See, here's the thing. Micro-gravity has been observed and proven. We know that if you drop a pen it falls because of gravity, that's a proven fact
Macro-gravity is a fairy tale that states that this same force actually makes PLANETS ORBIT THE SUN. Clearly it's the Sun God that makes all of this possible, but people just hate him so much that they say that the thing that makes our pens fall is the same thing that makes planets orbit
@GluttonForSex I have spend almost 20 years studying science and it is science that has led me to God. I have all the proof, but if you don't want them, don't ask.
@Concretenjeffro Evolution doesn't say we evolved from monkeys. Have fun disbelieving something just because you're too much of a dumbfuck to undertsnad it and you would rather stay with your funny little belief that a wizard did it.
@KarlxMxN "Have fun disbelieving something just because you're too much of a dumbfuck to undertsnad it" EAT YOUR WORDS. Then after that, Eat my dick!
@Concretenjeffro It's not my job to DISPROVE God, it's your job, in fact, to prove him. You have to ask yourself the same questions because otherwise you seem ignorant.
@Concretenjeffro What if that doesn't do it for me? Am I unreachable? Do you give up on me? Is it too much that I ask God to do something so simple, yet he refuses to? I am not saying God isn't real, because there is no evidence saying he is not. However, no one has proven God to exist either. So, again, how do you prove to a non believer like myself that God exists?
@halnum We are all sinners. What meret is self-rightousness? The Prophecy being forfilled today like Revelation 13:15. Our Government Leaders worship Lucifer, in order to worship him, you must have belief in Christ and God yet not worship them.
@Concretenjeffro Actually Satanism began as what we now diversify as Paganism, which had no Christian god and or gods. The Catholic Cruch simply demonized another religion in order to deter people from practicing anything but Christianity.
Revelation 10:11 And they say to me(John), "You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings."
Is John one of the witnesses?
Check out my favs, especially the one about the stars found in the bible. Pics in those videos of the Sun Moon and Stars are authentic and the end time is drawing. The stars seem to be 11 then 12 and then definitely7. Check out these symbols and signs from heaven.
evolution is proven: endogenous retroviruses. reply to this comment if you agree. please actually know what endogenous retroviruses are before disagreeing if you do.
@speedproductions797 sadly you can't prove a theory, you can show examples of it, but just like gravity, and indeed every scientific idea, the highest honor it can be awarded is a theory. math PROVES things, science disproves them.
@assassinsrock Science both proves and dissproves things, when one scientist makes a claim and brings evidence that suports the claims then other scientists will try to break the claim by dissproving the evidence, if that fails then its a scientific theory.
@Sweddude If something is proven, it is not a scientific theory, because if new evidence arises that theory can be disproven, something proven can never be disproven (at least scientifically, philosophy while I'm quite good at it, is rather usless, as it can prove, disprove, support or destroy whatever idea somebody comes up with and is internally inconsistent). This is one of the main reasons why science is MUCH stronger than creationism, our theories can alter, theres are set in biblical stone
@assassinsrock That i know my friend, i was just making a point that something doesent become a scientific theory unless its suported by hard evidence that hasnt crumbled yet and that its varius experiments are repeatable.
Alltough the theory of evolution isnt exactly my area of expertice and neither is philosophy :P
The philosophy of Creationi... Intelligent Design proponents is "I don't understand this at all. God... I mean an Intelligent Designer must of done it."
@Atriviality isnt that what atheists say? ive heard many say "i dont know, therefor i dont say say god did it". believers in god say "wow, this is so awesomely assembled that someone must have done it".
We know evolution happens, and we seek to learn about it. Thus its called theory. We know music exists and happens, and we seek to learn about it. Thus music theory. How organisms change over time and how Notes/Chords change over measures.
@69Thrasha69 What an incredibly ignorant thing to say. Music theory doesn't mean music itself is a theory, the theory of music is the notations there-in, not the object of music itself. Music, is not a theory, however, music theory exists at the consequence of people manipulating said music. (ie; you could have a theory about a 'soil', but it doesn't make the soil a theory, it just means you have a soil theory). You point is based an unreasonable, and lazy logic.
@69Thrasha69 it measures evolution. i wanted to compete your sentence. and i concur. Irreducible complexity is a bullshit theory designed by creationists.
Wow! what a ridiculous analogy....how ludicrous. Evo's always try to compare evolutionism with gravity...but we can test, demonstrate and repeat gravitational parameters, as well as musical....not so with evolution. Not so at all!
@69Thrasha69 No, a theory is a well observed, well documented, observation for occurrences in nature. A theory explains why things happen a law states why. Therefore a theory can never become a law. Actually a theory is bigger than a law.
Alright, now your just trollin me. Or you are so incredibly stupid that you actually think that you are the one who is siding with science here. Are you trollin me?
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Im not disagreeing with evolution. I'm simply stating that it is NOT A FACT. IT IS A THEORY. This is basic middle school science, dude. Human understanding of science, by nature is ever-changing and adapting as our means of observation expand. I'm just saying that no theory is fireproof, and has the potential to be dumped on its head if new observations are made. That is what a theory is by definition. And by saying it is irrefutable fact, you are making science a religion.
@adrasvaiyen if no theory is fireproof then i guess the earth is not really 100 percent round, and gravity may not be true. the theory of evolution is a fact and always will be one.
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Now you're being deliberately obtuse. Look at your previous post and then my reply to it. If you can't follow the thread then go and look at videos of funny cats or something.
Evolution is a fact, sorry brother. Evolution is a change in alleles over time, which does happen. Natural Selection is the theory you want to be debating.
Sorry to respond so late, just thought you should know the difference.
@Yankyal1 Allele frequencies. And I'm pretty sure that 'evolutionary theory' is an acceptable term. Assuming that one knows the difference between functional evolution and theoretical, of course.
It's arrogant to think humans are the only "complex" creatures. We are no different from other animals. We might be more intelligent and have bigger brains, but in terms of complexity ... there are many animals just as complex. Christians just like to see humans on a separate plane of complexity above everything else, because that's what they were taught. That we are "special". We are all biological beings with respiratory systems, digestive systems, brains, dna, etc.
Christians always talk about "proof" when it comes to evolution ... and bring up all these questions ... and scrutinize it and try to find all its flaws to tear it apart. Yet, they completely believe in a man coming back from the dead, a talking bush/donkey/snake, invisible realms, invisible mind-reading beings, water into wine, walking on water, etc ... without even caring for proof at all. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. They nitpick at evolution, but not god.
Christians all have the same "proof" of God. Just the warm fuzzy feeling they get when they sing songs. The warm fuzzy feeling they get when they see beautiful autumn leaves. It's always anecdotal ... the same way every other religion represents "proof" of the invisible beings THEY worship. Every person of every faith has proof. I know buddhists who pray, and supposedly receive blessings and luck. There's no more evidence for God/Zeus/Osiris/Thor, than there is for unicorns.
@gorilla199uncensored This is a seriously flawed stance you are taking and I dont' mean this to be an insult but your view is extremely ignorant. Let me explain, you are on the right track as far as thinking about infinite causes however where you derail is by thinking that God needed a cause.
@gorilla199uncensored God is the uncaused cause my friend/ He has no beginning and no end. He is the Alpha and the Omega. Your finite reasoning can not comprehend this and I realize that but you need to realize that being God means He is all powerfull, eternal and has zero need for a causal agent - unlike the universe which is created (by Him).
@MARK1212WHY 'Fraid not, if you proide a good logical argument or peice of evidence for the existence of ANY god, never mind YOUR god, then i can tell you that, some begrudgingly, they will all convert. Open minds and criticism naturally lead to atheism. I'd be verry happy to have a debate with you. Debates and criticism challenge the way we think, we should always challenge EVERYTHING!
@AppleMaster1 God as well as yourself knows that God is not concerned with proving anything. God exists, you know in your soul that He does exist. When you give up your ego and seek Him you will find Him. If you arrogantly try to get God to prove Himself to you - forget it. He desires to know you however you must desire to know Him.
@talon439 Your standard of evidence is ridiculous, you would not believe me if I said that I know in my soul that I can sprout wings and fly (regardless of the fact the soul has no good arguments for it). I can't show you, but I just know. YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE ME, you are basing nothing on knowledge, simply emotional conviction and wishful thinking.
@AppleMaster1 (Your standard of evidence is ridiculous, you would not believe me...) True, I wouldn't. Also true, I don't expect you to believe me. Only you can prove this to yourself by reading God's word, which does have the power to transform.
