin about Led sounding the same as that song, so have respect for my opinion you cake-eating jerk!!
MrLeemurman 3 months ago
Me parece que si es plagio, si escuchas toda la cancion de el grupo SPIRIT cuya cancion es TAURUS suena igual que el comienzo de esta gran cancion llamada STARWAY TO HEAVEN de LED ZEPPELIN devieron de darles creditos. salu2
hellberful 3 months ago
aqueno,
no se parece en nada.
When271 3 months ago
OMG! Haha, LedZep was amazing! Legends. Anyone that thinks they stole or covered songs are jealous. End of story u animals. All of u are animals.
SF11BOMBS 3 months ago
@SF11BOMBS u should go check dazed and confused,im gona leave you,black mountain side, lemon song,sepelling didnt write this songs but did excellent covers of them. despite all that im a zepplin fan :D
locote031 3 months ago
jajaja oasis wonderwall sounds like boulevard of broken dreams, an it is not plagious
antononono 3 months ago
They are very similar but yet i wouldn't called it plagiarism.
doodleguitarist 4 months ago
Seriously? because the first 4 bars are similar? It is called INFLUENCED BY!
jpirard 4 months ago
It sounds similar at first but then it changes all over the place rendering it different.
Jamcad01 4 months ago
Without bonham,jimmy page,the music will never had the music that now we listen,like punk music,metal,hard rock,grunge..all.....and not only the led zeppelin,too many artists did like them...but how they played,(specially Bonham) was a revolution for all the world..... so,the past is past,led zeppelin still to be the best rock band,but maybe just bastard...but aways Led Zeppelin..(sorry for my english,I hope you understand me)
grungedrugo 4 months ago
the first chord is the same and the bass line is the same, melody and other chords and picking is different
TheWallGuitar 4 months ago
Sorry but why would you settle out of court? To avoid big expenses and negative publicity? This is rock-n-roll history. Led Zep is considered by many the greatest rock band of all time and it really sucks that they have "settled" with more than one artist. The Lemon Song for example, I mean give me a break! Those are not Led Zep's lyrics! The music from Moby Dick is a complete rip off. Can't be coincidence. I will always enjoy their music but my perception of them as authors has changed.
cabj10 4 months ago
@cabj10 Wrong.
Moby Dick has the same 12 bars pattern as that other song.
BTW That riff was from an old yardbirds
BleachTW 4 months ago
when you play the bands to see if there similair dont play both bands at the same time becuase its hard to tell
mark12130 4 months ago
It was admitted that Page stole this intro, Taurus has acknowledged this and is okay with it. It's called researching.
LordHondros 4 months ago
this example here is a weak example. although, the introduction should have been credited to the band Spirit, but really the song was Zeppelins.
this doesn't get them off the hook by any means. there are examples where they went far beyond this. which, puts a lot of their music in doubt. they took time and time again, and they never credited most of those they directly took from.
babystinky 5 months ago
@babystinky Why should spirit deserve a credit if only 10 seconds is used.
PLEASE SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE
BleachTW 5 months ago
@BleachTW
Well, the chord progression plays for a lot of the Song. It just isn't used in the intro and also, Zeppelin also opened for the band Spirit early on, so there is an obvious connection there. It would seem, that the intro was lifted and never credited. They did this on several occasions, and I think they thought nobody would notice if the people they did it to had fallen into obscurity.
babystinky 5 months ago
@babystinky but its just 15 seconds a very weak example ineed
BleachTW 5 months ago
@BleachTW
just to add, I still think Stairway belongs rightly as a Zeppelin tune, it just isn't not as original as some have thought. Look into these --Jake Holmes-Dazed and Confused, then compare how Jimmy Page took this song with the Yardbirds, listen to their version. AGain, Holmes opened for the Band the Yardbirds, so there was again an obvious connection. A riff here or there and a lyric here or there is acceptable to most, but they certainly went far beyond this.
babystinky 5 months ago
It's easy to say well they just improved a lesser song and Spirit also borrowed as well. The difference is one made fame and fortune and the other did not. If they stole or borrowed improved how ever you phrase it the fact remains that maybe they could have at least acknowledged it. I mean now if a DJ remixed a Zep song and had a hit of of one riff I bet Zep would have lawyers wanting a piece of it.
cacaman68 5 months ago
a guitar can only do so much, its very similar but the sound page creates is far far beyond anything spirit could ever produce.
