Immigration minister pied in Manchester

[veraangry]

As you experienced nothing of the adult world, during your short stay in England, and are too young to have seen at first hand the racial situation in this country, during the decade/s relevant to your parents. I shall again endeavour to educate you. During the first wave of immigration, in the 50s, and through the following two, ethnic immigrants were looked down upon by the indigenous white of Britain, and interracial marriages/relationships were taboo, racism was rife in dear old blighty.

[veraangry]

The program you would search for, if you are interested is, Despatches, Immigration, the inconvenient truth. if, as I suspect, you wish to remain conveniently ignorant of the true facts, then waste not your time.

Given your last post seemed to be of a personal nature, It is only fair that I reciprocate.

[veraangry]

As you profess to posses Intellect, allow me to add some small titbits to your huge capacity for knowledge.

Immigration in Britain, Its effects on communities, lack of integration, Inter racial intolerance between ethnic communities, Different groups their contributions or cost to Britain. As half Pakistani, you may find the outcome interesting, your white genes should fear no embarrassment as parts of this documentary are lead by an ethnic.....

[veraangry]

I have a vague recollection of you mentioning your father being a doctor, and you also, This you may believe impresses the posters of youtube, As an avid, dependent user of this site, even you may have realised it is a great leveller,so your profession is insignificant on here, you may be something to the lowly of your industry, but you are nothing on here.

Mine is a respectable profession I was born for, not into, the probable route you took to your doctorate, to achieve personal status only.

[gaelicscots]

left wing loony scum

[partridgehead]

Allowing people from all over the world to wander around your healthcare facilities only results in MRSA, as we have found. Not to mention the return of long-forgotten diseases such as Tuberculosis, Diptheria etc etc. The UK spends more money pro-rata on foreign aid than any other country on Earth, we do enough already in my opinion, particulary whilst other contries are planning missions to Mars etc.

[partridgehead]

Far easier, I should say, when our self-serving, traitorous, vote-grabbing government welcomes them to Britain with free houses, free money, and free healthcare etc etc ETC. Not only should we cap immigration, in my opinion, and for the survival of our nation, we should put an end to it full stop and begin forced repatriation.

[DiverCivils]

Forced repatriation?

I hope you don't mean All immigrants?

That would destroy this countries economy as well as services like medical care.

A Population cap and selective immigration along with Deportation of all illegal immigrants is a must however.

Only those with desperately needed skillsets should be allowed entry. all to have private medical insurance for the first 5 years, and unable to claim benefits for the first 5 years. private not social housing.

Benefit limits for the first 10 years

[partridgehead]

No i didnt mean all immigrants, it should start with illegals and then move on to those who have committed crime, are living on the dole etc. it would have to be a points syetm, if you are a good contributor who abides by the laws of the land then you can stay. That would rule out at least half I estimate.

[partridgehead]

The government has worked us into a position that has displaced the lower end of the workforce; the Brits who wouldve been doing low-paid jobs 10 yrs ago are now living on benefits. If the immigrants go and the benefits are stopped, rest assured we would again have a British workforce. There is also an argument that services such as medical care have been destroyed by immigrants, not just overwhelming numbers of foreign patients but also poorly trained & unhygienic workers.

[partridgehead]

Very few Canadians, Americans, Aussies or Kiwis are moving to Britain nowadays. Why is that? Austalia for example is hardly abundent in natural resources yet look at their country, extremely wealthy and modern. These people worked hard to make their country this way, there is an argument that countries such as Pakistan and many others simply do not wish to try to make their countries better. Its far easier for them to move en masse to Britain and do their best to fuck up our country as well.

[partridgehead]

& Regardless of whether they hail from ex-territories or not, we cannot, as a small island, take everyone from the old Empire, and why should we anyway?? Although the less educated people in the world like to exercise their anti-British views, the truth is we made life a lot more civilised, orderly and more enterprising for the people in these territories while we ran them. If they had kept it that way following our departure then they wouldnt be having to move here now for a better life.

[partridgehead]

Like I said, i dont know where you get your figures from, but whichever source it is, you can be sure they have been tainted by political correctness through fear of a backlash from the indigenous popultaion if they knew how severe the situation is. (Even though your figures have come down significantly from your initial 'over 90%' claim) And it is a FACT that most immigrants in the last 10yrs are not from ex-imperial territories) 1'000'000 Poles have moved here in the last 5 yrs or so ALONE

[ONEamWALKAH]

AND also not saying that you are bigoted against immigrants in anyway. I do understand legit concerns for the native British population (such as my mother) and why to much immigration can cause various problems.