@talon439 The question is why the FUCK do you believe it, if there is insufficient evidence? By believing in something of which there is no evidence flies in the face of all of man's greatest scientific achievements - it's ridiculous so don't preach about it if you don't expect anyone to believe it. How do you know it's God's word? oh yeah, right , the bible. circular... great, shakespeare has the power to transform, people will do anything for an idea that they like, look at mormonism.
@AppleMaster1 I believe it because I had an experience with God. Although I was an athiest and was rejecting God, at the same time I truly did want to know if He existed. After many years of not going to church I finally went to make my mom happy. I dreaded it but did it for her. She had prayed for my many years. The preacher read 1: Cor 1:17-25 and God spoke to me. That experience changed my life. I have no choice but to believe after that. Since then God continues to reveal Himself to me.
@talon439 God spoke to you? think about it - it's ridiculous to think it's god that caused this funny feeling inside of you, it is more likely that you suffered a delusion, sorry for sounding like richard dawkins but he's got a good point. throughout history people are duped into putting feelings to false idols - look at mormonism, a blatent racket and forgery, yet if you talk to some of them they will tell you that god told them that it was true, samw with islam, hinduism etc etc. all the same
@AppleMaster1 I understand where you're coming from. That's what I would have thought 6 years ago. I used to argue with Christians just like some of you on here. You are right that many people are duped such as mormans, muslims, hindus etc. There is a spiritual realm and if one does not know God one is suseptible to these "voices". In fact u r under these influences. Why do I think I'm right? Because I know I don't have delusions on a daily basis and God talks with me almost every day.
@talon439 Great argument, you're saying every other religion is wrong, but yours isn't. Also you talk to most people in a mental asylum and they will tell you that they are not crazy - again, great argument.
You may feel an outside force, but the fact is that it is more likely to be a delusion - and YES the whole point of a delusion is that YOU THINK IT IS TRUE
@AppleMaster1 I'm saying ALL religions are wrong - I don't have a religion. Also, I don't feel an outside force - God speaks to my spirit. I certainly understand why you think I am delusional. I won't try to convince you otherwise. You see I consider you delusional because you are under Satan's delusion that God is not real. Having once had your delusion I will tell you that I much prefer mine. In fact I know that I have been set free from the delusion that you have.
@talon439 I can only debate with people with an open mind, I can't debate with you. You know you're being irrational, yet you still believe in fucking satan, its so stupid. dont bother replying becuae i cant be arsed anymore
@AppleMaster1 I have never had a religion...it is sad though that intelligent people believe evolution (as it is commonly understood) to be a science instead of a religion. Believe what you will...just know at some point you will know the truth - I only pray it is during this life as this is your only chance to decide where you will spend eternity.
@MARK1212WHY Now I'm not an atheist (I'm agnostic), but what you're saying isn't true. Atheism is not a belief. It is not an assertion. Atheism is a lack of belief. For example: I don't believe in bigfoot. I'm not saying bigfoot (feet, whatever) doesn't/don't exist. I'm just not convinced. Truth certainly IS my goal, but I haven't seen adequate evidence to make me believe.
@mmhmmlala I used to not understand it myself, until a little over a year ago, when I realized that I could no longer honestly call myself a Christian. (I still believe in a "God," though I think something like Einstein's view of a Deist or Pantheist kind of entity is most likely.)
It wasn't (and isn't) that I hate Christ, or even that I really had anything against Christianity. I simply can't force myself to believe. It's that simple. I am not anti-Christian. I am simply just not Christian.
@mmhmmlala So now I understand what it is to be atheist. While certain atheists may reject theism, that doesn't define what atheism is. Atheism, at its core (and by definition), is simply a lack of belief in a supernatural entity.
well not just a supernatural entity, that could be something such as a ghost, which i have no reason not to believe in ive had a few supernatural experiences.
@mmhmmlala I suppose that "supernatural entity" is too broad a term, as it describes any number of beings that wouldn't be God. Hmm... I suppose "divine" entity would be better?
@mmhmmlala You are so decieved by the evil one that you can laugh because you don't even comprehend that fact. And you gave away your hand in two ways by saying you don't give a fuck. The first is that - yes, I know you are in denial (hence you don't give a fuck) and second - I believe you really do give a fuck however because of your delusion you are rejecting God intentionally and subconsciously you realize that...thus the flippant remark. Think about it - seriously. BTW "reborn in the sky"???
@mmhmmlala Giggle snort all you want - I am praying for your soul. BTW although you may think you do whatever you want - in reality you know that you are responsible for your actions. As a Christ follower, I am set free to truly live. I have no anxiety and no fear. At the same time, I have compassion and love for you as a human soul because I know how valuable you are to God. Not because I am good because I am not - rather because God is good and His Spirit now lives in me.
@talon439 harharharharharhar man you do realize the whole point of religion is so that people will try to live an honest life and follow the rules the government put upon us, and above all so that people wont be scared of death. and factually when you die, you just die nothing is going to happen. everything you know and love will be gone. the end :) live a nice life
@mmhmmlala Yes it is true that religions have been and are used to control groups and civilizations. I really don't agree with religion of any type - in fact God hates religion. Christ did not condemn sinners while He walked the earth - He did however condemn the religous because they think they are good because they know/follow rules. God is much less concerned with rules than He is in someone knowing Him. When someone connects to the source (GOD) then they are transformed.
@talon439 you can think what you want but what really pisses me off is that this porn shop down the road wont open because some religious fucktard is protesting
@mmhmmlala As you admit, the supernatural realm is very real. The problem is those that don't know God for the most part can't see it. One's spirit must be reborn to reconnect with the source of life - God. After this happens your spiritual eyes are opened. It's kind of like a blind person thinking it is dark ouside when it is day time. Very sad, very sad indeed. There is good news though - through Christ your eyes can be opened.
Christians are stupid. The reject evolution on whatever mumbo jumbo basis they have ... but completely accept "God did it by magic" as an explanation, with no proof whatsoever. It's like the nitpick at science ... and look for missing links and fossils, but don't care to scrutinize their own supernatural beliefs. They only reject evolution because it doesn't follow their initial beliefs. That's being closed-minded. Christians have a predisposed agenda. Science doesn't.
@lesliekwan80 The funny thing is, a lot of Christian sects have absolutely no problem with evolution. Even the Catholic church, the same church that took centuries to admit Galileo was right, acknowledges the truth in evolution.
@MrClickity Catholocism and Christianity are two completely seperate things. Catholocism is not Biblical and is a religion - Chrisitanity is not a religion. In fact those that hold to evolution are much more similar to those who believe in religion than to Christians.
@lesliekwan80 <Christians are stupid. The reject evolution on whatever mumbo jumbo basis they have ... but completely accept "God did it by magic" as an explanation, with no proof whatsoever.> And you say Christians are stupid? I say you are very ignorant of what it means to be a Christian. You are correct in theory to say that science does not have a predisposed agenda however you are incorrect to assume the scientist that promote evolution fall into this category.
@talon439 People who believe evolution happened, believe in it ... not because we don't believe in God, but because it is science. People believe evolution occurred for the same reasons why they believe the earth goes around the sun. Darwin didn't say, "Hmm, I don't believe in God ... so I'll try to look for ways to explain the diversity of species". The vast majority of scientists agree that evolution is a scientific fact because of the mountains of empirical evidence there is supporting it.
@lesliekwan80 The problem I have with evolution is that scientifically only micro-evolution and natural selection can be verified. Science should be objective and weigh the evidence no matter where it leads. This is why I don't necessarily agree with creationist science and why I don't believe in macro-evolution science because they are both biased. Objective science has no real evidence for macroevo. Scientifically there's no reason to believe evolution caused new species.
@talon439 Macroevolution is just microevolution over a long period of time. That's the only distinction. If you agree microevolution occurs, there's no reason for you to NOT believe that macroevolution occurs. This is one major misconception that many Christians have. I just find it pathetic that religious people try so hard to push science away, in a desperate attempt to defend the gods they worship. It's no coincidence that Christians are the ones rejecting science.
@lesliekwan80 LOL...so sad...do you believe this? If so I can't really even argue with you at this point...your premise is wrong so I can not continue this discussion...what Christians reject science? What science do they reject? Evolution as you describe it is not science, it is make believe.
@talon439 Evolution IS science. You reject it as science because that's what you're taught in church. You're taught that everything was done by magic by a magical invisible being.You refuse to acknowledge it as science, and dismiss it as "make believe". That's how you're rejecting science. Practically all scientists believe evolution occurred, and all scientists would agree that evolution IS science. It's nothing supernatural or hocus pocus like religion. If anything is NOT science, it is god.