drubekalb 5 months ago
In my opinion, Jimmy Page took a half-baked and half-assed idea that Spirit had had, and turned it into one of the most memorable rock classics of all time. The Spirit tune noodles around for a minute and a half and doesn't really go anywhere. The Zeppelin tune builds and builds and builds. Spirit should be condemned for having a good idea and not knowing what to do with it. The only similarity is a trivial one, in the opening bars.
lexo30 5 months ago
@lexo30 Agreed. Any similarity between the two songs is superficial, and you only hear it in the first 10 seconds of the songs. The descending chords sound similar at first, but that's about it. The rest of the songs are totally different from each other. Even if the opening chords are similar, plenty of rock songs have similar chords and are still different songs. Nobody owns certain chord progressions. Zeppelin may have opened for Spirit, but "Stairway" was their masterpiece.
avocate201 4 months ago
@avocate201 Totallity agree!!
ClaussXeroS 4 months ago
Totally agree with williamblackwolf. only that one descending line is similar. The rest of the song structure, other chord progressions, the lyrics, the build up of the song, the solo, are nothing like Taurus. That beginning part is a simple walk down, neither band was the first to do that in a song. Almost nothing is original. The people Zeppelin borrowed from were borrowing from other people too.
sekantbrekfast 5 months ago
Taurus by Spirit sounds like Davy Graham's "Cry Me A River" .
Tribute, coincidence, or plagiarism? You decide.
LaughingGravy31 5 months ago
@LaughingGravy31
Wow, just a slowed down version!
StryderLyn 5 months ago
Now Why don't we fast forward 45 secs in Stairway and rewind a minute in Taurus.
If your playing 14 seconds of each song then its unfair Why don't you play all of both.
Most of you aren't musicians here's my advice FUCK OFF.
In the world of music people do this ALL THE TIME.
Phhhhhh Just check the blues for example
kildare97 5 months ago
@kildare97 I am guessing by your vocabulary you are indeed a musician, but no artist. Musicians may think imitation is flattery, but artists know it as the death of creativity.
southernaccent 5 months ago
@southernaccent Maybe so.
Considering Led Zeppelin wrote The song remains the same,The rain song,no quarter,STAIRWAY,Achilles last stand and Kashmir to name a few is OBVIOUS that they were very creative.
kildare97 5 months ago
@kildare97 Wrote or re-wrote, that is the question. If LZ hadn't been the opening act for Spirit you maybe could let it slide, but it just hits too close to home.
southernaccent 5 months ago
@kildare97 Are you retarded? Not only were all of tohose songs ripped off from other artists, one of them from the very exact video you're watching. Then again, according to your username you were born in 97. I'll excuse your borderline braindeath because you're obviously just another musically non discerning pizza faced kindergardener.
iamaheron 5 months ago
@iamaheron Suck my fucking dick.
THOSE WERE ORIGINAL.
Including Stairway why the fuck do you care anyway just enjoy the fucking music
kildare97 5 months ago
@kildare97 If they were so original why did they lose so many court cases against the original artists, and had to settle for millions out of court? Hmmm???? Retard.
iamaheron 5 months ago
@iamaheron I never denied it did I?
I simply said they had a vast collection of original music then you began talking to me about how those songs I listed were ripped off despite not giving me evidence for them.
You seem to not like Led Zeppelin well I fucking do so if that bothers you they have fans or make money well then boo fucking hoo! Get a life!
kildare97 5 months ago
@kildare97 Evidence? This exact video. Including Stairway. You are so dumb... It is sad.
iamaheron 5 months ago
@iamaheron For christ sakesIts the bass notes NOTHING MORE.
Just how its picked.
And now where Is your evidence for The song remains the same,The rain song,no quarter,,Achilles last stand and Kashmir you said these were ripped off too.
Now c'mon let me hear these songs
kildare97 5 months ago
@kildare97 Look to the right of your screen, little handicapped boy. There are two videos titled 'Led Zeppelin Plagiarism' Parts 1 and 2. Watch them. Have fun!
iamaheron 5 months ago
@iamaheron OH MY FUCKING GOD I'VE NEVER SEEN A BIGGER RETARD IN ALL MY LIFE.
I seen those fucking videos and where wasThe song remains the same,The rain song,no quarter,,Achilles last stand and Kashmir THEY WEREN'T THERE y'know why Because they are originals.