[partridgehead]

& to claim Britain 'raped and pillaged its way around the world' and we are reaping the whirlwind as a result is utter shit, the same shit we Brits hear all the time from people like you speaking our language and living in a comfortable & wealthy society that wouldnt exist if it wasnt for our ancestors. The facts are the majority of the current tidal wave (last 10 yrs)of immigrants have no affiliation with Britain at all as they hail from countries that were never part of the Empire.

[ONEamWALKAH]

I am British, like it or not. Plus what i said is true, large amounts of immigrants (at least the non whites) are from past British territories.

Caribbean (Antigua and Barbados, Barbados, Grenada, Saint Kitts and Nevis and Anguilla, Trinidad and Tobago ect).... India, Pakistan, Bangladesh (previously East Pakistan), Various African nations on the African Continent.

If you feel you can show the majority of immigrants in the last ten years were from unaffiliated nations then feel free to do so.

[ONEamWALKAH]

BTW, sorry if i offended you. But what i said was more of a reaction to what i often perceive as racism/or bigotry against all immigrants to the UK.

Growing up in a predominantly white British area my dad has told me stories of him being chased as youth for his color, being called a "paki" and dealing with a heck of a lot of BS back then because he was different and it is hard to shake of those visions.

I do believe in immigration control and such, just not blind bigotry against immigrants.

[partridgehead]

To the bangladeshi/american, you really shouldnt believe government figures, particulary not our governments figures. Britain is certainly not over 90% white, all major cities in Britain are now roughly 50/50, & regardless of colour/race/creed, as many immigrants to the UK are white it is irrelevent to this debate. It is possible to be caucasian but still unable to speak English and be a civilised member of the community. (Turks, Ex-soviet satellite state nationals, Eastern-Europeans etc)

[ONEamWALKAH]

Manchester. 71 percent white British.

London. 59.79 percent white British.

Birmingham. 67.8 percent white. (632,200 white British. 26,200 white irish, 20,700 other white)

Liverpool. estimated 92.3 percent white.

BTW, nothing is American about me. I am not even a US citizen. My mother is a 53 year old fully blooded Brit, both her parents who served in WW2 were born in Britain, as were theirs ect.

[paulo9991]

rofl

[kelly6739]

labour has fucked this country good and proper with there open door policy and got paid good money for it.

[bnprenaissance]

Marxist scum.This is proof they do not believe in liberty or freedom.They attack anyone that even mentions immigration.

[veraangry]

ONEamWALKAH ...allegiance is to that country, which your pass port may indicate, or is it to Bangladesh?.. or the next country you will call home?.. You certainly do not have any loyalty to England, but then you and your father were no there long, though that is understandable, it is irritating when you wave your "borne in Britain" credentials, which is not enough to qualify you to give your distant opinion. certainly as it is based on a heritage of self service that is evident in your family

[ONEamWALKAH]

Explain what you mean by "allegiance" if you want a decent answer. I can tell you it certainly is not to Bangladesh by definition though as i have never even been there.

I must ask, are you older than 47?... If not then my father spent more time living in England, from an infant to a man than you have been on this earth.

I hope it irritates you, and i also hope you learn the correct spelling of "BORN", before you criticize another on speaking ability that is.

Good day.

[veraangry]

I have adult tasks to attend to, so will deal with you later, if your not in kindergarten, in the mean time, as you have your dictionary to hand, look up the word "integration", regarding your alleged British birth, Bangladeshi heritage and no apparent allegiance to your home country. Integration was something some groups of immigrants choose not to do now and did not over forty years ago,(from first hand experience), perhaps that answers your childish "My dad was here first". prattle!.

[ONEamWALKAH]

You're resulting to insults and avoidance of legit questions, and now the classic "adult tasks to attend to" line are a great show of character.

BTW, my father married a white woman and so did ALL of his brothers. I am a proud Biracial man, you could not integrate much more than that.

You fail again. Go tend to your "adult tasks".. aka the same shit everyone else does each day.

Have a good one sir!..

[ONEamWALKAH]

BTW, i do not believe you could "deal with" yours truly intellectually nor physically. But maybe i am just putting my horses before the carriage again!