@lesliekwan80 As I have stated. I have only been a Christian for the last 5 years of my life. I was an athiest for twice that long. As a critical thinker I am very skeptical. Even when I rejected God I never accepted evolution - it is not objective science period. If you believe it is that's because you have not researched it OR you want to believe it. Objective science does not agree with macro-evolution. A dog can have several breeds but it is still a dog no matter how much time goes by.
@lesliekwan80 People that believe in evolution do so because they think it makes sense and is scientifically verifiable. The opposite is true however - I mean really, you believe the various life forms 'evolved' from a single cell and splintered into the various forms we have today? Really, that is what I call magic. Of course when you add millions of years it becomes easier to believe however it is still not scientifically verifiable. Once we understand C14 dating fully evolution will disappear
@talon439 But why do Christians happen to accept every other scientific theory without any qualms ... but have a huge problem with evolution? It has nothing to do with lack of evidence, or absurdity. It all has to do with evolution going against your initial beliefs. Denying science because it goes against what you already think HAS to be true, so everything else going against it has to be wrong. With that mindset, Christians go and look for holes in evolution. That's backwards of science.
@lesliekwan80 This is not true in my case although it may be in some cases. I have found the reverse to be true as well. People blindly accept evolution because they are taught that it is science and a proven fact. When you disect it you learn only certain aspects of it are and they in fact line up perfectly w/ the Bible. C14 dating is NOT accurate to millions of years. Science knows that species can adapt & evolve but they are still the same species - period. Falsly adding millionsyrs is'nt SCI
@lesliekwan80 I won't speak for all 'Christians' but I will tell you that I believe in science that can be verified - hence the definition of science. Evolution does not fall into this category therefore I don't believe it to be true science but rather conjecture w/out proof. Furthermore it is proposterous and doesn't even attempt to explain how life began. In all my years as an athiest I never subscribed to evolution because it is not objective science.
@lesliekwan80 What Christians believe God did anything by magic? Because you don't understand something does not mean it is magic. You're right that science SHOULD not have a predisposed agenda. For the most part it doesn't, however objective science disproves evolution (on the scale you believe). Since this is a fact then it can be said that evolution (on the scale you believe) is NOT scientifically verifiable thus making it nothing more than conjecture. Scientist that promote it have an agenda
why dont u athiests live like animals if you believe u came from them. why have law, order, justice etc. how can u explain compassion, mercy, love, organisation, all the things real animals lack
Actually we cam, and the reason we do not act like other animals is because we are human; we have more complex brains and more developed functionality.
Also, have you ever seen meerkats? or wolves? or prairie dogs?
They all have organization and and order. They live in a structered society of individuals workinf together.
We are not more evoluted than a worm, you know? we are not biologically better than any other living being. Complexity it's a term that we need to use with caution... did you know that worms have more information in their DNA than Humans do? is that what you call complexity? think about it.
@daftpunkrulerfan1 So do you really believe that humans developed more complex brains and all of the other animals didn't. Why would this make any sense via logic or the theory of evolution? If evolution were true wouldn't it stand to reason that other species would develop more complex brains, thumbs, spoken languages etc.? Why out of all animals would only humans develop more complex brains? What advantage is there to skin instead of body hair? Apes don't need more complex brains to survive.
@talon439 You obviously don't know how evolution works if you're asking questions like "Why out of all animals would only humans develop more complex brains?" or "What advantage is there to skin instead of body hair?". You seem to scrutinize science and reject scientific theory,yet you're completely fine with believing in a mind-reading invisible being, who lives in an invisible extradimensional realm who can grant wishes if you talk to him through your thoughts. And you meet him when you die.
@lesliekwan80 oh man...ok....you got me...so in your estimation...out of all of the thousands of species that live on this earth ONLY HUMANS have highly developed brains...ok...you win....
@talon439 , you are blind if you think humans are the only species to have "complex brains". Why is it that the vast majority of scientists agree evolution occurred (yes, micro/macro .. whatever you want to call it) ... yet, the vast majority of Christians believe it didn't occur? That just shows you that Christians REJECT science. You want to hold onto your initial belief that everything was done by magic, and will never change your position no matter how convincing the EMPIRICAL evidence is.
@lesliekwan80 The vast majority of scientist you speak of is getting smaller by the year. With advances in nano technology, better understanding of previously unknown variables in C14, quantum physics etc. We are seeing that there are gigs of data in the nucleus of a cell. That data was put there thus someone/thing of vastly superior intelligence put it there. It could not have come from something LESS complex. Yes evolution occurs but mutations are due two loss of data not increase...
Why of all the animals? Mainly because we are the first to do so. If you looked around, we are very fragile and weak without our technology and weapons (guns, etc.). However, intelligence can beat brawn. Therefore, we created weapons and tactics to even the odds against such larger, fiercer creature.
@daftpunkrulerfan1 So do you believe that in time other animals will develop thumbs? Wouldn't this be beneficial to them? Also if you believe this, then how does that square with natural selection? Natural selection weeds out weaker species leaving those that are able to survive - it does not provide a means for a species to "develop" beneficial mutations. Research for yourself - don't believe Dawkins because you think he is to smart to be wrong - he's not.
@daftpunkrulerfan1 Since intelligence can obviously beat brawn - wouldn't it make sense that more species developed intelligence? When I say intelligence I mean it in the context you yourself are using it. Would at least one other species have the ability to create and use weoponry? Please don't cite that some apes use sticks or something like that. Name one other species that creates weopons rather than relying only on their physical attributes. Why would this be? Seriously...
Elephants show a remarkable ability to use tools, despite having no hands. Instead, they use their trunk like an arm. Elephants have been observed digging holes to drink water and then ripping bark from a tree, chewing it into the shape of a ball, filling in the hole and covering over it with sand to avoid evaporation. The elephant later went back to this spot for a drink. They also often use branches to swat flies or scratch themselves.
@daftpunkrulerfan1 i agree...i've even seen an elephant paint at the zoo one time...i still don't think that quite compares to the way we humans use tools...or paint...so although i agree they do this...i don't agree that it is anything different than they've been doing for thousands of years as that's how God made them...kinda like humans have been using our God given intelligence for thousands of years (not millions).
I'm sorry, but you're so scientifically inept I can't continue this conversation. Make any response and I'll take you for an illiterate as well. One more question, however: Explain chromosomal fusion, and why that's not evidence for evolution.
@daftpunkrulerfan1 So I'm so scientifically inept that you can't continue this discussion? Then you ask me a question? Make up your mind. If I'm scientifically inept as you say then why so defensive? Maybe you are the one that's scientifically inept. Why don't you explain why chromosomal fusion is evidence for evolution - I would like to hear it because it is not.
@daftpunkrulerfan1 Yes, that is why I asked you to explain why you believe chromosomal fusion is evidence for evolution. There is no impirical scientific evidence whatsoever that CF is proof of macro evolution.
@gorilla199uncensored My God did not do that. Since the theory that CF is due to the division of man from ape is a false hopeful assumption of evolutionist rather than scientific fact I don't need to explain anything. How do you know the 'little rear limbs' are useless? Are they useless like the appendix which science finally found is not useless? I don't claim anything - God does. I simply choose to believe Him as I think He may have a little more knowledge than Darwin, Dawkins or you.
@talon439 Also, with the whole thumbs thing: When early hominids began to move from the trees to the ground, our ancestral thumbs (seen in other primates) began to adapt, causing hands good for swinging and climbing into hands good for grasping. Since we only use two of our four extremities to eat, clean, etc., we needed an adaptation that would make it easier to do what we do.
@daftpunkrulerfan1 Why then is it that using SCIENCE beneficial mutations are so rare that they really can't be found? How could this be if species evolved as you believe? SCIENTIFICALLY we know that species evolve through natural selection which - which does not CREATE or EVOLVE or ADAPT into beneficial mutations. Do you understand this - I'm not being rude I'm serious. If you don't (which is obvious) then you would agree that 'evolution' in the sense you believe is SCIENTIFICALLY proven false.
No beneficial mutations? Almond seeds from wild species contain amygdalin, a bitter chemical that converts into cyanide inside the human body. According to researchers, consuming wild almonds is fatal. A single gene mutation in wild almond trees resulted in a variety that no longer synthesizes amygdalin. When humans discovered this non-bitter almond species, they cultivated them, which is continued till today.
@daftpunkrulerfan1 almonds huh...ok...any other examples? see what you can find then get back to me...oh yeah...btw...how is that beneficial to almonds? i can see how it's beneficial to humans (i like almonds).
