Scott Lively misleading Ugandans on sexual orientation

[jones6119]

Christianity is a superstitious experiment that has failed utterly. It is time to abandon Christianity.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal I would assume that when you state that homosexuals are trying to hijack Christianity, you mean that homosexuals are interpreting the Bible and setting an example for other Christians, which is exactly what the heterosexuals of Christianity are doing. Thus, this is indirectly implying that homosexuals have less right to interpret the Bible and set an example, which is completely unjust.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Second, in my previous comment, I made no reference to sexual orientation. In fact, I wasn't even talking about anyone twisting religion around. I was talking about Christianity twisting FACTS and information around to pullinate into the religious population and maintain their religious figurehead, even if the statements and information they put out is biased, ignorant, and/or untrue

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal I never stated in any of my comments in our debate that homosexuals could reproduce by having sex with the same gender. I states that in a scientific study shown by a peer-reviewed scientific journal named NewScientist that some homosexuals are known to engage in sexual acts with other women in order to pro-create children of the their own. Again, I never suggested that homosexuals could have sex with the same gender and successfully reproduce.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@spartacandream That's basically the main method of function for modern Christian institutions: twisting of the facts and implications of Heaven and Hell in order to manipulate the world's population to place a religious figurehead on the planet.

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 Give me a freaking break. You're the one who is misleading people trying to claim "scientific" studies that say two guys can create offspring and other nonsense.

It is also gays who are twisting religion around. Straight people are the majority of Christians and they have the right to interpret the bible and set standards for other Christians. It's gays who are trying to hijack Christianity to redefine it to suit their own agenda.

[spartacandream]

Actually, heterosexuality is the broad term, as it means opposite-sexuality, as homosexuality means mansexuality. It just means you like men, and you are a man, though of course its also used to mean a woman who likes a woman. These people irritate me to no end when they mislead people to harm them.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal For the sake of the argument, let's say that homosexuals are, hypothetically, an evolutionary dead-end. Even if that is so, the amount of homosexuals in the world, more specifically, the United States, is so low, that it wouldn't even matter. In addition, the same scientific studies show that homosexuality actually spawned from evolutionary methods, thus showing that homosexuality was actually a part of "nature's intention."

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal I wouldn't exactly agree with that because there's no valid form of statistics that show that. Also, we're arguing about homosexuality, not the legitimacy of anal sex, because you think it's sexually deviant for heterosexuals as well as homosexuals...just more so for homosexuals, which makes no sense. As for the studies, you can laugh at it all you want, but it's more abundant and credible evidence than you've had throughout this entire argument.

[chuongiee]

not everyone is gay, so it's not a dead end

okay, there are still plenty of straight people out there to make babies

& why does it even matter to you

okay so a man can marry a woman

but a woman can't marry a another woman

or a man can't marry a man?

where is the right in that?

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal I am not shifting this argument towards anal sex. As for the evolutionary dead-end, it said in a credible scientific journal from an unbiased perspective that homosexuality can actually increase reproductive success. You're the one who's using vague, biased personal opinion for an argument with no facts or credibility of your own. Thus, you, are the one who's looking foolish, if anyone on this comment tread is.

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 I'm sure you'd agree that LEAST 95% of homosexuals have anal sex. So you might as well be saying "I am not shifting this argument towards rain" when talking about a storm. You make no sense, bro. As I've explained many times, gays are deviant because of what they do to rectums.

P.S. There is no such thing as butt babies. No matter how hared you pound a butthole; you're not going to make a baby. I'm LMFAO at your so called scientific study.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Your personal preference for sexual encounters and other biased opinions you may have do not account for every person in the world, heterosexual or otherwise. I've had experience in debate, and what you say isn't true either. There are many occassions where someone who says they have won the debate actually have. The only word that's "up" is "ignorance," which is the only thing you've shown throughout the entire argument.

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 Usually the person who feels the need to self proclaim themselves as the winner, is the one who lost. For example, you can say that anal sex isn't degrading & humiliating despite common knowledge porn is considered degrading for the same reason... you can even say that being 100% gay and only having sex with other men isn't an evolutionary dead end, but I'm afraid you just make yourself look foolish.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal They are definately not phantom studies. If you look the studies up, you can see that they exist and come from reliable resources. Even if men have sex with other men, the amount of heterosexual men considerably outweigh the homosexual ones, and there are several accounts that state that homosexual men, in some cases, have sex with women to produce offspring of their own. Oh, by the way, in a formal debate, just by you saying that I won the argument, I do win it. Keep that in mind