You're likely a person who needs the internet to complain on but does nothing outside of it to change that which you complain of, you sir are the true meaning of a "keyboard patriot".

Take care.

[ONEamWALKAH]

Referring*

Give me a break i have not slept tonight, lol.

[veraangry]

ONEamWALKAH go to bed..goodnight!.

[veraangry]

ONEamWALKAH or whoever, "You are mad people of other colors are coming into the UK, from former BRITISH COLONIES. Tough shit, blame your ancestors who went and raped those lands or blame your politicians.

Why would you blame people tryna live better"

This is another reason Brits are sick of immigrants..like you they can not speak English so translators are provided by the tax payer, who tend not to be immigrants.

[ONEamWALKAH]

I speak no other language but English and neither does my father, i suppose you are suffering to "tryna" which is hardly a good point on which to judge my speaking abilities.

I was born in Southend on Sea, and my mother was born and raised there also.

Like i said, my immigrant father and his father were/are more successful than you probably ever will be and they came from much much less than you. I wish you success either way.

[tomstickland]

I think it's great that Phil Woolas has a least spoken about this topic. Having an immigration policy is not raciist. Pieing someone is pretty stupid, though it can be funny. Much better to have an open debate.

[ONEamWALKAH]

I find it comical that people are mad immigrants are coming to Britain. You understand that the British came to there lands first?.... The British Empire would never have been the British Empire without taking over the people you now want to exile.

[veraangry]

ONEamWALKAH The British Empire would never have been the British Empire without taking over the people you now want to exile. Quite right, but the question you should ask is; Why did the indigenous of these lands not fight to protect them?, after all England was a very small Island with a relative population of which a very small proportion would have made up the invading forces,. Reason?...see my next post

[veraangry]

ONEamWALKAH..Reason..Could it be the same reason most asylum seekers left their homeland?. Too greater portion of these so called asylum seekers are fit young men, who claim to be running away from danger.. Why not stop and fight for their country/rights?, how many women,children, vulnerable did they leave behind to face tormentors?. You see their "excuse" does not stand up, untruth? or cowards?. The empire enriched the "powerful" of these lands, They sold their countries! for their own gain.

[ONEamWALKAH]

You are babbling about nothing?... The amount of Asylum seekers in the UK is TINY when you are talking about immigrants.

"There were 5,040 initial decisions in the second quarter of 2008, 15 per cent lower than the second quarter of 2007. Of these,

20 per cent were granted asylum, 11 per cent granted either humanitarian protection or discretionary leave and 69 per cent refused."

20 percent of 5,000 asylum seekers were granted asylum. That is 2000 people in a country of 50+ million, LOL.

[veraangry]

You obviously want to continue.. I should have spoken in past tense, as I was referring to Asylum over the last 10/15 years, however most of those asylum seekers are still here enjoying retirement, usually because they make themselves unenployable due to not speaking English...it works well for them.

As for your father, like the Empire, did he use England to further his own needs, a stepping stone to enrichment?, given his relatively short stay?....

[ONEamWALKAH]

Short stay?.. LOL. He is 55 and came to the UK as a baby, so he was raised and lived there about 47 years. Then when i was 10 we moved to the US, 8 years ago. His accent and customs are as British as roast beef.

At this very moment he is back in the UK to see my elderly grand mother and the family back home (UK). Her partner is a 85 year old Scottish WW2 vet, who we call uncle Harry. I cant speak on my dads dad as he was dead before i was born, so Uncle Harry is my surrogate Granddad of sorts.

[veraangry]

Not too tired to scour the net and paste your finds eh?. As for Asylum, there is now a down turn, the British government, though they would not openly admit it, realise England has an immigration problem which has lead to the 50+ million you pasted. I know you are a child but intend to treat you as an adult and request you do not add that infantile "LOL" nonsense, try and keep your debate mature. As you now live in the U.S., and have done so most of your life, then one would assume your..

[ONEamWALKAH]

England is over 90 percent white, 2.7 percent black and 5.3 percent South Asian. The way some people go on you would think England hardly had any whites left.

Plus a large percentage of the minorities are British born anyways, and are not immigrants. So i am honestly not sure what your beef with immigrants is, but it seems you are just another one falling into the age old argument of blame the foreigners for all your troubles.