@talon439 Adaptation to High and Low Temperatures by E. coli,CCR5-delta 32: HIV Immunity in Humas, Murray Grey Cattle, antibiotic resistance. The list goes on and on
@daftpunkrulerfan1 Ok so you just really don't understand these things do you. E. Coli is still E. Coli is it not? Any examples of E. Coli becoming HIV or changing into another life form etc? Antibiotic resistance is not an example of the virus mutating into another virus. Of course I believe in natural selection AS THAT IS SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIABLE. Again - you have ZERO SCIENTIFIC PROOF for full scale evolution...does this make any sense to you yet?
@talon439 E. Coli can't become HIV; that's a virus. Antibiotics effect BACTERIA, not viruses, and look at humans: our ancestry is verified by a couple dozen ancestors. Besides, you asked for beneficial mutations and I provided. By the way, chromosomal fusion is evident in our second chromosome. Chimps have 48 chromotids; we have 46. We lack a pair of chromotids. About 2 million years ago our chromosomes fused with that of a chimps (still present in our genome). The telomeres are identical
@daftpunkrulerfan1 Exactly...and a dog can't become a cat. Just like a fish can't become a land animal etc. etc. hence the reason I don't believe evolution to be true. Seed begets seed - science proves this to be true.
@talon439 you do realize a dog is a dog because we named it a dog, we could name the next living thing a dog gives birth to something else is we wanted to.
@SICKM0F0 evolution has been proven,so u cant argue it,unless u also dont believe in gravity,which i would be surprised,i cant even believe one brain can acctually fit that much stupidity in it...it sad that people like you exist
@mantellanicky Yup, you would love population control wouldnt you. Kill kill kill is all your fellow men implemented, Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc. I take it you also believe Black people are inferior. Thats what Darwin and evolution suggests, not as "developed" as whites lol. You know what, ppl without compassion,mercy and love like you are the ones who shud be thrown on an island and bombed fuck out of. Youl deserve everything after u die. Enjoy this paradise of urs
Darwin and the Science of Evolution do not suggest one man is more inferior than another. Rather, we all evolved, we are all related, and are therefore all equal. Just because Mao and Stalin restricted religion and killed people doesn't mean evolution promotes that. That logic is flawed. (notice I didn't mention Hitler as he claimed to be catholic). Regardless of Ideologies, people on both sides commit awful acts. Just as you have by suggesting we bomb "mantellanicky"
@SICKM0F0 Population Control can be implemented by educating the populace, teaching safe sex, Etc. If population gets out of hand food, water and other resources will become scarce and there will be massive deaths because of the lack of basic human needs.
I hope you don't claim to be a christian as you have said some rather vile things that do not reflect the peaceful nature that christianity is supposed to be about.
@mantellanicky lol - what do gravity and evolution have to do with each other? If I don't suscribe to evolution then I must not believe in gravity? Is this what you are saying? I recommend before calling someone stupid you have a little knowledge of what you are talking about - otherwise you just look like a defensive fool that can't defend his position. Then again - if the shoe fits - wear it. BTW this is not an insult but I think it's sad people voluntarily live in utter darkness (spritually).
@talon439 it means that evolution and gravity have the same amount of evidence,people just choose not to open there eyes when it comes to evolution because it contradicts there beliefs
acctually,evolutionist doesnt promote that,the bible does,it says that women are inferior to men,and that gay people are horrible,so your acctualy just saying things that your religion promotes,assuming that your religious,evolution just says animals evolved from each other,which is a fact,no matter what your say,it is true that you are 96 percent chimp,whether you like it or not...you simply an idiot,an extremely stupid person with a brain coppassity of about one tenth of normal people.
@mantellanicky <no matter what your say,it is true that you are 96 percent chimp,whether you like it or not...you simply an idiot,an extremely stupid person with a brain coppassity of about one tenth of normal people. > LOL...very sad...I think you may be "96 percent chimp"...I think your brain "coppassity" is very limited as is that of many who really believe in evolution.
@p3clark1 If you believe that is what love is then I say you are dumb. Yes chemical reactions are involved in physical and emotional stimuli - however - this hardly encompasses or explains love. Uggghhh some ppl...lol just kidding.
@p3clark1 Sorry for calling you dumb...that was wrong of me. What I meant was - although what you say most definitely has truth to it - to believe that is all love is means that you must be spiritually dead. When one is spiritually dead that really has nothing to do with intelligence. It has more to do with denial. Your intellect knows your spirit exists howe
The Theory of Gravity vs Intelligent Falling.
Discuss.
GluttonForSex 4 months ago 2
@GluttonForSex Intelligent Falling is just stupid.
We all know there's a giant dragon who lives under the ground and sucks things toward the Earth with his breath.
Also he's invisible, so you can't prove that he's not there. Therefore, he is.
Me-1 You-0
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@GluttonForSex
See, here's the thing. Micro-gravity has been observed and proven. We know that if you drop a pen it falls because of gravity, that's a proven fact
Macro-gravity is a fairy tale that states that this same force actually makes PLANETS ORBIT THE SUN. Clearly it's the Sun God that makes all of this possible, but people just hate him so much that they say that the thing that makes our pens fall is the same thing that makes planets orbit
Hitler believed in macro-gravity
WitchHunter93 1 month ago 2
We say the designer is God.
lazimammoth 5 months ago
@lazimammoth God was created by humans, my friend. Not the other way around.
GluttonForSex 4 months ago 2
@GluttonForSex I have spend almost 20 years studying science and it is science that has led me to God. I have all the proof, but if you don't want them, don't ask.
lazimammoth 4 months ago
@lazimammoth Unintentional comedy at its finest.
GluttonForSex 4 months ago
@lazimammoth he who search to much will eventually find what he wants to find not what is actually there.
sadly i don't remember who said that but i thought it would be proper to quote it here :)
kenji214245 2 months ago
God dun did it..*hick*
kittley1984 7 months ago
Talk about misquoting Dawkins!!!
babypappa 7 months ago
I have yet to see a Monkey turn in to a Human lol
We arent Animals! The Satanist want you to believe that. So they can impose their will.
Concretenjeffro 7 months ago
@Concretenjeffro Evolution doesn't say we evolved from monkeys. Have fun disbelieving something just because you're too much of a dumbfuck to undertsnad it and you would rather stay with your funny little belief that a wizard did it.
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@KarlxMxN "Have fun disbelieving something just because you're too much of a dumbfuck to undertsnad it" EAT YOUR WORDS. Then after that, Eat my dick!
Concretenjeffro 6 months ago
@Concretenjeffro I have yet to see a person appear out of thin air. No God then by your definition, right?
halnum 6 months ago
@halnum Its not my job to prove faith in a creator, its your job to disprove it!
Concretenjeffro 6 months ago
@Concretenjeffro It's not my job to DISPROVE God, it's your job, in fact, to prove him. You have to ask yourself the same questions because otherwise you seem ignorant.
halnum 6 months ago
@halnum faith
Concretenjeffro 6 months ago
@Concretenjeffro What if that doesn't do it for me? Am I unreachable? Do you give up on me? Is it too much that I ask God to do something so simple, yet he refuses to? I am not saying God isn't real, because there is no evidence saying he is not. However, no one has proven God to exist either. So, again, how do you prove to a non believer like myself that God exists?
halnum 6 months ago
@halnum Follow the Prophecy and Agendas of the Satanists that run this planet
Concretenjeffro 6 months ago
@Concretenjeffro Thank you? I don't understand your response, but that's probably because I am a sinner. Well when you reach God, tell me okay?
halnum 6 months ago
@halnum We are all sinners. What meret is self-rightousness? The Prophecy being forfilled today like Revelation 13:15. Our Government Leaders worship Lucifer, in order to worship him, you must have belief in Christ and God yet not worship them.
Concretenjeffro 6 months ago
@Concretenjeffro Actually Satanism began as what we now diversify as Paganism, which had no Christian god and or gods. The Catholic Cruch simply demonized another religion in order to deter people from practicing anything but Christianity.
HoldItFast 3 months ago
Creation vs. evolution? That's like, a mouse without legs vs a tiger.
132Reinier 10 months ago
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themiraclesonearth 11 months ago
The problem with creationists is that ALL THEY DO is believe. They don't KNOW. They don't see proof when even LOOKING AT THE PROOF.
ingarsss 1 year ago
When the universe was perfectly designed for us, that designer guy sucks at designing.