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 I was clearly being sarcastic. You say with almost every post you've won the debate, however, if you were as experienced with debate as you claim, you'd know that the person who says they've won is usually the one who lost. I couldn't maintain an erection for a million dollars to have sex with a guy, so a 100% gay guy isn't going to have sex with a female. A gay guy isn't going to have sex with a female anymore than I'm going to have sex with another guy. Word up.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Having experience in debate, because you provide little, if not no, factual evidence to uphold your argument while I provided plentiful amounts of evidence for my own, my argument outweighs yours, and if you think I'm just saying that in vain, we should just pause our argument and let the others see how they feel

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 Yeah you won the argument by saying "scientific" and claiming evidence from phantom studies. Go check out NARTH, which debunks a lot of "scientific" studies. Unfortunately, you also ruin your credibility by saying gays that only have sex with other men are not an evolutionary dead end. Maybe you can enlighten me as to exactly how that works because all this time I thought it took a male and female to produce offspring.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal No...I got my information from NewScientist, a reliable scientific source of information. You can say that homosexuals are unnatural, made by choice and evolutionary dead-ends all you want, but there is not a trace of scientific information to uphold your statement and, in contrast, increasing amounts of scientific information upholding the antithesis of your statement, saying that they're natural and not evolutionary dead-ends

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal In case if you're willing to argue that just because homosexuals actually can have children, that homosexuality is a choice and/or mental condition, scientific research proves against that. Homosexuality is scientifically something you were born with and theorized to be a result from evolutionary mechanisms, in addition to the fact that it is practiced in nature. Thus, homosexuality is natural.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Actually, I just read a scientific article that states that many homosexuals actually have children, especially those that are from foreign traditions. It also added that homosexuality is theorized to have arisen from evolutionary methods, excluding natural selection. Plus, it has been suggested that homosexuality may actually boost reproductive success, which is the main kind of success in biology.

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 You probably got your study from GLAD. There is a spectrum of homosexuality, a guy may enjoy putting something in his butt, he may want to give another guy oral, he may be bisexual, he might be flat out gay. Gays who have children are NOT flat out gay, they're the kind who were married for years then all the sudden say you know what? I'm gay now and they get a divorce. Proving it is a choice. 100% gays are an evolutionary dead end and are not what nature intended.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal However, I still state that we should conclude the argument now and see, from the perspective of our commentators, who won

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 I've said before there are no gay animals that only have sex with the same sex. Homosexuals aren't normal... Procreating plays a huge role in life. Do you really think nature intended people to be gay and reach an evolutionary dead end? THAT is the difference between gays and straight people who have anal sex. If a guy was only able to have anal sex with a woman, he'd obviously have something psychologically wrong as well.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Regardless of the legimitacy of anal sex, it is ignorantly prejudiced to say that homosexuals are more deviant than heterosexuals for having anal sex when they're doing the same thing, disregarding the genders between the action. Moreover, this thread includes heterosexuals because it includes comparisons with its antithesis. However, you seem to have shifted the argument completely towards the legitimacy of anal sex, which is not what the argument is about.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal You know, this may seem irrelevant, but this argument has shifted away from the topic of homosexuality to anal sex. I'm starting to wonder if your disapproval of homosexuals is a direct result of your disapproval of anal sex, because you seem to be arguing against it regardless of sexual orientation...

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 Obviously there is a very close relationship between gays and anal sex. I've said before that straight people who do it are deviants too, just not as much as gays because here is a big difference between a guy being attracted to a blond woman and not being attracted to women at all. Obviously nature didn't intend the latter. Also, there is a far higher percentage of gays who put it in da butt than straight people. Furthermore, this video and thread is about gays, not heteros.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal In addition to that, any unbiased person who can differentiate between fact and opinion and who has been paying attention to our argument can tell you that my opinions were supported with facts, while everything in your argument was solely biased, ill-conceived opinion. In fact, I suggest we conclude the debate now and let the other viewers and commentators make responses to our argument and see who won...

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Now, what you just stated isn't as much an opinion as it is a paralogism. One behavior in one species is not the same in another species in the field of biology. Why do you think one courtship ritual for one species doesn't work for another? Humans in engage in anal sex for mutual gratification, not to assert dominance, because that's not the motive.

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 "Humans in engage in anal sex for mutual gratification"

EXACTLY, one guy likes to be degraded and humiliated, and the other likes to do the degrading and humiliating. Like I said, porn is widely considered degrading to women for the same reason, they take it in da BUTT!! I'm backing up my "opinions" with facts as much as you are, yet you're still trying to say they're just "ill-conceived opinions" and you're giving facts. You have got to be kidding.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Based on this, what your statement amounts to is, once again, a vague personal opinion, which is, once again, not fit for a debate.