I stated those and then you said they were ripped off now I can see how Bring it on home is ripped off.
But clashboy didn't say jack shit about any of the songs I mentioned.
How fuckin thick are you can you even fucking read?
kildare97 5 months ago
@kildare97 So you have over 20 plagiarized tracks and you still want people to bring you MORE proof? This is sad. It's ok though, you're only 14. When the acne clears up, you get your first pubes, you get laid, and grow up, you'll grow discerning towards music and see what a sham Led Zeppelin are. I guess being Irish isn't helping on the 'stupid' part either.
iamaheron 5 months ago
@iamaheron Shut your fucking mouth you stupid portuguese queerbag.
I ASKED YOU TO SHOW ME THE SONGS I LISTED WHAT SONGS THEY WERE RIPPED OFF.
also The guy that made those vids IS IRISH.
Your a disenchanted freak honestly get a fuckin life You don't fuckin know me and the fact you think about a 14 year old boys pubes makes me afraid that people like you arearound
Also is robert johnson a ''sham''?Nope How bout howlin wolf nope.
Why do you even give a shit for me The music comes 1st details 2nd
kildare97 5 months ago
@kildare97 I know enough about you to know that your mommy should cut internet acess. You are a poster boy for why the internet should be forbidden to non-supervised underaged people. Either that, or for abortion.
iamaheron 5 months ago
@iamaheron Your the stupid one!
Reading through these comments is made me realise a 14 year old just made valid points and you just keep saying''Huh huh retard'' Well fuck you And I would also like to see where The Rain Song Or Kashmir ripped from.
Leave him the fuck alone!Have you nothing better to do?
I've been proven that a 14 year old can give a valid arguement while his adult(or teen?)counterpart is being fucking childish,
BleachTW 5 months ago
@BleachTW 'Your the stupid one'? My stupid one? Which one? Of course, only someone with an anime username could be this fucking dumb.
iamaheron 5 months ago
@iamaheron What I don't even fucking watch anime you cunt.
And your the reason for retard hospitals
BleachTW 5 months ago
@BleachTW And wait, I just noticed. The other kid is subscribed to you and you're also 14, so you're either the exact same person or he had to cry to his pizzafaced baby friends because he lost an argument about Led Zeppelin. Wow, I don't know which one is sadder.
iamaheron 5 months ago
@kildare97 Agreed. The beginning of these two songs sound superficially similar only because they have similar descending chords and arpeggio styles (and how many rock songs have similar chord progressions?). The rest of the songs are totally different. Even assuming that Zeppelin copied the intro from "Taurus," "Stairway" has that unforgettable build-up and one of the greatest guitar solos of all time. "Taurus" does not.
avocate201 4 months ago
@avocate201 Yes I know.
Taurus is boring as all hell Stairway is beutiful piece of music
kildare97 4 months ago
@iamaheron Actually, Zeppelin did not "lose" any of the cases brought by other artists. There's been no legal finding of any wrongdoing on Zeppelin's part, and none of the artists who brought cases against them won their cases. Parties to lawsuits settle all the time because going to trial is much more time-consuming and expensive. A settlement means that all the parties voluntarily chose to settle. Zeppelin agreed to pay, and the artists chose not pursue their cases any further.
avocate201 4 months ago
@avocate201 Oh, so Led Zeppelin 'didn't' 'lose' because they paid the artists out of court to avoid more court time and negative publicity. Ok.
iamaheron 4 months ago
@iamaheron When a case settles, nobody actually "wins" or "loses" the case. Zeppelin didn't "lose" just because they paid money (we don't know how much they paid the artists). On the flipside, the artists who sued Zeppelin could have taken the cases all the way to trial if they thought they would "win" their cases, but they didn't. Plenty of plagiarism cases have gone to trial (ie. cases against George Harrison and John Fogerty). I'm not aware of any case against Zeppelin that has.
avocate201 4 months ago
@avocate201 Just because it doesn't Zeppelin's cases don't go in court, doesn't mean that it's not hilarious how much they are alike. Settling a case does in public opinion only mean that you go around the courts, and the part that offers the money in the settling of the dispute, is in the public's eyes somewhat of the "looser", since that party is the party loosing/paying cash to avoid bad publicity.