Aanthanur 1 year ago
evolution is proven: endogenous retroviruses. reply to this comment if you agree. please actually know what endogenous retroviruses are before disagreeing if you do.
speedproductions797 1 year ago
@speedproductions797 sadly you can't prove a theory, you can show examples of it, but just like gravity, and indeed every scientific idea, the highest honor it can be awarded is a theory. math PROVES things, science disproves them.
assassinsrock 1 year ago
@assassinsrock Science both proves and dissproves things, when one scientist makes a claim and brings evidence that suports the claims then other scientists will try to break the claim by dissproving the evidence, if that fails then its a scientific theory.
Sweddude 1 year ago
@Sweddude If something is proven, it is not a scientific theory, because if new evidence arises that theory can be disproven, something proven can never be disproven (at least scientifically, philosophy while I'm quite good at it, is rather usless, as it can prove, disprove, support or destroy whatever idea somebody comes up with and is internally inconsistent). This is one of the main reasons why science is MUCH stronger than creationism, our theories can alter, theres are set in biblical stone
assassinsrock 1 year ago
@assassinsrock That i know my friend, i was just making a point that something doesent become a scientific theory unless its suported by hard evidence that hasnt crumbled yet and that its varius experiments are repeatable.
Alltough the theory of evolution isnt exactly my area of expertice and neither is philosophy :P
Sweddude 1 year ago
@assassinsrock '' If something is proven, it is not a scientific theory.'' Wrong.
A Theory expalins how the facts are related. Once it is proven then it is a proven theory. It does not grow up to be a law.
Evolution, the process, is a fact. There is a theory of evolution to show how it happens. The theory does get updated when new evidence is found.
gregrutz 8 months ago
evolution is proven: endogenous retroviruses. reply to this comment if you agree.
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warriorprince1010 1 year ago
I find it amusing when people dont understand the power of random changes and itterated feedback.
N3CR1S 1 year ago
There is a designer, it`s called Natural Selection.
paolo27th 1 year ago
Evolution: explains phylogyny, ontogeny, genetic drift, transitional forms, atavisms, "irreducibly" complex systems, "junk" DNA, etc.
ID: explains nothing. Backed by nothing.
MarshmallowRadiation 1 year ago
The philosophy of Creationi... Intelligent Design proponents is "I don't understand this at all. God... I mean an Intelligent Designer must of done it."
Atriviality 1 year ago 40
@Atriviality I totally agree. God is there only for the people that choose not to study the facts.
ppd8472 1 year ago
@Atriviality isnt that what atheists say? ive heard many say "i dont know, therefor i dont say say god did it". believers in god say "wow, this is so awesomely assembled that someone must have done it".
lowercase18 8 months ago
@lowercase18
Replace "therefor" with "but", and I think you'll be much closer to an atheist position.
Atriviality 8 months ago
Would I want to study at a university, that propagates scientific reason in favor of a guy with a mouse trap. I sure would'nt.
SuperArnie 1 year ago
the variables which drive natural selection and genetic mutation may be part of the external world and have just not been discovered yet
but the evolution of species has already been shown with fossil evidence
chizzy555 1 year ago
We know evolution happens, and we seek to learn about it. Thus its called theory. We know music exists and happens, and we seek to learn about it. Thus music theory. How organisms change over time and how Notes/Chords change over measures.
69Thrasha69 1 year ago 17
@69Thrasha69
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mjsupafly 1 year ago
@69Thrasha69 What an incredibly ignorant thing to say. Music theory doesn't mean music itself is a theory, the theory of music is the notations there-in, not the object of music itself. Music, is not a theory, however, music theory exists at the consequence of people manipulating said music. (ie; you could have a theory about a 'soil', but it doesn't make the soil a theory, it just means you have a soil theory). You point is based an unreasonable, and lazy logic.
lamuziq 1 year ago
@69Thrasha69 it measures evolution. i wanted to compete your sentence. and i concur. Irreducible complexity is a bullshit theory designed by creationists.
FallofDarkness55 10 months ago 2
@69Thrasha69
Wow! what a ridiculous analogy....how ludicrous. Evo's always try to compare evolutionism with gravity...but we can test, demonstrate and repeat gravitational parameters, as well as musical....not so with evolution. Not so at all!
apathy7170 2 months ago
@69Thrasha69 No, a theory is a well observed, well documented, observation for occurrences in nature. A theory explains why things happen a law states why. Therefore a theory can never become a law. Actually a theory is bigger than a law.
FunAssFunProductions 1 month ago
Alright, now your just trollin me. Or you are so incredibly stupid that you actually think that you are the one who is siding with science here. Are you trollin me?
adrasvaiyen 1 year ago
@adrasvaiyen dude 99.85% of earth scientist say it's true, how isn't it on science's side?
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Im not disagreeing with evolution. I'm simply stating that it is NOT A FACT. IT IS A THEORY. This is basic middle school science, dude. Human understanding of science, by nature is ever-changing and adapting as our means of observation expand. I'm just saying that no theory is fireproof, and has the potential to be dumped on its head if new observations are made. That is what a theory is by definition. And by saying it is irrefutable fact, you are making science a religion.
adrasvaiyen 1 year ago
@adrasvaiyen if no theory is fireproof then i guess the earth is not really 100 percent round, and gravity may not be true. the theory of evolution is a fact and always will be one.
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 The earth is not 100% round.
eddiebruv 1 year ago
@eddiebruv but it's not flat, and you'd think a god too make it perfectly round
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Why should he make it perfectly round? Maybe he would consider its current shape to be 'perfect'.
eddiebruv 1 year ago
@eddiebruv you do know how planets are formed, right? gravity.
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Now you're being deliberately obtuse. Look at your previous post and then my reply to it. If you can't follow the thread then go and look at videos of funny cats or something.
eddiebruv 1 year ago
@adrasvaiyen
Evolution is a fact, sorry brother. Evolution is a change in alleles over time, which does happen. Natural Selection is the theory you want to be debating.
Sorry to respond so late, just thought you should know the difference.
Yankyal1 1 year ago
@Yankyal1 Allele frequencies. And I'm pretty sure that 'evolutionary theory' is an acceptable term. Assuming that one knows the difference between functional evolution and theoretical, of course.
adrasvaiyen 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Oh and 89% of statistics are made up on the spot.
adrasvaiyen 1 year ago
@adrasvaiyen 89% of creationist were dropped on their head when they were young
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 99.9% of statistics are made up on the spot.
a4d2d0 1 year ago
@a4d2d0 99.9% of canadians are hockey playing maple suckers
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 100% of what you say holds no relevance.
a4d2d0 1 year ago
@a4d2d0 just because it's not relevant doesn't make it untrue.
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 well, in this case it does.
a4d2d0 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 there goes your credibility
TheGorak104 1 year ago
It's arrogant to think humans are the only "complex" creatures. We are no different from other animals. We might be more intelligent and have bigger brains, but in terms of complexity ... there are many animals just as complex. Christians just like to see humans on a separate plane of complexity above everything else, because that's what they were taught. That we are "special". We are all biological beings with respiratory systems, digestive systems, brains, dna, etc.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
Christians always talk about "proof" when it comes to evolution ... and bring up all these questions ... and scrutinize it and try to find all its flaws to tear it apart. Yet, they completely believe in a man coming back from the dead, a talking bush/donkey/snake, invisible realms, invisible mind-reading beings, water into wine, walking on water, etc ... without even caring for proof at all. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. They nitpick at evolution, but not god.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
Christians all have the same "proof" of God. Just the warm fuzzy feeling they get when they sing songs. The warm fuzzy feeling they get when they see beautiful autumn leaves. It's always anecdotal ... the same way every other religion represents "proof" of the invisible beings THEY worship. Every person of every faith has proof. I know buddhists who pray, and supposedly receive blessings and luck. There's no more evidence for God/Zeus/Osiris/Thor, than there is for unicorns.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
What's the difference between a creationist and a evolutionist? One believes in God and the other won't.
purpleduke77 1 year ago
WOW great point everything must be designed by a designer, so that designer needs an even greater designer more than reality needs one!
gorilla199uncensored 1 year ago
@gorilla199uncensored This is a seriously flawed stance you are taking and I dont' mean this to be an insult but your view is extremely ignorant. Let me explain, you are on the right track as far as thinking about infinite causes however where you derail is by thinking that God needed a cause.
talon439 1 year ago
@gorilla199uncensored God is the uncaused cause my friend/ He has no beginning and no end. He is the Alpha and the Omega. Your finite reasoning can not comprehend this and I realize that but you need to realize that being God means He is all powerfull, eternal and has zero need for a causal agent - unlike the universe which is created (by Him).
talon439 1 year ago
lawyers talking about science?? ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
TheCrocoduck 1 year ago
@TheCrocoduck Scientist talking about evolution...ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 what is that supposed to mean?