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 People in psychology say when a dog humps your leg it's doing it to assert dominance, clearly repeatedly ramming your genitals in someones rectum is degrading. Why do you think people say porn is degrading to women? It's because they take it in da butt. You're in denial man.

Kind of funny how your determination on what is opinion and fact is based solely on if you agree with it or not.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal In addition, you seem to limit anal sex only to homosexuals, as if heterosexuals do not practice this as well, only more proving my theory that your statement is ill-conceived. I'm sure ANYONE in psychology who legitimately acquired a degree in psychology, or, at least, a person with enough IQ to open a door would disagree with your statement.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal What reliable psychology resource states that anal sex is a humiliating sex act? NONE. What reliable psychology resource states that anal sex's motive is to cause humiliation? NONE. What psychology resource states that homosexuality is caused by broken links. NONE. In addition, because you failed psychology AND because your statement is not supported by studies in psychology, your statement is invalid, in addition to being ill-coceived and biased.

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 Pretty good analysis for someone who failed psychology, huh?

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Not everything I claim is a fact. My whole argument is based on personal opinion, and I choose to support it with facts from reliable source. Your ENTIRE argument is supported on personal opinion that you, yourself, claim are facts, which is not appropriate for a formal debate. You think gay sex acts are disgusting, but you haven't supported that with anything but vague personal opinion, which is again, not appropriate for a formal debate.

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 Gays are gay because of broken links. They don't associate poop with the rectum, nor do they associate the rectum they destroy with the person they say they care about.

Anyone in psychology who chooses to be honest instead of politically correct will tell you anal sex is a degrading and humiliating sex act. When someone wants to degrade and humiliate someone more than they want to keep poop off themselves, they are a sexual deviant. I don't see how someone could disagree.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal In my opinion, homosexuality isn't deviant from anything. It's biologically natural and politically/socially acceptable in most regions of the world. In fact, the only thing that homosexuality is "deviant" from is conservative religion, which is probably the catalyst for the animosity against homosexuals in the first place.

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 It's kind of funny how you make a claim and it's a fact, I make a claim and you say it's just an opinion. Gay sex acts will remain deviant and disgusting as long as poop remains disgusting. I don't see how you can say that's not true, unless you're unusual in that you don't associate poop with being disgusting.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Determening if someone is a religious fanatic isn't a right, it's just pointing out a fact, and it's a fact because both Lively and Ssampa have intense, uncritical devotion to conservative Christianity, thus explaining their actions in the country of Uganda. As for gay corporophilia...what is it deviant from, from your perspective?

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal The difference between humping a leg and homosexuality is that homosexuality, to some degree, is far more socially acceptable than humping a leg, although both are natural. I was arguing if, biologically, homosexuality is natural, which it is. In addition, the video that you told me about is not a reliable source of information because it comes from a religious fanatic, who will incorporate biased and/or distorted information to sway other religious people.

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 If you have a right to determine if someone is a religious fanatic, I have the right to decide that gay sex acts that involve poop are deviant.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal By the way, the consumption of feces for sexual pleasure is known as coprophilia, which is very uncommon in humans and practiced by both heterosexuals and homosexuals...once again, more so by heterosexuals according to studies from the APA.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal ...and the most important fact, you don't seem to know the difference between fact and opinion. "Gays eat da poo poo" is just a stupid, prejudiced opinion formed by your tiny, ignorant, poorly-developed brain. Here's another opinion shared by most of the people here: People like you, instead of having brains, have skulls filled with..."da poo poo."

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 The only reason animals attempt to have sex with the same sex is because they don't know any better. A dog has humped my leg before, does that mean it's OK for me to hump it? You make no sense. And if you want to be informed, search youtube for "EAT DA POO POO" and click on the video with over a million hits.

[xxxRAISORxxx]

@suboptimal so your comparing homosexuality with wat animals do...animals can be gay to btw....stop being so fucking ignorant....

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Who says that 90% of statistics are made up? I don't think you got that "fact" from a reliable source of information. Even if there are no purely gay animals (which, I don't know if you got that from a shitty source too), it shows homosexuality IS natural, and studies show there are no animals other than asexually-reproducing ones thus far which DON'T show homosexual acts.

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Oh, and by the way, orinincandenza doesn't need to bring up any proof to support his theory that you're retarded. You brought up proof about that on this comment section all on your own. :)

[GentlemanThunder7]

@suboptimal Statistics show 90% of pedophiles are heterosexual. Biological studies show that animals are very complex and intelligent creatures and homosexual acts occur all the time in nature. Humans also fit into the kingdom Animalia, THE SAME KINGDOM AS ANIMALS. The American Psychological Association states that homosexuality and its acts are natural as well and not a result of a mental disease. Good job at knowing your facts before making an argument. NOT

[suboptimal]

@GentlemanThunder7 First, 90% of statistics are made up. Second, there are still no gay animals that only have sex with the same sex. Finally, the most important fact... Gays eat da poo poo. Check out youtube video euXQbZDwV0w

[onetrupairing]

orientation and paraphilias are very different ass-hat

[AnAxetoGrind]

This guy shgould be raped to death...