SixBarrelSyndicate 4 months ago
@kildare97 Wrong. Most of Zeppelin's songs were ripoffs and rehashes of old blues songs. The old songwriters just didn't always have the resources to take legal action. Look at the credits for "The Lemon Song" and you'll see Chester Burnett's name in there. He had to sue to get his name added because "Lemon SOng" is a complete ripoff of his song "Killing Floor". Learn your fucking history, Junior.
jjk717 5 months ago
@jjk717 Zep had 87 songs
About 19 songs have elements from the past(Credited or Uncredited)So you fucking take your maths class again as that is not 'most'And those 19 songs included accusations which hold no ground such as Communication Breakdown And Nobodys Fault But Mine two original songs shot down by people such as yurself.
AND Howlin wolf didn't sue them his record company did if you knew anything about him you'd know he did fair shair of ripping of
So why don'tyoulearn yourfuckin history
kildare97 5 months ago
I can see how people could consider this plagiarism, especially if they don't play music themselves! For one, there's probably a lot of bias (someone who doesn't like Led Zeppelin would quickly take this chance to put this against them), but more importantly, have you ever been just playing, even making riffs or a whole song and then realized it was similar to something you had heard before? It happens, but if it's different enough, can you STILL not use it? It's called inspiration...
1234gnrslash 5 months ago
So Jimmy took shitty songs and made them rock. And the rest is history for losers.
leddhed 5 months ago
OMG HOW DARE HE USE THE INTRO OMG
kildare97 5 months ago
led zepp is nothing but a covers band...fuck off led zep you frauds
bustballz 5 months ago
@texasriot You have obviously never listened to European folk music as well as Classical. Black Gospel copied Irish singing style. Suck? You are incredibly ignorant. Bob Dylan electrified white folk music and made his mark thereby and still goes on. No one sued him for playing Woody Guthrie songs, not even Arlo. Again, American blacks took nearly ALL their style from some European form, especially folk and Klezmer music. Chanting and rhythm is more African.
deaddoc 5 months ago
@texasriot Ha! Black stole everything, including their names from whites! These venerated black blues players sounded like illiterate perverts who could barely play their instruments. Then LZ came along and took the form to heights no black ever imagined. Even Jimi Hendrix called his own playing "trash" and then played a Cream song, "Sunshine" in tribute to Eric Clapton and two other whites. White blues players saved their black butts ,and YOU KNOW IT!
deaddoc 5 months ago
Of course it is taken from Taurus. Jimmy Page is a genius and so was Randy California. I love Led Zep and they did many brilliant original things ,but there is not doubt Stairway would not exsist with out Taurus. I must admit I am a bit disapointed as it does take away some of the Led Zep magic in my eyes , but only a little. Some people say they took Whole lot of Love , but that guitar riff by Page is pure genius , quite original and nothing like the Dixon song.
alexlancer11 6 months ago
And what would you say for fact, that two years before premiere of Stairways Led Zepplin and Spirit played together on the same concert, and Spirit played Taurus then? I think it's a plagiarism.
btw. I can see, that there were 73 fans of Led Zepplin, who just love them too much to say that they nearly copy main riff from Spirit.
Adios720 6 months ago
There a million songs that share similar finger picked chord progressions.
And if Page did "steal" it, he made it so much better that Zepp deserves the credit.
adamajah 6 months ago
@adamajah you people are in such denial. Just because Zeppelin took an original idea and made it better, why should they deserve the credit? Stairway would've never been written if it weren't for this song. Think about what you're saying.
StephenHardyMusic 6 months ago
@StephenHardyMusic So your telling me They should have given him credit despite only 10 seconds were used?
Stairway still would have been written just with a different intro
kildare97 5 months ago
@texasriot Spain and Switzerland are in Europe, not Africa. Blacks are originally from Africa. The people who invented those instruments are white Euros. You made it a race issue, so there you are. So we got the banjo, oh yes. But the African banjo was nothing like the instrument the whites developed it into or how they play it. Go put that in your pipe and smoke it.
deaddoc 6 months ago
@texasriot The term "blues" came from white folk singers, not blacks. The English language is a white language, not African. Get over it. Blacks supported white English kids playing their stuff early on. Sonny Boy Williamson toured England with The Yardbirds as a back up group. He encouraged them to play his stuff and they did. Jimmy Page was in the Yardbirds, so STFU! The Yardbirds became LED ZEPPELIN. My weak ideas? You haven't got anything but your race bias to stand on.