TheCrocoduck 1 year ago
Atheist choose their beliefs according to their desires. Truth is NOT their goal.
MARK1212WHY 1 year ago
@MARK1212WHY 'Fraid not, if you proide a good logical argument or peice of evidence for the existence of ANY god, never mind YOUR god, then i can tell you that, some begrudgingly, they will all convert. Open minds and criticism naturally lead to atheism. I'd be verry happy to have a debate with you. Debates and criticism challenge the way we think, we should always challenge EVERYTHING!
AppleMaster1 1 year ago
@AppleMaster1 God as well as yourself knows that God is not concerned with proving anything. God exists, you know in your soul that He does exist. When you give up your ego and seek Him you will find Him. If you arrogantly try to get God to prove Himself to you - forget it. He desires to know you however you must desire to know Him.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 Your standard of evidence is ridiculous, you would not believe me if I said that I know in my soul that I can sprout wings and fly (regardless of the fact the soul has no good arguments for it). I can't show you, but I just know. YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE ME, you are basing nothing on knowledge, simply emotional conviction and wishful thinking.
AppleMaster1 1 year ago
@AppleMaster1 (Your standard of evidence is ridiculous, you would not believe me...) True, I wouldn't. Also true, I don't expect you to believe me. Only you can prove this to yourself by reading God's word, which does have the power to transform.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 The question is why the FUCK do you believe it, if there is insufficient evidence? By believing in something of which there is no evidence flies in the face of all of man's greatest scientific achievements - it's ridiculous so don't preach about it if you don't expect anyone to believe it. How do you know it's God's word? oh yeah, right , the bible. circular... great, shakespeare has the power to transform, people will do anything for an idea that they like, look at mormonism.
AppleMaster1 1 year ago
@AppleMaster1 I believe it because I had an experience with God. Although I was an athiest and was rejecting God, at the same time I truly did want to know if He existed. After many years of not going to church I finally went to make my mom happy. I dreaded it but did it for her. She had prayed for my many years. The preacher read 1: Cor 1:17-25 and God spoke to me. That experience changed my life. I have no choice but to believe after that. Since then God continues to reveal Himself to me.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 God spoke to you? think about it - it's ridiculous to think it's god that caused this funny feeling inside of you, it is more likely that you suffered a delusion, sorry for sounding like richard dawkins but he's got a good point. throughout history people are duped into putting feelings to false idols - look at mormonism, a blatent racket and forgery, yet if you talk to some of them they will tell you that god told them that it was true, samw with islam, hinduism etc etc. all the same
AppleMaster1 1 year ago
@AppleMaster1 I understand where you're coming from. That's what I would have thought 6 years ago. I used to argue with Christians just like some of you on here. You are right that many people are duped such as mormans, muslims, hindus etc. There is a spiritual realm and if one does not know God one is suseptible to these "voices". In fact u r under these influences. Why do I think I'm right? Because I know I don't have delusions on a daily basis and God talks with me almost every day.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 Great argument, you're saying every other religion is wrong, but yours isn't. Also you talk to most people in a mental asylum and they will tell you that they are not crazy - again, great argument.
You may feel an outside force, but the fact is that it is more likely to be a delusion - and YES the whole point of a delusion is that YOU THINK IT IS TRUE
AppleMaster1 1 year ago
@AppleMaster1 I'm saying ALL religions are wrong - I don't have a religion. Also, I don't feel an outside force - God speaks to my spirit. I certainly understand why you think I am delusional. I won't try to convince you otherwise. You see I consider you delusional because you are under Satan's delusion that God is not real. Having once had your delusion I will tell you that I much prefer mine. In fact I know that I have been set free from the delusion that you have.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 I can only debate with people with an open mind, I can't debate with you. You know you're being irrational, yet you still believe in fucking satan, its so stupid. dont bother replying becuae i cant be arsed anymore
AppleMaster1 1 year ago
@AppleMaster1 I have never had a religion...it is sad though that intelligent people believe evolution (as it is commonly understood) to be a science instead of a religion. Believe what you will...just know at some point you will know the truth - I only pray it is during this life as this is your only chance to decide where you will spend eternity.
talon439 1 year ago
@MARK1212WHY Now I'm not an atheist (I'm agnostic), but what you're saying isn't true. Atheism is not a belief. It is not an assertion. Atheism is a lack of belief. For example: I don't believe in bigfoot. I'm not saying bigfoot (feet, whatever) doesn't/don't exist. I'm just not convinced. Truth certainly IS my goal, but I haven't seen adequate evidence to make me believe.
Leehofooks 1 year ago
@Leehofooks thank you for clearing that up to people, often times people look at atheists as evil people and thats not the case at all.
mmhmmlala 1 year ago
@mmhmmlala I used to not understand it myself, until a little over a year ago, when I realized that I could no longer honestly call myself a Christian. (I still believe in a "God," though I think something like Einstein's view of a Deist or Pantheist kind of entity is most likely.)
It wasn't (and isn't) that I hate Christ, or even that I really had anything against Christianity. I simply can't force myself to believe. It's that simple. I am not anti-Christian. I am simply just not Christian.
Leehofooks 1 year ago
@mmhmmlala So now I understand what it is to be atheist. While certain atheists may reject theism, that doesn't define what atheism is. Atheism, at its core (and by definition), is simply a lack of belief in a supernatural entity.
Leehofooks 1 year ago
@Leehofooks
well not just a supernatural entity, that could be something such as a ghost, which i have no reason not to believe in ive had a few supernatural experiences.
mmhmmlala 1 year ago
@mmhmmlala I suppose that "supernatural entity" is too broad a term, as it describes any number of beings that wouldn't be God. Hmm... I suppose "divine" entity would be better?
Leehofooks 1 year ago
@Leehofooks
alright you can believe in god all you want i dont really give a fuck.
it would be nice to die and be reborn in city in the sky but its just not going to happen
mmhmmlala 1 year ago
@mmhmmlala Wow. What brought that on?
Leehofooks 1 year ago
@Leehofooks I followed your conversation. that was so unaccounted for. and fucked up
jfgp00 1 year ago
@jfgp00 I thought so, too.
Leehofooks 1 year ago
@mmhmmlala You are so decieved by the evil one that you can laugh because you don't even comprehend that fact. And you gave away your hand in two ways by saying you don't give a fuck. The first is that - yes, I know you are in denial (hence you don't give a fuck) and second - I believe you really do give a fuck however because of your delusion you are rejecting God intentionally and subconsciously you realize that...thus the flippant remark. Think about it - seriously. BTW "reborn in the sky"???
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 you being deceived by religion makes me giggle snort, go get a life, do what the fuck you want and have fun.
mmhmmlala 1 year ago
@mmhmmlala Giggle snort all you want - I am praying for your soul. BTW although you may think you do whatever you want - in reality you know that you are responsible for your actions. As a Christ follower, I am set free to truly live. I have no anxiety and no fear. At the same time, I have compassion and love for you as a human soul because I know how valuable you are to God. Not because I am good because I am not - rather because God is good and His Spirit now lives in me.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 harharharharharhar man you do realize the whole point of religion is so that people will try to live an honest life and follow the rules the government put upon us, and above all so that people wont be scared of death. and factually when you die, you just die nothing is going to happen. everything you know and love will be gone. the end :) live a nice life
mmhmmlala 1 year ago
@mmhmmlala Yes it is true that religions have been and are used to control groups and civilizations. I really don't agree with religion of any type - in fact God hates religion. Christ did not condemn sinners while He walked the earth - He did however condemn the religous because they think they are good because they know/follow rules. God is much less concerned with rules than He is in someone knowing Him. When someone connects to the source (GOD) then they are transformed.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 you can think what you want but what really pisses me off is that this porn shop down the road wont open because some religious fucktard is protesting
mmhmmlala 1 year ago
@mmhmmlala LOL!!!!!! That is hillarious!!!!
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 i know man but it sucks, hah he also said he would start filming everyone who walked in there and put it on youtube haha hes a huge douche
mmhmmlala 1 year ago
@mmhmmlala As you admit, the supernatural realm is very real. The problem is those that don't know God for the most part can't see it. One's spirit must be reborn to reconnect with the source of life - God. After this happens your spiritual eyes are opened. It's kind of like a blind person thinking it is dark ouside when it is day time. Very sad, very sad indeed. There is good news though - through Christ your eyes can be opened.
talon439 1 year ago
Christians are stupid. The reject evolution on whatever mumbo jumbo basis they have ... but completely accept "God did it by magic" as an explanation, with no proof whatsoever. It's like the nitpick at science ... and look for missing links and fossils, but don't care to scrutinize their own supernatural beliefs. They only reject evolution because it doesn't follow their initial beliefs. That's being closed-minded. Christians have a predisposed agenda. Science doesn't.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 The funny thing is, a lot of Christian sects have absolutely no problem with evolution. Even the Catholic church, the same church that took centuries to admit Galileo was right, acknowledges the truth in evolution.