By black guys...

Who are Muslims....

[Ubendorf]

WTF im gay and id never have sexual relations with an animal....and a CHILD WTF thats so fucking sick you know whats even sicker....this motherfucker here boy ill tell u his old ass need stay in unganda man America isnt for you dude...fuck face bitch

[wildnites558]

The DSM was changed by political pressure from homosexuals. The revision occured because of threats and political pressure, not because of any honest, scientific evidence or discovery.

[123decoeli]

How about this - you worry about what you do with your body and I'll worry about what I do with mine. Simple really.

[suboptimal]

@123decoeli: It's not quite that simple, really. Too many gays think it's funny to trick people into viewing close ups of hard core porn, so what they do with their body becomes my business.

From what gays have been teaching me ever since I was a teenager-- I'd say anyone who wants to degrade and humiliate someone they say they care about more than they want to keep poop off them, has a problem that needs to be addressed.

[RaZorXwireXbabyX]

lolwut

[90cta395]

The blood of hundreds, maybe thousands is on your hands, sir.

[HomoCyborgZombie]

Lets grant him what he's saying that psychologically, homosexuality, heterosexuality, pedophilia, polygamy, are all the same.

Then wouldn't it mean we can say that heterosexuality is BAD? Like pedophilia?

But not only that, pedophilia, when you look at it from a logical point of view, doesn't it HURT the kids? Comparing consenting adults to, what is basically, RAPE? Does he have no logic or ability to understand what the fuck he's saying?!

What an ass.

[JonathanClement140]

Why do you idiots always compare consensual sexual activities between two adults with non-consensual sex and sexual abuse?

[suboptimal]

Let me explain since you can't figure it out. Gays and pedos have similarities in that they are both completely un-natural sexual perversions. I've had as many sexual thoughts towards other guys as I have towards a plant, a rock, a kid or a walrus. That's ZERO. And I'm proud of it. Proud not to be a pervert.

If you want to engage in gay sex acts that involve poop and think you're not a sexual deviant, then I'm afraid you're in what they call DENIAL.

[JonathanClement140]

Well, that's just fucking bullshit. Homosexuality occurs in nature all the time.

Also, if you hate things that are unnatural, stop wearing clothes, stop using your computer. Infact, go out and live in the woods like an animal. Otherwise, shut your mouth about what's natural and unnatural.

[suboptimal]

1. Animals don't know any better. A dog will hump a human, a puppy, another male, etc. Just because a dog does something doesn't mean it should be acceptable for humans to do.

2. You will never find an animal that only has sex with the same sex. There are no gay animals, only animals that are confused as a result of not being smart.

You're on my prayer list.

[JonathanClement140]

Can you back this claim up?

[suboptimal]

Not my job to prove a negative.

Anyone in psychology who prefers to be honest more than politically correct will tell you that anal sex is a degrading & humiliating sex act.

If a guy wants to degrade & humiliate someone more than he wants to keep that persons poop off him, then I'd say that's a serious problem. I think we can agree that normal people don't even want their own poop on them, and sure as hell shouldn't want someone else's poop on them.

[JonathanClement140]

Well, that's YOUR opinion. If you don't like that stuff, nobody is forcing you. I don't like it either, but that doesn't mean it's immoral or that we shouldn't let gays have the same rights we do.

[suboptimal]

I'm from the Internet where there are a lot of homos who think it's funny to trick people into viewing hardcore gay porn.

I've seen gay-butt-secks in progress after I was tricked into seeing meatspin. And I've seen the absolute destruction gay-butt-secks has on the rectum after I was tricked into viewing goatse ever since I was a teenager.

His perversion has caused him to have to wear a diaper by the time he's 30. Homos have educated me and shown me proof that gay sex acts are deviant.

[orinincandenza]

@suboptimal bahahaha you're retarded

[suboptimal]

@orinincandenza Good job supporting your theory with facts, and not just making random insults without any shred of evidence. You've just proven yourself to have the superior intelligence. NOT!

[Ubendorf]

@suboptimal -- Im afraid your head is full of those rocks you say youve never thought about.....

[jerrydoubleu]

WTF is he doing in Uganda?

[newkillerstardust]

Taking advantage of Unganda's discriminatory laws.

[JustaEropeanGuy]

Probably making them commit atrocities or some other shit christians usually do.