deaddoc 6 months ago
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proof?link? I want more info on this
hylton7 6 months ago
@texasriot Your ideas are based on your race centrism and the well known practice of blacks to race hustle. Blacks got jazz from Eastern European Jews, but never give credit. Only blacks demanded money years later and only because the race hustle had been established. YOU are the racist here and expected special treatment only because these barely passable black musicians had their music played by superior musicians.
deaddoc 6 months ago
@deaddoc
your right about jazz music but black have never claimed jaz music to be theirs
the blues is black depressing,perverted slave music.
superior musicians?lol jimi hendrex is overrated and sucks ass
hylton7 6 months ago
@texasriot You think you can order people away? I just took a break. Why post on my wall when you know i will delete it? LZ got rich from HOW they played those songs. The songs themselves were basic, banal lyrics, by perverted, illiterate black men. It is what LZ did with them that made EVERYONE excited. And they treated the black artists fairly, You go away.
deaddoc 6 months ago
Led Zeppelin is overrated.
PSNDaSingh 6 months ago
Good artists borrow. GREAT artists steal!
twelfthfedora17 6 months ago
is not a secret that zeppelin copied that intro. so what... they are led zeppelin.
theoGnRfan 6 months ago
Spirit's version was sort of unresolved. Page finished it. He lifted the riff, though.
johnmitchel1958 6 months ago
At one time Zep was an opening act for Spirit. Zep used to do a cover of Spirit's "Fresh Garbage" live but never recorded it. "Fresh Garbage" was on the same album as "Taurus". "Taurus" was written 2 years before "Stairway to Heaven". The biggest rip off of all is Pink using the intro to "Fresh Garbage" (an exact copy) on her song "Feel Good Time".
Mojave888 6 months ago
musicians have been stealing ,,um,, sorry, borrowing from each other since music began but geeziz Jimmy, you could of been a little more subtle......on another note, are you trying to say that blacks played the blues in africa? i believe the blacks were heavily influence by hillbilly and white folk music,,,that's how the term 'white folks' came about. lol @ me
panhead58ful 6 months ago
This is dumb... You're saying one song sounds like another just because they both arpeggiated an A-minor chord...
MacJames4444 6 months ago
Led Zep were inspired by taurus and the decending bassline?. I mean come on, every pop punk song uses the same chord sequence and that going un noticed...
RobAnderson0 6 months ago
Yeah sure. And that is why we ALL rock out to Taurus to this day.
beerlager9 6 months ago
@texasriot You simply cannot assimilate ideas, can you? Black stole their styles from white folk songs before then. Rock and Roll came more from white country music (rockabilly, cajun, etc.,) than black blues, it just got popular then. The black artists got all their dead careers revived by these white guys playing their stuff, and doing it far better than they did. I think you are making this a racial thing. Blacks stole lots of "talent" from whites and used their instruments.
deaddoc 6 months ago
@deaddoc
the blues were not white folk songs the blues were black slave music play on banjos.
Its called the blues because it's depressing music.
blues can also be played on african bongos.
If the blues were white flok music why did the white people back then call it nigger music?
hylton7 6 months ago
They are both great songs in my opinion
kazemian2 6 months ago
@texasriot Other groups like The Rolling Stones and The Yardbirds, John Mayall, Jethro Tull, Paul Butterfield, scores of others did the same. No one was worried about it then. It was only later when some down and out artists sued LZ alone because of their money. The Statue of Limitations would have disallowed those claims. Even so, LZ paid happily. LZ played what was called "heavy blues" for the first time. William Boroughs described it as "heavy metal." Forget it and adjust
deaddoc 6 months ago
@texasriot You just don't want to accept that everyone was doing it, just as much or more than LZ. It has always been done in music. Classical composers used folk songs to construct into symphonies, etc. As far as blues goes, the lyrics have always been changed around a little, but they aren't very important, "Woke up this morning, had the (insert noun) blues...." You are WRONG about LZ or anyone then intentionally trying to give the impression that they wrote the songs.
deaddoc 6 months ago
@texasriot Not necessarily. That chord pattern is not unusual and could probably be demonstrated on other songs. I have heard it on folk songs that are much earlier. You just don't understand musicology. As far as using other songs, again EVERYONE did it, so I guess everyone drops in your eyes. It was LZ interpretations that shook the world, not the lyrics or the originality of the source. It was alright then for EVERYONE. Did you learn to play doing Smoke on the Water?