MrClickity 1 year ago
@MrClickity Catholocism and Christianity are two completely seperate things. Catholocism is not Biblical and is a religion - Chrisitanity is not a religion. In fact those that hold to evolution are much more similar to those who believe in religion than to Christians.
talon439 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 <Christians are stupid. The reject evolution on whatever mumbo jumbo basis they have ... but completely accept "God did it by magic" as an explanation, with no proof whatsoever.> And you say Christians are stupid? I say you are very ignorant of what it means to be a Christian. You are correct in theory to say that science does not have a predisposed agenda however you are incorrect to assume the scientist that promote evolution fall into this category.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 People who believe evolution happened, believe in it ... not because we don't believe in God, but because it is science. People believe evolution occurred for the same reasons why they believe the earth goes around the sun. Darwin didn't say, "Hmm, I don't believe in God ... so I'll try to look for ways to explain the diversity of species". The vast majority of scientists agree that evolution is a scientific fact because of the mountains of empirical evidence there is supporting it.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 The problem I have with evolution is that scientifically only micro-evolution and natural selection can be verified. Science should be objective and weigh the evidence no matter where it leads. This is why I don't necessarily agree with creationist science and why I don't believe in macro-evolution science because they are both biased. Objective science has no real evidence for macroevo. Scientifically there's no reason to believe evolution caused new species.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 Macroevolution is just microevolution over a long period of time. That's the only distinction. If you agree microevolution occurs, there's no reason for you to NOT believe that macroevolution occurs. This is one major misconception that many Christians have. I just find it pathetic that religious people try so hard to push science away, in a desperate attempt to defend the gods they worship. It's no coincidence that Christians are the ones rejecting science.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 LOL...so sad...do you believe this? If so I can't really even argue with you at this point...your premise is wrong so I can not continue this discussion...what Christians reject science? What science do they reject? Evolution as you describe it is not science, it is make believe.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 Evolution IS science. You reject it as science because that's what you're taught in church. You're taught that everything was done by magic by a magical invisible being.You refuse to acknowledge it as science, and dismiss it as "make believe". That's how you're rejecting science. Practically all scientists believe evolution occurred, and all scientists would agree that evolution IS science. It's nothing supernatural or hocus pocus like religion. If anything is NOT science, it is god.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 As I have stated. I have only been a Christian for the last 5 years of my life. I was an athiest for twice that long. As a critical thinker I am very skeptical. Even when I rejected God I never accepted evolution - it is not objective science period. If you believe it is that's because you have not researched it OR you want to believe it. Objective science does not agree with macro-evolution. A dog can have several breeds but it is still a dog no matter how much time goes by.
talon439 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 People that believe in evolution do so because they think it makes sense and is scientifically verifiable. The opposite is true however - I mean really, you believe the various life forms 'evolved' from a single cell and splintered into the various forms we have today? Really, that is what I call magic. Of course when you add millions of years it becomes easier to believe however it is still not scientifically verifiable. Once we understand C14 dating fully evolution will disappear
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 But why do Christians happen to accept every other scientific theory without any qualms ... but have a huge problem with evolution? It has nothing to do with lack of evidence, or absurdity. It all has to do with evolution going against your initial beliefs. Denying science because it goes against what you already think HAS to be true, so everything else going against it has to be wrong. With that mindset, Christians go and look for holes in evolution. That's backwards of science.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 This is not true in my case although it may be in some cases. I have found the reverse to be true as well. People blindly accept evolution because they are taught that it is science and a proven fact. When you disect it you learn only certain aspects of it are and they in fact line up perfectly w/ the Bible. C14 dating is NOT accurate to millions of years. Science knows that species can adapt & evolve but they are still the same species - period. Falsly adding millionsyrs is'nt SCI
talon439 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 I won't speak for all 'Christians' but I will tell you that I believe in science that can be verified - hence the definition of science. Evolution does not fall into this category therefore I don't believe it to be true science but rather conjecture w/out proof. Furthermore it is proposterous and doesn't even attempt to explain how life began. In all my years as an athiest I never subscribed to evolution because it is not objective science.
talon439 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 What Christians believe God did anything by magic? Because you don't understand something does not mean it is magic. You're right that science SHOULD not have a predisposed agenda. For the most part it doesn't, however objective science disproves evolution (on the scale you believe). Since this is a fact then it can be said that evolution (on the scale you believe) is NOT scientifically verifiable thus making it nothing more than conjecture. Scientist that promote it have an agenda
talon439 1 year ago
why dont u athiests live like animals if you believe u came from them. why have law, order, justice etc. how can u explain compassion, mercy, love, organisation, all the things real animals lack
SICKM0F0 1 year ago
Actually we cam, and the reason we do not act like other animals is because we are human; we have more complex brains and more developed functionality.
Also, have you ever seen meerkats? or wolves? or prairie dogs?
They all have organization and and order. They live in a structered society of individuals workinf together.
Come back with a better argument next time
daftpunkrulerfan1 1 year ago
We are not more evoluted than a worm, you know? we are not biologically better than any other living being. Complexity it's a term that we need to use with caution... did you know that worms have more information in their DNA than Humans do? is that what you call complexity? think about it.
btw i absolutelly agree with you
6u6u7o 1 year ago
@6u6u7o <did you know that worms have more information in their DNA than Humans do?> Wow...ok...I see now why you are a believer in evolution...
talon439 1 year ago
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talon439 1 year ago
@daftpunkrulerfan1 So do you really believe that humans developed more complex brains and all of the other animals didn't. Why would this make any sense via logic or the theory of evolution? If evolution were true wouldn't it stand to reason that other species would develop more complex brains, thumbs, spoken languages etc.? Why out of all animals would only humans develop more complex brains? What advantage is there to skin instead of body hair? Apes don't need more complex brains to survive.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 You obviously don't know how evolution works if you're asking questions like "Why out of all animals would only humans develop more complex brains?" or "What advantage is there to skin instead of body hair?". You seem to scrutinize science and reject scientific theory,yet you're completely fine with believing in a mind-reading invisible being, who lives in an invisible extradimensional realm who can grant wishes if you talk to him through your thoughts. And you meet him when you die.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 oh man...ok....you got me...so in your estimation...out of all of the thousands of species that live on this earth ONLY HUMANS have highly developed brains...ok...you win....
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 , you are blind if you think humans are the only species to have "complex brains". Why is it that the vast majority of scientists agree evolution occurred (yes, micro/macro .. whatever you want to call it) ... yet, the vast majority of Christians believe it didn't occur? That just shows you that Christians REJECT science. You want to hold onto your initial belief that everything was done by magic, and will never change your position no matter how convincing the EMPIRICAL evidence is.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago
@lesliekwan80 The vast majority of scientist you speak of is getting smaller by the year. With advances in nano technology, better understanding of previously unknown variables in C14, quantum physics etc. We are seeing that there are gigs of data in the nucleus of a cell. That data was put there thus someone/thing of vastly superior intelligence put it there. It could not have come from something LESS complex. Yes evolution occurs but mutations are due two loss of data not increase...
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439
Why of all the animals? Mainly because we are the first to do so. If you looked around, we are very fragile and weak without our technology and weapons (guns, etc.). However, intelligence can beat brawn. Therefore, we created weapons and tactics to even the odds against such larger, fiercer creature.
daftpunkrulerfan1 1 year ago
@daftpunkrulerfan1 So do you believe that in time other animals will develop thumbs? Wouldn't this be beneficial to them? Also if you believe this, then how does that square with natural selection? Natural selection weeds out weaker species leaving those that are able to survive - it does not provide a means for a species to "develop" beneficial mutations. Research for yourself - don't believe Dawkins because you think he is to smart to be wrong - he's not.
talon439 1 year ago
@daftpunkrulerfan1 Since intelligence can obviously beat brawn - wouldn't it make sense that more species developed intelligence? When I say intelligence I mean it in the context you yourself are using it. Would at least one other species have the ability to create and use weoponry? Please don't cite that some apes use sticks or something like that. Name one other species that creates weopons rather than relying only on their physical attributes. Why would this be? Seriously...
talon439 1 year ago
Elephants show a remarkable ability to use tools, despite having no hands. Instead, they use their trunk like an arm. Elephants have been observed digging holes to drink water and then ripping bark from a tree, chewing it into the shape of a ball, filling in the hole and covering over it with sand to avoid evaporation. The elephant later went back to this spot for a drink. They also often use branches to swat flies or scratch themselves.