[veraangry]

ONEamWALKAH ."England is over 90 percent white, 2.7 percent black and 5.3 percent South Asian"

It would be a losers choice to wave the racist card, as I could not care less if England was full of purple people.. Our concern, that is the British, yes a great many from your fathers waive of immigrants ( they are the biggest complainers of over open immigration rules, did you not find that on your internet trawls for info?) is over population on a very small Isle...

[ONEamWALKAH]

So what is it you do with your "concern" other than spout falsehoods on the internet?.. Please enlighten me.

BTW, if you read my post again i said nothing to insinuate YOU were a racist.

[veraangry]

.... certainly with the downward economic spiral, which will nullify your "imagined" financial gain for Britain, it will not because it does not exist...." but it seems you are just another one falling into the age old argument of blame the foreigners for all your troubles.", interesting given the group most against immigration is the immigrants from the 50/60/70s yes! did you not find that on your net trawls?..look for this little gem of info..

[ONEamWALKAH]

I was not speaking of others, but you.

[ONEamWALKAH]

You state your opinion as fact.

Provide some statistics or some sort of proof that the "the group most against immigration is the immigrants from the 50/60/70's yes".

[veraangry]

... your net trawls may also give you this info..Official statistics show that Pakistanis are more likely to be living off the state than any other group in England, you know..they do not contribute to that massive figure you conjured up!!. You know nothing of this country and probably not much more about America, but that is your host country's problem for letting you in!..for that England should be thankful, as this tiny Isle could not offer you the space to accommodate your mouth.

[ONEamWALKAH]

Should that surprise me?... For one what does Pakistanis have to do with me.

Secondly the population of Pakistanis in England is "861,000".... LESS than one million.

The white population is well over 40 million.

So it is not very hard for a group that small to achieve such a feat is it?... I know logic is void with you, and i understand this my friend.

Once again i ask you, but would put it in simpler terms for a simpleton. You are younger than 47, yes?.. If so, hush up.

[ONEamWALKAH]

"as this tiny Isle could not offer you the space to accommodate your mouth"

"Mouth"?...

I am lucky enough to have two hands, must be hard for you having to use your mouth to type though, eh?..

I would think such a true loyal Briton like you would be doing so much for your cause, i must have missed where you answered or did you just avoid the question since your a "keyboard patriot"...

So what is it YOU DO with your "concern" outside of the INTERNET, you know the real world?.. Nothing huh?

[mariaLOTR]

racist!

[polarsequence]

Agree! Enough mollycoddling these parasites, keep Britain BRITISH!

[ONEamWALKAH]

Parasite is something that leeches and benefits off its host.

Last i heard immigrants in the UK brought in a 2 BILLION dollar surplus?..

[polarsequence]

Good, let them all come and live in your street then, build fucking great big mosques and rob your house.

[ONEamWALKAH]

My mother is a white British lady. My father was a immigrant from Bangladesh and came with his entire family. His father became a banker, and my father became a banker and this was way back around the 60's when they came.

Now i am an immigrant living in the US with my family, stop painting everyone with the same brush.

[ONEamWALKAH]

BTW i am an immigrant in the US, the son of a successful immigrant, living next to a Yugoslavian immigrant and i have Chinese immigrants who live in the house in front of mine also.

Since when did all immigrants build mosques and rob houses. SMH at this ignorance.

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You are mad people of other colors are coming into the UK, from former BRITISH COLONIES. Tough shit, blame your ancestors who went and raped those lands or blame your politicians.

Why would you blame people tryna live better.

[veraangry]

ONEamWALKAH 2 Billion DOLLAR surplus... who told you that?, obviously some figure twister!. Immigrants in this country enjoy FREE medical treatment, housing, a very generous benefit system for those that do not work..which is a very large portion of them, translation services, schools and FREE SPEECH, though you would not know any of this as you don't live/come from Britain...4kin DOLLARS you prick!.

[ONEamWALKAH]

Yes i do come from Britain. I was born there, as was my mother and as was her parents. It is interesting you would say i cannot speak properly, yet seem to have trouble reading and comprehending what it is wrote. I clearly said my father was a immigrant to the UK in the 60's, and then i said i am an immigrant in the US. I am an immigrant because i am a British citizen who moved to the US at 10 years old from the UK.

You made a mistake as i did, guess we are just human eh?..

[HouseOldSkoolRaver]

Immigrants out! Train British workers in every field.