deaddoc 6 months ago
@texasriot In addition, the lawsuit would have failed because the songs LZ did had been done by others as well. Singling out one band for doing what others were doing would have been a killing point for the prosecution. The situation today is entirely different. The rise of the idea of intellectual property due to record companies and artists losing high $ in sales. People steal intellectual property all the time and Lady Gaga had to know that she used material without permission.
deaddoc 6 months ago
@texasriot Yet they were covers, who has to say any particular word? You obviously did not live then, and don't realize that there was a big blues revival going on where many bands were doing old blues tunes with no credit or even knowing who wrote it. As for the lawsuit, it did not go to trial, LZ settled out of court, and are known to have been happy to pay. If it had gone to court, the suit would have been dismissed due to exceeding, by many years, the statue of limitations.
deaddoc 6 months ago
@texasriot The statue of limitation law would have seen those lawsuits dismissed, but LZ was happy to pay out of court anyway. Again, EVERYONE WAS DOING COVERS OF BLUES SONGS ALL THE TIME THEN. The forgotten black blues artists actually owe their revived careers to these guys and the overwhelmingly white, blues revival of the '60s. All the people upset here have to be too young and ignorant to know this and that doing covers is normal.
deaddoc 6 months ago
@texasriot You just don't get it, do you? Everyone was doing old blues standards then, so everybody could be accused of stealing. But no one did. Popular music, even classical music has always borrowed from earlier material. In the 60s, things were happening so fast, even companies had no idea of legalities around doing covers of extant artists material. The statue of limitations says you must make a complaint within a year of discovery. LZ had bucks, black bluesmen wanted $.
deaddoc 6 months ago
led zeppelin was touring with Spirit and they let Led Zeppelin borrow the opening
MallRat666 7 months ago
@texasriot Read the discussions above. Many songs have parts that sound like something else. So what? I don't think Spirit got too upset about it. Everyone used to jam together in those days, so who knows? But LZ came up with a far better finished product.
deaddoc 7 months ago
zep and spirit were the opening acts for vanilla fudge in 1968, so page was most probably familiar spirit's song. i think coincidence can be ruled out.
about lots of band doing covers of zep tunes and zep not "saying anything," did those bands record their covers and claim authorship? after zep was sued for plagerizing howlin' wolf's killing floor (the lemon song), they settled out of court and subsequently added wolf's name as co-writer.
nodaysback 7 months ago
@nodaysback Most bands in those days either played together at some point or knew others stuff. You don't know; Spirit may have heard Pagey strumming his guitar and thought, "Hmmm , I like that, think I'll use it for a song." Then LZ developed it more later in Stairway. People used to jam together all the time. Trying to make some sort of legal case out of it 30 years+ later is a waste of time.
deaddoc 7 months ago
@deaddoc so you think it's likely that spirit heard page playing the stairway to heaven lick prior to 1968 when spirit recorded taurus? even though the two bands were on tour together in 1968 while taurus was probably playing the song live? and page didn't bother to record "his" lick until 1971?
dude, get real.
and as far as not making a case out of it, you seem to be zep's probono defense attorney... albeit, not a very good one.
nodaysback 7 months ago
@nodaysback NO, I am saying that you are imaging way too much yourself. Many songs have parts that sound alike and people jammed together a lot in those days. YOU DON"T KNOW EITHER. I worked at rock concerts for years and its fans like you arguing over ridiculous, petty little things that would get into fights and get arrested. Funny little insult there, but I HAVE done a lot of expert testifying over the years. Your argument doesn't make LZ or anyone bad, you waste your time.
deaddoc 7 months ago
@deaddoc i didn't mean to insult you, sorry for my sarcasm. but i did mean to imply that your scenario is completely out of left field and preposterous that spirit copped the lick off of page.
as far as me fighting and getting arrested at concerts, that never happened either.
ok... no more bickering. i didn't comment here with the intentions of arguing. i just wanted to voice my opinion about something that appears to be pretty obvious.
nodaysback 7 months ago
@nodaysback Look, if Spirit felt that they had been ripped off, they could have cashed in on it, because made a lot more money than they ever did. Glad you don't go to violence over completely unknowable stuff.