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daftpunkrulerfan1 1 year ago
@daftpunkrulerfan1 i agree...i've even seen an elephant paint at the zoo one time...i still don't think that quite compares to the way we humans use tools...or paint...so although i agree they do this...i don't agree that it is anything different than they've been doing for thousands of years as that's how God made them...kinda like humans have been using our God given intelligence for thousands of years (not millions).
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439
I'm sorry, but you're so scientifically inept I can't continue this conversation. Make any response and I'll take you for an illiterate as well. One more question, however: Explain chromosomal fusion, and why that's not evidence for evolution.
daftpunkrulerfan1 1 year ago
@daftpunkrulerfan1 So I'm so scientifically inept that you can't continue this discussion? Then you ask me a question? Make up your mind. If I'm scientifically inept as you say then why so defensive? Maybe you are the one that's scientifically inept. Why don't you explain why chromosomal fusion is evidence for evolution - I would like to hear it because it is not.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 Do you even know what chromosomal fusion is?
daftpunkrulerfan1 1 year ago
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talon439 1 year ago
@daftpunkrulerfan1 Yes, that is why I asked you to explain why you believe chromosomal fusion is evidence for evolution. There is no impirical scientific evidence whatsoever that CF is proof of macro evolution.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439
"CF is proof of macro evolution. "
So explain why yourgod recyled the other great apoes DNA to create Man in yoru god image?
Why didnt he remove the 2 end markers from the middle of the 2 chromos?
Why does your god give whales little rear limbs? (often completely enclosed in blubber etc) which are totally useless
Why did he make human tail DNA inactive instead of deleting it?
OR the millions of other dumb things you claim your god did?
gorilla199uncensored 1 year ago
@gorilla199uncensored My God did not do that. Since the theory that CF is due to the division of man from ape is a false hopeful assumption of evolutionist rather than scientific fact I don't need to explain anything. How do you know the 'little rear limbs' are useless? Are they useless like the appendix which science finally found is not useless? I don't claim anything - God does. I simply choose to believe Him as I think He may have a little more knowledge than Darwin, Dawkins or you.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 Also, with the whole thumbs thing: When early hominids began to move from the trees to the ground, our ancestral thumbs (seen in other primates) began to adapt, causing hands good for swinging and climbing into hands good for grasping. Since we only use two of our four extremities to eat, clean, etc., we needed an adaptation that would make it easier to do what we do.
daftpunkrulerfan1 1 year ago
@daftpunkrulerfan1 Why then is it that using SCIENCE beneficial mutations are so rare that they really can't be found? How could this be if species evolved as you believe? SCIENTIFICALLY we know that species evolve through natural selection which - which does not CREATE or EVOLVE or ADAPT into beneficial mutations. Do you understand this - I'm not being rude I'm serious. If you don't (which is obvious) then you would agree that 'evolution' in the sense you believe is SCIENTIFICALLY proven false.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439
No beneficial mutations? Almond seeds from wild species contain amygdalin, a bitter chemical that converts into cyanide inside the human body. According to researchers, consuming wild almonds is fatal. A single gene mutation in wild almond trees resulted in a variety that no longer synthesizes amygdalin. When humans discovered this non-bitter almond species, they cultivated them, which is continued till today.
daftpunkrulerfan1 1 year ago
@daftpunkrulerfan1 almonds huh...ok...any other examples? see what you can find then get back to me...oh yeah...btw...how is that beneficial to almonds? i can see how it's beneficial to humans (i like almonds).
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 Adaptation to High and Low Temperatures by E. coli,CCR5-delta 32: HIV Immunity in Humas, Murray Grey Cattle, antibiotic resistance. The list goes on and on
daftpunkrulerfan1 1 year ago
@daftpunkrulerfan1 Ok so you just really don't understand these things do you. E. Coli is still E. Coli is it not? Any examples of E. Coli becoming HIV or changing into another life form etc? Antibiotic resistance is not an example of the virus mutating into another virus. Of course I believe in natural selection AS THAT IS SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIABLE. Again - you have ZERO SCIENTIFIC PROOF for full scale evolution...does this make any sense to you yet?
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 E. Coli can't become HIV; that's a virus. Antibiotics effect BACTERIA, not viruses, and look at humans: our ancestry is verified by a couple dozen ancestors. Besides, you asked for beneficial mutations and I provided. By the way, chromosomal fusion is evident in our second chromosome. Chimps have 48 chromotids; we have 46. We lack a pair of chromotids. About 2 million years ago our chromosomes fused with that of a chimps (still present in our genome). The telomeres are identical
daftpunkrulerfan1 1 year ago
@daftpunkrulerfan1 Exactly...and a dog can't become a cat. Just like a fish can't become a land animal etc. etc. hence the reason I don't believe evolution to be true. Seed begets seed - science proves this to be true.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 you do realize a dog is a dog because we named it a dog, we could name the next living thing a dog gives birth to something else is we wanted to.
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
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talon439 1 year ago
@SICKM0F0 evolution has been proven,so u cant argue it,unless u also dont believe in gravity,which i would be surprised,i cant even believe one brain can acctually fit that much stupidity in it...it sad that people like you exist
mantellanicky 1 year ago
@mantellanicky Yup, you would love population control wouldnt you. Kill kill kill is all your fellow men implemented, Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc. I take it you also believe Black people are inferior. Thats what Darwin and evolution suggests, not as "developed" as whites lol. You know what, ppl without compassion,mercy and love like you are the ones who shud be thrown on an island and bombed fuck out of. Youl deserve everything after u die. Enjoy this paradise of urs
SICKM0F0 1 year ago
@SICKM0F0
Darwin and the Science of Evolution do not suggest one man is more inferior than another. Rather, we all evolved, we are all related, and are therefore all equal. Just because Mao and Stalin restricted religion and killed people doesn't mean evolution promotes that. That logic is flawed. (notice I didn't mention Hitler as he claimed to be catholic). Regardless of Ideologies, people on both sides commit awful acts. Just as you have by suggesting we bomb "mantellanicky"
Theudas001 1 year ago
@SICKM0F0 Population Control can be implemented by educating the populace, teaching safe sex, Etc. If population gets out of hand food, water and other resources will become scarce and there will be massive deaths because of the lack of basic human needs.
I hope you don't claim to be a christian as you have said some rather vile things that do not reflect the peaceful nature that christianity is supposed to be about.
Theudas001 1 year ago
@mantellanicky lol - what do gravity and evolution have to do with each other? If I don't suscribe to evolution then I must not believe in gravity? Is this what you are saying? I recommend before calling someone stupid you have a little knowledge of what you are talking about - otherwise you just look like a defensive fool that can't defend his position. Then again - if the shoe fits - wear it. BTW this is not an insult but I think it's sad people voluntarily live in utter darkness (spritually).
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 it means that evolution and gravity have the same amount of evidence,people just choose not to open there eyes when it comes to evolution because it contradicts there beliefs
mantellanicky 10 months ago
acctually,evolutionist doesnt promote that,the bible does,it says that women are inferior to men,and that gay people are horrible,so your acctualy just saying things that your religion promotes,assuming that your religious,evolution just says animals evolved from each other,which is a fact,no matter what your say,it is true that you are 96 percent chimp,whether you like it or not...you simply an idiot,an extremely stupid person with a brain coppassity of about one tenth of normal people.
mantellanicky 1 year ago
@mantellanicky <no matter what your say,it is true that you are 96 percent chimp,whether you like it or not...you simply an idiot,an extremely stupid person with a brain coppassity of about one tenth of normal people. > LOL...very sad...I think you may be "96 percent chimp"...I think your brain "coppassity" is very limited as is that of many who really believe in evolution.
talon439 1 year ago
u are dumb. love is chemical reactions in your head that is labeled with a different name. ugghh some ppl...
p3clark1 1 year ago
@p3clark1 If you believe that is what love is then I say you are dumb. Yes chemical reactions are involved in physical and emotional stimuli - however - this hardly encompasses or explains love. Uggghhh some ppl...lol just kidding.
talon439 1 year ago
@talon439 How am i dumb for using facts and known things. Im sorry you hate to know the truth. =/
p3clark1 1 year ago
@p3clark1 Sorry for calling you dumb...that was wrong of me. What I meant was - although what you say most definitely has truth to it - to believe that is all love is means that you must be spiritually dead. When one is spiritually dead that really has nothing to do with intelligence. It has more to do with denial. Your intellect knows your spirit exists howe