deaddoc 7 months ago
@nodaysback There was a rash of black artists who sued LZ and others in the early 70s for plagiarism. I h have an article about LZ being sued by Willie Dixon. But everyone was doing old blues covers in the late 60s, LZ is no exception, just the richest. I gather that they were happy to pay the dudes some money because they respected them anyway. Once one got money, ore wanted money. But all these guys had renewed careers due to LZ, Cream, Bloomfield and many others.
deaddoc 7 months ago
@nodaysback If you go back to The Yardbirds, they were the backband for Sonny Boy Williamson's English tour in 1964. After that, they played his and others stuff, just like the Rolling Stones did with no problem. People have always done covers of others songs, with and without credit. The suing thing came about because LZ was SO successful and some people felt they deserved something. No problem, Zep paid up happily.
deaddoc 7 months ago
Led Zeppelin formed just before Spirit and were a much bigger hit. Also, some LZ songs were already being done by Page while he was in The Yardbirds, as early as '66. This is a silly issue to go on about because both bands would have liked the others take on rock. It's the fans that argue over stuff like this. Waste of time. Go play some music instead.
deaddoc 7 months ago
@deaddoc I agree with you whole heartedly. I enjoy playing guitar and Jimmy Page styles. Usually every song and band on the radio are different. They just sound similar. Every time a band plays a song it will be different, even if it's a band's original song. So all the "stealing riffs" should not be a bad thing. It's the only way to learn and get better.
cameltooth1 7 months ago
@cameltooth1 Yeah, you know how people unfamiliar with a style or genre will say, "It all sounds the same to me." Some similar plucking has to occur. Artists usually don't make a big deal out of it. Even George Harrison unconsciously copied, "He's So Fine," when he wrote "My Sweet Lord." I think he paid a few bucks over that one. But so what? It doesn't make these guys evil or something. Things were happening so fast and furious in the 60s, the spirit was one of sharing.
deaddoc 7 months ago
@cameltooth1 Well, Rock on, my friend.
deaddoc 7 months ago
@texasriot AND; This little demo proves nothing about where Stairway came from. Many songs have the same stings plucked somewhere in it. Only a full examination and a court could decide for certain. That has happened a few times, but hard to prove because traditionally all music is inspired by something previous or simultaneous. Some bands just do covers of others, it's not a crime.
deaddoc 7 months ago
@texasriot Everyone back then knew that many blues songs used during the late 60s blues revival was "ripped off" or better, had a cover done by many well known bands. One thing it did was bring attention and revive the careers of many forgotten black bluesmen. Willie Dixon sued LZ, but LZ was happy to pay, as were a number of other bands. But Page created more originalriffs than anyone then or since. And he didn't sue anyone who did covers of LZ songs later.
deaddoc 7 months ago
Stairway To Heaven blows away the Spirit song. It's like in that Amadeus movie where Salieri is playing something and Mozart takes it and says " But shouldn't it go more... yes! Like this."
stringchild1 7 months ago
Very interesting....Now will someone PLEASE CREAT THE ULTIMATE MASH UPof these 2 songs !!!The full length of Stairway to heaven,PLEASE !!!
rockystone63 7 months ago
Sorry. The song I'm thinking of by Alicia is "no one", not "falling". Falling is a good song and her voice on no one is amazing. I shouldn't really talk about pussy pop music when Zeppelin is the star. Who cares if they took riffs and songs, at least the stuff they barrowed or blatently ripped off, was better than the original or as good. Zeppelin was more talented and soulful than many other musicians and posers.
cameltooth1 7 months ago
@cameltooth1 As I posted above, EVERYONE did blues covers in those days. And LZ gave credit, which is not plagiarizing. Page still created more riffs than anyone ever has. And LZ has never sued anyone for doing covers of their songs, and played them live like Bon Jovi did in '87, on his groundbreaking tour or Heart did on tour, or,... on and on. There's really nothing to feel bad about or apologize for.... people making a big deal of this are losers.
deaddoc 7 months ago
It's too bad that every pop musician these days is playing "originals" that are the same structures as shit that blink 182 and greenday always played.The chords to when i come around, dammit, what's my age again, etc. Alicia Keys song falling is exactly the same as those songs almost. I hate those progressions now.
cameltooth1 7 months ago
@cameltooth1 One of the things that is holding back today's aspiring musicians is that they so obviously try to not sound like previous bands. they end up sounding thin, maybe just on meth, with no real body. There's a few exceptions out there, but traditionally the new generation just does better, or different versions of old songs with a few new one added. Enjoy playing what pleases you.
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